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Ok.... Hitler did not eat meat and that did not make him holy.... so what is the point? Hippies are holy ? 
If  punks or hippies do not go to war it still does not identify them with the people who is described in Isaiah 2:4 ,,,, a people who flock to jehovah's worship out of all the nations and learn war no more....... in the time of the end.
So your answer is that JWs tell lies about jah's kingdom? JWs  are just about the only ones who understand the kingdom to be a real government. .... the other part of the answer given is just hate-OCD.
I suffer a sample the many  illogical interpretations of scripture quite regularly here on this forum. It is a good example of what 'independence'  does. A freedom to follow your own desires and interpretations which make no sense. 
Let me make it clear: I feel deeply sorry for those who suffer from the real disease. However I call those out here who only have one MO and a brain which has only one track..... that of vicious hatefullness.  
This OCD I refer to here on this forum is a hate-OCD. No matter what the subject is, (the subject may be unrelated to the GB and immorality..). but the subject is twisted so the same hate for  the GB and JWs comes up..... . There is no reasonableness or a willingness to even discuss....... it is a return (over and over) to the same MO and the same words  and same old blanket accusations  .....over and over and over ...... get my drift?  If I have OCD .... it is a hate for the hate-OCD. Lol. 
 

I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life, apparently designed to demonstrate that there is no God:

See original: https://partiallyexaminedlife.com/2012/08/02/the-flow-problem-of-evil/
 
The dopiest part has to be the boxes at bottom and lower left. They pose a dilemma akin to: “Can God make a mountain that he cannot move?”
People who would have you believe that they are ‘thinkers’ assume they have knocked it out of the park with this ‘gotcha.’
The most skilled critical thinkers of our age employ their intellect to miss what is right before their nose. Their underlying assumption, entirely unproven, is that God should be Santa Claus, showering presents without regard for whoever is naughty or nice. If he doesn’t do that, then there must be no God.
[Edit....I played with this one all morning and eventually expanded it to something I put on my own blog. Comment on it here, if you will, not there, since my own comment section is selective and does not stay open long in any event:
https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2020/04/this-has-to-be-one-of-the-stupidest-charts-i-have-ever-seen-on-evil-and-suffeirng.html ]

It's a good thing God created a physical Universe as available Real Estate for the sons and daughters of DNA ... or the Universe would have never been created ... and WE WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN BORN
Only DNA has the ability to make "something new" .... and we should be appreciative that it is God's good pleasure to create and nurture, and create an environment ( currently a 30 billion or so diameter light year in diameter Universe), and to infuse in us a burning, insatiable curiosity about all things in this Universe ... and a hunger to explore .... and to "boldly go where no man has gone before".
Do I want to be a heavenly angel, and never taste ice cold Welsh's grape juice, again... and never sail across an endless sea of stars, forever learning about how this Universe works ... or never pioneer an entirely new planet, somewhere out there in the galaxy, blasting a gap in a mountain pass to get my Conestoga wagon through, with my wife, my animals and a pack of dogs following happily behind. to the lush green valley beyond?
NO
As far as I am concerned, it is the static creations of angelic life that are second class citizens.
But then again, different strokes, for different folks ....,
... and it is not in the slightest what we want ... it is all about what Jehovah wants.
 
 

https://meaww.com/coronavirus-womens-deaths-domestic-abuse-complaints-turkey-amid-lockdown-measures-21-dead
France and Australia first reported a spike in domestic violence figures since the outbreak of COVID-19 and issue of stay-at-home orders. Research has shown that a forced domestic life and isolation only spurs domestic violence within the household, considering factors like financial stability and unemployment which are both rising concerns during the pandemic.

