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I do not see any signs that satan is now in the abbys -do you? it seems like he is doing a pretty good job of ruining the earth and the humans in it..... the bride of Christ will join the groom in heaven - this takes place before Armageddon because they will assist Jesus during Armageddon.

you clump all these concepts together as if they are one concept. they are not - so I do not agree with you. Sheol is a state of no consciousness - common grave of mankind. … A

I think the story of Abraham was written down for our instruction. what was the outcome? Jehovah could find not even 5 righteous people in the city. Their destruction was justified. It teaches us to NOT expect Jehovah t ever be unrighteous and unjust. It is a deviation to question Jehovah's justice. Next step is to deny that Jehovah is just and get some excuse for the wicked. In tonight's bible study Jehovah told job to study nature to learn more about Jehovah. we can end up asking too many questions of Jehovah before we even think of obeying - that is dangerous ground. who can stand before Jehovah - not one. It is Jehovah's mercy and the fact that he keeps in mind that we are mere flesh (and ransom) which allows us to come before him. what does Jehovah expect from us than to be without spot from the world, merciful and just and our clothes washed clean - righteous and in peace with the "mark" of a Christian personality.

not according to WT theology - please read those scriptures I quoted above and the check out the sequence of events.... Apologies - I left the footnotes in by accident ….. but I have taken them out now. Please go read the BIBLE again (Quoted above) - and do not keep YOUR OWN preconceived ideas in your mind. Your prejudices are showing - do you not accept what the bible says? That is what the BIBLE says!

Good point to think about. No offence taken - I never take things personal.... I do however take offence when people use the word of Jehovah and put their own twist on it: What about the following sequence do you not understand? The bible is clear..... on the sequence of events and what takes place. Revelation 19:2 For he has executed judgment on the great prostitute who corrupted the earth with her sexual immorality, (Babylon the Great (world empire of false religion) has fallen). 6. And I heard what sounded like a voice of a great crowd and like the sound of many waters and like the sound of heavy thunders. They said: “Praise Jah, because Jehovah: our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king! (Only the worship of the true God is now left over and soon all earthly governments will be removed). 9........ And he tells me, “Write: Happy are those invited to the evening meal of the Lamb’s marriage.” 11. I saw heaven opened, and look! a white horse And the one seated on it is called Faithful and True, and he judges and carries on war in righteousness...... (Armageddon starts) 17. Come here, be gathered together to the great evening meal of God, and the flesh of horses and of those seated on them,and the flesh of all, of freemen as well as of slaves and of small ones and great.” 20. And the wild beast was caught, and along with it the false prophet that performed in front of it the signs with which he misled those who received the mark of the wild beast and those who worship its image. While still alive, they both were hurled into the fiery lake that burns with sulfur. The whole earthly system is now detroyed. So what happens AFTER destruction of satans system. Revelation 20: 2. He seized the dragon, the original serpent,...……….. And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.………………. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years. (The 144,000 now start to rule - the purpose of the covenant with them for a kingdom now comes into effect - gets life.7. Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, (The bible is clear when this will take place.) So if satan and his demons are bound they would no longer have influence on the earth (there will be remarkable peace do you not think so? Do you see any peace on earth now? So it cannot be now....... ) at the end of the 1000 years judgement day - all those resurrected and even those who lived through armageddon will be tested as perfect people. They will literally come to 'life' (receive life) at the end of the 1000 years. People who now already are obedient to jehovah and teach others to do the same will not fall under the spell of satan. The bible does show that those who rebel will be destroyed forever. The righteous ones find delight in obeying jehovah..... and are looking forward to do this forever! So if jehovah decides to test those on earth as perfect people at end of 1000 years - are you going to rebel against that and demonstrate with a placard ...... that is unfair etc etc. or accept the fact that Jehovah knows what he is doing.

