Arauna

16 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

You haven't negated anything I said. Read my source.

Negating the main reason I used this example  in the first place..... typical evolutional thinking. Negate the real issue and answer a side issue.  

On 1/1/2021 at 4:17 PM, Ann O'Maly said:

Influenza A/H1N1 (Spanish 'flu was a strain of this) still exists.

I am Clueless heh? 

I just typed this in and guess what?

It is interesting to note that the H1N1 flu strain that caused the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was extinct until very recently. This strain has been recently resurrected to allow for its scientific study and is closely guarded in a containment facility in Atlanta, Georgia.Mar 20, 2018

On 1/1/2021 at 5:13 PM, AlanF said:

claim no answers were given

I did not claim that - this is a lie.  Yea - I have a life ... I do not spend all my time on here .   I have read some answers on other websites and was not impressed.... that is why I still believe in YEHOVAH.

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

LOL! Those mathematicians are almost ALL creationists...”

That is how these people think - they label someone - and then (in their mind) they have answered and dealt with the matter sufficiently !

They refuse to look into it...... because they are afriad they may have to let go of their 'religion'.

The book I mentioned before is a scholar and mathematician - 

The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions is a 2008 book by David Berlinski. It discusses atheism and religion, defending the religious point of view. He is not religious himself but makes these arguments because he can!  I guess he does not know where to start to be religious.  He is born a Jew and does not know where to search for the biblical truth.... or just not interested....

3 minutes ago, AlanF said:

Here's a case w

This is one case - the majority of dinosaurs were deposited in 2 long gullies in USA with a large island in the middle.  This is the geological facts.  One incidence does not prove the majority of fossils buried together in a long grave wrong. 

5 minutes ago, AlanF said:

Watchtower Society dropped that nonsense 40 years ago

I follow the newest evidence...... 

6 minutes ago, AlanF said:

here's a case where an ankylosaur was somehow washed out to sea and quietly buried in fine sediments: 

I just typed into my google and this came up: there is unbelievable amount of evidence for this! 

https://www.livescience.com/8340-world-largest-dinosaur-graveyard-linked-mass-death.html

17 minutes ago, AlanF said:

Try acting within your limitations.

And let you get away with your lies - even my memory is better than your insults - which provides no evidence 

41 minutes ago, AlanF said:

but whether the Bible God did flood the earth.

There is more than enough geological evidence.  The flood was a very violent event as I said before.  Everything on earth was destroyed.  Most of the dinosaurs were deposited in graveyards hundred of miles long which were  gullies.  The water pushed the dinosaurs into gullies. .... and it was adults which were buried.  Most adult animals had lost their babies along the way of running to higher ground as the water moved in.

All over the world the deposits of dinosaurs are found in long gullies - china, USA etc. Most of these animals are also in positions which show that they were dumped there in violence on top of one another. Their bodies often in twisted shapes.

There is much more evidence but if one only reads literature that proves the opposite - that is what you will believe. 

22 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

ooking? Perhaps depends on your glasses

Lol - that is my turf.  My eyes are so bad I cannot do the research like I used to..... I write from memory alone.

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

you really think how people from China, India, North America, Africa, Australia etc. came to Egypt to buy grain?

No - but we know that they may have come from across the Mediterranean because Egypt was known as a bread basket.  Rome later on got their wheat from Egypt.  Jacob came from Canaan for wheat on more than one occasion.  

23 hours ago, AlanF said:

certainly Fascists in their worldview.

By saying that you have no clue about fascism. Anything that is contrary to your thoughts is fascistic - no doubt

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

do not have any respect for the truth.

Today in science if you go against the main thought - you will be ousted.  Just think of transgender issue,  or the Covid 19 issue.  If you go against the organizations in control ( the money behind it)  you lose your voice - forever. 

11 hours ago, AlanF said:

hat's a compliment from someone so stupid as to talk about "Teutonic plates".

You focus on one  spelling mistake because you do not have real proof of fossils - how invertebrates suddenly became vertebrates, how the wing suddenly developed.... how the Cambrian explosion produced fully developed animals when only a few trilobites could be found in the previous layer ...... so NO progressive development found (no fossil record) in the millions of years in between the two layers....and suddenly we find rhino and dinosaur and various animals together -  conveniently left out of all evolutionary records.   And don't bother to answer with another "theory" which cannot be proved ....or the insults -  which are the only thing you are really good at..  

