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It is a good example though..... I was making a point Is that not viewed as such in the bible? But that does not make you rethink your situation? I feel for you but you are doing it to yourself by your stubborn attitude. Instead you prefer to always rale against the organization that taught you the truth about the ransom sacrifice and god's name. Without them you would not have been in the privileged position you were in. But like an unthankful dog you still bite the hand that fed you. Think what you are doing to yourself. You seem to be all over the place! All it take is a little humility! There were anointed in first century that were shunned and came back! I am sure if they saw these persons in private they would definitely apologize (even though they personally were not the perpetrators)…… but you obviously do not understand the implications of legally apologizing..... that is totally a different matter. We JWs do NOT condone pedophilia ….or any form of porneia…... so why should we apologize in court or public for something we as an organization we do not condone? The organization has sinning individuals in it and in this world the entire system is imperfect - and to top this off one cannot expect 100% perfect way of dealing with every case. Expecting this would expect perfection, perfect judgment and seeing into everyone's heart! Ask your self - how would I have done if I had to judge this matter. Bring me any organization that has dealt with pedophilia perfectly a 100 percent of the time! Legal organizations cannot even do it - and they have child psychologists top advisors - the lot! This is why the Australian government had the inquiry in the first place because there were gaps in the laws they needed to close up! I think I know more than most about the Jews, the Muslims and some other religious denominations where pedophilia and child suffering is much worse than people can ever dream it to be...… but yet these ignorant people do not expect perfect case handling from them - if a case ever comes to the fore.... lol - because people are too afraid of the religious leaders. This is like expecting a fools dream in the real world. But they expect 100% perfect case handling from JWs. Pedophilia is everywhere is very prevalent an even covered up in courts of law (Epstein, gangs in UK). There is a case that went on for several years in Brooklyn USA in the ultra orthodox Jewish community. A Jewish school teacher fled to Israel (the school paid her flight because her husband was a Rabbi) and because she was prominent the accusers could not get her extradited for several years from Israel - the government and Rabbis covered it up in Israel..... Nothing much in newspapers. Not to speak of UK where the court system covers up big-time. So why should we apologize for not handling every case that comes up with perfection..? When courts themselves find it hard to find enough evidence to convict? DO you live under a rock or something when you expect 100 percent people in JWs to never have a secret sinner? …. And when we do get enough proof and shun a sinner then then you are the first guys to criticize this? Where is the sympathy for the shunned person you say? This kind of double speak or double tongue is often found in those who do not understand both sides of this issue. Yes - those are the very ones who have been disciplined by JW and turned to defaming.... but they do not tell the public that they were sinning or in which capacity.... One question: when are you going to get ready for the end? You think a world-wide lockdown is important? … similar to Jerusalem when the Romans came and surrounded the city the first time, you do not think it is significant at all? Putin himself is now president for life... and what did he do this week? started putting journalists in jail. He has a port in Syria now and now he is expanding into Africa working with Libya - to get access to the port. So what must all happen for you to realize the world is a little deeper in the cesspit than we realize.

It is a similar situation - where one must adhere to rules. Unfortunately at secular clubs one usually just gets the rules typed out. In Jehovah's organization you know what the rules are when you become a JW - there is no excuse. Even after a mistake one is not shunned unless you show rebelliousness. I am a reader of history - I know what Catholic excommunication means.... how can you even compare what is written there to what we do.... like comparing and orange with mars. It is not what you think that is important but what Jehovah thinks about idolatry..... he is a jealous god and does not tolerate paraphernalia of other gods pushed in his face. Do you not read the old testament? And it was one of the instructions at acts 15:29 which Christians also have to adhere to..... that and abstinence from blood. A very true statement. How sad to serve so long and in the end to be found wanting. It can happen to any of us - we can lose our life when we stop to do introspection and look for flaws only outside yourself.