While I myself wish that all of them would accept the truth because they are a humble people, I doubt it. I have worked a lot with these ancient cultures. Tradition is so important in their lives and women especially in rural areas are often murdered for disobedience to husbands or fathers. The idea that a woman carries the family honor is very prevalent. I do not like those ugly gods.... and the worship of animals etc.... Islam despises idols but their other practices are just as horrible - it is very hard for people to break free. A minimum study of 6 years. I leave these problems in Jehovah's hands. He will judge perfectly. I should have clarified this better. Apologies. Of course the flood, Sodom and Gomorra were periods in which judgment with the penalty of death was rendered. But judgement is not always adverse or a condemnation as many people believe. “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7 The 1000 year reign is a judgment Day but for many the judgment will be favorable not adverse. New scrolls will be opened and people will be judged by their actions and obedience to these scrolls in this time - especially those who receive a resurrection and they had never even known Jehovah before.

The government of Jehovah is sure to come - it is not just a promise. It will come when Jehovah says the time is right. That is why the GB urge us to preach and fulfill the commission given by Jehovah. Do you preach as the new testament continually urges us to do?

To cause sterility. Forgot to say.

Appologies- could not highlight entire quote. I have watched my brothers and sisters for the last few years standing in very public places with carts. I have thought about this and seen how everyone walks by..... but one will see the odd person take literature. Usually there are several languages on a cart. Word has got out because we have an Indian family in our group as well as a young doctor. The Indian family attend our meeting from India. Many of the Indian students come to cheaper countries like Georgia to study for doctor - we had visitors on many weekends prior to the lockdown. Sometimes up to 5 visitors. We also know of 2 Philippine congregations in Saudi arabia. Congregations formed by migrant workers. I think we should not underestimate the spread of our work - especially when it is so public! One cannot miss it. Even le there is just one family in an area of a few miles..... they can stand with a public cart. I really believe jehovah exists and therefore truly believe that the angels are working alongside us to get those informed who need to be informed. The marking work is going on as we speak! Our persecution in many countries is also drawing attention to our work. Modi is a far-right president and it is bringing attention to the plight of christians..... right-hearted ones will see the discrimination. Poor people are down to earth and have nothing to lose. They are often more astute than the rich and they are the ones who accept the truth.

Then these people that do not like what jehovah says must have a talk with jehovah. Noah's uncles, aunts, father and mother did NOT go in ark with him and the bible says the entire world was condemned through his obedience. The world was so wicked and violent yet it did not bother these people - they went on with their normal lives asif nothing is wrong. In the time of Moses, most Egyptians went on as though their God would protect them - even after the miracles coming from jehovah - they had no fear of the true God. Some Egyptians left with the Israelites.. I hope that jehovah shows who he is in this time of end by means of us - there may be physical signs... even this lock down should make them think. But they remain asleep . Some have asked where we are. Most see the escalating wickedness , violence, child trafficking, racism, hate, acrimony, lies and do not think for a moment about God. They keep watching their immoral shows on netflex and entertainment. and join the political hate fests..... listening to propaganda and the crowd control. There are countries where we are not allowed and one faces a death penalty for worshipping another God....... jehovah is the great compensator. On an individual basis he will judge these, make sure evidences of us are around. I have spoken to large swathes of these religious people and come to the conclusion that most PREFER these traditions. I am convinced jehovah will give most a chance to hear about him. World events and the news are such that most are getting an opportunity to think about their lives - but DO they? Wickedness and violence is escalating everywhere and yet they are not sighing over it. Their spiritual consciousness does not ask questions. Most in free countries are going with the crowd. I hope that those who refuse the beasts machinations may join us in prison, where we will have opportunity to study with them.

Abraham knew jehovah and his name. ... and walked with Him. Most cities in those days had a priest-king of the chief deity. Abraham met melchisedek a priest-king of jehovah, (directly appointed by jehovah) and paid to him tithes. I have no doubt that jehovah helped abraham to understand that a future priest-king would rule in a city ( organised society) in which humans would have perfection and all follow gods directions. When I worked in the Muslim field my appreciation for jehovah's arrangements and the administration of his purpose grew exponentially. It is a harsh religion and the events are all over the place - no logic at all. In steps jehovah, who has logically thought of absolutely everything in his plans. All people that do not serve Allah must die or are condemned to pay "jizya" I would ask them about all the millions of people who lived before mo.h.a..m.a.d came to earth and maybe lived in China, remote areas etc ...... these people did not know Jesus, Mohammad - should they not get a chance? I would ask them if it was just and fair for God to not give these people a chance to get to know Him. The reasonable persons immediately saw the point. I would then read selected parts of Revelation 20. Showing that 1000 years is allocated in gods plan for these ones to be resurrected and learn about the the true God. They will learn that idolatry is wrong, adultery etc. This is a judgment day for them....... because they will receive justice and see the mercy of jehovah. God is merciful. Judgement is NOT condemnation...... (most people think this way),a judgment came after both sides of a case was heard and a fair chance was given them to explain. The 1000 years will give justice to those with a good heart condition who had never even heard of the bible, or jehovah. They will learn the language of truth and jehovah will give them a chance for everlasting life. What a merciful God to give a second opportunity (after resurrection) where the truth is taught! Judgement day of 1000 years is a beautiful time of education and restoration! Of justice for the oppressed and ignorant.. a time when the physical earth will be restored and many people see the justice and live of jehovah for humankind. They will then have opportunity to prove their loyalty to God ((with knowledge of the issues involved ) as perfect people. Unfortunately, some will be like Adam and some will not appreciate the mercy given them. Children for destruction.

