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Arauna

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  1. 12 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

    ! I'm disciplined enough to fight for God and Christ.

    You may be using  a hammer when a sharp sword is needed. Do you really think there are NO witnesses here? You have judged us all? You are deluding yourself if you think your personal brand of JW is the only kind.  There are principles we all have to adhere to and I have not proven unfaithful to Jehovah.  If I have - show me what I said which was unfaithful to the word of god -  except landing myself in a stupid cat standoff with you (for a silly sentence with less than 10 words). It was NOT Jehovah's ego that was hurt - it as yours.

  2. 14 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

    begged the Elders NOT to contact the police?

    This is a common problem - family members beg elders to not tell the police.  This is why I say that many here do not think of how the families feel or think. They do not think of the family dynamics, except about the reporting. 

    I have mentioned on this forum before how a young boy who touched his cousin out of curiosity was sent to a reformatory and branded a sex offender for the rest of his life......  BUT the people here do not really want to look at the nuances and the pain this brings a family or the victim....... the smell a pound of flesh and use this subject to keep on beating and beating JWs. they are not reasonable.

  3. 6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    ar as I remember Christ did not participate in the "Judicial commissions/committees" of his time... 

    As far as I remember the congregations were not yet completely established. There were only disciples who followed him.  He was not part of the Jewish Sanhedrin and went into the synagogue to read the Hebrew scriptures.  

  4. 1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

    nce again it seems your GB / Org do not obey scripture 'as they see it', because they do it all in secret.

    This was talking about a mother and son sleeping together which was shocking. It came to Paul's ears.  This scripture does not mean that we must go around reporting on people whom we suspect of having done something wrong.... which you seem to imply.  

    It is common knowledge that child sex abuse ALWAYS happens in secret....... because it is predatory behavior and a CRIME!   Similar to a planned murder, these  people's consciences know it is wrong and therefore cover their tracks.  If you did not know this then please go read up about this.

  5. 5 hours ago, Thinking said:

    Agreeing with anEx Jw on certain matters  does not make one their Alia..it’s just acknowledging a fact that may be correct in a certain issue at a certain time.

    When one works with people one should validate their feelings..... and afterward correct.them..... that is the loving way to do it. 

  6. 11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    that person needs to get educated in order to have the proper knowledge before embarrassing themselves as a supposed witness.

    Yes, we all have experience of judicial committees.... lol.

    Your other words also indicate that we must shut up if we have not been on a committee.   So where will I learn about this as a silly woman hmmm....? Will you teach me? .. when you distainfully shut me up or  expect me to say nothing or get off the forum?   

    OR will you patiently explain things here on the forum and NOT  expect  people to dutifully shut up?  I learn a lot from you but what you have  shamelessly said over the last few days, does not indicate wisdom by NOT looking at things also from another persons perspective.  You remind me of the pharisees - all law, and no love. You have to learn to tone down the harshness and one-sidedness. I look past that because I like to learn things - no matter from which mouth it comes , ........ I am not just speaking for myself here.

    On this forum is not just about having experts on a matter talking.  If the forum was merely for experts arguing "cases" then where would us ordinary folk go?  

    I do not want to share photographs of myself on other media or talk about car racing, clothes, or some other silly subject. I come here to get my mind stimulated to get something new to think about ...... not to be an expert..... or to be perfect..... If I wanted oversight I would go to the "closed" part of the forum. 

    Yes - there are those who are  silly sometimes... even sloppy.....(I feel entitled to be, having worked hard my whole life)...... but this is made up for by others with extreme puffiness, commedians, bad tempered and deviant  experts and others with extreme hate-OCD.  

    There are people on here that would not believe even if christ himself spoke to them from heaven by e-mail.... they would think it is a despicable  JW prodding  them..... their prejudice is immutable. They think the JW organization should be run the way THEY think it should be run and will always find some handy element to critisize as long as they live ....... no matter how reasonable the arguments....... because they themselves cannot put themselves in any other persons shoes. They are highly flawed but do not know it.  Put those very same people in a position of leadership and all justice will disappear because they have no clue about righteousness or justice. 

