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1 hour ago, AlanF said:

layers in India

Why do you not rather talk about the highest mountains in the world which all have  fossils from the sea in its layers.  and the Cambrian explosion which brought forth in ONE layer all the different fossils and all are fully developed!

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

The Bible and the Watchtower Society are out of sync with reality.

The religion of evolution (which poses as a science) is out of whack with reality.

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

The DNA of the first three is found in all non-Africans today,

LOL - one can now determine the number of generations from the DNA......   and it does not go  far back.

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

Gobekli Tepi in Turkey is something like 12,000 years old

LOL Turkish propaganda.  The "handbag" is similar to the symbolism in ancient Assyrian depictions.  We all know that the dating of artifacts is a BIG scam.  One has to give the layer of the earth it was lifted from and then a mathematical formula is aplied to determine age.  If one does not give the layer of the earth it came from - different labs give totally different dating results for pieces of the same artifacts.

The universe cannot come from nothing. Energy had to come from somewhere.

On 12/28/2020 at 5:15 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

, I got it that we are out of sync with the majority scholastic view on this matter. So? We are out of sync with the majority scientific view on the origin of humankind, too.

Bravo! true! and be proud of it!

On 12/24/2020 at 12:10 AM, 4Jah2me said:

due to your jealousy of the True Anointed remnant.

YOU and Witness are the jealous ones - we work alongside the true anointed remnant

Any writer needs to sensor all the time if one wants to publish........ this is the hardest part of writing - to remove the excess!

I am too lazy for this now..... it is hard work!

45 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

And Warwick Bethel is worshipped by JWs.

In your mind yea! LOL.  You really show your logic and lie openly now.  Do not even go to the language line ......  even that is wrong! 

13 hours ago, Witness said:

organization has become the "temple" for JWs. 

No you have it wrong - we are serving at the foot of the throne!  on earth.  the earthly part of the courtyard is here on earth as a nation separate and in unity serving Jehovah.  Those who are not in peace and unity or have ulterior motives - those people leave!

Is 66:1 " This is what Jehovah says: “The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool.+Where, then, is the house that you could build for me,+And where is my resting-place?”

3 hours ago, AlanF said:

FIRST the 70 years are completed or fulfilled, and THEN the king is punished.

So how was Babylon punished after the 70 years?  Do you know?   

1 minute ago, Witness said:

I really don't care if you think I'm anointed or not. 

At least I agree with you on that.  It is not important to me BUT it is very important to you...... that is why you have hate-OCD.

8 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Date is disputed. Other non-WT models a

Yes - but non-WT models accept the 50 years and not 70 years.  WT chronology fits all the biblical events and the number of years the bible talks about.  We put biblical chronology above secular chronology ..... because we accept the bible as word of God. 

Many false Christian religions do not care if things match up.  They believe in a trinity, immortality of the soul, Jesus did not really die because he was immortal - he did not receive immortality as a reward for faithfulness to God etc. etc. ....So if these fundamental teachings are not important to them how can one expect them to challenge a few wrong years in the secular chronology? 

2 minutes ago, Witness said:

Why does the GB not want the anointed to meet together as one Body under Christ?

Because there are people like you who believe they are anointed because they only  want influence over others - a woman wanting influence over others...... I recall there is  a scripture in the bible about that  ?????? ....and now one of your avid admirers will answer and say I should not be sexist.... lol.

 That is why you criticize the true anointed because you want "position" or influence.   When you could not get this you turned to the only way open to you.... try to destroy them.  I recall there is an angel who also has this mental attitude.

You did not even answer my question because you have not ever thought about it!  I know you are not anointed  - because I have read the answers I have seen here on this forum.   This is all I have to say.  Do not bother to reply with hate-OCD because I will not read it.

13 minutes ago, Witness said:

‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 

I bet it has not crossed your mind even once that you could be that slave? 

14 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

However, keep giving them your wisdom. 

I do not think I have wisdom but all the studies I have done is to get a better understanding of the mindset and the cultures which  Israel was dealing with.  It is imperative to understand the mindset of ancient nations if one wants to understand the reasons behind their actions.  

Today I was looking at Roman culture in the time of Julius Caesar and realized how important rhetoric was in the senate.....and everywhere else a person wanted to be noticed.     No wonder they looked down on Paul because he was highly qualified spiritually (knowing the mosaic law as a Pharisee) but did not display rhetoric in the Greek way (he must have trained in it but refused to come to them with worldly wisdom and high-class behaviors) but in power of Jehovah's spirit and in humility!

3 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

nt that he had no clue what Gertoux or I were talking about

Maybe you are the one with no insight - because he may be correcting you and you are too obtuse to see it.

The fact that you cannot see the connection between the gods and the stars indicates that you have no clue of Babylonian culture.  They did not have science - religion was their 'everything' - superstition spells and all.

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

THE BOOK OF THE STARS

Thank you - I made a copy of your notes and will look at it when I have more time.  I noticed that you quoted a section which equates star with worship of certain gods.

