Arauna

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

I had read of ill-goings-on in the first-century record. Congregations described in Revelation chapters 2 and 3 were veritable basket cases, some of

Excellently explained my dear!

16 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Any policy that is unloving cannot be true. (Mt

That is the fallacy. A philosophical way to justify anything. .... 

New policies accepted by most religions is LGBTQ. They say it is 'unloving' to not include the sexually deviant.practices .... and soon the sexual love of children will also be approved.....by government policy...... because all must be 'inclusive and "loving".' This is the basis of the new LOVE..... all inclusive.... LOVE.   Love for God and his standards will become UN loving and unlawful.. 

Whose side will you be on when this becomes accepted policy? 

41 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

You and her seem of the same opinions. B

Your actions give us the same opinion.  Why is ALL  your hate directed in only one direction?   Hate is not a godly quality if you were a true follower of christ.  Even people from other religions are not as set in their hate as you are..... this demonstates an attitude which Jesus does not approve of.  It is not a righteous attitude because your accusations would.......

47 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

doom and gloom magazines with

be more logical and not so wildly unreasonable.   See above? I guess you have not seen all the wonderful pictures of the future paradise. 

I think I will cut off this conversation. I have no time to spend with you. You are destructive and the worst kind of leaven. You hang out here because you need some form of revenge....  I do nog plan to be your next victim. 

2 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

sparkle with the truth from Arauna,,guess this is your witnessing territory ,for rebuffing the

No, I witness to many on internet. I prefer an atmosphere of kindness and love.  Here on the forum I just practice my thinking skills - which is hard because those who hate us are NOT prone to logical thinking but full of empty accusations.. I try to avoid those who have hate-OCD but now and then I do manage to get myself embroiled. 

Silly, by now I should have learnt my lesson! 

31 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

agree with Yeshua, because the GB do not follow His instruction. The GB baptise people into the JW Org. 

I see you use only the name yeshua...... but what about being baptised in the name of jehovah? Jesus and the holy spirit?  

We do baptize in these three. Do you teach Jehovah's name everywhere you go ? Or just teach yeshua?  It seems you are the one teaching deviation. 

25 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

PC you are proving here that you worship and serve the GB of JW org.

Jumping to quick conclusions.... respect is NOT worship!   The brother mentioned the word R-E-S-P-E-C-T! 

25 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

they are handing out GB 'words' in written form. 

I guess you have missed all the scriptures that are quoted in the brochures.  It is not GB words but they quote jehovah as the authority - the only one worthy of worship

Not all JWs are good at writing. ... so it would not be wrong to assist them to spread the good news of jehovah and his name by providing tools.  But you see a sin before it is there! Titus 1: 15 " All things are clean to clean people; but to those who are defiled and faithless, nothing is clean, for both their minds and their consciences are defiled.  "

You are acting once again without love. When brothers help brothers by providing tools for them, you see it as a sly way of control.  Take note of the above principle in the quoted  scripture! 

25 minutes ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

unity in serving God properly they would all be able to speak their own opinion and it would all be in agreement. But

People's opinions are usually in agreement. Our core teachings are irrefutable but people who act like you, not from love but hate, are like leaven..  There are teachings which are not important .I.e when did dinosaurs exist, etc. These are not important opinions to have and create dissent for.  You try to create dissent from the smallest to the largest question.  That is why you say what you do.... your own opinion is more important than the coherence of scriptures in the bible.

Brothers act in agreement when they see how coherent the basic teachings of the bible are. They show respect and loyalty to those who also show respect and loyalty to jehovah.... we are a worshipping community of jehovah!

9 hours ago, Thinking said:

cruelty unscriptural and ended in some one’s death…and blood guilt….

Only Jehovah can  sort this out. Jehovah knows if there was true repentance...... like in the case of David.... he was allowed to live after causing the death of a person. .... and taking his wife. 

Unfortunately, good people can succumb to bad things and other righteous people suffer the consequences. This calls for tremendous self-control, restraint, forgiveness and a  keeping of focus on  serving Jehovah to the best of our ability. People are people (jws are just people)  and we trust that most of them stick to their faith ..... but sometimes they disappoint the community/ and congregation.