  7. 7 hours ago, Thinking said:

    Arauna I agree with so much of what you say...but as a people we shouldn’t have needed the ARC..to do the right thing....that’s what some are arguing here.

    If you do not have the right secular laws in place to get a conviction then the secular system and reporting a crime  is useless. For example - police need psychologists to work with the under aged victims to take testimony .... so they are not traumatized by being cross-examined in court (second trauma).  If there is not a law for mandatory reporting then there is usually also no infrastructure / support system to determine guilt.  Psychologists can help determine this in very difficult cases. Even where these laws are in place it has transpired that the secular system does not follow through because of lack of infrastructure (qualified people). But now that these laws are in place they still blame those who worked with children for their lack of extra procedures - when they themselves lacked procedures... and still are retroactively shifting the blame.

    The problem has always been the cases wherein it is difficult to prove guilt - one needs additional government support - and this was NOT available.

    JWs were doing what they possibly could under the secular system that was in place. They put procedures in place and were ridiculed for it.  The government was shifting its responsibility to bring in good functional laws to handle these cases.  Instead it was left to organizations who worked with children to sort out.  Where there are children one will always find renegade people who will step out of line. Satan can get to anyone and any person who denies this is denying the scriptures in the bible which prove that Satan can get to any person - Judas walked with Christ and was a traitor to the trust put in him.

    I feel the law is acting unjustly by retroactively blaming organizations when they themselves were to blame for the confusion in the first place. 

     

  8. 12 minutes ago, Thinking said:

    our policies have changed because of the ARC....

    As I said before -  JWs had to get by without proper government laws.  Now that governments were at last  taking their responsibility seriously,  to have an inquiry to see how they can close the loopholes in the laws. Now we can use this to improve the outcome of these matters. The ARC came way too late... there were many loopholes in the law.... same as in USA.

  9. 2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    don't know what made questionable about this man, and you

    I should have used the world "when".  And then you go off on a totally different subject about research on this concept............ srecko .... you always go to the ploy of semantics to change the point of the thread. 

    You asked about 2 kinds of unrighteousness...... I give the answer..... without considering this (my use of the word "if" sends you off on a totally other subject...... ....can you not concentrate on one subject at a time...... or is it a deliberate  ploy to troll?

  10. 2 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    when you deal with me

    I did not deal with you!  I do not presume to deal with you. I have no wish to "deal" with you.  You do not know me and please do not presume to know me.  I merely made a comment (which I added to yours) and drew tremendous ire.  It was NOT a criticism of you. However, it seems you also have an ego problem.......  You have to have your pound of flesh!

    2 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    r themselves your disdain for me. 

    I have never had any distain for you - in fact I have been the one to commend you more than anyone here because I agree with you mostly. But when you target me I have the right to stand up for myself.

     

    2 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    you hate the FACT I challenge apostate views, especially, the ones coming from witnesses.

    I LIKE the fact that you challenge apostates because my ability to research is limited at present. I listen to most of my podcasts. So you have issues  with me - I am sorry for that but definitely not devastated. I have NEVER had any issue with you and still do not.  The hostility is coming from your side not mine.

  11. 2 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    when JTR took the cake at being as you state "self-defensive, nasty, overbearing, and obnoxious" that NOT even you called him out on,

    I did my dear... maybe not harshly because I was trying to show patience to him. But on many occasion I called him out and I was not always kind. I have not been quiet on this forum when people bend the truth. I give benefit of the doubt until I am sure someone is really bending the truth so much they could be bending spoons!......(in spiritistic way)

  12. 47 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    how exists at least two group of "unrighteous", 

    The man who was next to Jesus when he died on the stake was an unrighteous man - he died the death which he inherited from Adam.  If he gets  a resurrection in the new system he will be resurrected from "sheol" or 'hades'. He comes out of the death we all inherited from Adam.  If he rebels after this in the new earthly system there is no ransom any longer to pay for his sins. It is a sin to the degree of Adam and Eve, he will see "second death" - Gehenna. 

    The bible itself says that the 'unrighteous' will be raised up Acts 24:15. But it also shows in Revelation 20 that those who are on the earth after Armageddon and rebel against Jehovah when Satan is let lose will see everlasting destruction - Gehenna. I suggest you read revelation 20 for yourself.

