Arauna

I notice the small things wherein jehovah has given direction to his people...... Even if it is right in front of your face you will not see it because your entire personality (from what I see in your writing) is consumed by hate for the GB and JWs....... to the extent that you are even putting your family at risk on the altar to your hate.  

You only use the word father or other derivation. .. not the name yehovah AND REFUSE TO SEE THAT THE GB has been vindicated.

I just typed in " call on name" and a list of scriptures like this one came up:

"Give thanks to Jehovah, call on his name ,Make his deeds known among the peoples!  2 Sing to him, sing."    ........so you do not obey the bible when you refuse to use the name of God and use only the word father instead. Are you  sure you obey the bible? 

Zeph 3:9  the pure language is linked  to the entire earth calling on the name of Jehovah.

Joel 2: 32 And everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as Jehovah has said,The survivors whom Jehovah calls...

And jehovah has a 'people' for his name - just turned out the had the name right all along!  Acts 15:14

3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

there was NO letter J in the Hebrew

If you know Arabic or Hebrew you will know that a "y" is pronounced the closest to a "j" in the English language. In other languages it is pronounced very similar to the Hebrew pronunciation such as my own language which a form of Dutch as well as swedish etc. Etc. In English the "j" is the closest to "y".

But you are again deviating from the issue.  You were promoting yahweh or yehwah while the witnesses have always accepted  jehovah.

While I do accept the are GB are not inspired, I do believe they are guided by Jehovahs spirit. 

50 minutes ago, Witness said:

given ample proof that "Jehovah" is an

And I have given you a video above which has the name of Jehovah in the national archives of Israel seven times in one manuscript - it has the original pointer system in the name "yehovah" which proves this is the correct pronunciation. This manuscript is exhibited together with the oldest manuscript of the Hebrew scriptures. The name with its pointer system was there all along but no-one noticed it before.

6 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

So what is in front or Your eyes you don't believe.  

You do not believe Jehovahs spirit works on the GB ..... then please explain why the GB  used the correct pronunciation all along - because the newest information proves in more  than 1000 Hebrew manuscripts with its point system -  that jehovah is the correct pronunciation. 

On 4/7/2020 at 3:56 PM, JW Insider said:

saw encamped armies surrounding the city. As far as we can tell, this full siege didn't actually happen until 70, but there must have been some kind of "surrounding" by Gallus' armies before they tried to breach the city in 66. This would have been quite visible, and Jewish guerrilla forces were reported to be quite active drumm

Roman armies would definitely have camped just out of reach of arrow fire, building siege engines and ramps in 66CE. They had breached a part of the wall and suddenly left when Vespasian legions were needed elsewhere.

17 hours ago, Kosonen said:

am sure the requirements are very high

It is not by works but as you say, to be pure from this world and have the personality reflecting the Spirit of Jehovah. (5 virgins did not have enough oil - not enough of jehovahs spirit) . But keep in mind they receive undeserved kindness from Jehovah like everyone else.

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

that about 5,000 or so have left the

We have quite a few Russians here in Rep of Georgia because they do not need a Visa here. Two sisters from Ossetia. 

For Norway or other countries they have to work and apply for residence or apply for asylum. Most ex-Russian countries are now starting to persecute JWs......especially  those who still have Russian mindset but do not include countries which are part of NATO.

37 minutes ago, Kosonen said:

if you had me in mind.

No dear.... relax.... but thanks for caring. 

On 4/6/2020 at 1:03 AM, paulus said:

But it is sad that this site which I believe was set up to provide encouragement and support to Brothers and sisters around the world tolerates these idiots and there attempts to lead astray fellow witnesses. Sorry but unfortunately I have strong fellings on this matter, hence the language.

My dear brother, I understand where you are coming from........ I myself hate the really subtle deceit on this open public forum (you can join the closed section where you are approved to join)....... and have spoken out myself  in very strong terms.  However, I think it is a good place to learn self-control in speech and not use derogatory names.  We must develop spirit of christ.

Some people here learn absolutely nothing from others. They are here for one purpose only........ to be subversive.  I have learnt to just ignore the most outrageous comments and direct attacks against my logic and even my personal  sanity....

I definitely do not do it perfectly but I am getting a little better at it! 

You will notice here on this forum, what I call OCD.  A syndrome of compulsive, repetitious, unremitting hate for anything to do with the GB or JWs. 

Despite this: under this subject above there has been one or two very interesting comments such as the historical facts around 66CE.  Good job by the contributor..... I may also add that the zealots were giving Rome an extremely  hard time due to guerilla warfare /attacks.  Rome left Palestine at this time.... (Rome started to call the area Palestine), because they needed their soldiers in other areas. Vespasian left for Rome (if I remember correctly). There were wars to determine the next Ceasar and Vespasian came out tops.  His son Titus returned to Jerusalem in 7O CE when the rule in Rome was secured.  ROME really wanted to get rid of the zealots called sicarii....... assassins and a large number of them were controlling Jerusalem.  Titus himself was almost killed upon his return on his way to Jerusalem by such an ambush.  The battle in 70 CE was ferocious...... from wall to wall and street to street.  The tree barricade put up later around the city stopped people from getting out of Jerusalem with surprise attacks on the Roman's.  No wonder the Roman's were so harsh when the battle came to an end and the temple was burnt.  After this the name jehovah was also banned from use. 