The bible uses the picture "like sand of sea" ........ this means an undeterminable amount. (Jehovah can count the sea pebbles if he can count our hair.)..... but jehovah will NOT predetermine the number of rebels because this depends on free will and personal choice. There will be quite a number though, because (if I remember correct) they come up over the earth for war with the holy ones and will be consumed by fire. So some form of rebellion will again take place against jehovah which will culminate in hate of his people. ...... rebellion against the "holy ones" ......

I just realized that Satan and his demons (although they originally belonged to the realm of the heaven (jehovah's presence) they were allowed back into heaven until their place was found in heaven no more. They were disfellowshipped from heaven and thrown down to earth for the last days. Armageddon in heaven (the cleaning up of heaven ) took place when Jesus was crowned. Here the demons are completing their destruction of society and will soon go into the abyss. After this they will be released for a short while after the 1000 years for their final chance to mislead those who want to follow their own desires. Their death will not occur anywhere near the presence of jehovah because jehovah hates death - even the condition of death - as is clearly brought out in the instructions of the Mosaic law. Just before their destruction they will be in the realm of the earth not heaven....

I hope so - but if not, I am content to obey and live forever....

They recently let loose genetically engineered mosquitos in florida… because they carry west Nile virus etc. … it is really troubling how scientists are playing at being god and just genetically engineer what they want. any animal that eats mosquitoes will have adverse effects. Monarch also died like flies when their food source was genetically engineered.

They lived for the purpose that Jehovah created them for and adapted to wicked humans and still survived. They suffered terribly as Tom said... especially in war time. I think animals did not eat meat - (I do not believe all these fabricated stories of the T. Rex eating meat) but some animals may have been used to clean up the earth, eating carrion. But I think we will have to wait and see in the new system. Now it is only speculation.

It will really be a stupid person that will rebel again... but at end of 1000 years some will choose to. The fact that Satan and demons are going to die and Jesus did die after (we do not know how long he was with his father) being with his father - proves that living forever in obedience to Jehovah and immortality is not the same. Jesus was not immortal... so there is a difference which one can meditate on.

Yes only humans have eternity in their hearts. But at present the entire creation is suffering due to Adam's sin. Animals are abused etc. Animals have been having babies and doing their thing for millennia - almost perfectly. But when their mitochondria die - they die. Humans have added stress to the animals. To see genetic defects amongst them used to be rare but it is now becoming more and more prevalent due to pollution in the environment and other stressors. Their environments are being destroyed by man and they are being used as a commodity - for medicine etc.

Only adam and eve were tested as perfect beings. We all will be tested at the end of the thousand years as perfect beings. … Large scale death as result of inherited sin will never ever happen again... ever... and the causes of these deaths as well. The hypothesis arises that if a person in 10 billion years time does as Satan has done.... (although the chances are slim as all will have been tested as perfect sons at end of 1000 years, and perfect people really have to think a lot about being renegade to put deeds into action) Jehovah will have a legal precedent to just remove them. Death is the penalty for sin. Jehovah legally has proven that no one can rule or be rebellious against him without bringing dire consequences to everyone around them. Jehovah may revoke the person's right to life. The fact that people die from SIN in this system due to inheritance from Adam - this will never ever happen again. Never ever will Jehovah allow a universal court case to settle the issues (which is now ongoing) to prove that independence from him does not work. The suffering of humans now will never ever happen again.

