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15 hours ago, Kosonen said:

It looks like Satan, the ruler of this system of things has effectively directed all this thing.

The sentence in the bible which says: Satan will be drawn out, has had me thinking for a long while....... satan is orchestrating this last concert and he has all the super rich, influential, technocrats and world-leaders on the same page.  Bilderburg meetings, DAVOS , G 20 etc etc. 

Satan seems to be openly showing his colours. He is not behind the scenes any longer. He wants to force servants of jehovah to compromise. 

1 hour ago, Kosonen said:

Just insane.

I used hydroxychloroquine with zink twice. My husband and I found a study on SARS 2.... , which is Covid 19,  I think it was a Chinese study translated in English... can't remember..... but I used it because I have a compromised immunity. I was very sick and it came back two weeks later.

The UN, WHO was controlling the narrative and refused to acknowledge that this protocol works. I was already using it when Trump announced it. After this this medication was not available anywhere..... even for RA patients.

They laughed at people who used it......even though several doctors healed 2 to 3 thousand patients and te9stified to it. (One was an elderly Jewish doctor that went online and gave testimony to its effect.....).  It is still deemed to be fake, news and removed from social media like all other conspiracy information...... So .. yes, I agree, the world is insane. Funeral parlours are saying that all deaths, regardless of the reason of death, are listed as Corona deaths.

This phenomenon is really as strange as the Epstein case...... no logic at all because there are things that are being hidden.  Yet......the majority of people are not questioning any of this...... maybe older ones..... but the new indoctrinated generation just accept what they are told.

I was expecting a black swan event to break the economy of the world. I did not know what it would be..... but it came.  Corona may have happened accidentally, and how, I am not sure.....there are many viable conspiracies out there......  but I do know that evil experimentation with nano-technology, viruses and much more has been going on for longer than we (naive ordinary folk)  think.

Although I do not agree with you on literally fleeing to the wilderness and your quirky vision of the bible, I agree with you on this:

These words I am writing now will destroy my credibility with everyone here, but I really have a strong inclination that the wicked will use technology to take over the rulership of the world and do satan's ultimate bidding........ to put everyone in a position ( by oppression)  to choose between jehovah or human rulership (the beast). We will be forced to obey their version of religion of the state which is ultimate immorality, without conscience, and worship of the state (beast).  ...... 

This is satan's ultimate goal: to get everyone to reject jehovahs principles so he can rob you of eternal life. To compromise yourself.  Satan wants everyone to lose everlasting life - like he has. He wants all and everything to be destroyed.  Jehovah knew this: that is why he foresaw that he would have to step into humankind's affairs to save some loyal flesh.

How far it will go, I cannot tell..... but it will be pretty bad because it will have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt that humans cannot rule themselves. The human condition at the height of human discovery will be worse than before the industrial revolution...... because our flaw (sin) brings out the worst form of domination, torture, oppression and degradation.

THULM in Arabic thulaam means total darkness and  injustice.  I think that life will be terrible in future due to the oppression and injustice. The suppression of ALL religion will bring total darkness to peoples lives. The only religion allowed will be worship of the state and its rules. People will search for information about God but it will be suppressed.

Now you know why I have been looking at the king of the north and its philosophy of atheism (spiritistic origins)  and worship of the state.  In Russia it is tolerating orthodoxy for now because orthodoxy is a totally hollow religion of rituals only and a religion of the state. (nationalism)

The super capitalists of the world are all atheists and have been pushing NWO agenda for many years.... they believe it will bring peace and security........   They support the UN's agenda which promotes the Chinese model of oppression of religion and worship of the state. The UN knows it cannot get power if it does not follow the Chinese model....... and all the richest people in the world know this as well. They are working together.

Many small businesses have been permanently broken by this Corona. This means that people's independence from the state is lost........ the UN banks may take over the world problems when the nations give over their autonomy to it......China will also have financial problems after this Corona.

The future will tell........... but what I am thinking is in line with bible teachings - albeit controversial.

On 5/28/2020 at 5:41 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

JW members need to have more insight and knowledge and intuition about issue and not drop all and every individual who have issue with sex identity into "devil influence" and/or individual "evilness".

I remember a person who openly told everyone they had AIDs and came to meetings. It is a lie that we are not accomdating to all kinds of people. We are very kind to anyone accepting Jehovahs moral standards.

The problem is usually with them - they do not accept Jehovahs moral standards.

Universities and tech corporations are pushing this new 'cultural revolution'  which is inspired by the Marx's  manifesto.  This includes atheism and lack of conscience and morals.

