Arauna

21 minutes ago, Matthew9969 said:

Jesus sends "his" holy spirit?

Apologies.... you know what I meant. Without getting technical - God is the sole source of Holy Spirit and Jesus has been given all authority.  "  That is why I am going away. The Holy Spirit cannot come to help You until I leave. But after I am gone, I will send the Spirit to you. - John 16:5-7

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

Curiously, right up to the last book of the Hebrew Scriptures (OT) the Jews are still being condemned for giving in to idolatry. Yet it was the scribes and Pharisees who deserved credit for freeing the Jews from idolatry from that period forward, so that idolatry was no longer the problem in Jesus' day.

They were responsible for leading the people away from Jehovah by teaching teachings of men - hence making themselves very important

Deliberate reviling had no place among first-century Christians. (1Co 6:9, 10; 1Pe 3:8, 9) One guilty of habitually and intentionally vilifying others was to be expelled from the congregation.—1Co 5:11-13.

5 hours ago, Witness said:

“Revile” in English, can mean a justified scolding in anger,

As seen above - I am interested in the biblical meaning.

8 hours ago, Witness said:

?.... you revile all the time!   

1 cor 6: "Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers..........  10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 

.. I have never read a positive contribution from you.... it always tries to create harm!  ... hidden or with open attack! 

20 minutes ago, Witness said:

don't want lord it over anyone

No?.... you revile all the time!   

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

draws its power from the seven is that it sure doesn’t act mighty.

Hi Tom.... The seventh head of the beast (Anglo American) originates the league of nations and the UN.  The UN is now calling the shots behind the scenes.  These mandates and the environmental mandates - which you will see soon -is also coming from the UN. Who is behind the UN ?  The WEF and DARPA/CIA  technology.  DARPA was involved in developing this bioweapon virus and its patents. ... since 2002. Many other bioweapon patents and geoengineering is also part of the military industrial complex.   The nano-tech, brain research with chips; and conductor bio-materials is much father that we anticipate.  Also the super-databases with the cloud which are being built for the UN.  https://www.wfp.org/news/palantir-and-wfp-partner-help-transform-global-humanitarian-delivery (I just pulled up Palantir ). This database it seems will eventually include an inventory of all humans. animals, all food, water, our energy use, income and spending... and much more.

When this is done - it will have 24/7 surveillance on everyone in the West (this is the plan) and will even be able to predict intent of a crime - so they say. The plan is to connect all people to the AI. I think UN will then have the teeth to openly call even more shots (because the people behind it will not reveal themselves).  People like Gates are only the front-men....but very much willing to be used for a love of power and money.  All  the patents first go to British MI5 /6 in collaboration with the secret military organizations in USA. This is how FB was stolen and how Gates bought a company for very little and used its technology.  FB and Microsoft as well as AI research through Amazon and Musk's companies has connections to the USA military complex. They all have done outsourced work for the industrial military complex.

I do not know if UN will openly rule for an hour or if it will remain as it is now - time will tell. 

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

for people love their own comfort and they love their own nations. They won’t stand by to see them eviscerated.

This is why this new transsexual/transhumanist philosophy is so divisive (more clay and iron).  I have not yet researched the the UN Health agreement of 2005, but it apparently allows for a UN coalition army to go uninvited into any country which has anarchy -type of situation (they may use China because the UN is working with China too!) 

During this pandemic, thousands of people were bussed in across the border without being tested for the virus.  They were all sent to small villages.  The same is happening in Europe...  The national state is no longer a state!  Even the history is being rewritten and you are "far-right" if you dare to comment on a nation's rewritten history.  Soon, anyone who is classified anti-vax or far-right or any group which is Islamophobic and so forth will face government reprisals  (Jehovah will at some time put in their heart to turn against religion.

South America now has far left governments now and it is only Poland holding out against the UN cross-border plans.  They managed to change Austria 's PM and now this country has some of the worst lock-downs.  I will not put it past the EU to manage a new govt in Hungary and Poland because the shenanigans against them is bad.

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

They are humans fixing the planet—the humanistic way. 

It is about eugenics and transhumanism .... and the evil condition of humans who do not believe in God. We have seen enough history in the 20th century to convince us what atheist governments are capable of - the oppression and killing of their own citizens.  I watched a personal interview with a North Korea woman. She said she was occupied with planning to get her next meal every day......  the battle for food keep people in a suppressed mental state all the time.  The soldier which escaped to S Korea about 2 years ago//// he would have died if he did not escape.  He had all kinds of parasites in his intestines..... and soldiers usually have better care than ordinary citizens.

This new world government is a Coup d'etat by Satan... to take over the entire world  to control all people. ...and get them compromised against Jehovah by its oppression.  I think the final human government will be the most wicked cherry on top of the human historical cake! 

