Arauna

Excuse me - that is not a statement that is true. I do not want to get into an argument with the two of you. But how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism amongst us? I have not seen anything like that!

Go and read the insight again. You are putting your own interpretation on it. I prophet is only ' inspired' when he predicts the future and it comes true..... We NO longer have those kind of prophets who predict the future. BUT a prophet is not only a person who predicts the future but definitely one who corrects the people when they are straying from Jehovah, teaches the laws of Jehovah, and lays out the truth of the prophecies that were already written by inspired prophets. I am writing this from memory...... but I know all you said above is not in the Insight. Your own interpretations are obviously more important to you than the bible. There are false prophets too. They abound at present.

We did this in last week's study.

I agree, we can all ask for Jehovah's holy spirit and receive it. I do not know what she means by "guidance". I know that the prophets in Israel received more Holy spirit than others so they could finish a specific task Jehovah wanted them to complete. This fits in with the meaning in Jehovah's name. "He causes to become" makes people become what Jehovah needs them to be so they can complete a task he has for them. Or Jehovah worked in them until the task was completed. Take for example Cyrus...... Jehovah anointed him and it is clear from his life that he had some diplomatic skills that were exceptional. But after he, as a pagan Zoroastrian, had completed the task assigned him (unknown to himself) - he went to war again and again to extend his realm and was killed by a WOMAN! it is clear that he did not receive Jehovah's Spirit any longer. Regarding the gifts of the Spirit - these went away after the Apostle John died. The special gifts were given by the Apostles who "laid their hands" on those who had not yet received the Spirit. They then could do the gifts mentioned in 1Cor 14. But 1 Cor 13 clearly show that these gifts would eventually end and LOVE would replace all gifts in the congregation. I studied this very well after I came in the Truth because I ran into an apostolic sect in South Africa who believe they are the true Apostles (inherited the apostleship from the original Apostles who passed this on to the next generation). And they do all these weird falling down when receiving the Spirit etc. they talk in tongues and other "gifts " as well. The secret to understanding this very well is to look to the history in the bible on the "laying on of hands". If I remember correctly it was only the Apostles who could do this or those who received a special Apostleship. ..... (to be sent out). We no longer do the laying on of the hands and when John died these special gifts died with them. Moses could do special signs. Some prophets could do them as well as Jesus and Apostles. Why? These signs helped to establish the new congregation - that was the purpose. Hebrews 2: "For it began to be spoken through our Lord and was verified for us by those who heard him, 4 while God joined in bearing witness with signs and wonders* and various powerful works and with the holy spirit distributed according to his will.

Precisely, how many thousands of years ago........ or are u a lazy blighter - not willing to think about it or read the scriptures,,,, lol

I will answer you with a few questions which you can answer yourself: 1) What is the modern day equivalent of chariots and ships - now don't be facetious. 2) What do they feed these modern day equivalents? 3) will they really have to cross the Atlantic to win a tactical war or a financial war? (Since Putin wants to be the head of Eurasia) 4) How far will Jehovah allow it to go?

My dear, I do not think it is ready to burst. The "one hour " of the image of the beast and 10 kings is almost here. This world government is going to be extremely oppressive according to Rev 13. We are not there yet.... (But this is personal opinion - I can of course be wrong. The reason I think this way is this: Jehovah will prove beyond reasonable doubt that human rulership 666 without his principles will be oppressive and unjust and death will be everywhere - all the qualities that are satanic.... because He will be fully ruling... and people will become even more violent with this new morality being taught to children and teenagers in schools. The young teenagers now living will be uncontrollable when the tsunami of anarchy breaks. DARKNESS will cover the earth - DARKNESS is related to INJUSTICE in Semitic language such as Arabic. Extreme injustice will prevail that is why they will want to eradicate JWs in the end.

You are saying Jehovah is meaningless by calling the rival kings of the Greek period KON and KOS? IN our time the same kings reappear and designated as the king North and south Daniel 11: “In the time of the end the king of the south will engage with him in a pushing,* and against him the king of the north will storm with chariots and horsemen and many ships; and he will enter into the lands and sweep through like a flood. 4 So we just use the words Jehovah in his Word described it as. Sorry if we bore you but it has a lot of meaning for us who go by bible's words and terminologies. And it makes perfect sense because USA is now forcing all the smaller countries to choose sides....... India has not yet because it plans to buy Russian energy at cheap prices....

https://greatgameindia.com/sars-cov-2-t-cells-hiv/ I typed this in and this article came up: Tedros Introduces Globalist Plan to Take Over World’s Health Systems - America Out Loud: https://www.americaoutloud.com/tedros-introduces-globalist-plan-to-take-over-worlds-health-systems/

Then why stay? If you just read our drivel to make yourself feel superior, I can give you a few websites you can visit which will stimulate your superior intellect.

Yes, I believe Satan has control of everything. It is like à tsunami flood - the wickedness. In the great tribulation we all will be tested to keep our Christian personality and faith in Jehovahs promises. Each person is responsible for their own faith. The GB is there to provide us with spiritual food but when the government cuts of electrical power (and blame Russia or some other EMP event ) we may be cut off from meetings and the support we give each other. I agree, the UN plans to give WHO control (UN) and they are busy extending their powers. WHO can then call a world emergency and the whole globe governments will have to obey..... they can call a new pandemic even if there is not one.... in order to control us. They have already started the severe environmental reforms.... banning plastic bags (soon to come) and I think the 2nd lockdown will be worse and kill more people. I SPECULATE that it will be like the 2nd time the Roman's came back to destroy Jerusalem. The UN will act as the entity of destruction..... call out peace and security and turn against religion. ... this is the beginning of the real great tribulation. .... just my thoughts. The entire world is watching Russia while other plans with UN are going ahead. Right until the end the King of North will be pushing. I keep watching the UN (image of the beast) because this is our clue on how far we are down the timeline.....