1john 3: The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil. All the results of satan's activities will be removed forever - which includes death. Genesis 3:22 'Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad.+ Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life+ and eat and live forever,*—” The test at end of 1000 years will truly test human's loyalty as perfect individuals - a second test will not be needed to know that they will remain loyal to Jehovah. Jehovah will provide everything needed to sustain their life forever. However, they will never have their own source of life - something which Jesus and 144000 is granted. immortality and incorruptibility.

The bible calls Satan the father (originator) of murder …… murder is an action which leads to death. John 8:44. He is called a murderer because he deceived Eve which led to her death. Jehovah is only a god of life..... He never planned for any to die. Satan originated death because no one died before Satan's act of rebellion or no other heavenly creature rebelled against Jehovah before Satan's rebellion. Jehovah allows testing but Satan is the one who brings bad things upon us to tempt us. James 1:13. New international version : 13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; Since all humans will be tested at the end of the 1000 years - as "perfect" humans just as Adam was tested. Those who remain faithful will have proven as perfect people that they are similar to Jesus - loyal to Jehovah and his laws. They will get to eat of the "tree of life". The tree that was also in the garden of Eden. To add to Sreckos thoughts: Yes, adam knew what is was to return to dust because animals did die. They were not created to live forever. The bible says that Jehovah put it in the hearts of man to want to live forever. Although animals instinctively protect their life and look after their young and even put away food for the future - they do not think as humans do about living in future. Humans can picture a future in their mind. Humans are also moral individuals - animals are not.... there is more one can say about this but I hope you get the picture. Ecclesiastes 3:11English Standard Version (ESV) 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.

Yes, these militant atheists are gaining strength. As your article states, they hate any form of spirituality and particularly hate JWs because we do the work of spreading the truth about the bible. We are a special cult deserving of hateful attack. I am not surprised that he is working with China because China has systematically been eradicating any form of religion; only allowing worship of the state. They have been using the organs of "conscientious objectors" together with Falun Gong …. more than 10,000 transplants per year of organs harvested from religious groups without their consent. Many people still have the idea that China is a good country to live in. They cite that they have had children study there. However, foreigners used to have a good time before, they were not censured in their personal freedom like the Chinese citizens. Now the CCP have started to clamp down on foreigners as well. Many foreigners are leaving the country. One can see that these countries are part of the King of the north. Russia and China are both expanding their ports in the world...they have moved into many parts of the world and by devious means obtaining the wealth of the earth such as rare earth minerals, control of fishing areas etc. As seen in Daniel 11: 36 to the end of chapter. Their partners are previous soviet countries, Iran, turkey, Syria. Russia now has control of a port in Syria and now expanding into Mediterranean in Libya. Russia annexed Crimea and control the entire Black-sea area there. Encroaching on the land in the rest of Crimea as well. If anyone had doubts that we are living in the time of the end …… they must re-examine the scripturas and look at what is really going on in the world. I console myself that Jehovah will judge these wicked people who love control of other people. The history of Pharaoh and the ten plagues is wonderful. We are doing it at present and it gives me faith that Jehovah may use signs again to "I shall prove to be". The signs are starting. The world-wide lockdown is a first for the entire planet in all its history since the flood. Noah was locked down for more than a year but now the people of the entire planet is in lockdown - not just one family. Yes lift up your heads..... scoffers of Jehovah believe that things will improve … that this is just a normal cycle of civilization going down….. but civilization will rise again. Well, the time is close for Jehovah and his name to be vindicated. All those killed by these evil people will get a resurrection..... that comforts me... and helps me to put trust only in Jehovah.

Since disobedience lto jehovah leads to death there was no death in heaven until satan turned against jehovah and lied to mislead Adam. Satan is the originator (father) of death. Thereafter angels disobeyed jehovah. They are deteriorating but will be put to second death by jehovah.

@4Jah2me genesis 3:15. This is the first prophecy in the bible and predicts enmity between the seed (Jesus), the seed's offspring and satans offspring. It indicates that Jesus would be hurt in the heel but that satan's head would be crushed. A crushed head is a symbol of everlasting destruction.

What about the above scriptures quoted by Cesar do you not understand.