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4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

I'm here for a reason, what's your excuse.

I have also exposed bad thinking on this forum but not with fire and brimstone.  I believe at times I was ashamed of my behavior because it came across has harsh or judgmental.  Even Jesus said to Satan...... "May Jehovah rebuke you".  He did not rebuke him himself.

While I agreed with most of what you said, I could not stand by without raising my voice to expose extremely bad behavior. You cannot justify that as an excuse...... sorry your excuses for  the 1 TTm 3: 1-5  behaviour is not christian.   Against the fruitages of the Spirit there is NO LAW.... Gal 5:22.... even when working with enemies. 

I leave now because I do not want to mix with ........... - and this includes you. Your excuses to be on this forum is a false flag.

1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

I can read, you people's intention like a book

Only Jesus can read hearts. I agree with you, the company here is not pure but your behavior is also badly flawed in a different  way. you can learn from this,  or not - your choice. 

2 hours ago, César Chávez said:

You people are making the Watchtower look more bad, than actual ex-witnesses. 

You forget that behaviour is a big part of our integrity. I merely stood up for someone you were railing against without understanding what it was about.... and I had to watch you go balistic..... Think about your own behaviour..... 

3 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

ave just begun to accuse you lady!!

We learnt this week to walk away when people are abusive.  If this is not abuse then I do not know what you think it is.  You must be a nightmare in your congregation. ....bye ..... if you think you are going to get any converts here ..... forget about it.  No remorse in your demeanor either.  Head knowledge and NO compassion or love. You justify your hateful attitude by Jesus cleaning the temple...... 99.9 percent of the time Jesus was compassionate and kind as well as patient.... think about that!

33 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Was Jesus being NICE! At this point? There is a time and place to be nice, this FORUM that holds a den of thieves is NOT one of them!! LEARN SCRIPTURE!!

This is why I left off coming here.  What are you still doing here?.  Do you use it as a place to wield your stick? 

I saw this placement above and gave an answer - not realizing that I would now get myself in a situation where a fellow believer would justify verbal abuse on those he deems to be unapproved. ...... 

25 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

he truth and not a credible one. Why do you even bother, just like Anna and JWI along with many others?

Your superiority makes you a disingenuous witness, or at best, a bad teacher. The bible says if we do not have love then we are NOTHING. 1cor 13 first verse.  You break your spiritual family members down by telling them they are not good enough.  Have you not attended the last few watchtower studies ?  Did you do any introspection? Have you not read the psalms? ... or is it only head knowledge that matters to you and no wholehearted wise application of what you learn?

Tom was only repeating the man's own words back at him .... Jah2me has said these very same expressions hundreds of times on this forum, namely that he is waiting for the true anointed because he does not recognize JWs.... Tom was playing with the mans own words and his head..... .

Maybe it was a case of your answering before thinking about what he was trying to do. Remember the scripture which says there is NO man is without sin.  Some may think that all others are equal in sin  but they are not...... their hastiness to break down and judge is not sin.  Jehovah turns his eyes away from the haughty..... We all need forgiveness from God to be approved every day of our life.  If we are just criticizing and not building up we may ourselves miss out on this forgiveness.  The very reason I identify jah4me as a hate-OCD person is because that is all he does - break down and criticize. 

Sometimes we need to correct BUT not harshly.

12 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

surely have chosen their own type of work

yes - to support their families. But true anointed would use their extra time to further kingdom interests.  Read Paul's letters. He urged them to do this.

On 4/13/2021 at 10:16 PM, Matthew9969 said:

re money for the governing body to live higher in luxury.

Easy to call it luxury when you have enough time to sit for hours on internet. You seem to live like the ancient Roman upper class did..... let the "slaves" do the work!.... lol

4 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

hink you should say

I think, you should read what I said and think about that.  Not interpret your own agenda into what I said.

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Bible not condemns birthdays

There are many things the bible does not condemn outright  but if you want to be morally clean and without any pagan images in your worship then one understands that it is wrong. It depends on level of obedience to god and the level of accurate knowledge.

I have had many opportunities in life to be more than I am now..... I did not take it.  I am so happy to have put Jehovah first because if I had, I would no longer be a witness.

Like all of us - she made her choice. Halloween, birthdays, Xmas and other pagan holidays like valentines day was too important to her.  Her freedom to do as she likes made her a different kind of slave - to her desires - but she does not realize that.

I bet she found reading the bible also tedious..... nor every person one earth today have the same capacity for godly devotion.  They want to have their cake and eat it and then still be accepted unconditionally.

Pity - she will soon regret her decisions..... we are on our way to Armageddon and persecution of true Christians.  She will be looking for knowledge of Jehovah but it will not be found.

I read recently that China was taking Christians into custody that were regularly using zoom. I think the platform will allow for this type of government abuse.  In the end it could make all of us more vulnerable.  I do not know what is the solution because the JW app has now been banned in Russia.  So a JW meeting app may not work either.   

I think we are reaching a time where we all will have to be ready to stand up for our faith and even go to "re-education camps"  for it..... it is this serious. 

I have also heard of kingdom halls that were successfully sold.  There is a boom in property sales now (a massive bubble)- so the GB will get some money to go on from selling properties.  They must sell while the boom lasts. Halls cost money to maintain with no-one using it.