They even encourage us today to get rid of large mortgages in order to pioneer. Nothing has changed since 1974. If people sold everything and later were sorry it is because they themselves acted irrationally. Today - we are still encouraged to scale material things down as much as possible.... yet each one must decide about their situation.

In the one scripture you quote: in it, it is clear that the Rider on the horse is Jesús who is fighting the kings of the earth. The next scripture you quote is where is indicates that ultimately Jesus IS the ruler of the kings of the earth. Contradictory scriptures. But a for a discerning mind it is not hard to understand. This is proof that you most probably are the most confused person on this forum. You quote any scripture without discrimination of its true meaning. Therefore it is not worth my answering you because I will just be barraged with scriptures which have the same "search word" in it but with different meaning in the context of the sentence. It seems like you take a word - put it in google - and then just start quoting scripture....... AND YOU are angry because you feel you have the right ..... to be a teacher or a female leader of other persons in a spiritual sense? I will not answer the rhetorical question - I just question your judgement.

Seriously, I understand and enjoy many of the prophecies about the time of the end. I do not think I have more insight than any one else. All I did was study the history of the beasts and looked into present history. The UN has been identified as the image of the beast since the image appeared. It is not hard to follow the history of the UN and its representatives as well as those countries, corporations, NGOs and mega-rich persons and leaders involved in the plans for the future as set out in UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030. I understand what is coming, . .... I just do not know how far will jehovah allow them to fulfill their plans..... and what unforseen events of opposition may stall them in completing it. They are determined to get to their goals.... they have time and power on their side. Legislation is ongoing all the time which brings them one step closer to their goals

That is exactly what Revelation 19 says -

To argue about insignificant things wastes time. So I have not followed all the comments here about 1975. All I know is, I was baptised in 1973. I studied with a very zealous sister who reasoned with me on the 6 creative days. She said that if the 7th creative day was 6000 years with a millenium rest, it amounts to 7000 years. This would mean that a week of equal days would amount to 49,000 years and after that the eternal Jubilee........ which mirrors the Mosaic Law. She said there were a few problems, we are not absolutely sure of all dates.... and we do not know how long Adam took to give the animals their names. I do not remember the rest. But more or less the 6000 years should more or less end in 1975....... So yes there was a lot of speculation...amongst all the fraternity. .......But u know how some people are: imperfection makes them go overboard; they become dogmatic or make rules out of nothing. Jehovah has to work with very imperfect people....and a good sounding idea (even if not practical) can proliferate. SO, IF JEHOVAH IS PREPARED TO WORK WITH IMPERFECT people, WHY are our detractors so dogmatic about this event in our past, when they themselves are extremely dogmatic about their OWN rules to JUDGE and reject ALL good things for the sake of 1975...... forgetting that they are imperfect themselves. They are stumbling over a stone of their own making. I did not hear elders on stage talk about it but it was discussed a lot in private.

This is not the truth. It is a half-truth.... not spot on. It has always meant a world situation wherein Jesus destroys the earthly worldly powers under control of Satan as depicted in Revelation 19. Of course now we understand much more. ......

Coming from Africa, I can attest to that. We just arrived at a Safari camp when I forgot the kitchen window open. In jumped a monkey and stole the sugar pot. It lay broken outside the window but the two monkeys were sitting right in the sugar and eating it all up like a pair of toddlers. Then they turned around and licked each others butts clean. They sure gave us much to laugh at. Next day a warthog was walking around on his knees on our stoep (veranda) eating some carrots we gave him. They do this in the wild as well ! I think we will have a ball with the animals in the paradise. Yes, Creation shows that god has a sense of humor.

Understand, but now I have corrected him. So he now knows.

This is why I am a witness - because the core principles have remained the same but the slave are NOT so arrogant to think that some of the prophecies and illustrations cannot be looked at again and re-adjusted with the help of Jehovah's Spirit. In other churches they stick to ideas promoted hundreds of years ago - even more than a thousand years and stubbornly refuse to adjust. Here is the general definition of formalism: a follower or advocate of the basing of ethics on the form of the moral law without regard to intention or consequences. When this happens it means that a person may not see it from a new perspective regarding intention or consequences.

UNTRUTH! - Our core teachings have remained the same. It is only interpretation of prophecies and illustrations that have been adjusted.

I guess you do not know your prophecies. There is MORE than enough biblical evidence as well as the reality of the events on the earth. The Great war was the first war that was called a WORLD war and also the weapons with the subsequent world war (WW2) became more destructive and any war ever before - they killed millions more people in a short period of time than ever before in human history.

I have not seen any JWs here quarrel about who the the wild beast is - maybe ex-witnesses. Our literature is pretty clear on who the wild beast is, I did see some comments about the first two heads that is not in line with out teachings but as far as I know there is no dissent about who the beast is.

It was more bookish knowledge.... much history etc. Today they are focussing more on the qualities and lifestyle we need to pass through Armageddon. So you see I do sometimes in a way agree with you.

True, due to cultural differences. For example, many Koreans still study for doctorate degrees while pioneering. It is in the culture for them because they still have the idea of looking after family in old age..... in the back of their minds or psyche.