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6 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

they are "just not equipped to handle s

They are not equipped to stop wicked people from choosing to break Jehovah's law.  Even Jehovah allows people to do what they choose.... for now.  The elders can help those who repent or need help spiritually and want to serve Jehovah with an honest heart.

BUT, you guys are the first to call out JWs as cruel when they do manage to get evidence together to put someone out of the congregation.  This is about the only tool they have to protect Jehovah's people and you always use this as a weapon against the JWs  as being cruel, unjust or dictatorial or …. the list goes on.  Elders will only take this action with sufficient evidence..... if they do not have it, then caution and mercy wins. …. but you know this..... it was discussed before

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

id WT magazines gave enough proper "train" to JW elders and JW members in 1980's ?

You make me laugh.  I was a journalist back then and remember that this topic was taboo in society before 1980.  In the seventies people started talking about it; only in the eighties the secular world woke up to the scale of the problem and started to bring in  inadequate laws to protect children.  They closed the last legal gap only in 2007 in USA when they brought in the law that children no longer needed to face the perpetrator in court and be cross examined...…   but you know all of this.

We have been through these discussions before.  This is when an obtuse heart becomes a block to true understanding.... sorry to say.... but this is true.  All aspects of this subject has been covered before in many pages and still you guys keep opening it up again and again (OCD-like) asif this is all you think about.

1 minute ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Wait

Not a good answer..... Wait...… and you will soon see how Jehovah will vindicate his people. Yes, there are a lot of flaws.. but then..... so did Israel have flaws back in their day - and Jehovah still used them for his purpose.

On 6/28/2020 at 10:30 PM, Equivocation said:

The United States of America where there is a type of culture that promotes pedophile like behavior and over sexualize children. I d

True, UNESCO has promoted a new curriculum in most countries of the world for the past 20 years.  Poor countries see their fundi cuts if they do not comply. Under child sex education they teach children about worst forms of porneia and how to find pleasure in sex - oversexualizing them at a very young age.  If you think this generation is promiscuous - wait until this generation hits young adulthood. You can already see the effects of the school education on the youth at universities right now. They have NO respect for life and the rights of others to have an opinion. The lawlessness and rioting (for whatever the reason) is beyond normal behavior.

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

how "physical protection" is task for secular government.

THE GOVERNMENT has the resources to interview children by qualified child psychologists and have the resources to get a court conviction with input from these government officials.   So what part of this sentence do you not understand?

On 6/28/2020 at 5:33 AM, Thinking said:

Going back to the fear of apostates, it makes me wonder why they (the GB) are so afraid, to the point of putting the fear of God

I have an apostate in my family. The OCD symptoms of hate is the same in all hardened apostates.  He left the truth after only 2 years when he read Dakins's book.  He was inquisitive in all the wrong ways and too smart for his own boots. I can pick these OCD hate-mongers out just by listening to them.  They are dangerous to your personal spirituality because of the deceit and hate.

They will take a half-truth and embroider it so it sounds plausible and true.  I associated with my brother (saw him a few times) because I was helping him financially but then cut off the relationship (I still sent the money) because I loved him so much. 

He was manipulating my love for him to try to get me to talk against  jehovah.......every time I was in his presence the OCD started......That is when I realized the bible is right and the GB interpretation of " not to greet them" is absolutely for your own protection tion........ not because of fear.  It is about obedience to jehovah for your own protection.

His conscience did not bother him to use my love for him because he became an opposer of jehovah. 

On 5/17/2016 at 6:24 AM, admin said:

States as I did countries

There are very few English speakers in the country where I live. So does this mean that I will no longer get notifications from other countries?

11 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Money

Yes the super rich think they know what is good for the world. They think their money qualifies them to decide the fate of ordinary men.  They are the ones who use their charity organizations to push agendas. Giving money to subversive organizations such as Antifa and he Muslim brotherhood front organizations in USA.  Muslim brotherhood is banned in Muslim countries but in USA they spread their propaganda and are protected.

The propaganda leads to Armageddon.... Revelation 16:14 - 16

While they may have moved extra funds to a different location, I do not trust the spin or angle the media is putting on it......... if you trust the media after all the junk that is published -  you are pretty naive. 

On 6/16/2020 at 7:55 AM, Space Merchant said:

EU is more favorable towards Islam, for a number of reasons, and is often the most protected, which was very evident with various events that had taken place regarding God (Allah) and Jesus (Isa) in the Islamic faith vs. that of the Christian faith.

Plus, Islam is an increasing faith whereas mainstream

The UN human rights council now has mostly Islamic countries on the council - the countries with the least human rights. They vote for each other. .... and China now has an important position. Russia now vying for a position.