On 4/7/2020 at 9:51 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

GB understanding of political moves in Russia didn't be of much use and "they didn't escape on time" from Russia

We live in a world where brothers cannot go to another country and illegally immigrate unless you are classified a migrant from a 3rd world or accepted country. So the GB unselfishly remained in Russia to support the brothers, who could not flee , as long as possible.

So much for those saying the GB just cares about assets.  Here they clearly risked assets to be able to support brothers....

On 4/7/2020 at 1:19 AM, Witness said:

It was Jesus’ word against the leadership of the Pharisees.  Today, it is any sole anointed and their words of truth, against today’s 8 “Pharisees”.  Rev 13: 11,12, 14-17; Dan 11:27

You know! Those in leadership at the time this piece of fine “fruit” was published? 

 

Instead of being hung on a stake for speaking truth, they are considered spiritually "dead".  John 16:2; Rev 13:15  But, you probably will excuse it, and all other false doctrine by the WT, expecting everyone affected by this false teaching to just suck it up I suppose, and deal with it. 

Jesus spoke out against liars and their lies.   And, he warned those of his “household” (Eph 2:19-22) what their own people would call them who did the same,

It is enough for a disciple that he be like his tea

The pharisees as a class rejected jesus. There were only individuals like Nicodemus who accepted Jesus and many of them were afraid to speak out. 

As a class in Jerusalem they conspired together to have him killed.  They all hated him.  The Sanhedrin took the final action as the legal entity granted limited powers by the Romans.

The could not get him on biblical grounds and reverted to political means. 

15 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

even today not many of the world's population know it as God's name. They

The bible translators knew the name. Jehovah appears about 5 times in the original King James version.  In south Africa all the native translations had the name in it more than 6000 times but the same company (which printed the Afrikaans bible) took the name completely out of it in 1933. 

Yea, JWs did stick to using this pronunciation: Jehovah! .... ..just amazing how the Spirit of Jehovah works!  It will be right in front of your eyes and you will not acknowledge  it...... 

Here in Georgia the orthodox church is going ahead with Easter meetings and offer wine in the same spoon to everyone!   They believe God will protect them.  They forget about the scripture where Jesus said we must not put God to the test.

We had brother Sanders (GB)  give our talk via Zoom in Tbilisi. It was simple and down to earth....... loved it! 

14 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

find a well chewed pacifier .....

I do not find this to be a joke simply because I object to be controlled by anyone!....... and the implication that we are babies and cannot think for ourselves . ..... well it is a blatant lie..... albeit in a joke.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Bible with a made-up name and exalt

Like the pharisees saw the miracles of Jesus but refused to acknowledge them, you are doing the same. There is ample proof about the name of Jehovah....but your fruits are poisonous, everyone who eats them will die.

1 hour ago, Kosonen said:

But who understands Ezekiel 38? As we know that chapter speaks about a safe and quiet place where believers in

“This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah says: ‘In that day thoughts will come into your heart, and you will devise an evil plan.  11 You will say: “I will invade the land of unprotected settlements. I will come against those living in security, without disturbance, all of them living in settlements unprotected by walls, bars, or gates.”

It is not called a 'quiet' place but a 'secure' place.  Look at the scripture again...It speaks of a land.... . Remember, JWs are a nation who live all over the earth. (The chapter indicates this nation has been restored from all the nations of the earth).  A nation has a country or a.... 'land'.  But we are spread over the earth? 

Just like the "Israel of God" in Galations 6: 15 & 16  is a spiritual Jew (which is not 'circumcised or uncircumcised' ) this refers to a spiritual land where all Jehovahs people are already dwelling in a secure place - with Him and have His protection..  But to a fleshly king, the king of the north and the coalition of the kings of the earth, we look like easy prey. WHY ? 

We are like unprotected lambs for the slaughter to him because our land has no visible protection.   We are his  Big mistake!   He, under direction of Satan, has already started to attack us, confiscating property etc. As the scripture indicates, his allies, a coalition of kings will bring a full out attck in the final days..... but when their attack is to totally destroy Jehovahs people, jehovah will act on "Israel's" (the spiritual Jew's)  behalf.

"In the final part of the days I will bring you against my land so that the nations may know me when I sanctify myself through you before their eyes, O Gog.”

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

can be sure does he know enough about it and what is his "agenda" :))

He is a language scholar. He critisized the scholars who have German as their first language because they are influenced by Yiddish.  Arabic speakers are also influenced  by Arabic.

He has collected more than a 1000 references in ancient hebrew manuscripts where the point system is present in Jehovahs name.  JWs use the pronunciation correctly.  

1 hour ago, b4ucuhear said:

Arauna's video post above or frankly the post of anybody who

You are right.  He (Nehemia Gordon) does debunk the idea. He says that people who do this ( break up ye-hovah) have a very superficial knowledge of Hebrew.