Satan likes deceit and hidden traps.  This time the most wealthy people who want the earth for themselves are doing a stealth take-over.  They figure that AI will make life easier for them and too many people on earth producing babies will be just too many consumers to feed - especially if they do not have useful jobs! 

How far they will get and just how ugly the reality will be, this depends on when Jehovah decides he has proven beyond reasonable doubt that human governments need to go forever! ... 

1 hour ago, Witness said:

You've actually shown that the UN cannot be the Beast

See above - The UN is the scarlet "image of the beast"  which by the way is now running all human affairs..... and is the disgusting thing of destruction which will persecute the true people of Jehovah.

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Most of Christendom 'generally' believes as you do about the Beasts

YOu are WRONG - they believe like you do-  that the beast is the anti-Christ - all thrown together!

Now they have come up with a new idea!  The vaccine is the mark of the beast - which JWs do NOT believe!

We believe that imperfect human governments are the different beats....  the image of the beast is the UN. 

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Perhaps Russell was deranged

Russel wrote some of his books 140 years ago -  What is your excuse for your deviations and inadequate knowledge of the bible!  You want to be a teacher and lord it over the JWs but you do not understand half of what you say!

I think I have now said enough.  I hope you realize you are too prideful..... YOU rather have hate-OCD- revile the GB. ... 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

Beast from the earth (Rev 13:11) is the false prophet/Harlot/GB that "

Another falsehood..... YOu throw all the images together and hipe it makes sense - which it does not!

1 hour ago, Witness said:

hat's basically the end war - those on the side of Christ and his truth, battling against those on the side of Satan and his lies.

The end war is between imperfect wicked HUMAN governments (under Satan - 666) versus Jesus Christ - the appointed King of Jehovah.  This is clear from scripture.   You are sloppy again.  Read Revelation 19 where it discusses the destruction during Armageddon!

"And I saw the wild beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the one seated on the horse and against his army.g ²⁰  And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false propheth that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beasti and those who worship its image.j While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur.k ²¹  But the rest were killed off with the long sword that proceeded out of the mouth of the one seated on the horse.l And all the birds were filled with their flesh.m

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Why do You make men like fish of the sea, (Isa 57:20

This same scripture that you quote says - WICKED men are like the sea - "  “But the wicked are like the restless sea that cannot calm down, And its waters keep tossing up seaweed and mire.  (You are a very sloppy bible student - as I have said before).  YOu throw everything together and hope it makes sense...... 

16 hours ago, Witness said:

What am I making up?  

Everything as you go along! See the above example -   You have GB-OCD:- everything is interpreted through this lens!  No prophecy you utter does not have the GB in it!   The beast is the GB; the man of lawlessness is the GB; I can go on and on with so many examples!   The Beast is in the temple of god?  why do you  interpret it this way?.... Because your GB hate-OCD dictates it is the .... wait for it...... the GB..... 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

The holiest place in the universe is in a person’s heart

You sound like a protestant....... I would say jehovah is the Holiest and his Presence;  and here on earth it is the realm of His worship - as jehovah does not need buildings. 

This is why our other "prophet" on this forum is a tainted prophet. Her prophecies come from a severe case of OCD- hate of GB. ...... no need to ask why everything is painted with the same brush and color.... that is all she can prophecy about.

11 hours ago, Witness said:

beast" is the "man of lawlessness

Good example of wrong interpretation.  Daniel 8: 20 & 21 clearly shows that two of the beasts are the Persian and Greek empire....... so if it depicts a political entity in Daniel....... how can the beast in Revelation suddenly become the GB?  ..... as she is trying to imply.  If you can fall for her reasoning then you will fall for anything! 

3 hours ago, Witness said:

And who runs this "earthly organization"?  Obviously, it isn't Jesus Christ.  

He is up in heaven - so he sends his Holy Spirit.  Surely you understand this?

10 hours ago, Arauna said:

“kings of the earth” (“ten horns”) and the Beast/body of elders,

I made a comment on the above.  You OCD - style criticize the elders when you yourself cannot make heads or tails out of prophecy which you quote from the bible!

4 hours ago, Witness said:

“kings of the earth” (“ten horns”) and the Beast/body of elders,

Your incoherence amazes me.   I say no more!  But people here should realize you have no clue about the contents of the bible.  You make your own up as you go along.....   I have to sound rude on this one.

6 hours ago, JW Insider said:

important for news media to pick and choose whose interviews get on the air. And

Like Hitler's team chose the stories whict went on the air....    In a healthy situation ALL reporting is supposed to have no bias... and both sides published.... in a normal situation..so that people do not just hear one side.

