Arauna
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(Sorry.... could not copy entire quote: ) Your reasoning is sloppy. If one works back from babylonian era dates and it does not make sense in the time of asurbanipal - then logic should tell you there is a problem with your later dates....... they all should fit in and make sense. -
Especially if secular dates are based on the wrong biblical tkings. ..... .. I have come to a moronic conclusion that you are brilliant....... in insults! Hoping to see evidence of real scholarship....... not poop theories....
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You read about this somewhere and now everyone who does not agree with you has it. If a kid has a hammer then everything looks like a screw 'lol.
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What! I wonder who is the deceiver. However, I am not going to challenge Insider or you...... I do not trust you... you cherry pick from insight book what fits your opinion. I do not have time to argue with you or your "poop" theories. I rather read my insight book. I am pretty sure that bible chronology will withstand the test of time. It needs no stars foretell to justify it. The stars were used for superstitious purposes...... if you know babylonian culture well you will know this. It was not used for dating. It was used for predictions..... and their calculations were done in multiplications of 60 as well. I read through chronological events today again. The bible is an excellent time keeper - not as unreliable as ancient writings. Modern scholars have co d up with these star devises which are not airtight.
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You "think" it is just for the priviledged.... I have news for you.
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The astronomical data was linked to spells and events that could take place. I read through the old king lists years ago and there were no dates linked to them or data that could determine the date. These were later interpreted by scholars and while there is some degree of getting the succession right - the dates are by no means accurate. We start to see more accuracy with the olympiads.
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False - you accuse me of what you yourself do. I have looked at the olympiads and other evidence when your forefathers were still running with apes.
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You are patronizing Ann. JWs know what these are.
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The bible can stand on it's own feet - it needs no secular dates. Secular dates is just additional evidence.
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AlanF..... you have never said anything I could think about...... not once. Insider at least gives one something to consider..... or to be aware of (that is a compliment). Your replies are like the excrement they are still looking for in the wilderness of Sinai. According to you there should be overwhelminging evidence of poop in Sinai .......not like the overwhelming LACK of evidence in finding the interim stages in the fossil record...... no bones..... bones are harder than poop and yet ie. there are no bones to prove how the wing developed etc.
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I have looked it up so many times on internet - no matter what subject I look up regarding Persia...... one always gets the same date for the death of cyrus. There is NO dissent regarding this date.
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The scriptures are clear: Israel moved around and did not build permanent structures from mud bricks or stone. They had food provided for them by God and their poop was organic...... worms r molds could eat it. BUT the best kept secret is this: there is evidence that they were in Egypt (only 300 years earlier than the scholars say). In Avaris in the Delta region they have found Joseph's pyramid and 12 small pyramids for the fathers of the tribes. There is also an ancient canal called Joseph's canal. This existed approx. 3520 years ago. If you just read stuff against the bible you will never get to see the evidence which proves its historic authenticity.
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That is the prerogative of scholarly theories" which are accepted by peers who think too much of their own personal opinions.
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I was reading it this afternoon. I think you read into it what you want to. Since olympiads were like clockwork "major" events every four years - they are pretty reliable as a secondary source after the bible. Moon eclipses is a third resource. You throw things together that one must work out separately to get to the correct number...... you just threw in the lump nebuchadnezzar 18 year reign - sloppy...... sloppy.
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I was reading it this afternoon. I think you read I to it what you want to.
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It is an additional proof - not the only proof for the date.
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Was that in 1930 too?
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He is a bible student not a star gazer. He should accept bible chronological dates before he accepts the dates of people who were not historians...... but had other pagan occupations. People who by chance wrote hundreds of years later about events and quoted others in their work......... full lunar eclipses for example are not half eclipses...... it could be mistaken for the other, especially when copied from another's writings.
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I do not care about 1930 as I said to you before I am a baby- boomer..... any case I read the bible and follow only new light.
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I do not need your ' compliments.' ....or attention. Satan was always accusing jehovah of the very acts that he was perpetrating. Do you understand that phenomena?
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There is no jealousy. We all receive work and gifts from jehovah - Anointed means that you are selected for a purpose - a job. The 'utensils ' of the temple were anointed for a specific purpose./ job..... set apart for jehovah. The anointed are selected to rule...... the others are not lesser vessels. The glory we bring to jehovah by our dedicated lives is just as important as that which obedient angels give or the 'bride'. All obedient ones are beautiful in the eyes of jehovah. The moral standards the Angel's follow, the anointed follow and the other sheep follow are all the same....... and all are "universally " judged by these same standards. We are equal under God...... jehovah has no special treatment for anyone- especially if they break his law. The law of sin is death. If you were born imperfect you have the ransom to help you........ if you sin after this you go into second death ....... where satan and his demons and Adam and eve and Judas (and suchlike ones) will be.
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So even if there is historical (olympiads) evidence we MUST have astronomical evidence according to you.......because this is the only evidence that will be conclusive...... even though there is proof that one must not put too much store on incomplete descriptions of "heavenly events" which could be misleading and often were copied from events written down by other writers. Please read the section in the insight book about eclipses. Ptolemy wrote about the stars 600 years after events in Babylon and cannot be verified as historically accurate because there is no other documents to verify it..... and its chronology creates great confusion with Asurbanipals reign. .....who claimed his father's campaigns for himself. It does not add up. Therefore, the bible is our best source of chronology ..... not the stars. Interestingly the Cyrus cylinder was found in Babylon - not in any capital of Persia. It is written in Akkadian - which is the ancient diplomatic language of the King of Kings in chaldea and assyria - a title which originated in Babylon in Akkadian. (Nimrod was the first to conquer other city-states in Assyria and chaldea - the original tradition comes from there!) It was a title given to kings who conquered both chaldea and Assyria in the numerous wars between the 2 regions. Nebuchanezzar is called the king of Akkad. In this Cyrus cylinder, Cyrus claimed that the God of Babylon, Marduk, gave him his crown to bring peace to the realm and send displaced peoples back. An indication that he received his crown as king of kings at this location. He was the first king to appoint Satraps. He had done this when he conquered Croesus (minted gold coins) and many other territories before appointing Darius the Mede as Satrap at Babylin. He did leave Babylon to go back to Ecbatana where he had a summer palace. The decree to rebuild Jerusalem was later found at Ecbatana (Ezra 6). But interestingly the cyrus cylinder has an event on it which happened after he brought order to the city - some time after 539 bce: "It extols Cyrus as a benefactor of the citizens of Babylonia who improved their lives, repatriated displaced people and restored temples and cult sanctuaries across Mesopotamia and elsewhere in the region. It concludes with a description of how Cyrus repaired the city wall of Babylon and found a similar inscription placed there by an earlier king."
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My brother - I give you a handshake. You understand the true Christian mindset. These people, who think themselves anointed Christians, do not have the Christian traits. They could do a better study of Ephesians 4 " Therefore I, the prisoner in the Lord, appeal to you to walk worthily of the calling with which you were called, 2 with all humility and mildness, with patience, putting up with one another in love, ..............Put away from yourselves every kind of malicious bitterness, anger, wrath, screaming, and abusive speech, as well as everything injurious. 32 But become kind to one another, tenderly compassionate, freely forgiving one another just as God also by Christ freely forgave you."
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You sure think you know it all - so I step down. I am not contentious.... no arguments to satisfy your wish for contention.
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The meek shall inherit the earth - together with Abraham, Noah, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Enoch. Since the same Christian principals apply to both anointed and those who receive earthly resurrection, the new testament must be read just as much and enthusiastically by all. It is good for teaching and correction in righteousness for all who want to live a clean and faithful life.