    56 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Merely human interpretations and guessing.

    Mathematics proves that it is possible - that is all. It strengthens our "faith".  Our faith is built on evidence of the realities not yet fulfilled.   You once asked the question - will there be such faith?  Yes there is. We believe in an earthly resurrection for most of those who have lived on the earth.  Is it practical to believe this? Yes because it is possible.. 

  13. 2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    JW people speak and hope for the Kingdom as the solution to all problems. But I think that vision is a bit vague to them as well. Or the vision is distorted by misconceptions of what and how “their” Kingdom will work.

    What I saw in your last comment, is a trust in worldly governments. - If you have not noticed the dysfunctional, dystopian laws being passed lately, which I call the abuse of children by tmeans of the transgender agenda - giving permissions to government to remove body parts of young minor children (without parental consent), administration of hormones to 10 year olds.... and the leaving of 9 month full gestation (born fetuses) to die without medical care - then you have not been abreast with the news. Australia has brought in laws which make any councilling (biblical or psycholocal) to a person/child who wants to turn back or stop their transition..... against the law. 

    I can mention so many new laws that are now being passed by decree or exec order in USA, UK, Canada, Australia etc. which one cannot even call logical or sane.... because of the disrespect for life and the creation of chaos. Yes the world is being turned topsy turvy by a tsunami of satan-inspired ideas and  laws which indicates the true intention of satan...... to make the world an immoral place where no-one can any longer find truth. Soon the truth about Jehovah will not be available..... they will search for it and not be able to find it as new laws will make  MORAL thinking illegal.

    The old idea that governments will be the " mother"  to look after our interests in a beneficial and legal way, with individual rights, is a relic of the past.  One can no longer trust any government. Individual rights have been replaced by "collective" rights.  All governments serve the UN Agenda. 

    Now I am not talking rebellion or disobedience here........ I am only talking trust. I do not trust any human court of law or government to look after my physical interests any longer  and definitely NEVER my spiritual interests.  If you have not noticed..... the world has gone quite crazy!..... and much more to come. We are going back to the amoral times of Canaan ... more like before the flood..

    I think Jehovah will allow the human governments (at the height of technological discovery) to misuse it against the populace. Satan will be drawn out to show his true, dark deceptive goal for the earth.  An injust /amoral world will be pitch dark in its outlook and outcomes.  Jehovah will thoroughly prove that humans cannot rule the earth - especially if they negate his moral standards. (The issue of Jehovahs good and bad). 

    Your comment quoted  above is incorrect. Most JWs  know that the kingdom government of jehovah is going to be a real government under the loving laws/ principles of christ - which will be willingly obeyed by everyone!  So humans will not really need intense "supervision".  They will willingly obey..... and make sacrifices to fix the earth.

    Because they really have faith and "trust' Jehovah ..... they know that those who deserve destruction will be destroyed and will not live through Armageddon. They trust that jehovah can see the heart..... and those 'unrighteous ones' who will be inclined to obey the government of christ will get a resurrection. They will be resurrected at the right time of Jesus' choice. They know that people will make mistakes in judgment day but will grow to perfection. The 144000 and christ will decide the steps to be taken.  They also know that satan will be tied for the 1000 years,.....  so when a person rebels against God (without being misled), he will be judged immediately by the one who can see the heart. Second death.

    This is direct rulership of jehovah by putting in charge his Chief Agent  who will administer just laws which will be the same for everyone - no matter the gender, color or whatever.  (Secular governments sometimes have just laws but there is no equality under law because they are not enforced equally). This is not the case with the government of jehovah. A person who is a rebel will disappear and everyone will understand why. Aaron did not mourn his 2 sons...... after they disrespected jehovah. Everyone will put love of jehovah first in their lives.

    Jesus may directly employ angels as messengers -  we do not know. But the education work for all to learn Jehovah's laws will be massive!  Although the resurrection will be done in steps.  This will require organization and cooperation. Brothers on earth who organize us will not be "rulers" as we understand them to be in this system of things. I call them "facilitators".  People who serve others and make it easy for them to serve jehovah in an orderly way..