DENVER — Heartbreak and hope happen every day inside hospitals.
The James family experienced heartbreak when 26-year-old Amber James couldn't breathe. She went to a nearby hospital in Thornton but was transferred to Presbyterian/St. Luke's Medical Center in Denver when her condition got worse. 
James tested positive for COVID-19 while she was 33 weeks pregnant. 
“I’m here at home powerless not knowing what to do I can’t do anything," said Brett James, her husband, who was not allowed to visit her. "I had never been away from her while she was sick. Ever." 
Less than 24 hours after Amber was transferred, doctors put her on a ventilator. 
The next day, doctors performed an emergency cesarean section to save her baby. 
“And it came to the point where we needed to get the baby out for baby’s sake and it was a risk to mom," said Dr. Roy Bergstrom, an OB Hospitalist in the Obstetrix Medical Group who helped care for Amber James. 
Bergstrom said he and his team have performed more than a dozen emergency cesarean sections on moms with COVID-19. 
This one was different. 
“We’re Jehovah's Witnesses so we don’t accept blood, and that was the biggest struggle for me," said Brett James. "Because the doctor just straight told me, he’s like, 'so if she starts bleeding, you want us to let her die?' Just like that. And well yeah that’s our religion and that’s what we believe in." 
Bergstrom said he had conversations with Amber James about this before she was intubated. 
“It was definitely both an ethically challenging thing, and an emotionally challenging thing knowing that may come to be a factor in her care," he said. 
Luckily, there were no complications in Amber's C-section, and baby Michilah survived. 
https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/doctors-deliver-mothers-baby-while-shes-unconscious-on-a-ventilator-because-of-covid-19/73-6f33adf5-9c2d-4f5f-a155-370effe4d357

Of the 87 Jehovah's Witnesses on trial in 39 cases for "continuing the activities of a banned extremist organisation" for exercising freedom of religion or belief, 85-year-old Yelena Zayshchuk is the oldest. Five fellow defendants in her case are in their sixties or seventies. All face up to six years' imprisonment if convicted. Two defendants in their sixties died in April before trials began.
At least 18 of the 87 Jehovah's Witnesses on trial on charges of "continuing the activities of a banned extremist organisation" for exercising their right to freedom of religion or belief are in their sixties, seventies or eighties. Another defendant died in Kirov in April shortly before the first full hearing was due in his trial. Another man died in Smolensk in April after investigators submitted the case against him to prosecutors and before it reached court. Both those who died were in their sixties.
 
 
The oldest defendant is 85-year-old Yelena Zayshchuk, whom the FSB security service took in for questioning after raiding her home in Vladivostok in April 2018. Her family "do not understand why they are persecuting an elderly and sick person who has done nothing wrong to anyone", Jehovah's Witnesses commented (see below).

Among the other six on trial with Zayshchuk is Nina Purge, who is due to be 80 on 19 June. Four of the other defendants are women in their sixties or seventies. The Judge has sent the case back to prosecutors (see below).

Yury Geraskov, who died in Kirov at the age of 64, had not spent any time in detention, but "stress connected with persecution for his faith had negatively affected Yury's health", Jehovah's Witnesses noted (see below).

Viktor Malkov, who died in Smolensk at the age of 61, had spent eight months in detention and nearly four months under house arrest. He had suffered from coronary heart disease and kidney problems. "Viktor's health was largely influenced by poor conditions in pre-trial detention centres and the stress associated with criminal prosecution", Jehovah's Witnesses noted (see below).

Sergey Mysin is on trial in Ulyanovsk despite serious health concerns. Jehovah's Witnesses say he was discharged early from intensive care in October 2019 after FSB security service officers went to the hospital to insist on his treatment being stopped. The Ulyanovsk Region FSB refused to answer any questions from Forum 18 on the incident (see below).

Two of the other defendants are men who have already been convicted in another, overlapping trial (see below).

Despite the coronavirus pandemic, there is no sign of early release, however, for those Jehovah's Witnesses currently in pre-trial detention. Several are worried about the danger of contracting the disease (see below).

The Moscow-based Public Verdict human rights group warns of poor conditions in Russian prisons, such as "overcrowding, poor ventilation, lack of medical staff, poor medical care, and serious health problems, including chronic conditions and lowered immunity among inmates and staff alike" (see below).