10 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If I was on a boat drifting toward the falls which I did not expect to survive, I would not be using all my energy hollering to those on shore how they are doing everything wrong.

Exactly! What a waste of a precious life! All that time and energy spent on negative activities!  Non-life non-love activities.

11 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

two investigations both have found pedophilia in the UK JW org. The Charity Commision and the IICSA. Online proof is available......... 

In America there have been many law suits / court cases about Pedophiles in the

No one has denied that it has happened in the JWOrg. It happens in the entire world where people work with children...... and it seems that it will soon be accepted as normal behaviour in  wider society due to the fact that they are now teaching porneia to children as young as five in schools all over the world- part of the curriculi. . Even people who have been fighting against pedophilia have been hiding their own pedophilia behind a so-called hate for it.

But -  you try to make out that it is one in every ten JWs instead of one in every 100 thousand which sucumbs to pedophilia. You also try to create the impression that it is acceptable to us. We do NOT teach it and neither do we accept it.   This is what I object to-  that you try to criminalise every single JW. This is not logical reasoning but an overwhelming unreasoning hate-OCD. 

10 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Dedicating your life to an organisation,

After a person is dedicated to Jehovah it is this world- wide organization which helps them to maintain a lifetime of service, teaching new languages and providing study materials, meetings etc. In far off countries where there is not much money. Other churches do not go where there is no money........It amazes me how myopic ex-witnesses become. No- one is dedicated to an organization..... it is the excitement of fulfilling a life-long preaching assignment and finishing the race for life by a dedicated life to Jehovah. The organization is merely the tool. 

17 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

But what does all this have to do with "anointing with the spirit"?

You are the one who were casting disparaging remarks on the GB and their anointing which cannot be proven....... so do not turn around and be a cameleon. 

36 minutes ago, Thinking said:

of us survivors in my neck

Believe me, I do not think there is not a person who has not had their feeling or ego hurt in the course if time.  But we are all stronger after it. We are all very imperfect after all. 

On 4/14/2022 at 9:08 AM, Arauna said:

Prove the 15 percent and show the other 95% that you deem unfit to contemplate.

Now that is SA humor!

16 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

sounds very much like an admittence that Anointed ones have been disfellowshiped.

In the bible itself anointed ones were disfellowshipped. They showed repentance and came back - for example - the man who slept with his own mother.  He later was accepted back

14 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Thousands of pedophiles earthwide in the JW Org

You have no proof of that number - it is merely an accusation. since 1957 until the Australian commission there were slightly more than ONE thousand names...... cases where there were accusations made. So yes, there may be more but not to the extend you are wildly accusing of.... in your mind every JW is a criminal ready to commit a ' porneia' act.

Also, in your accusative frame of mind you try to pretend that porneia is accepted as part of JW teachings - which is a blatant lie!  

Who is the fibber here ?   Does your false accusations make you righteous before god? Does your false teachings make you more righteous with god?  or are you just a hateful person taking out your gall on JWs here, with NO hope of eternal life yourself.  Many people choose to become opposers instead of showing repentance. 

14 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I laugh at you Tom. You are so naive ( or dishonest ).

laughing?  You know, my husband says: There is nothing so democratic as the presence of sin in every person. That is why it is so important to be close to god, be humble, and work on yourself every day. 

While I agree, one can be naïve regarding human wickedness - there is nothing as good as being taught by Jehovah and having the fear of Him. This alone keeps one on the straight and narrow and helps one to maintain godly devotion.

Rejecting the only organization which tries to maintain cleanliness (pure worship) according to Jehovah's standards - that is true naivety. You see, while we cannot expect perfection from all brothers ( due to imperfection), we do well to expect them to keep the congregation clean of people who can wreck the faith of others or bring the leaven in. 

14 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

then you are still trapped. 

There are many ways to be trapped - especially when you think you are not trapped! lol

5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If the first claim (who is the anointed one) cannot be proven

According to worldly standards, not.  BUT, most of these people have had a life-long career in serving only Jehovah - only focused on the spiritual things and the things above.  It is very hard to remain a hard working servant of Jehovah, especially if it lasts for about 60 years or more.  There are many disappointments that one has to overcome, going to foreign countries, and then later in life go to Bethal, and then when one has done menial jobs in bethal - then move on to some key functions. 