I think that is why there is so much injustice in many places. The court system is broken. I marvel at some of the decisions taken these days. I think we can refer to it in a modern word of our choice, which serves the purpose, as it embodies what the BIBLE tells us to do with rebellious people. We cannot use an old Greek word...... If you belong to a club you have to follow the rules of the club or you are shunned/disfellowshipped/ told not to come back. Just try it ...and behave badly at a golf club and see what happens to you. As video shows - disfellowshipped means spiritual contact lost and one can be re-instated. This very idea was tried in court a while back was it not? When a gay couple took a baker to court for refusing to bake their wedding cake. The baker was shunning them was he not? he did not even want to take their money. You see, legally we are on shaky ground here. When these kind of people start winning court cases then they can come for all religion... force you to accept LGBTQ and what else? And this is what our dear friend MR 4JAH does not understand... He is so blinded by being right (or finding fault) that he does not get the subtle nuances of these things. The autonomous decisions of different religions is being eroded...…(JWs included) .. in a big way at present. So when he gleefully publishes these clips..... I just shake my head. We know the system is coming for ALL religion soon and the world is heating up to it. Satan is busy getting ready to create a counterfeit world government to bring peace and security to the earth.....and Satan's moral rules will be forced onto all of us such as LGBTQ, pedophilia may be included, no rights to shun, no male elders (according to them it is a white supremacist, colonizer, patriarchal idea which comes from the patriarchal bible which has been the oppressor of humankind for a long time), vaccinations and blood forced on you...…...and replaced by atheism and the immorality and free sex and free whatever now already taught in most schools. (By the way I am not antivaccine but I read this morning how they are making it and I believe it has potential to harm DNA in the body - trials started in UK, brazil and South Africa and Oxford university is doing it - big money can come from it). Just like before the flood there is a horrible arrogance and a changing of human DNA. They are messing with things they should be leaving alone.) Depends on your inclination and the subject. Here on this forum you hold up well because there is only one view spewed by you.. a destructive one. I think I can make a good case for NOT watching videos against JWs. You are a good example of it ...... your hate-…... seems to be fueled by watching all these videos against JWs which are spinned and propagandized in a certain way.

Just remember : it is much easier to critisize than to build up, easier to destroy than to show love. When you are ready to destroy, one can use just about use anything as a weapon and you can hold your own because it is easier to break than unify. Try it on your wife and you will see I am speaking truth.

I have a quote of anna above but I direct it to a few of the 'spiritual elite' over on this forum. I just marvel at you guys - you have lived in or like to be living in a literary world, or scholarly world (or must I rather call it a critical thinking bubble), where every word is literally dissected. A normal regular guy will not be able to come on this forum and chat with you because you guys will destroy his every word.....for real. He cannot say what he thinks in the best words for him without an over-reaction. I find it a pity that your thinking is so one-sided or should I call it self-centered? (I think Furuli became the same....his scholarly habits caught up with him when he retired and he could only think of all the things he needed to critically analize..... and then wrote his final dissertation .... pity. He did not see the good things any longer or the mitigating things). He made his own puffed-up trap. The reality in the world is:- it consists of mostly people who are plain, common people. Yet, you do not make any excuses for people who have never learnt to put their thinking on paper. There are many people out there who have never done this or looked at their writing self-critically. They plainly say what they think or feel. Once they have been shamed by a bunch of puffer upper poisonous fish... they run away or be silenced and you will not hear from them again. Just remember, their experience in the world out there was totally different to yours. This does not mean that they can be dismissed or their ideas are de-legitimized and cannot be explored by a question... why do you say this..... etc.. The attitude here is that when you come here you must be able to converse with the real mature men! … Is it possible that you can broaden out your thinking? I stand up for the common man..... please think of your actions or what you are doing. That was a brother!!!!!! I have luckily been in both worlds.... and to tell you the truth, I prefer people like him... they say what they think…in the passionate words they know...... without first looking up the words on Google or looking it up in some historical book... or looking it up …or critical thinking or political correct or ….. well... I have said my say. Think outside your box. For your information - the GB closed our meetings BEFORE government regulation. So GB had caution and respect for life and most assuredly prayed to Jehovah for direction. Tom, most probably like me, does not humor modern-day Judas'..... He can see the difference between those who sincerely make mistakes, or are imperfect, and who sincerely are looking for answers...... and those who have made a conscious choice to oppose anything to do with GB, JWs - regardless of mitigating reasons or not. He does not need me to stand up for him... he will just ignore you...… but I am quite sure he has matured up. I am not a Hebrew scholar - but it is very closely related to Arabic..... and Arabic has causative verbs..... so I have no issue with Franz' translation of the causative verbs into English. " to prove to be". In Arabic it is understood that you already exist, therefore (to be) is built into all its verbs. That is why 'I AM' is not the correct translation - because Jehovah would reveal himself as one who "causes to become" in Egypt with causing plagues and miracles. I think the organization changed the verbs in the revised edition to simplify it.... because that was the purpose of the revised translation.