9 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

These commentaries of certain Ignatius from the end of the 1st or early 2nd century show us an UNSPECIALIZED, but generic, use of the "slave class

So we must now look to Ignatius? Instead of the bible? Remember, already in the time of apostle John the Greek influence and apostate ideas had already infiltrated the congregations.  Jesus gave warning about the weeds.  Math 19. The most insidious weeds were the Greek philosophy and oratory traditions which was literally everywhere!  There were gymnasiums etc. in Palestine. 

9 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

there wasn't any specialized class attending the household in those days. 

Matthew 24 is about the last days of the Jewish system but it says that the preaching work will be done in the last days in " entire world" then the end will come..... so it refers to our time. 

It afterward talks about a slave..... so this is obviously only a feature of the last days of the entire earthly system....... and it asks a question: who is the FDS?  It obviously means that it is important for each individual to recognize who this FDS is.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Betel HQ in US is physical place where some people creating  policies and run the business. 

They are registered in every country as a non-profit because it is the LAW.  One cannot print books etc without registered license. 

You should read up about this - maybe you will stop judging and get more understanding.

On 5/26/2020 at 6:28 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

is like a plague of locusts. Get Kos on it.

He has fled to the wilderness.

14 hours ago, César Chávez said:

keeping God’s house clean, not just from bad influence, but bad actors within the ORG.

So true! 

14 hours ago, César Chávez said:

GB to continue in their fine works by obeying God to the letter of dispensing spiritual food, they are now to busy having to settle complaints of individuals.

People writing them long letters with their personal spiritual views and getting no answers..... and really expecting an answer!....... then getting bitter because they thought they were more equal than others....

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is a firm movement under the guise of ‘anti-cultism’ to make religion a decided subset of the state—with all its policies to be reviewable by the state. How strongly Rulf plays into this I cannot say, but I’ll bet

This happened to the catholic church in China..... new government translation of the bible...... all unwanted material removed...

The Pope gave permission for CCP officials to appoint bishops..... next thing they know all church business and the members...... then soft persecution....... now getting worse.  Google it. Persecution in China after Vatican-China deal.

15 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

But Tom has to go further of course, he looks for ways to criticise almost everyone. 

Maybe some of you should do an in depth observation of each member of the GB. You seem happy to find fault with everyone that has different views to you. But you JWs just love to worship your GB. 

Hate-OCD - target, target , anyone you can. If targeting witnesses was a ' speech crime' he would get 6 years. 

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

scenario. It plays out in all situations of national and international politics. It

Could it be a matter of politics?

9 hours ago, César Chávez said:

panel of Elders to look into Watchtower polices, It would lie with,

While there is nothing wrong with reviewing our procedures to see if it is spot on with the bible, I pose one question: are we now imitating worldly governments which have investigative committees ?  Are we now supposed to institute this on our teachings? ... when we all know that there is nothing wrong with our core teachings?

The GB  are the spearhead of the commission from Jesus to preach but - as Chavez said -  indicates they must be board members for a registered corporation. 

Is a possible solution this: the GB step down from anything to do with the legal corporation and give it to a few committees with overseers to run and be  the board members?  After all, they must prepare now for Armageddon when they get their call to the marriage of the lamb....... who will then run things through Armageddon?   The GB can head up the spiritual food committees at present which will later take over when they are no longer here. 

Is this maybe a wakeup call for them to act and change something?  

7 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

just thought it gives a bit of balance to the usua

Thanks for article..... but there is  no balance!

The investigations into child marriage led them to tabling this bill to try to stop child marriages. There are a few legislators who do care (mostly women) but the majority do not. The rape gangs in UK are still operating and still swept under the carpet.

Most people who try to expose the gangs (report about it) are targeted by police and the establishment because one may not say anything about "the religion of peace" who are the major perpetrators of this crime because it is ok to rape "kufaar" (unbelievers). It is now against the law (hate-speech, even if they are perpetrators) in UK and one could face a prison sentence of up to 6 years for hate-speech (if I remember correctly - it changed from 2 to 6 years).

What they do NOT say in the article you cite, is that the religion of peace does not marry in UK courts. (It is rare- because the wife has more rights under UK law and can inherit more from her husband, should he die, than under Sharia law). Sharia favours men.

So they do religious marriage or take them to Pakistan to get married at young age  .....and then wait until she is of age for the man to immigrate legally to Britain on marriage Visa.  This was a major industry before..... I do not know which immigration laws have been changed in the past few years because I know they have been trying to curb this by immigration legislation. I have not taken the time of late to look at it.