Inflation is going up and the stock market and housing market is artificially high (just as before the great depression).  The dollar has lost so much of its value that the food prices will soon be shooting up.

We really are close to a great catastrophe.....  The central banks will soon replace the physical money with digital money and start a new fiat digital  currency to keep the world gong. They want to centrally control all of us.  The money you have in your bank and the house which is yours may be nationalized.  Gold and siver can be taken away and bitcoin may be illegal. When we do not comply to their moral standards (being Christians) our "universal income" will be cut off.  The hate towards Christians is growing.  We are not the same as other Christians ... but to them we are part of that category.

The GB are smart to let kingdom halls go as we can no longer physically meet.  The vaccination will not stop (more to come) as it gives them control over us.  It is the beginning of a series of vaccinations. People are starting to wake up to the manipulation going on but we are like helpless little birds in a trap - only Jehovah can remove us from it by some miracle.

The Ezekiel book we did 3 weeks ago reminded me of our situation now.  The city (world) in lockdown and a third dying of hunger and pestilence - the rest by the sword. Those fleeing will also be pursued.  Pretty grim picture but I think it is very possible for our time.

The final climax of the world where science and tech (human pride for what they can achieve)  is the new god. They will use it for oppression because they are imperfect and they are all atheist. 

Keep the faith, attend the meetings as long as possible and stay true to Jehovah. Do not get the mark of the beast (any identification as putting trust in any part of the world political system.)  Human institutions are now all corrupt and soon will be obsolete. 

40 minutes ago, xero said:

old book that deals w/the math

There are some good videos online that deal with this.  I answered Dawkins on his video with the long neck of the giraffe many years ago. Gave a long spiel. The artery that goes up the long neck and the nerves indicate the opposite of what he was saying. He is a nasty piece - as are most militant atheists I have come across.

16 hours ago, xero said:

philosophical and theoretical as I can.

I have the same type of mindset.  I also listened to a few podcasts featuring the high priest of Evolution (dawkins) and some other debates.  One learns a lot. 

Thank you.  I referred to this kind of study when speaking to AlanF on this forum and he continuously called me an idiot. There have been other studies as well which prove that the number of mutations at the steady level of degeneration of DNA - the math of it - implies that if mankind were as old as they say we are (billion years)....... the number of DNA mutations (because they are overwhelmingly negative and not positive) would have seen the extinction of humankind a long time ago.

Have you ever done an analyses of the main theme of the bible and follow the golden thread as it runs right throughout the bible?   I guarantee you,  one does not need to argue with anyone over evolution when you understand how consistent and realistic this theme is and how the continuity of it runs throughout every book if the bible.  Most of these prophets lived in different centuries and were not living at the same time or in the same place  to influence each other. One comes to the conclusion that the bible is " reality" - the bible is powerful in its consistency and Jehovah is all powerful in his logic and justice.

Humans have only scratched the surface of science and soon will have the whole world dying or suffering with their so-called outrageous science ideas which they will forcibly apply to mankind in their arrogance - NOT for the benefit of human kind but to our detriment.

Many themes are connected to the main theme of the bible.  One has no doubt that humankind will have  NO hope for a future if it was not for Jehovah's promises of the restoration of his original purpose. To understand all these issues are important to exercise faith. The wicked world in contrast provides enough evidence that humans cannot rule themselves successfully at all.

19 hours ago, JW Insider said:

his in the 1970's and 1980's at Bethel, a lot of unhappy heads would have rolled

This is why I always look at the historical context.  The truth was very different then. The entire human society was also much more strict and more authoritarian than the present day. This is why it is not good to look back... look only at the present time.  My husband and I often discuss our parents.... so strict..... post world war 2 discipline.  Women also more submissive to husbands.  The  mindset was different then.

Our books also went into the historical aspects much more. A good example is Babylon the great has Fallen... also the blue truth book - not as simplified as today. 

The problem now is that there is no discipline in the world and almost any form of morality is acceptable...

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

walks through a wall and the like. 

I think you are mixing up the word inspired with being a spirit being. Not the same

13 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

JWs do not believe in miracles,

If any kind of " inspired expression" is a miracle - which is what you infer - then I feel sorry for you.... because Satan can "inspire many things too.

12 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

people can be "inspired" by God today. 

Incorrect - I have spoken to people from these ' inspired churches' who make up a lot of things as they go along and say they are inspired by god's spirit.  Usually these inspired things are closer to spiritism than the Bible.  The Bible is our "inspired" source.

5 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

JWs on here don't seem to believe in miracles anymore. 

When a miracle is an unexplained event which is beneficial then....sure I do believe in miracles.

8 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

o, who do you believe, your GB's Bible or some other Bible ? 

Do you know what is a master copy?  Do you know which master copy was used to translate the NWT?

49 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Soft criticism is no different from harsh criticism.

There is such as thing a justified criticism. But it should always be done in a Christian way.

1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

We ARE supposed to serve God through Jesus Christ.

There is a difference: to pray directly to Jesus and different to pray to Jehovah through Jesus who paid the ransom. I am sure this is what he meant.