I do not waste my time any longer on a person like you who can only insult and cannot provide empirical  evidence.  Peer reviews  are also not acceptable because it just means that scientists stand together to protect their turf and do not have any respect for the truth. It is a religion masquerading as a science and playing beautifully into the hands of satan's goals. Unfortunately I have lost respect for many of the sciences..... they now produce results which their money sponsors desire.  Just look at the global warming fiasco for one.... example

Apart from this - the math does not add up and I will not even go into the protein and nano-technology aspects which prove evolution a myth or a religion .... because one needs a lot of imagination to find merit in  this theory (but so do a lot of novels have imagination) and a lot of blind faith to stick to it. 

I am not ashamed of the homework I have done on the subject and for that matter any other bible subjects.  I just feel sorry for you because people like you  start to believe their own human brilliance above that of the creator. As Roman 1:20 clearly says:  those people who reject the glory of god have NO excuse. They are like unthinking animals who flitter from one "theory" to the next.  They like to bluff themselves. because they really believe they are sophisticated and intellectual .... when they cannot even think for themselves that the first cell needed a ' membrane' to keep its contents in place.

The contents of the first protein would have dissipated into the surrounding fluids without a membrane......... just by chance a membrane and the particles needed for the first whole protein chain developed side by side ((miracle) - when it takes months for an entire team of nano-technologists to build ONE amino-acid  which will go into the protein chain.........Furthermore, they believe that the earth was stable for millions of years....... no bad weather , no disasters, vulcanos etc etc... so the complicated chemical particles were stable for millions of years and could form to create a complicated chain which folds only in a specific way and could stay together and bind together over millions of years to form one protein.   The "fairy-take "goldilocks " conditions were perfect for millions of years so that these amino acids would not dissipate.

The millions of miracles (each random change which happened by chance) which is  needed to happen  in evolution is more far-fetched than the few miracles mentioned in the bible. Mathematics has proven that it would take more years than the universe has existed to create one protein chain...... it is so complicated.  The cell structure is so complicated... it is an entire factory with a transport system and two different kinds of DNA in different parts of the cell.  A kind of operating system like windows....... Mitochondrial DNA which up till now was believed to only come from the first woman and our 46 genes, junk DNA and epigenetics combined to make us a unique person. 

Mathematicians have written about the deceit in the mathematics of evolution and the tests to determine the age of fossils.  I believe i gave you the name of the book I was reading at the time of our previous discussion on the subject.  Your distain does not bother me......  I have only pity for you....  and those with your kind of mindset.

Anna, it seems you are impressed by a show of scholarship and not the real thing.  Insider likes to use the babylonian chronicles and stars because then he can look smart,

The olympiad method is much easier, quicker and more accurate AND less debate and controversy.  You need not use the stars either....

This date of 530 BCE as cyrus' death is set in stone - no controversy about it. ..... and the beauty of it....... It fits with the biblical  chronology. (JWs do not adapt biblical chronology to fit with secular chronology but Visa versa. 

4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

keeps  people like Alanf, around.

Well said. He has not said one sentence that made me think twice..... all I got from him was insults. .... true blasphemer. 

2 hours ago, scholar JW said:

Furuli showed otherwise and has provided the explanation that you seek.

True, there are no dates on tablets.  They usually refer to some great local event...most of these, in our time cannot be tracked.  I happened to take out a book with translations of tablets when I worked at the university.  Yes there are theories about stars etc.... but descriptions of these events are not that accurate..... so we can be  making mistakes.

I think these people will believe what they want to believe. They are forming camps now.  Propaganda is rife in these statements that there are  "dates" - without substantiation - and are often repeated and people start to believe the fallacies.

13 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

religious doctrines". 

Evolution is more like a " religious doctrine "  than science.  Scarce evidence is provided  for the "miraculous" claims and when one scrutinizes it closely one sees all the deep flaws. These flaws usually have been accepted by peer review because some person thought up another highly unlikely theory to explain gross inconsistencies ...... and then  it is accepted by the high priest. Its foundation and subsequent bricks is like a clump of sand. 