Apologies, it seems my contributions always seems to trigger you into some very over the top emotional response and a hate barrage. Unfortunately, your words are like swords but do not make much sense.

They happen to do everything wrong at present. There is a split in the Catholic church due to the shenanigan's of the Pope which one just cannot make up. He has gone all out backing the UN Agenda 21 … so much so that he brought Amazon Indians and their idols into the Vatican... had them calling up their spirits with their dancing around their idols, the authentic voo-doo woo-factor. All the pope's meetings have included climate change and UN agenda 21 issues. Furthermore, they were going to sign a deal with Muslims and Jewish leaders to affirm there is only one God for the entire planet (Christ written out of it) in May but due to Corona it was postponed to October. Corona slowed this down somewhat. The GBs caution and respect for life tells me they are working with Jehovah's spirit. It reminds me of the caution Jesus had when he realized the time is nigh for him to be killed and he stayed out of reach of the Pharisees because he knew he had to die on Nisan 14. They see the signs of the end coming closer and JWs cannot get too much public attention now until the right time. We just do business as usual with a low profile (Except for the attention which apostates so tenaciously bestow upon us and countries like Russia which persecute us now with extraordinary zeal - the king from the north). The harlot has been riding the political beast throughout the ages but I think the Christian part of the harlot will soon expose themselves as the man of lawlessness to even a greater extent.... clear for those with righteous hearts to discern. I am hoping that many people will open their hearts and we will have more work than ever before. It pains me to think that so many people will suffer the terrible food shortages, premature death, as they see all the old dependable human institutions crumble. These riots are intended to break down all old culture and institutions (a revolution). It is all over the world and backed by super-rich money that has been flowing in from Qatar, china, and "foundations" such as the Open society, just to name one. The UN (or organization like it) will bring in the new digital money system after the financial reset has been completed and then they will start to totally implement Agenda 21. It will have to go to the point where they can call peace and security and turn against the harlot- their bedfellow. This beast that will turn against the harlot is the red beast that is the ' image' of the seven headed beast. I am sure our organization will try to keep abreast of the news and make cautious decisions in a discreet way. They will do it to the best of their ability and pray to Jehovah earnestly for help to guide them. Why would Jehovah give a snake instead of a fish? ...when they have been trying to preach the word and fulfill his commission? Jehovah does not forget acts of loyalty. He will also remember that they are flesh. Ps 103 and will not look for ways to find fault.... because there are faults. I am sure that all those who now die prematurely from hunger, sickness etc. will go to sheol for a possible resurrection. Those who remain until the very end stubborn like Pharoah, and oppose the incoming kingdom by finally attacking Jah's people, will fully deserve the judgment coming upon them. No bunker will save them. Which flesh will stand in the Day of Jehovah? Those who have the mark of the Christian personality, call on the name of Jehovah and are found in peace with Jehovah.

Soon the GB may not be here.... just before Armageddon. Read my last paragraph on top. I do not need the GB to know what is right and stand up for worship of Jehovah. I am grateful for the education they give all of us now but I need to grow to maturity on my own...like most JWs. True, some do not do due diligence and drop out or succumb to immorality, etc.... but that is their own fault.

I have never seen you give them credit - so yes, according the hate-gang members they can do nothing right. Always long stories on how controlling and misleading the GB are etc. There is so much false news stories out there and so many hateful apostates which are deceitful with the spin they put on news, I would also warn young people to stay away from lies. When learning English - one only needs to study good English. You will recognize bad English immediately if one has learnt good English. One does not need to study bad English to recognize bad English. Similarly, one need not go and find out what apostates have to say. Just study the bible and you will immediately recognize what is kind and righteous - one need not have apostates teaching you.... Like I do here on this forum. I recognize hate and its deceptive speech the minute I see it. Another point: If there is a news flash tomorrow issued by GB that JWs can now take blood, or we can now use guns, or vote, - do you really think JWs will just blindly follow? Or will they recognize it as a falsehood? They will immediately think someone has taken over the GB..... I would wager you that most JWs would recognize it as the work of Satan…. WHY? because all of us have been trained in the word of Jehovah.... not the word of the GB.

