Arauna

His own disciples did not believe him when he fist uttered these words so how would worldly people react? Only after they saw and believed Jesus' resurrection would they remember these words and write it down so disciples could read it in the gospels. Other people may have heard rumors but definitely the MAJORITY did not take note - just as in the time of the flood. And that is exactly what Matthew indicates that most people would not listen and few would take note - just as in the flood. The gospels were a warning to the Christians to stay vigilant because the generation itself took no note and carried on with their rebellions against the Romans - it means they did not understand the significance of the times at all. When they understood the signs (the Romans in the city - fighting block to block to get control of it - it was already too late. They did not show faith in Jesus to begin with so why would they suddenly believe his words? Christians who did not flee when they were supposed to may have understood - but it was too late for them. They understood events when it was too late. Similarly today - most Christians do not even know that they must watch out for the disgusting thing..... they are carrying on over the mark of the beast (electronic tracking system on their arm or somewhere else) when they do not even understand the significance of Jesus' death of his soul. They do not know the name Jehovah and do not understand the disgusting thing...… and that it will turn against all religion - that which we already know and believe.

if one could win a Nobel prize for thumbsuck - you would win it every year!

You tried that one on me too! Playing mind games? Heh?

Yes - they felt the effect when the "disgusting thing" was right at the gates of Jerusalem and they had no food. agreed. But they did not 'understand' the Parousia or the time to flee because they did not accept the new scriptures. The first time the Romans left when Vespasian went back to fight for his rule - ALL Christians (only Christians) understood the SIGN - the others DID NOT!!! The scripture quoted in Thess above is not about the specific tribulation suffered in Jerusalem - no matter how much you try to give that meaning to the words. One cannot throw all scripture that talks about tribulation together like in a hodgepodge without context. The Christians were the only ones who knew how to look out for the signs to flee. We are now ready to look out for similar SIGNS. When the disgusting thing (UN) is in place we will know it and see it. Will the rest of the world see what we see? Will expect the UN to suddenly turn against all religions and then stand in the "holy place' for eminent destruction? NO. They will be caught off guard just like those people who in their thousands went into Jerusalem for the final Passover in 70CE.

I do not agree with this statement. Only the Christians knew about this prophecy. The Pharisees did not accept Jesus and hence his warnings about the Parousia was not noticed by them. Neither did the Romans know about the prophecy. Enemies of Jehovah contributed to the fulfillment of the Parousia in Jesus' generation but they did not know about the prophecy...… hence it was not unmistakable to them. To the Christians when the Romans (disgusting thing) stood in the holy place they recognized it and fled. Those who did not immediately obey were stuck in the city. Those of weak faith would have been stuck like all the other Jews that actually all were streaming into Jerusalem for the Passover. There is no way they saw all the signs otherwise they would not have come into the city for the Passover. The only thing I do agree with is that it was not invisible - the romans coming into the city - otherwise they would not recognize the sign...…

Yes - if it means to correct her so she does not lose her everlasting life - then I am showing love. If I ignored her she will have had no warning... but she persists in her misleading arguments. She asked me question and I told her Jesus was in Tartarus when he preached to the demons.... she has not come back to me but taunts me with something else - abyss, hades... etc...….so she is negating the truth. I am sad for her..... I do not even have a drop of animosity towards her. She is digging a hole deeper for herself - I have no control over that. Neither do I have animosity against you - not like the open hatred you express for JWs and the GB...…when I say you have OCD it is merely a way to express how you always go back to the same old same old modus operandi...… always predictable. it is your default..... you go back to that when you do not know what to say.

True - and they will only come to this conclusion when evidence seem to point on this direction. When a person afterwards takes them to court do you think that person had the right heart condition ? Were they sinning and then avoided the consequences of their pattern of deceit? Not repenting for what they were involved with?

How naïve you are. What prohibits a person who has consensual encounters to say they were raped? … after the fact.

Unfortunately, characteristics are not the same. Go to Pakistan and say anything Christian and you may be falsely accused of blasphemy by someone who will lie about you. It is taught behavior (call it indoctrination if you like). Prejudices of societies make them who they are. In south Africa we did encounter racists - and I used this example before.... Speak to a racist and say that all races will be living together in future paradise.... see what answer you get. " I do not want a future with one of them!" Question: Who closed the Kingdom for that person... The JW, by mentioning all will share the same hopes, loves aspirations etc.... or did the person's own attitude close the kingdom for him. many people gladly adopt the prevalent attitudes of their country. i.e. Most swedes do not believe there is a god and they are comfortable with this and do not want to talk about it. Those who indicate an interest in god are the exeptions. Same in many countries with other religions..... the prejudices are inbuilt and most like it this way. I did hear that it was the poorer classes in India (the untouchables) that were coming in the truth. Those who are affected by the hateful caste system... so they also have new laws brought in my Mohdi (right-wing leader) to dissuade conversions. Totally agreed. Jehovah knows his sheep. and the field service is directed by the angels. Sometimes we reach people by accident or just plain miracle...