The biological mathematics are so messed up.  Ie. The rate of mutations ........ one can take the flu of the great war WW1. This virus has already gone extinct. Due to the number of mutations it has not survived. 

If humans are as old as they say we are, our own mutations would already have made us go extinct.  Mutations are destructive - rarely has a beneficial outcome.

But we know why mutations occur from the bible ..... and we know there is a God who will rectify  this soon. 

9 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Lighten up! 😆

Your culture is different to mine..... very different.   

11 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Nonsense. You are twisting Jeremiah's words. The Babylonian king was not 'called to account' two years after the 70 years ended.

The babylonian empire fell - if you know the entire book of Daniel well - you will  know it gives us a summary of the march of world powers one after another.  The four beasts mentioned  are Babylon, medea-persia, Greece and Rome. 

The 70 years was the end of babylonian dominion - Babylon would NEVER have set Israel free so jehovah replaced them with medea-persia at the right time he had determined before. 70 years to be exact - to release Israel to go back.. 

Tyre suffered a blow under Babylon but its island was not destroyed - that only came later when Alexander the great destroyed it.  Babylon only became a wilderness much later when the salt deposits made the land infertile. 

You guys like to argue over the silliest details because you want to be right at all costs - to satisfy your egos. This has nothing to do with God or the bible....... you want to humiliate Jehovahs people who believe in him only and associate with his people.  

Your institutions - from whom you receive your mothers milk - will not save you.....  Only jehovah can save ...... and you have taken sides against him in favor of secular knowledge.   I prefer to drink His milk than your skewed secular interpretations of the bible. 

14 hours ago, JW Insider said:

don't believe any true scholars are confused

I do not believe scholars have any acceptance of the bible...... it is about being credible to peers who do not accept the bible.

14 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

16 hours ago, Arauna said:

Teutonic plates

🤣 Love it!

I speak 6 languages-  and you?  Tech tonic. .... you focus on words or spelling mistakes when you cannot answer ..... is that  a "scholarly"  tactic? 

I am  living in Albania.... so when you are online in the day it is already deep in my night.  I guess you think you are superior...... but your atheist conduct is similar to that of AlanF. ..... 

Science is now the God of this world..... unfortunately. Soon we will see a science or tech dictatorship take over the world with the "great reset" .... then you will experience the wonders of corrupt human knowledge and you whow ' your god' cannot save you

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

even permitting bullying, and more.

The same communist tactics all over the world now and a clamp down on human rights, free speech etc.

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Refusing a blood transfusion to appease God, is human sacrifice:)

Crazy when 666 says this - when they know full well that Aids, hepatitis C, syphilis etc is a death sentence. 

My baby daughter had cancer and had a full day surgery without blood - and survived!  She did not get anaphylactic shock - a common reason people die from after they receive blood..... but blood is never put on death certificate as reason for death.

They come through surgery well but on 4th day develop this shock to the body due to blood and die. On the death certificate: complications of surgery ..... never the true reason for death because they make too much money on it.

2 minutes ago, AlanF said:

India with Asia over the last 50 million years raised the Himalayas and uplifted the marine floor.

That was the flood - not 50 millions of years.  That is where the marine fossils come from all over the earth - on all the highest mountains. 

Just now, Ann O'Maly said:

Do some reading on Earth history, plate tectonics, and geological time

I have,  and I have come to the conclusion that the earth-wide flood is responsible for the layers we see on earth today.... and the movement of Pangea as it is today.  There is a model which explains much of it.  The flood was a destructive event with tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanos erupting and major movement of Teutonic plates  There are many geologists who say that there are too many unexplained phenomena when one holds onto the theory of evolution. 

 According to you - that which immediately puts and end to your endless speculation about evolution is of-topic - lol.

If you had an answer it would not be off topic

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

As for Babylon itself, it continued as a working city until roughly 700 CE, depending on how you measure "working". That's another 1,200 years.

Jer 29:10 

 “For this is what Jehovah says, ‘When 70 years at Babylon are fulfilled, I will turn my attention to you,a and I will make good my promise by bringing you back to this place.

We all know the Babylonian empire as a empire that dominated the world scene came to an end when Cyrus conquered it. Yes it continued for a long time after that as a city but not as an empire ever again.

So what are you trying to prove?