Yes, the more I learn about the top echelons of society and the sexual antics they get up to with children ( and the level of suppression), the more I realize how wicked the world has become. I have listened to a few hair raising stories of retired police who were told to "stop" investigating" in UK........ coming from higher up in the hierarchy who get pressure from even higher up in government. This was, and is  happening in USA too. One investigator from Florida has fled to Russia because his life was in danger. Journalists and police have turned up dead in USA. Shot or convenient suicide.

The Epstein debacle has also been covered up with his very 'convenient' suicide of which the circumstances have just been accepted by the public at large. No lingering questions asked. No-one has been brought to justice which proves the system is  covering up. There is no longer justice for the poor and underpriviledged..... just like in Israel before the exile.

 The prosecutors who covered up for Epstein and colluded to cover up the 37 cases of child trafficking in 2007, have DA positions at present - their "clean" standing is not tarnished because the press do not write about it. Epstein turned out to be an CIA asset. 

The new trafficking cases were closed at his ''suicide' and the "madam" who pulled in all the young kids for his operations, is still living in luxury and free.  All the porn material with high society men ( videos) which the Federal police raided from his home after his death, is in their fed possession.  NO INDICTMENTS up till now. I am waiting...... most probably some lowly person will be made an example of....... but the news is not asking what has happened to the videos.  

My sense of justice is outraged by this but I leave it in the hands of Jehovah...... their fall will be great.

One piece of good news.... it seems that some of the supply chains were broken by Corona lock down.....due to transport restrictions...... but this crime will grow even faster when a lot of people do not have work. The criminally inclined will have a ' job'. ..... and money.

On 5/27/2020 at 1:16 AM, 4Jah2me said:

RJ Furuli Ph D, has OCD as well  

I am talking of hate-OCD, same behaviour over and over and same unreasonableness. 

No.... so far (by what I have heard) Ferulis thinking flaws are clear and it is not just all hate.... 

43 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

animals who changing sex as

Many creatures are changing sex, especially those who are sensitive to hormones. Our waters are all polluted, full of female and other hormones.  Plastics also immitate female hormones. I will not go into the subject of gender dysphoria in humans which it is causing.

Animals follow instinct or learn new behaviour by watching.  They do what comes naturally. As the crown if Jehovah's creation we are not supposed have sex anywhere, anyhow and with anyone.... it makes us into animals with no conscience and no  thought of a future - just immediate gratification with no self-control. 

These new corrupting teachings at schools and universities are corrupting minds so people do not have a hope to get the approval of God. Satan is turning them into fodder for destruction. Since he is the father of death - that is his ultimate goal- to destroy. And if he could use the state and its institutions to do it quicker and more thoroughly - so much the better.

Dr Feruli is living in the past...... in the days when university education still meant something and could bring edification to the mind.  He seems to be in a bubble as JWInsider  mused. 

35 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Changing of sex inside human species is complicated issue. And

An X chromosome can never become a Y...... that is science.

Do you know about the recent painful divorce case where a father had to watch his doctor wife indoctrinate the son that he is a girl and then start hormonal treatments at age seven? 

In Canada and UK some states they can take your child from the home if you refuse hormonal treatments - it is seen as abuse! 

Satan wants to break the family, all morality and conscience - this new aggressive push by the establishment is leading to a situation wherein all humans will have to make a choice between Jehovahs right and wrong and the new secular morality pushed by UN.

31 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Simplified" NWT, which he "trashes" in his book.

I do not think it useful for in-depth studies either but I would not trash it....... the modern youth do not understand the older English expressions. It is for the new generation not for crusty old professors.

I like his thoughts on #3. I prefer street work to house to house. I do not like standing at the cart either....... too little action for me.  I like to engage people.... so I am all for the idea to do what you are good at or what you like....  That way you remain enthusiastic and on fire! 

Communism is alive and well and all the corruption and gag orders with it. May jehovah bless his integrity.

3 minutes ago, Ann O'Maly said:

Or have you seized on a couple of sensationalist headlines to form

I follow what the UN is doing. There are some counties where it has not been implemented. Which ages do you teach?  

4 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

there might be a few instances where you are the speaker and people wonder how you will handle

I agree that there are times we step up to the plate..... when needed. 

I also do not like it when some brothers act as though they are the sole self-appointed guardians of the truth, always correcting others...... this again is also out of balance.  This is also self-importance and ego at work.

35 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

is a sign of the ebook times

Editors get involved with a printed book and then the printing process itself gets 4 proofs which are read and re-read and corrections made. ( I worked as a publicist for many years).  It is truly a blessing to have different eyes on a paper. 