Nina Purge
Read full article: http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2571

These are shocking things. Unfortunately, they are in a land in which shocking things have become routine. It becomes no different than the persecutions of Christians in the first century. Those one who have died have become martyrs.
Nobody wants to be a martyr. Nobody wants to die. It is inconvenient and it makes people feel bad. Still, our friends stay strong under persecution—they are doing us proud and we pray that we shall be so steadfast should the time come. 
What keeps them strong is their confidence in the resurrection hope to “the real life” of 1 Timothy 6:19. It is a confidence that few of their persecutors have. By reason of their hope, they cannot be manipulated into violating conscience, as history demonstrates most people can.
 

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/perpetual-crisis-now-who-telling-us-covid-19-may-never-go-away
The truth is that this pandemic could still potentially be in the early chapters.  The Spanish Flu pandemic lasted for three full years, and we could possibly be facing a similar scenario.
And this week WHO official Mike Ryan warned that this virus could even become “endemic”, and if that happens it “may never go away”…
In other words, Ryan is saying that this virus could become like a flu that keeps reappearing year after year.
So what are we going to do if that happens?
Are we supposed to have shutdowns every year whenever a new wave of COVID-19 infections starts happening?

China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists
Another first hand report from a citizen in Wuhan (hit the cc symbol during the video to understand)
Wuhan has over 11,000,000 in population.


Wuhan, China high speed trains have been stopped. 

Imagine the potential this has to "derail" the world economy at its weakest moment.

An outbreak of a novel coronavirus was initially identified during mid-December 2019 in the city of Wuhan in central China, as an emerging cluster of people with pneumonia with no clear cause. The outbreak was linked primarily to stallholders who worked at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, which also sold live animals. Chinese scientists isolated a new strain of coronavirus – given the initial designation of 2019-nCoV – which has been found to be at least 70 percent similar in genome sequence to SARS-CoV. With the development of a specific diagnostic PCR test for detecting the infection, a number of cases were confirmed in people directly linked to the market and in those who were not directly associated with it. Whether this virus is of the same severity or lethality as SARS is unclear

The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledged that the respiratory illness is an emergency in China, but said it is too early to declare it a global one. - Thursday, January 23, 2020 (Evidently they were waiting to see "person to person spread outside of mainland China" before calling it "global") Nyka Alexander explains in this video - Then they finally call it a Worldwide Emergency a week later but that no travel should be inhibited. 
Virus Expert On The Wuhan Coronavirus Outbreak: 'We Must Treat It Extremely Seriously' | TIME Video
Video of a Chinese medical doctor in the city of Wuhan in tears announcing that there are too many cases of sick people
Stillshot photo of a hospital waiting room with dead bodies on the floor causing many to question the official current # of fatalities seen above
Doctor comments on the never before seen virality of this virus - It appears to double in size every 2 days (based on suspected low Chinese #'s)
Age distribution of fatal cases in China
Comparison w/ the Spanish Influenza of 1918 which killed 50,000,000 people
Could this be a bioweapon that got loose?

People queueing outside a Wuhan drug store to buy face masks and medical supplies
This is a patient who had a high fever in the Wuhan Red Cross Hospital (Wuhan Eleventh Hospital) a few days ago, convulsing!
VIDEO: Entire family with Coronavirus is escorted to an ambulance
In general, coronaviruses spread like the flu:
Through the air by coughing or sneezing. Through close personal contact, such as touching a person or shaking hands. By touching a contaminated surface then touching your mouth, nose or eyes. The same precautions you’d take for the flu generally apply to coronaviruses:
Wash your hands well and often. Cough or sneeze into your sleeve — not into your hands. Keep your distance from sick people. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is studying the new virus and may be making specific recommendations if needed. Carole Mathews and Mike Cotey of Employment Security’s Safety Program are monitoring news and will pass on any new information.