She does not even understand the ransom sacrifice - this is mudslinging? She calls herself a teacher of God's word and may mislead many other people - including some lackeys here on this forum. I show her up for what she is.

They hate our guts..... And I think personally - living here in Georgia where Russia is stealing part of the country every night by moving the fence - that they will eventually re-occupy parts of the old soviet union to fulfill the part in Daniel speaking of the "flooding". Daniel 11: from verse 36 to end. After a major international incident like re-occupying old territories... and China occupying areas in the south china seas...… warlike actions...… the UN and other countries will step in to provide the "peace" before all-out supersonic war breaks out... it is easier to control populations in other ways. Russia has made alliances with all the renegade countries - they sell weapons to Iran, (Pakistan Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan etc) friends with Syria, economic relations with China. They are extending their "ports" al over the world just like china has been doing. They have a port in Syria and now are in Libya - fighting the proxy war no doubt to get access to the port to have greater access to the Mediterranean sea. Things are moving ahead slowly to the situation called Armageddon. Yea, both Russia and China believe that their first revolutions would have worked better if there was enough wealth to go around for everyone. (they ignore how they murdered so many farmers and food providers). So neo-communism, as I call it, got a little facelift. Capitalism was used by the central governments (they own most of the assets) to increase individual wealth (but mind-you not too much - the state must remain the supreme power) so everyone buys into the idea that communism is a fabulous government system...…. then the clamps came down. Religion of the state. Luckily the orthodox church has been a good vehicle for religion of the state so they are the only religions not receiving flack but in China - very little persona choices are allowed regarding religion. So king of the north did receive a bit of a capitalistic facelift in the hands of the central government - all powerful. The oligarchs are working together with the digitech super-capitalists of the world to govern a new world where science will rule supreme and bring the fourth technical/industrial revolution. NO place for God in these plans. Putin is now president for life and so his plans are going ahead. From their perspective the world really looks hunky-dory. They are getting all that they can wish for because USA is drastically weakening itself from within and the petro-dollar has already fallen. Iron and clay (the extreme humanist philosophy and part of the Roman law that is still left in society) is not mixing and acrimony is openly displayed everywhere.

They were NOT in the abyss - they were in TARTARUS my dear! AND I DO NOT MEAN THE TARTARUS FROM GREEK LEGEND. YOU are the false teacher! You do not know the basics that most JWs are taught in the first year of study. I have known this from my first year of study. That is why you do not believe that Jesus put his soul in death! - READ Isaiah 53. this is the dreaded scripture which Jews avoid because it is a prophecy about Jehovah putting the soul of Jesus in death. He did not just die a 'physical' death as you indicate above. You do not even understand the ransom. You are not fit to teach a beginner JW - they will know more than you..... And you were angry with the GB because they would not allow you to teach in the congregations!! I should hope not!

It is NOT a surprise for JWs to find out that all those people (who never ever knew about Jehovah and the bible and lived in remote areas of the earth before the death of Christ - ) will be amongst those who get a resurrection during the 1000 years and they will be taught about Jehovah and all will be tested at the end of 1000 years as perfect people. It is not a surprise for JWs because we READ and STUDY revelation 20. We do not make up our own narrative as we go along. This proves to me the logic of Jehovah (that the bible is true) - that jehovah absolutely thought through every aspect of his plan. You forget I used to preach to Muslims and other people who challenged the logic of the bible. If Jehovah says that at the end of the 1000 years there will be a test - a judgment by letting satan loose (people will all know Jehovah from the new scrolls that are opened) the test will be fair - we cannot say we do not like it. Just as Jehovah had the right to test adam and eve he has the right to test EVERYONE as a perfect person. Jehovah is the ultimate sovereign and he decides his plan..... we obey. We do not REJECT the word of Jehovah and make up our own stories as we go along.

Playing games? It does not hide the hate-OCD.

Like most Judas-imitators you have a severe virus of hate- OCD and are so arrogant that you think all JWs worship people and cannot think for themselves. You cannot think for yourself that God may have a world-wide organization on earth. Please tell me where there is another world-wide organization that teaches people about Jehovah. If you cannot answer this question - do not bother to answer me.

