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    Arauna reacted to JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    If we use Matthew, Mark, Luke (but not John) we see that Jesus died around 3pm on Friday, just before Sabbath, which would have started around 7:30pm close to Nisan 14. (The Jewish calendar, as you know, starts the new day at sundown.) Jesus remained in the grave the entire Sabbath day (Saturday), and sometime Sunday morning, the women came to the grave and found the body missing, signifying that Jesus had already been raised up.
    At a minimum, therefore, Jesus had therefore been dead for at least 4.5 hours on Friday. Then then entire 24 hours on Saturday. And anywhere from 0 hours to 11 hours on Sunday. Assuming he had been raised during the night watch, or no later than around 6am on Sunday when the women came to the grave. (7:30pm to 6:30am is 11 hours). If we assume, for argument's sake, about half way into the overnight watch, then Jesus was raised around 1:30am.
    So 4/24ths + 24/24ths +6/24 = 34/24ths. (=1+10/24ths) So Jesus was in the grave for around, we could guess, the equivalent of 1.4 days. If you decided to multiply that by 1000 years (per day) you would get only 1,400 years. If you tried to be accurate you could not get less than 1.1875days or 1,188 years and not more than 1.64 days or 1,640 years.
    Of course, you are using Hosea to give you the excuse to round off all of this to two days. (So that you can add exactly 2,000 years to 33CE.) But the Greek Scriptures already round off the number of days to 3, since it was parts of 3 days (even if only a small part of Friday, and a small part of Sunday). This is why the parallel to Jonah was made (where Jonah was in the "grave" for three days). 
    I don't see where you find the right to round off to two days in the "grave" if the Bible rounds to three days, and it was literally only about a day-and-a-half from 3pm Friday to 6am Sunday.
    This whole thing reminds me of the assumption Russell once published, that because the Bible says Abraham's sacrifice of a bird was a "young bird" that the bird can be assumed to be "one year old" and he therefore it was turned into exactly 360 years, using a day for a year and multiplying the year times 360.
    To me, all this seems like you are taking extreme liberties with statements of the Bible that have already been fulfilled, and you are trying to push another fulfillment onto them. I also agree with Arauna that the entire idea of using Jesus' death and resurrection to create a new prophecy does not seem correct. It seems presumptuous to base a prediction of a new prophecy onto one that the Bible says was fulfilled.
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    Arauna reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Now that depends what you mean by the congregation.  In truth the Congregation is only the 144,000 but the term congregation has been misused to represent everyone serving God in one particular way. 
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    Arauna reacted to JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Please explain the difference between the first part of that scripture and the second part. After all there is an "AND" between the two parts so we should be able to understand both the first portion AND the second portion.
    The first part says that one day with Jehovah is as a thousand years. That should be pretty easy. It would mean that one 24-hour day to a man is like 1000-years with Jehovah. Obviously it doesn't mean that Jehovah is 365,000 times slower than humans (as some people consider slowness). Perhaps it could imply that Jehovah can easily manage 1,000 years worth of heavenly accomplishments in a human's 24-hour period of earthly doings.
    Then the second part seems to say the opposite: that 1,000 years of human, earthly doings is like only one day to Jehovah. It's mostly the second part of the verse that Peter is apparently using to show why that final judgment parousia had not begun yet, and why people were already, in those last days, ridiculing the parousia expectations during that first century.
    But when we take both those ideas together, we see that it is really saying that Jehovah is outside of human time restrictions. It's not about giving us a formula that only relies on the second part of the verse. We can't just select only the part that seems useful to our theories. We have to take the whole Bible, where both these statements are true:
    24 hours seems like 1,000 years to Jehovah   (1:365,000) 1,000 years seems like 24 hours to Jehovah   (365,000:1)
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    Arauna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    This was the sign of Jonah they will get.  In the scripture below it indicates that the disciples remembered his words and remembered what Jesus used to say.
     
     19  Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”l 20  The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21  But he was talking about the temple of his body. 22  When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,n and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.
     
    The point here - it is referring not to periods of literal time or the physical temple - but the body of Christ!  I quoted the scripture so you can read it with your own eyes!
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    Arauna reacted to Melinda Mills in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Lending a scriptural passage alluded to above by Arauna.
    2 Samuel 24:10-14
    10  But David’s heart* was struck with remorse+ after he had numbered the people. David then said to Jehovah: “I have sinned+ greatly by doing this. And now, Jehovah, please forgive your servant’s error,+ for I have acted very foolishly.”+ 11  When David got up in the morning, Jehovah’s word came to Gad+ the prophet, David’s visionary, saying: 12  “Go and say to David, ‘This is what Jehovah says: “I am giving you three options. Choose the one that I should bring on you.”’”+ 13  So Gad came in to David and told him: “Should seven years of famine come on your land?+ Or should you flee for three months from your adversaries while they pursue you?+ Or should there be three days of pestilence in your land?+ Now consider carefully what I should reply to the One who sent me.” 14  So David said to Gad: “It is very distressing to me. Let us fall, please, into the hand of Jehovah,+ for his mercy is great;+ but do not let me fall into the hand of man.”+15  Then Jehovah sent a pestilence+ on Israel from the morning until the designated time, so that 70,000 of the people from Dan to Beʹer-sheʹba+ died.+ 16  When the angel stretched out his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, Jehovah felt regret* over the calamity,+ and he said to the angel bringing destruction among the people: “It is enough! Now let your hand drop.” Jehovah’s angel was close to the threshing floor of A·rauʹnah+ the Jebʹu·site."
    Read on, to verse 24, it is interesting.
    This discussion has gone way too far over the brink. Hope the scriptural passage can redeem and refresh in some way.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    There are regular reminders in the news - and those are of child traffickers such as Epstein, the British royal house and many others who "openly" got away with a lifestyle of abuse (not just one under aged - but many, many many...). so I find it strange that you just focus one ONE group. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    In this instance he was speaking figuratively of his BODY - not the congregation or the millennial reign.   
     