There are few words with 2 root letters (consonants). In Hebrew.  Most words have at least 3 consonants. (Similar to Arabic).  I saw a video with Nehemia Gordon where he corrects this presenter in the above video.  

This presenter is confusing people because one cannot break up Hebrew words. Similar to the English word "enchanting" .  Take the 'en' off the front of the word and one has the word "chanting". Enchanting and chanting does not  have the same meaning.

10 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

to say "Father" or "Heavenly Father" w

He even discusses that.  If you want to know the truth and really want to follow the truth....... why make up a title ?   Do you want to know what is the true name of God is and its true pronunciation?  

This scholar goes into the number of times the titles for God is used in the bible such as God, Lord etc....... and he says the name Jehovah on average is used 3 times on every page in the Hebrew scriptures - much more than the other titles.  He says the tetragrammaton is there but the Jews replace it with the world lord or god when they read it.

He also indicates that it was after the destruction of Jerusalem that the practice of not using the name "Jehovah" became permanent tradition because the Romans burned a Rabbi (his tomb is still in Israel) for using the name Jehovah.  They wanted the name stamped out because it defined them as separate from other nations. 

Other Rabbis were in fear and stopped using the name. 

12 hours ago, Kosonen said:

The WT has not been able to give us understanding about what kind of literal flight Jehovah's witnesses will at least partially undertake according to a few prophecies in the

9 hours ago, Kosonen said:

your trip to queensland, australia.

I lived in Africa for 45 years.......... a violent continent and Islamists creating havoc.  You have a very good chance of having your head chopped off with a machete or slowly tortured to death.

I recently lived in Europe -  violence is increasing and in future we will see major upheavals with the cultures that do not get along.  (The UN will bring in their rules to get everyone to live together under strict surveillance).  I now live in Asia Minor in a reasonably safe place but all the countries around me could become dangerous suddenly.  Russia, Iran, Turkey to name but just a few.  My husband and I have decided to die here and face Armageddon here.  It is as good as any other place.

Australia and Japan are in fear of China because china is becoming aggressive in its territorial aspirations. China has already bribed most Indonesian countries. Australia has severe problems as well and do not like new immigrants.

Bottom line:  In previous historical times there were places to flee to but everyone has now run out of places.... and you will not qualify as a "migrant"  if you come from a first world country. In any case " The Internet of Things"  which is being planned for mankind, and is "by their estimations" to be  implemented by 2022, will track you wherever you go. G5 being installed in most cities now as we speak. The new vaccinations against Corona will ensure it..... they are talking about putting a chip in the vaccination so you will not be able to travel if you do not scan it in and have the right traveling credentials.

No place to hide...... only in your room on your knees where Jehovah says you can wait on him  OR with your fellow believers in prison.   I must say, although the prison scenario will definitely be cramped and dirty....... and to add some spice.....not all JW personalities are easy to get along with.... it is better to be with them than living in total anarchy........ because this will be the scenario before and during Armageddon. 

At least in jail we can pray together and sing together and support each other.  The situation will not be ideal but we can count on Jehovah's angels to be there.  The authorities may even get to kill  a few JWs before Jehovah steps in.

Who knows?  But I am not adverse to go to jail with my brothers and sisters....... better place to be ...huddled together.

Unfortunately the time for sentiment is over...... the realities will soon hit home when very nasty events under Satan's control start to happen.

8 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

I'm now using the name Yahweh

If you go to the Youtube channel for Hebrew language scholar, Nehemia Gordon, and listen to some of his presentations you will find that Yehovah is the correct pronunciation...... in his video he goes into all the deviations which you were discussing up above.

11 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

You don’t think there are some unbalanced ones who wil

In Sweden it happened that someone partook.  She had so many personal problems and later on she just passed off the scene...... disappeared.  Because I was a foreigner I did not catch up with the news about her.

On 4/5/2020 at 1:50 AM, Witness said:

by using a hybrid name developed by men. 

This Hebrew scholar has collected more than 1000 MANUSCRIPTS which has the pointer system in Hebrew in them and these manuscripts CONFIRM the name's pronunciation to be Jehovah.....

Here is another interesting chat about the meaning of the name:

Here are just seven of the manuscripts he found: 

Trying to make a case where there is none. Mischief by conjecture.... 

2 minutes ago, Witness said:

ONLY the organization has done so.  

Thank Jehovah for that!

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

JW Org don't actually want to think on those things. Is it to gory for you all ? 

No- we think on those symbols and the life it presents for us. By the death of christ we receive opportunity to life everlasting - we think about the last hours of christ, his suffering and loyalty to jehovah. We do not believe as the Catholics do in transsubstatiation -  that the wine supernaturally turns into real blood. So we do not find it gory.......

The Israelites left slavery and were set free on passover when the passover lamb was slaughtered and blood put on doors.  We were set free from everlasting death when Jesus (the passover lamb) was slaughtered.

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

All we have to do is stay loyal to God, no matter what, and let the chips fall where

Well put my dear!