18 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

me this is a dictatorship

As I said before- you throw this word around like candy. Mr Feruli himself agrees that all the core teachings are correct..... The ones I think of is the teaching of mortality of the soul, the name jehovah, jesus who really died for our sins, we are no longer under mosaic law, the kingdom government, the preaching work,..... and much more. We have an abundance of spiritual food, videos, movies, songs and videos for the young ones! 

Why MUST some people have a platform to prove themselves!  It comes from ego and ambition!   Some are never thankful and count their blessings! The glass is half empty if they cannot have a "spiritual " say......

The core teachings are there! So what can you add?

21 hours ago, Ann O'Maly said:

And I have worked

Those words are the key - past tense. All new sillabuses now teach absolutely shocking things which is downright pornea. It also depends on the school board and the state. 

The new sex education is pushed by the UN together with atheism.

In UK the Muslims were up in arms and demonstrated in front of schools.  The school was cordoned off and they were not allowed near the campus. High court intervention.

I have seen local school meetings in USA where parents have tried to stand up for morals...... it is getting harder and harder. Most parents are not aware because the children do these courses online.

20 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

so does Aurana, both totally unbalanced on the subject.  It is a matter of balance. 

I do keep up with what is going on at universities and schools. And what is going on is shocking!  No freedom of thought or speech. I would not like to be student on campus now where common sense is no longer accepted and one has to deal with militant atheists, pro-abortionists,  militant LGBTQ and ANTIFA hooligans thrown in the mix.

16 hours ago, César Chávez said:

were several misinformed witnesses that didn't understand what the 6000 years

I totally agree. I was in Africa at the time and in the truth for two years. It seems some people here push one narrative and others another. It is a matter of perception and who you knew at the time.... and the tales.

PLEASE ASK YOURSELF THE FOLLOWING QUESTION: 

It may come as a shock to you all..... but how will we keep unity in the faith (one message) if anyone can stand on the stage and add scriptures and give their own interpretations? 

There must be some measurng stick? At home one can speculate, or speculate with all your friends.... but in a public space .... stick to the outline.... is this not better?

We have a lot of freedom..... to speak..... why must one push your own visions on stage?  That is exactly how the 1975 saga ran away with itself and got extra legs!

I am always chatting and speculating with friends.... but we should be aware that we can push ourselves too much!  Knowledge puffs up  - but love builds up. 1 cor 8:1....  Stick to the love part then one can never go wrong!

If you do not agree with my question, then please give a solution and not just critisize!  It is easy to critisize if you do not have a workable solution.

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

My wife and I have rediscovered

I just watch old movies for entertainment - safer than modern stuff. They have better characterization and plots as well. These days many stories are superficial and use special effects for interest.

4 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

sending their child to school

They are sexualizing young children in school.  Children go on the computer and learn about deviant sex at too young an age.

Parents should know what their children are learning so as to counteract it at home.  It is UNESCO which has brought in the new curriculum and pushing it world-wide. Poor countries do not get funding if they refuse to comply.

It is part of population control.  Teach young kids that deviant sex is ok so they do not produce children..... and most important of all make them into atheists so they have no conscience.

38 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

t’s unbelievable

But nothing will come of it.  The powers that be - they have too much money and the lobby too strong.

We are sitting ducks to these wicked people and only Jehovah can save us.

38 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

well—that satisfies Bible prophesy.

Listened to a translation today of how communism took over china (Chinese to English) and how bad things have become under the CCP.  It discusses how the doctrine of communism is satanic in its destruction of culture, morals and everything pertaining to a God.

I was fascinated by the old Chinese values of morality and how they believed that there was a large flood on earth, through which the Chinese were saved, in order to bring culture and morality to the world.

I saw many contemporary parallels with the West, especially the destruction of the family, culture and moral values. The Chinese writer claims that the ultimate goal of satan is to create a world power wherein worship of the state replaces all values of morality..... such as the CCP is doing. 

In this way the mind is so morally corrupted, that when God talks to the person they will not listen to Him and then their soul will be destroyed forever (no nirvana or reincarnation). 

He laments the communists who desecrate everything to do with the forefathers and their legacy (which of course forms part of their ancestor worship)..... but I found it very enlightening.  I really got some insights into the Chinese culture  before communism systematically dismatled it and replaced it with communistic, material versions of the old culture. (culture revolution just as in the west happening now)

I can see how satan will literally be ruling the entire world soon and obligating people to worship the state/beast. There is nothing noble about human governments any longer - east or west. Corruption is everywhere and it is like a yeast which has grown throughout the earth.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

triggered what we are seeing now;

That is the right word.  It triggers OCD.  That is why I rarely reply...... the response is always the same old, same old.  I like to learn from people I do not agree with...... but you always land up in a dead end.