Only to those who hate Jehovah and his people

Well, they are coming and violently arresting JWs in the middle of the night with terrorist squads as if witnesses are terrorists..... throwing the elderly on the ground as if the are dangerous people. They know we carry no guns and refuse their military training. it is pure theatre so the neighbors can really get the idea that these people have weapons and secretly plotting against the government or something. The New world bible translation has been banned as dangerous material. In China too - the only bible allowed is the state translation where all scriptures have been removed that they do not like. Conscientious objectors (we know who they are ) - their body parts are used in the thousands of transplants they do per year. It is easy to deny this...… this proves the bias. Yes others are persecuted too but not in such as violent way..... but this will also ensue when ALL religion will be removed...… soon on the UN agenda.

No - I do not think so because if Satan was bound in the abyss there would be peace on earth - the scripture in revelation says that he would not be able to mislead any of the people on earth..... . Please give the period you think he was bound in the abyss.

I bet you would say the same of Jona who ran away from God and later wrote an inspired book called Jona, Aaron who made a calf, Moses who hit the stone instead of speaking to it and wrote Genesis, exodus etc., David who murdered and committed adultery and later wrote many of the Psalms... I can go on. The GB live dedicated lives and their mistakes are ones that any human could make…… but your self-righteousness made you a self-appointed judge of them and in effect an opposer of Jehovah...…all your comments are only negative. OCD-negative. You cannot give them credit of anything they have done well...….. like managing a world-wide preaching commission.

That means you are very gullible to believe this story. They usually do not disfellowship if someone goes to ask advice of elders in such cases and tell the truth. I do not know the details of this story but it seems she was discovered by other means and was not honest and upfront. How do you work with someone like that? ..... and then she took revenge by going to court...... she really sounds very repentant! Lol!

So can you give me a date or time period when he was released because I do not recall a period in human history when there was calm and tranquility on the earth...… with him being bound up and all....

while the condition of the heart is important - this is the criteria: New American Standard Bible "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' One cannot fool Jehovah. Interestingly this translation uses the words "practice " of lawlessness. Judas was a practicer of lawlessness. When he dipped his fingers into the money the first time, he could have confessed to Jesus and received forgiveness but he hardened his heart and kept on with his practice of stealing. It gave Satan an opportunity to enter his heart an defy Jesus and go ahead with being complicit in his death by assisting the authorities to recognize him. Are there any here who will assist the authorities to put Jesus' true followers in jail?

Consensual sex and then when you are found out you claim abuse? …. who ever posted this story and who believes it, is terribly naïve. Fishy - very fishy...… her attitude in taking them to court proves she was not innocent because she wants revenge. She got it. Now we will see if she is ever repentant. Does not seem she is repentant of her behavior though....

Be kind to each other...…. … do you not 'see' the subversive attitudes here, apart from the openly hate-OCD crowd? I ignored Srecko's earlier reference to know if we believe we are anointed...…to be the bride in heaven. It is none of his business.... He can look at our love for Jehovah and our understanding of scripture .....just as the people in Jesus' day had Jesus' words to go by to believe if he was the son of god. …. but he is also sporadically imitating the hate-gang. I doubt any of them here are searching for real understanding of any issues relating to the bible. They are here to sow doubt, hate, and unbalance the weak.... and pick arguments with us to keep us from doing the more important stuff.... and get us to snap at each other. I come here when I have excess time... and it does help me to keep sharp.... to personally think things through..... although there is no other benefit to me personally - arguing with spiritual renegades and self-righteous, clueless Pharisees that do not know much of the bible but constantly break others down to help further the goals of their father - John 8:44. I still like writing …. even though I just write like I speak here.... so that is why I meander back here. My loyalty to Jehovah and his word is genuine...… that is why I can see through the fakes here that constantly tell me I serve the GB and neglect Jehovah. ….. I can see their self-righteous attitudes and get the feeling of what Jesus went through went he constantly had to face enemies trying to discredit him in public. In the end Satan won.... and the betrayal came from Judas - the inner circle JWs do the preaching and warning job Jehovah gave them to do.....(they have the slave Matt 24:45) but they are not perfect (unlike Jesus) and make many mistakes just like Jonah and many of the other people used by Jehovah. The fundamental teachings of JWs are spot-on... so why would I move to any other place that does not teach the truth about Jehovah's name, the true condition of death etc. These guys are here to discredit the GB - and they used to be part of the JW before. The old deceiving patterns and warnings Jehovah gave us is at work here....coming from the renegade inner circle..... and I am constantly aware of this. Similar to the time of Jesus, the hate-OCD people will eventually win (as the Pharisees did) and they will sit and enjoy it with glee....until Jehovah himself steps in....

agreed. Yes - not to take sides in political battles will soon (once again) test our faith. Christians are so quick to grab their guns and they still think they can call themselves a Christian. Nationalism, patriotism, racial demonstrations and racial issues, cultural revolutions - these are all part of the iron and clay that do not mix. We do not want to be part of that!