This is what AlanF and his ilk do not understand and therefore reject the equation of the stars with the predictions and spells and associated health of people - they just see it as pure science and not as a religion.  Science as we know it today did not exist in ancient times in the entire middle east.....they observed the planets and stars as part of their religion. I quote: " 

 'The zodiacal constellations were made objects of false worship from early Mesopotamian times onward. Certain qualities were attributed to each of the different constellations, and these were then used in astrological predictions based on the particular position or relationship of the celestial bodies to the signs of the zodiac at any given time. As shown by the text at 2 Kings 23:5, such use of astrology was introduced into Judah by foreign-god priests whom certain kings had brought into the country. Jehovah God long before had prohibited such star worship on penalty of death.—De 17:2-7.

Astrology was a predominant facet of Babylonian worship. The predictions based on the zodiac by her astrologers, however, did not save Babylon from destruction, even as the prophet Isaiah had accurately forewarned.—Isa 47:12-15;  '

There are many scriptures referring to the disgusting practices associated with the star and moon worship which originated in Babylon.  Ur and Haran (both cities which Abraham lived in before crossing the Euphrates  in 1943 BCE) were moon god cities.

For example the star of Ishtar was associated with Venus - if you do not believe me go study some more.....  I am writing from memory.... You will recall that Ishtar   and Baal worship was the male and female fertility gods.  Babylon had the Ishtar gate.  

"So he put out of business the foreign-god priests, whom the kings of Judah had appointed to make sacrificial smoke on the high places in the cities of Judah and the surroundings of Jerusalem, as well as those making sacrificial smoke to Baʹal, to the sun, to the moon, to the constellations of the zodiac, and to all the army of the heavens."

Alan F is so dismissive of anything does not does originate with him..... thank goodness I have done my own research - not because I want to be smart - but because I love Jehovah and want to understand the background of the bible. 

35 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

You JWs seem to need to tell me how I'm feeling

You are forever interpreting my feelings - lol. ......  I am an African which you seem to forget - we always come over a bit strong.

30 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

When I was a JW

Some JWs fall into some kind of sin and do not feel repentant. They find Jehovahs laws too restrictive and then quickly disfellowship themselves before they are accountable for their misdeeds. 

There are not always good reasons for leaving Jehovah - while I believe this is rare possibility - it is not the rule. 

1 minute ago, 4Jah2me said:

I will not read into things to try to pretend they represent phrophecy ........... 

You sound like a family member of Noah..... 120 years.  Many years preaching and preparing the physical "sign" in front of them BUT their hearts remained like a stone.

Only when the rain started coming did they realize this is it because they had never seen rain before.  In about 7 months time I would like to see your observations and your scoffing again.   No signs EH? 

The horses which started running in 1914 is running much faster now and gaining momentum. Pangs of distress is already every minute....... 

4 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

This is of no concern to me BUT it did upset my wife. And when an Elder upsets my wife THAT IS of concern to me. 

I thing this is deceitful of you to say this.   I think you will find fault just because he dared to call about you.  The smallest thing will make you mad.

1 minute ago, 4Jah2me said:

have a vast knowledge of politics and you know

I know my bible prophecies and then look for the signs of it going into fulfillment.  I follow politics just to see what is going into fulfillment. The prophecies is my first love - not politics.

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

seems that 'time has been running out' since 1914 according to the Watchtower / JW Org. 

We have been calling it the perousia since then..... and now we are under world-wide lockdown and you are still scoffing...... lol.  The disgusting thing will be in your face and you will still scoff.

On 12/28/2020 at 7:10 PM, JW Insider said:

It's a zeal for God, just not according to accurate knowledge. We must always be learning.

I have only said that you are too smart for your own boots. Yes it is negative my comments - because your words are not leading people to jehovah but away from him..... so you obviously have an ego problem and love for yourself is more important than love for jehovah because you are causing confusion for others.  By the fruits you bear I know you.  

I had a lot of respect for you before but your deviations have become bolder and bolder.  So many teachings that you reject..... which are as clear as daylight. Being "nice" don't make what you say true. 

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

Watchtower history -- which demonstrably differs from biblical history.

I recently looked at the chronology again.  It cannot fit into the skewed secular dates.

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

Sumerian culture of 3,000 BCE from the Babylonian culture of 500 BCE.

The origin of the religion and use of the zodiac was the same.... nebuchadnezzar had his priests investigate livers and predict what he should do.  He had dreams which had to be interpreted...... superstition was just as rife as when the ziggurats first appeared. He went up in the ziggurats and slept with the priestess like the  other kings before him and he called his magicians and interpreters several times - as related in the bible.  

1 hour ago, AlanF said:

religiosity of the observer. The

Interpretations and superstitions  related to religion is important.  It shapes how people think and how they look for signs in the physical heavens.   Even in modern times people believe that the Christmas star was a good omen ...... that is ... if there was a star..... or something that looked like a star. 

22 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

Armageddon is only months away not years away

Of course he is thinking that things can escalate very quickly...... once the UN has their way and turn against all religion ....  things will move pretty fast