45 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

higher education, he tends to present it a bit too positively,

Maybe years ago one could go to university without making crippling debt and also being indoctrinated in a spiritually crippling way.

Today, one has to self-censor at all universities (freedom of inquiry and freedom of speech is curtailed by political correctness) and there is no longer a guest for truth in the humanities.  One sends a child into the class and they come out with LGBTQ indoctrination due to the fact that they have to select one of these courses.... no matter what they are studying. I have watched several interviews with students..... they are not learning to think any longer.  It is truly better to learn a vocation..

There are some sciences that are still good but most have to follow the Darwinian dogma.

43 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Do not scientists, for the most part, urinate all over Genesis and blood?

The new religion is science and technology - even pseudo-science has replaced God. And science these days is without scruples or ethics.  Saw a headline yesterday....... a mouse has been produced with 4 %  human genes.  Why? Most probably they had discovered that all lab mice were too interbred to have provided proper results in the last 25 years.. Who knows why. 

The research done in China labs and by the BIG tech giants is frightening and could put the future of humans in jeopardy -  if they carry on with what they are doing.  The developments in science are so quick at present that governments are not keeping up with proper legislation... and atheist countries do not care to place restrictions on these unscrupulous people.  To them it is a race to dominate the world with a new discovery...... and in this quest there are more than enough funds available from renegade, atheist super rich capitalists and oligarchs who wish to make more money from the results.

I saw a headline recently - the earlier vaccines were grown on animal material. There is talk that pharma covered up when they found retro-viruses in vaccines that were produced via monkey kidney material.  Since most animals have corona virusses ..... there is talk that AIDS originated from vaccines.

There was a court case filed end of Dec 2019 - here's what was copied from the headpiece of the document: Case 1:19-cv-11947 Document 1 Filed 12/31/19 Page 1 of 36.

This court case results did not appear in any media. There was no settlement in this lawsuit. It was mutually dissolved by both sides (plaintiffs/defendants) but the U.S. District Judge's (Hon. Lewis J. Limon) signed a stipulation acknowledging that the defendants (The CDC) could not produce any copies of safety studies - proving that safety studies were never done on vaccines.  They only produced 20 unrelated documents.

So NO safety studies were ever done and yet these pharma corporations, through lobbying, obtained blanket immunity from congress just before the turn of the century. They are not being held accountable in a court of law and a cap of 30 thousand dollars is placed on litigation for people who have  been injured by vaccines in court.  If your child is autistic one needs thousands upon thousands for special teachers etc.  This is the level of corruption going on in the system. The safety claims are fraudulent!

I found it on another website but this was sent me by someone:

www.youtube.com/watch

To get to the meat start at 34:14. If you scroll down to around the 10th commenter, (Joe Knipp), outlines the show. At the very end circa 1:01:00 Del gives the CDC the ultimatum: Either take down the prominent declaration on their website that states Vaccines doesn't cause autism or ICAN is gonna pursue every possible legal avenue.

47 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

many of them see no contradiction between science and the spiritual world—

There IS no contradiction between science and the spiritual world if scientists follow only to where the truth leads them. Unfortunately in the modern world, science has lost the ball because they follow preconceived ideas that there is no god. So anything which may suggest design or anything hinting at God in the conclusion, simply has to be discarded and replaced with a different hypothesis and outcome.

1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

Pharisees and Sadducee

Apart from this legal entity (Sanhedrin) which had already been infiltrated by Greek oratory thinking, and was the highest authority in religious and self-governing matters of the Jews, there was a group of Christian apostles and elders in Jerusalem, according to acts 15, which took the lead.

They appointed 7 brothers of good repute to divide the food amongst the widows because these brothers had to keep busy with the commission Jesus gave the apostles, namely to oversee the Christian congregations and ensure that false teachings did not slip in. They were led by James at the time when Paul and Barnabas came to testify about the gentiles receiving holy spirit  while not circumcised.  The decision of this body (not called a GB then) was sent out to all congregations. Acts 6:1 -6 and Acts 15 "So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question."

On 5/24/2020 at 10:06 PM, 4Jah2me said:

think that their Organisation's standards are higher than the standards of 'the world'.

If only  half percent of JWs did a bad thing, you will focus only on the half percent with OCD attention span. 

You yourself know that the bible indicates that people can become wicked - why even Jesus lost one of his twelve apostles - which is actually a little over 8 percent.