Al Shabaab, boko haram etc is devastating north Africa and now they are starting in southern region. The left and Islam working together in USA.  They receive funding from outside sources which are subversive.  America is not what it was before. It has not been vigilant and have been invaded by many foreign organizations...... actually too many to mention. 

Soon these rioters will be under a new master much more strict than they ever could imagine. ...... 

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The UK is a powder keg, granted there are black vs. white confrontation in small number. Which can expand as the days go by. 

Europe's problem is Islam which causes division amongst peoples. Religious supremacists who are protected by law. Similarly, progressive organizations such as antifa have been operating as  subversive organizations with impunity.

Already there are something like 85 areas that are no-go zones where police do not go in, in UK. Muslim thugs police these areas. When I was living in Sweden there was something like 60 areas.  I wanted to go preach in a small village close to where I was living and a sister said that we cannot go in there.

These facts were hidden from public view because this should have been hitting the main pages in the news every day but the press is so 'racially', or rather 'islamaphobia -correct', and the government so 'progressive', that it is not mentioned at all. Only when fires or handgranades were used it received a brief mention in the press.  I went to look at a police station which had damage due to handgranade  close to my home.  

The world is sitting on a powder-keg because of Islam, race relations........ but the biggest problem leading to Armageddon and the 'clay-iron syndrome', is that neo-communist ideology is using Islam and race relations to undermine western autonomy.

Things are getting more and more ready to explode. I started watching these crazy events and the lies of the media when I studied Islam and knew what its ideology is really about. Then I saw that the CIA kicked all its advisors out as ' racially bias'  and then watched as 'islamaphobia ' took hold all over the West.

I knew something was seriously wrong somewhere and knew that things were moving on to Armageddon because of the lies and the cover-up of truth. 

Then I looked at the gender issues and how powerful these had become, I then investigated the philosophies that were pushing this. When I saw the origins of it my eyes were wide open....... I then investigated the UN, China and Russian relations and realized that Armageddon is building faster than anything -- due to propaganda.  Propaganda is NOT truth....... it sidesteps the truth of what is on the ground and spins it's own story regarding the real facts. It uses only the bits it wants and leaves out significant parts.  

We are seeing the serious effects of the clay-iron syndrome - spot on - as predicted in the bible.  We are heading towards a totalitarian type system which only jehovah can break up. 

The youth are attending these big get-togethers for the progressives.  It may not overtake us at this moment in time but the time for a  rational world and the freedom we knew in the past is absolutely running out.

This movement is NOT coming from the streets........I wish it was...... it is propaganda and charity money from front organizations which has been pouring into USA and have overtaken the minds of people.

We are seeing the start of the last lap of the world before a short rule by the 8th king. The next step is a digital money system for security and then the new world order for peace and security....... the atheist NWO.

Anyone NOT spreading the progressive agenda is maligned in the media to the tenth degree. Can one trust the news when they are pro-Islam, pro-abortion, pro-LGBTQ, pro-antifa, the pro's make a long list.  This means that all reporting has a bias towards their own opinion. They will leave out the facts  which do not fit the agenda and viciously malign anyone - even make up false stories about them because they have impunity together with a total lack of conscience. So be skeptical of all news and use caution. 

12 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Won't the rich just go down into their air conditioned fully prepared Bunkers ? 

The trilionaires (the secret ones ) and the super billionaires have bunkers as well as oligarchs in the east. 

Thank goodness Jehovahs angels can get in anywhere!

20 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

may run into The Black Isrealites again.

They are something else, aren't they?  2tim 3:1-5 getting more and more relevant. 

I saw secret undercover  videos of Antifa on "veritas" channel.  They were practicing to take peoples eyes out and injure them seriously.  These people have no mercy - they want a revolution...... 

On 6/12/2020 at 8:26 PM, JW Insider said:

topic on CSA his own.

It is CSA-OCD lol. 

Video....... empty-headed......people........... but they want chaos...... a revolution.

They want no police so they can traffic children, loot and just be lawless.

UNESco pushing the sexualuzation of young children in the name of sex education. Radical feminine studies and post modern philosophy has been pushed at schools and universities - this is the result. 

1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

JWs are surprised by world 'trends' in protests and violence.

Actually, you are right not to get involved - until they want you to compromise your faith.

If you remember correctly, I have been warning of a commie-style totalitarian take-over. This is part of the cultural revolution. They want to destroy businesses to remove the independence of people and have all wealth redistributed.