Hopefully some have woken up to where we are in the stream of time..... and start to put 2 and 2 together.... then they hopefully start to search in the right place for information about Jehovah

Hopefully those who have been laughing at JWs will now start to wake up. Things are starting to look pretty clear about where we are in the stream of time. China has had devastating floods too and a big dam is about to break which has the potential to kill millions and create financial havoc downstream.

It was not a generalization - it is true. People lap up what scholars say..... even if they say that Moses stole the events of the new testament from the Sumerians, stole the law from Hammurabi etc etc. (there is no substantial proof of this because the law of Moses is so different from Hammurabi's laws.... if one reads it) but yet people lap it up and believe it....

While I am happy to know about this persons book, I am fortunately not an admirer of persons - no matter how good a scholar they may be because they are just human. Scholars are prone to all the failings other humans have and sometimes more prideful - unfortunately. I wish him well. Now that he needs the support of fellow witnesses, he has set himself up in a lonely way because he thought he could ride the top of the tidal wave on his scholarliness - get attention for his profession and not for Jehovah's glory.. He will have to show humility to return....

I wonder how many people on here really believe that they are in the right organization.... they seem to be just tagging along.... for incase.... I do not think the comment above strengthened the brother and I happen to agree with him ... because I have tasted the goodness of Jehovah while associating with his people in this time. I had association with his people on line and all my spiritual food still delivered on time. We even do field service together online. OH, yee who make scholarly dogma and critical thinking your god...….a compulsion to show the opposite to be true ... just to make a critical point. Here is my silly "unscholarly" argument: My government, republic of Georgie, also had very little Covid deaths - we are now partially opened and can travel overseas to EU etc... but we may have to go into quarantine when getting back... so no-one is leaving except government officials. The GB gave instructions to quarantine self when many governments were still allowing their people to travel and move around. They did not only have concern for our lives but were discreet - not like other churches here in Georgia that said it is their right to have the bread and wine and all congregants will share the same glass as it is their tradition. They literally believe that God will protect them just like many Muslims did.... so in my thinking …. GB did a good job. Some of our Russian sisters here left in time for home before the borders closed...…their places of work closed shortly after in any case and they would have been stuck. Many of detractors here will of course find reasons to call GB all kinds of wicked names... but yes, give GB credit where it is due. It seems they are cautious...… .

you made that connection. Judas killed someone that was close to him - Jesus- and then committed suicide.

If you and your followers on here think the beast in Revelation is the 'JW elders' or the GB...… there is nothing I have to say.... I just shrug my shoulders at the sheer dissonance of it. I think you have exposed yourself …….!! seriously! And if your disciples are too silly to see it and still agree with all your "prophetic comments", and take your prophetic comments against the "elders" and GB as fulfillment of scriptures in Revelation .... I suggest they look at their themselves. All your contributions indicate to me that you wanted more power because you see yourself as a privileged anointed that needed a position to teach. You are bitter because you were denied this and accuse others of usurping what you feel belongs to you and was taken away. Look at your Revelation explanations? I just shake my head in disbelief...….. maybe you will come up with something more bizarre.... I don't know..... but at this point I think I will not answer you again... so go ahead with your silly accusations.

I still got to get something resembling that on here...… lol

Judas did the same - so it is not so strange.

Ludicrous - I will not answer that. You seriously believe that or you are surely making a joke? Witness and her disciples can now echo each other and pat each other on the shoulders. Goodbye.

Self-sacrifice by starvation for religious reasons..... Does that sound like JWs? It sounds like the stories of Jews drinking blood of babies. Maybe witnesses visited them and they listened..... and that gave neighbors the idea they were Jws. People make up their own narrative about things especially in backwaters.

So you are not better than the GB.....

No smarty it is not. Secular authorities do not mix law with 'religious spiritual matters'. They usually call it different terms...… which I just leave now at that.

Baptised JWs are identified by the name..... so it does not make sense that they will call on a different name... now would it?

Really? Why would they be afraid to follow their convictions, when they have thought it through? The follow their conscience...

And the newest research proves they were right. Since you refuse to acknowledge this.... I am not going to please your hate-OCD by engaging in a lengthy argument about Jehovah's name. Let us just say.... time will tell. I do not have an urge to always be right... A blanket statement that none of them have the spirit of God when they were anointed by spirit.... funny..... but you seem to blessed by some spirit do have such deep insight but it does not appear to be from Jehovah - you do not even accept the name....