    Adam and eve - if they remained faithful and perfect - would not have required kings or people to check their obedience - ever. But family heads may eventually have organized their families ....... such as in Israel the families cooperated and moved in formation under Jehovahs direction. 

    You once said on this forum .... will Jesus find this "faith " .when he comes? ...... yes, his Witnesses put full faith in this future government because of the justice and righteousness it will bring. They really "trust" and have faith in this kingdom government.

    So we have received enough education about the kingdom to get us through Armageddon and give us the faith to not trust human governments (  666)  but only Jehovahs government. Jehovah and his very capable king will be in charge and we will follow most willingly and obediently.

    Under resurrection in the insight book (I speak from memory) it gives the mathematical realities of the resurrection. It shows that 20 billion people could be resurrected in the first 500 years.  If the first people are resurrected and thereafter only every 33 years..... and given this time to learn about jehovah..... they will then be able to teach the next ones who are resurrected......Exponentially they will have taught all resurrected ones at 33 year increments within the first 500 years.  

  14. 10 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    start crying! I don't need you to apologize, since it won't be accepted. People

    That is most Christ- like of you.... I recall a scripture which says " knowledge puffs up but LOVE builds up." 

     I think love for jehovah and love for neighbour goes much farther than harshness, pride and all those nasty attributes.  Love is the one attribute which  can most often help people to recognise the truth.

    Maybe you came to this forum to also learn a truth about yourself..... you have to work on your Christian attributes. You may have knowledge but you still do not have the love.

    I recall Corinthians (Paul) said: If I have all the knowledge and I do not have love - then I am NOTHING.

    So this silly little old sister can also speak directly the truth to you. While I find the "deceivers"  on here just as disgusting as you do and have also not been kind to them on occasion....... I at least feel guilty about my failings because my conscience has been trained to distinguish right from wrong, kindness from pride, self-righteousness from true righteousness.  I leave it to you to ask yourself: what have I learnt about myself on this forum. 

     

  15. 10 hours ago, César Chávez said:

    You lack knowledge in many areas. 

    I would like you to point them out in a kind way so I can go and upgrade the knowledge I lack.  If you are a true Christian you would help me and not just critisize me. Serious - you may go ahead and give me all the weak spots .... I can take it like a man without getting nasty, self- defensive, being overbearing or obnoxious. 

     

  16. 1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

    she continued in her wrong path, even though I was strongly opposed

    Excuse me, if you are referring to me, please watch your rhetoric. The sentence  I added to your comment (without making this clear) was a mistake - not ' pursuing'  in a wrong path. While I agree with most things you say, I feel you are way to over the top in your judgement of me. 

    Total over reaction.  Any case, even if I was the most silliest person on this forum..... I still have a right to be here and not be spoken of like "unworthy" of being in a discussion where you are present. So I apologise again for this but I reserve the right to add any "opinion" I may have.. 

  17. 33 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    Plus, the fact that you claim to represent Jehovah’s organization, and they don’t

    It does not make their hate-OCD better. It is false to think that JWs must pander to such deceit and unrighteousness. I do not recall Jesus pandering to mainstream thinking or placating the pharisees.  

    I also come across strong to the American mindset. A country where boys who are unruly,  not polite or noisy are given drugs in school and diagnosed with ADHD ...... yes I understand the American mindset.  And it is truly warped..... that is why it is now unlawful to say anything against transgenderism.  This has been coming for a very ling time.

    I do think I can learn to be more polite in my disdain of lies....but I do not think the people here are inclined to learn anything from others...... so yea .... I may be wasting my precious eyesight.

    I do pop in now and then but I do not take these subjects too seriously..... or for that matter myself seriously here..... it is a waste of time. It is mere entertainment. 

    Maybe I should add that I intended no harm or untruth when I added that short comment. So I apologise.  I just zoomed in on a word that was used. That is all. 

  18. 1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

    It is obvious that you never had a clue of our teachings or are simply lying about what you know.

    Please explain what I did wrong.  I am prepared to listen to you if you really have superior insight!  I merely commented that it was a lie and not a different opinion. 

    I call a lie a lie.

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