The indoctrinated youth, in the post modern philosophy, want a total new collective system. They blame the whites and slavery for the world conditions. Here is a good video about it.  I watched it earlier today..posted below.

Our youth are ready for acceptance of the One World Order for peace and security ...... - which is not a conspiracy - because top world leaders have secretly been working towards this goal since 1950's.  Kissenger is one of them together with the first Bush president.  All the super rich, technocrats, and digital moguls are on board as well. They have been spending their money on the front organizations and in subversive ways to bring about their technocracy of the future...... which in all probability will be led by the policies of the UN......... who has been spearheading this all along.  Most nations have signed on to the UN visions for the future as laid out in agenda 21 and UN agenda 2030.

Worship of the state only with no religion allowed.  Digital money and surveillance in the future. We will be tested as one will not be able to buy or sell if you are a thought-terrorist - one who does not agree with the state and sticks to religion. 

So set aside the beefs you have with Jehovahs people and start calling on him in earnest, He is the only one who can help us all. We are sitting ducks........ like Israel was with Pharoah next to the red sea. Hopefully our rescue will be as spectacular.

https://youtu.be/JkfRG18ruXg

This is about a short history of slavery and how far they are going to break down statues - a removal of all old culture....... which is Maoist. 

42 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

could appeal his own victorious verdict.

I guess he felt the penalty meted out was not sufficient.

4 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Is the real message here that once a Witness is convicted, they had better not think they have the same right to appeal as anyone els.?

Commies do not care for laws. They change them as they go along. They do not even take note of Human Rights decisions against them. They are a law to themselves because judges follow instructions from higher up.

The only reason the Russian orthodox is tolerated in neo-communism is because the church is hollow.  They do not teach the bible and resort to icons and candle lighting, singing etc.  The building of nationalism - worship of the state - is its main function.

Other religions are not tolerated.

On 6/10/2020 at 5:33 PM, JW Insider said:

Another odd thing to notice

Nothing makes sense because demons are performing their signs and mesmerizing the different violent groups who perceive themselves only as victims. Some atheistically have ordained themselves to bring about a revolution in Bolshevik-style and are funded by the usual subversive front organizations. Other victims do not matter...….. the looted shops, burnt buildings, lost businesses etc. The personality traits exhibited remind us of 2 Tim 3: 1-5... they are fierce and without mercy themselves.

Police are being killed and hurt in the riots (I think 27 killed this year and hundreds hurt - and not much attention in the news).  Police also have families they have to provide for, which makes the present police resignations  and retirements so relevant...….. Yes, there is racial injustice but not all whites, and neither are all police, racist. Reasonableness has left the planet.

The iron and clay in governments are acrimonious...…… and whatever happens in the next election in USA - it will not be accepted by the losing side.  This is how far we have moved down the stream of time. Healing of this wound will not happen quickly - it will keep festering.  People have crossed the mark of peaceful protest. 

They are ready to murder each other - brother kill brother....

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

those scriptures were written long before the Org ever existed AND others believed those scriptures before.

As  you know full well but your dishonesty will not allow you to ACKNOWLEDGE it --- all other Christian religions  read the bible and yet did not fathom out that the soul is not immortal....... and hence they do not understand the ransom sacrifice.

No wonder Jehovah did not use them to preach the message in the last days to the entire world Math 24:14

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

That inherent contradiction of yours says a lot

No contradiction if you accept that the generation is about the SIGNS that started after the crowning of Jesus. .... but I guess you have not thought about it and hence will not get your head around it.

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

is because they accept 1914. In other words, this stretching of

The civil war definitely still affected people as late as 19 sixties..... just as WW2 signs are still affecting me........ There are some people still alive which were born during WW1........so the staggered approach is not as luny as you pretend it to be with sarcasm.

You do not believe in any of the signs and the generation -  be honest...... so why would you think further?  I suggest you can start quoting all JWs  history  to prove how incompetent they are........ then you will fulfill your  Christian duty to bring the absolute truth to the friends here who love your quotes which is supposed to prove a superior insight.  Because after all you have so much inside knowledge!  

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But you don't have the right to just move the starting point to around 1992 instead of 1914.

I don't have right, correct..... but I never made the assumption...... you did because you are stuck on a date and not the generation.....the SIGNS that Jesus gave to this generation....

But I understand your thinking because you do not believe in the SIGNS and assume we will not be able to discern the time (not the day but the times we are living in) and neither do you accept 1914.

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

staggered generations from 90 years prior to 1914, and 90 years after 1914. That's

The point is NOT the date 1914 itself - although the kingdom was established then.  It is the generation that would be influenced by the events triggered by the birth of the kingdom  when satan was thrown out of heaven and brought the signs of perousia to the earth. 