The electron micrograph (100 nm) of the first virus strain collected in Wuhan, China
Debunking some medical rumors

 
 

drop the three then you have it correct - lol

He tries to come across as a reasonable person.... which you definitely are not.
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I see these OCD reactions all the time from you and view them as a medal......  I even started to react this way as well and realized that mental derangement can be contagious in some ways. ..... LOL    

You better start applying for a visa then and see how easy it is to get one.... Imagine 8 million people applying for visas all at once because like a Waco-cult they recon they have to be at a specific place together. 
It need not be a literal place...... but you are stuck on that idea ... because it is your own idea.  Many people do not see it as a literal wilderness.

You better start applying for a visa then and see how easy it is to get one.... Imagine 8 million people applying for visas all at once because like a Waco-cult they recon they have to be at a specific place together. 
It need not be a literal place...... but you are stuck on that idea ... because it is your own idea.  Many people do not see it as a literal wilderness.

Or what about in a culture were that does not matter?

So right!  It is the same as people that call Jehovah a dictator because he desires exclusive devotion and obedience. 
But I can give the answer to that and Mr Kosonen will again ignore what I say and go on with his theories.  So if he is really interested in the logical and the truthful answer, I want to give him a project to think about:  what is needed for all people on earth to be united and live in harmony and peace!
Please write down a list of things you think will be needed to bring this about...... then we can talk further.  Let the philosopher or prophet in Mr Kosonen come out!

Frankly, this is a rationale and line of thinking I would expect Satan the Devil to accuse God of. There can be no question that Jehovah is a loving God who is interested in the welfare of his creation. After all, look what he has done and provided for us - including his own son. He didn't owe us anything. As sinners, all of us were already under the sentence of death. It was an underserved kindness and gracious gift from God that any of us could have a salvation we could never merit/achieve on our own. They idea of Jehovah's name being sanctified and made holy has much broader implications than your assertion of "egotism" suggests. An illustration: Let's say, you have all your money - the money you hope to retire on as well as the inheritance for your children tied up in a bank. Like many people you may want to invest that money with a financial advisor. You hear the guy is the best guy to invest with, but also hear some disturbing accusations: that he is a liar; that he has stolen the life savings of others and is even a money-launderer for the mob and has to go to court to face those accusations. Would you hand him all your money? Not unless you had an intimate knowledge of the man and knew all the facts. But most people would have questions and likely not put their trust in that advisor until the court action was settled. Until the verdict was established for all to see as to whether the charges are true or not. Whether his reputation can stand scrutiny. Once it is established that all the accusations are slanderous lies, you would feel comfortable investing then and only then, wouldn't you? 
In a similar way, there are many beautiful blessings Jehovah has in store for all creation in harmony with his purpose for them. But Satan has raised some troubling accusations. That God is a liar who can't be trusted. That he withholds good things from his children and later, that humans don't need him and would do better on their own, that he is a cruel God that tortures people forever in hellfire... Added to the facts is that some of those closest to him have also turned against him including perfect men and angels. So who would want to serve a sovereign with those accusations in place, even if the promises for the future were wonderful? Promises wouldn't be so wonderful if he couldn't carry them out or he was a liar as charged. These issues have universal and everlasting implications. So it shouldn't be so hard to accept that the sanctification of Jehovah's name is necessary for everything else to take place. All good things we can benefit from, hinge on our love and trust in him. That we recognize that he knows what is best for us and has the right to decide, on a universal level, for all eternity, to make those decisions. Not only because he is the creator. Not only because he has shown his love for us at great cost to himself. But also because of who he is as a person. Those types of issues simply don't go away and can't be solved only by man's salvation. Spirit creatures are involved too. His reputation is intrinsically linked to his will and good purposes in behalf of mankind and yes, all living creatures - even those dead in the ground. Selfishly thinking that we are most important is the way a baby thinks, not a mature spiritual man. However, trusting that Jehovah as a loving father will do anything and become anything that is necessary to rescue his children from certain death is tied up with who we believe he is - his reputation. Hence, the sanctification of his name is of such importance as Jesus himself showed in his model prayer. It's not a question of "either-or." One is directly related to the other.
 