That is why I mentioned on this forum my shock  in 2018,  the UN agreement which had a clause which stipulated that reporters had to be "retrained"..... to tow the line.  In China they do e exactly that.  There is a virologist which fled China now giving interviews about Covid. She tells how she is threatened and her life in danger in a foreign country. The tentacles of CCP is everywhere - like a monster in the dark. 

In Germany a new reality was created for all it's people (gaslighted) and one had to believe the narrative or propaganda or feel the consequences...... this has been going on in China and already being imported in the West....... as I warned 2 years ago.  The UN saw China as the model..... 

39 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Thank you for admitting people here have no moral or ethics when it

You use some kind of license to twist peoples words in order to put things in people's mouths- which they did not say. I think this is why it is so hard to talk with you..... it is the twisting which makes it hard....

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

see now, people here don't practice what th

Finding something to gripe about everyone - self-appointed judge?

On 12/20/2021 at 3:39 PM, Dmitar said:

How could this impasse be clarified?

I am happy that you are asking questions..... but you go out from the premise that the final war of Armageddon will be between Jews and gentiles. Read Revelation 19 and you will see it is a war between Jesus (righteous warfare as he rides a white horse) against all humans who do not accept his governance. There is only two sides: human rulership or Jehovah's  rulership and his moral principles.  These godly principles are the rules on which the new society will be based.

The theme of the bible is the choice which Adam made.  Human self-rulership and human choice of their own morals (good and bad) OR the good and bad prescribed by Jehovah and His kingdom which will restore the world to His original purpose.

Right throughout history there has been all kinds of human rulerships and philosophies which people made up. Jehovah gave a list of the empires that would rule over his covenanted people... one can follow them in Daniel. The seven heads were egypt, assyria, babylon, persia, greece, rome and anglo-american empire - which came out of the little horn which came out of Rome.

These governments come right down to our day.  The trick is to see where revelation takes over from Daniel.   It is quite clear with a little study. Daniel and Ezekiel gives events which will happen in our time as well.  Revelation talks of the beast with the 7 heads (political system) and the image of the beast - which is scarlet and full of blasphemous names.  The Image of the beast will turn against religion (the image in NOT the beast itself but gets life from the seventh head of the beast. )

Unfortunately, witness conflates all these - she is sloppy and not meticulous.  In my study of the other prophecies - they went into fulfillment EXACTLY and meticulously.... I give attention to every word!    

I do not pretend to know it all - but I have had a keen interest in these things for quite some time and I am not loved because of this!  However, I am not here to please people...... One must be prepared to be hated by those who have no fear of god but promote their own ideas!

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

If I were you, I wouldn't just believe everything I read based on the headlines

Advice taken - but I have to add.   I usually like to hear people talk about their own experiences - how they fled - how they escaped and why.  Such as Tibetan families, Uyger families who still have families back in China....and women who were picked up by the government - just before their babies were born - babies taken out, sterilized and the women thrown on the side of the road......far away from home.  This is the kind of EXPERIENCES  I have listened to.    I like personal stories.... so one can evaluate all the facts to see if the story is fake or not. 

 I do not trust any news.  I worked for newspapers and paid for advertisements on TV - I know where their finances come from. Much of the news received large sums from CHINESE cover organizations. At present more than 50 percent of finances for TV stations and other media is coming from pharmaceutical industrial complex as is the FDA and most of the Allopathic health industry.  Money talks.  Hospitals and the entire system have been compromised by money.

The smoking gun for me is the fact that the world-class virologists, excellent heart specialists and other experts,  who know what they are talking about, are being silenced.  One need not have a PHD to figure out that the world around us is a false world created for us by those in power.... and this includes China.  The West is imitating China - as I said on this platform before.

37 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

China is already well ahead of the US in a lot of technologies including some used in military, satellites, quantum computer technology, bullet trains, physics research,

Just this week another CCP employee was taken into custody for trading secrets - it does not matter if CCP are technologically ahead or not.... their vicious methods are as bad as CIA tactics and propaganda......  The problem I have with all your writings is that you are as naïve as can be.  It seems, you honestly believe the CCP are good boys and not capable of being bad to their own people ..... by everything you say in their defense.  You obviously do NOT believe they are an ally to the king of the north! 

Soon the west will adopt their tactics.  As I have long ago said on this forum - the UN and the EU and it seems now the entire south America - love the CCP surveillance state and will soon bring the entire world into similar passports which punish a person for eating to much meat, using too much energy,  asking questions about  the government  and so forth! 

42 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

Can you expand on how you being rude,

I think I will cut off the exchange right here......  Thank you - let it go!

Just now, Dmitar said:

How does your attitude comply with scripture?

I asked this question because of your attitude - neither did your words comply with scripture.