This would include WW1 and WW2.   I am of the post WW2 generation....... my generation was effected by the WW2. If I were anointed while brothers were still alive which saw WW1 then I am still part of that generation - seeing the events triggered by jesus on the throne (perousia). I am aging but still kicking...... I am still part of that generation which is doing world-wide preaching work and seeing  the FDS in action, apart from all the other signs. ...... as mentioned by Jesus..... signs that this generation will see.

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

This begs the question in which side Rolf, Raymond, and JWinsider are ...

Agreed. One can view yourself as a scholar of the 'past' and study every non-perfect word uttered by GB or their imperfect choices, then inadvertantly play into the hands of those who hate JWs for very silly reasons....... all this in the search for the absolute truth of the past...... something which a human cannot do...... this is Jehovah's domain.

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

seem the above would approve and prefer that kind of disunity among the brethren. I

These brothers at the time, seemed to reason without 'soundness of mind' ..... without seeing Jehovahs vision for the future - large expansion.

One needs some form of structure to provide 'food' and distribute it to all the brethren in the world to keep all on the same page.....Jehovah knew this and he provided a slave which is easily recognizable today.

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

anything that could have the slightest semblance of abridging the liberties of the brethren or of bringing them into any kind of bondage;

I value these principles extremely highly - not to overstep my boundaries and dominate others in any way.  This problem of domination over others (even in slight ways) has plagued mankind in all spheres of life since Adam sinned. We are constantly reminded by GB to not do this BUT individuals do overstep the mark due to imperfection........ no matter how spiritual they are.  However,  this does not imply that we must be disorganised as a people and not have a central organization, especially if the central organization is committed to these godly principles.... 

To have a coordinated world-wide nation ..... implies some order and organization of thought to create a unity of mind and action....... especially to fulfill the preaching 'and teaching' commission. Each one cannot teach their own interpretation.

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

11So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we

Thank you for the outlay of these scriptures....... 

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Why Furuli decided to go against scripture, only he knows. We

Maybe dementia?   .......  Did not take advice from other brothers, acted alone and egotistically?  Very sad...... for a book that does not seem so good........(I do not intend to read it.... but I listen intently to the comments about it here on the forum. )

3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

We simply do not know how appointment to the Sanhedrin took place, and whether it was for life or for a limited

They were heavily influenced by Greek oratory tradition....... the Mishna was already part of oral tradition, although not yet written down..  Few of Sanhedrin were levites.  Were the Levites not appointed by jehovah under Law to do the teaching and judging? But they no longer followed the law - as brought out by Jesus.

The Sanhedrin it seems were appointed for life.  Annas was already retired (if I remember correctly appointed by Roman official) but carried the title of lifelong appointee.  So he was brought back into the trial of Jesus to give more credence to the descisions. Caiaphas was high priest (married to daughter of Annas) and appointed by Herod. 

Here is an excerpt found on JW.org:

"The Sanhedrin had 71 members—the high priest and 70 of the nation’s principal men. In Roman times it was made up of priestly nobles (mainly Sadducees), lay aristocrats, and learned scribes of the party of the Pharisees. The priestly aristocracy, supported by distinguished laymen, dominated the court. Whereas the Sadducees were conservative, the Pharisees were liberal and were chiefly commoners who had great influence with the people. According to the historian Josephus, the Pharisees’ demands were reluctantly met by the Sadducees. Paul took advantage of their rivalry and the differences in belief between these groups when he defended himself before the Sanhedrin."

The Sanhedrin became an established political body from the time of Antiochus IV.  Although the decapolis cities had many gymnasiums etc and the culture  became more and more  hellenistic (koine Greek the language) the Hasmodeans violently resisted Antiochus's  idea to replace their God with Zeus in the temple and revolt and resistance against pagan authorities started the extremist downward spiral  which eventually led to destruction of Jerusalem.

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

I cannot accept that the methodology of achievement, for a few good things for which words of praise could be found, is

How silly to reason this way. No other Christian religion understands the ransom sacrifice which is the CRUX for everlasting life.  If you believe in an immortal soul - then Jesus dit not really die and did not really pay for our sins.

Jesus only received immortality as a 'reward' for his faithfulness........... so it is silly to reject the importance of this CORE teaching of JWs........ just to name one teaching.

So to judge GB on some historical old and little  thing you  personally take issue with, is not wise ......when the CORE teachings are absolutely correct and  are crucial to get absolutely right for everlasting life.... Apparently you think you can cherry pick core teachings? And reject gods organization on something which you perceive/judge to be a minor misdemeanour?