6 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Please stick to the question I asked and try to deflect the conversation.....dogs are so easily distracted

Another insult - LOL

With regards to the above - I find ex-witnesses love to gloat over any form of negative news or findings regarding JWs.

They are losing sight of this:  Authorities are letting violent criminals out of jail at present because they are not supposed to be 'confined' ; or..... they are from one of the minority groups which cannot ever be deemed criminal or racist but are criminal due to their social conditions or the past racism towards them or... some other made-up philosophy .  All kinds of wickedness is now tolerated as long as the perpetrators profess the new transgender values and the new warped sexual values as acceptable; justice is no longer justice but targeted to achieve the new goals.

In this kind of environment "everything" (meaning every deviation) is acceptable to the majority...except a clean condition before Jehovah.  Do you not think this is by Satan's design in the system he is running?  Do you not think this will become worse and JWs will eventually be persecuted as prophesied?

Yes- JWs are very flawed as people but very few of us have criminal inclinations........... So ask yourself the question.

Whose side are you on?  The good and bad values of Jehovah or your own. Take into consideration that this was the original sin:  Adam rejected the "good and bad" of Jehovah and chose his own values.  In this system you will eventually be forced to except the values of the system.  There are just two sides:  Human government and its values or Jehovah and his values.

7 hours ago, Pudgy said:

My estimation is that they are right 15% of the time

Prove the 15 percent and show the other 95% that you deem unfit to contemplate.

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

showed me something on his computer…and said…the government Have Total control ( over all of us )

Unfortunately that is correct.   All hospitals are only allowed to use ......Rem,di,si,vir........ for babies 7 lbs and more , children and adolescents upto 18 years.....as well..... but they know it causes kidney failure but they do not care!   Only Jehovah can bring judgment on them in his due time!

1 hour ago, Thinking said:

I see Pakistan has fallen…I remember a article written about the country and it’s role seemed to be crucial in all of this??

America tries to surround its enemies with buffer states where they have control of the puppet leaders.  They have done this with color revolutions in south America and eastern Europe. Ukraine is one of them.  They are now working towards the same goal in Asia....  China is heavily invested in Pakistan .... so I do not know their MO but I am sure the leaders will try to leach as much cash out of this country as possible.   When Biden allocated funds for the pandemic - billions were allocated to Pakistan ..... so I am not surprised that the elected officials are out when opposers receive the money.

They allocated funds to their friends and then get some back via other methods.  This is what happened in Ukraine.

1 hour ago, Pudgy said:

people just refer to them as “the 13%”

the world has become wicked and the problem is that most are moving away from god and also from his principles of good and bad.  So it is just going to go into anarchy or persecution. Persecution because you are not falling in line with the new morality of the UN.  They are the ones promoting all the child "porneia" in schools.

When I studied Islam to the extent that I could distinguish a Shia from a Sunni when talking to them, I was astounded to see the U-turn most governments took on the violence inherent in the religion - especially after the term "islamaphobia" was coined. 

It fitted in so well with the extreme far-left agenda of being totally inclusive..... that jihadis are seen as good citizens and religious crimes are covered up -  because the press was no longer allowed to mention their names (UK), race or motivations in press releases. 

I was shocked in 2018 when UN signed agreements with their member countries that press must be "re-trained" if they show any form of islamaphobia. It fits with the new philosophy that only whites can be slave owners and be racistic.

A few years back I watched EU members in their meetings. I was also shocked when I discovered that they openly praised China and spoke of the "Chinese model" for the entire world. .... while fully aware of what China was doing to muslims and Falun gong. 

I warned friends where we were heading and I could see why satan would choose a central, financial government for the final beast ruling over humans because he wants totalitarian control. It will be a federation of digital currencies....  like old USSR under central banks... no other currencies allowed and no independent currencies allowed by law.. 

We are now experiencing a kind of cultural revolution the same as under Mao.... so everything is moving in one direction....... central emergency rule by UN under 10 kings. (Just as prophecied jn Revelation 17. ) all will be obligated to worship the beast and image of the beast or face the retaliation.