That's a stretch of logic. No one is saying that all DFs are done correctly, but you can't say that a mistake is done on purpose just because it turned out to be wrong. A teacher can mark a student wrong for spelling potato as potatoe, but that doesn't mean the teacher made the mistake on purpose. Disfellowshipping is not "killing." That's just another mistake, too. Jehovah sees the heart no matter what mistakes are made on earth.

Usually a good idea. And always a good idea in principle. But we don't need to make a law out of every principle, or we would be just like the Pharisees.
Imagine a case of incestuous rape in a culture where the rape victim will not likely ever be hired for a job, or will not be considered as a potential marriage partner, etc.

@JW Insider Pretty much the power of the glorious search engine on the website. Likewise anything pertaining to other faiths, even the Unitarian, you have to search for.
You cannot assume for the majority, for God knows his people, who is for him regardless of where they are, their background, etc.

Spot on.  The MO is always the same. They cannot help themselves.

That's pretty much it. Any group of people be it of a faith or even race, the action of one person does not define the actions of others, for someone to have such a mind said is professing bigotry in some way or form, this is the same case I am currently making with the Ahmaud Abrey shooting to ignorant folks that think everything they see on the news is 100% accurate.
Going back to God's Laws, yes, imperfect people will indeed break something, but never can it be an excuse to assume that because one person did something, everyone else is the same, a strong case I made against Mr. B on this forum several times over, as is with Witness and the others, whom as a collective, do not understand a thing.

There is a difference between not seeing eye-to-eye on certain matters or even recognizing the fact that sometimes things happen within the CCJW that shouldn't happen. Even best of friends or husbands and wives will disagree on matters once-in-a-while. But being in "opposition" is taking it a step farther. It indicates a mental attitude or inclination that is almost always negative, contrary with an agenda - even trying to "draw disciples after themselves." 
Please don't twist my words to suit your argument by insinuating I had suggested all who disagree "should join together/be united as one" against the CCJWs. My actual words (see below) were practical, suggesting it's not our job to put out every fire someone who disagrees with us starts, or clean up the mess of those flinging so much mud against the wall from many different directions in the hope that something will stick. Why don't those who seem to have differences with JWs first do among themselves what they are expecting us to do? It is obvious you don't even agree amongst yourselves on many points. Why don't you take the time to correct each other first and see what (if anything) merits further consideration? For example: Do you agree that we should all flee to Australia? Or that the COVID pandemic is punishment from God? No? Why not? If this is an open forum, why shouldn't you feel free to question some of the other assertions that you don't agree with from other posters too?
 
"Trap?" What trap? Many people are opposers. Do you think the Russian government, Satan's system, apostates and demonstrators are not in opposition to what JW's believe or teach? 
 

The definition in a dictionary does not do justice to the wickedness of this woman. The history of this woman tells you how wicked she was - not a definition of her name.  She exterminated Jehovahs prophets from Israel, and acted in total lawlessness. She promoted the deprived Baal worship everywhere and the deprived rituals that were part of the fertility rights of Baal and Ashtorah.   Elijah thought that he was the only worshiper of jehovah left in Israel..... and felt depressed. This was after he had seen fire come out of heaven in support from jehovah.... but her wicked influence was so great in the country.
No wonder jehovah had the entire family exterminated. Her daughter, Atelijah, ruled Juda for 6 years if I remember correctly.  Her husband and her own sons were killed so that she could rule.  The high priest saved Josiah from being killed. He started to rule at age of 8 after she was destroyed.
Today, opposers of Jehovah's worship and his nation are just as vicious, but in more subtle manner.  Their only goal in life is to destroy Jehovah's people as a nation and subvert the truth.  They are happy if they can break the integrity of JWs and sow doubt.  Their goals are the same as that of Jezebel.