    Read verse 21 and you will see Jesus was talking about his personal body -  " "21 but he was talking about the temple of his body".  As I said before' one cannot use this reference to the most sacred event to refer to his reign. 
     
    Out of context because Jehovah spoke about the restoring of his people after genuine repentance NOT about millennial end of times.   "he struck us but he will bind out wounds, He will revive us after two days, on the third day he will raise us up.  We know that the number two and three has significance for the assurance that it will happen. When did Jehovah struck Christian believers down?   However, he did strike Israel when he allowed them to be exiled.
    Now this comparison I can agree with because you are comparing concrete numbers and a specific timed event.  It may apply - but Jehovah is going to cut the time short in order to save some..... so Armageddon can come at any time between today and the date you are giving - which is derived from the flood event.
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    Meanwhile, this Great Tribulation is occurring on Earth, there’s robots running around on Mars doing the best they can.
     
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    …. and just how do you define a “prophetic jump”?
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    Arauna got a reaction from JW Insider in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    It just jars with me to use the resurrection of Jesus as a definite time table for future events.  You see, not one person on earth can compare their life with that of Jesus.  He is absolutely unique.  Most of us who want to live through to the "rest" period of 1000 years made possible by Jehovah  under rulership of his Son, will not be anointed. Many of us may live through and not need a resurrection,  and will live on earth - not heaven.
    The "sign of Jonah" has already taken place (fulfilled in Jesus) and nowhere is there mention in the scriptures that the sign of Jonah will appear again. It relates only to Jesus. 
    Now when you talk of the flood - and last days are in many ways like the flood - that time table I may accept with a pinch of salt.  1914 + 120 = 134
    We are so close now to the UN taking power over from the world authorities to bring Health security, environment security and financial security...... And we know from bible prophecy that UN will rule for one hour with ten new kings. .....
    That one hour may be 12 years or it may be shorter.   Remember, Jehovah is the one who decides the exact day and hour.  So, for now ....  I wait and see.....   Hunger is looming, more pestilences are looming, natural phenomena - disasters - are looming....  and in human society the biggest earthquake ever.... is looming! 
    I went back to Hosea 6 - and I can see you took the scripture out of context.  This is about unfaithful Israel and Juda, how they must repent and return to be healed.   I think one should not just quote the one verse as if it pertains to the beginning of the millennium: 
    Come, and let us return to Jehovah,
    For he has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us.
    He struck us, but he will bind our wounds.
     2 He will revive us after two days.
    On the third day he will raise us up,
    And we will live before him."
     
    I a with you on this - we should be awake and look for the signs that are clear from the scriptures.  
     
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    It just jars with me to use the resurrection of Jesus as a definite time table for future events.  You see, not one person on earth can compare their life with that of Jesus.  He is absolutely unique.  Most of us who want to live through to the "rest" period of 1000 years made possible by Jehovah  under rulership of his Son, will not be anointed. Many of us may live through and not need a resurrection,  and will live on earth - not heaven.
    The "sign of Jonah" has already taken place (fulfilled in Jesus) and nowhere is there mention in the scriptures that the sign of Jonah will appear again. It relates only to Jesus. 
    Now when you talk of the flood - and last days are in many ways like the flood - that time table I may accept with a pinch of salt.  1914 + 120 = 134
    We are so close now to the UN taking power over from the world authorities to bring Health security, environment security and financial security...... And we know from bible prophecy that UN will rule for one hour with ten new kings. .....
    That one hour may be 12 years or it may be shorter.   Remember, Jehovah is the one who decides the exact day and hour.  So, for now ....  I wait and see.....   Hunger is looming, more pestilences are looming, natural phenomena - disasters - are looming....  and in human society the biggest earthquake ever.... is looming! 
    I went back to Hosea 6 - and I can see you took the scripture out of context.  This is about unfaithful Israel and Juda, how they must repent and return to be healed.   I think one should not just quote the one verse as if it pertains to the beginning of the millennium: 
    Come, and let us return to Jehovah,
    For he has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us.
    He struck us, but he will bind our wounds.
     2 He will revive us after two days.
    On the third day he will raise us up,
    And we will live before him."
     
    I a with you on this - we should be awake and look for the signs that are clear from the scriptures.  
     
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Yeah, I’m just kidding Peter, playing around with the silly software here that ranks people solely by how long they’ve been around. Had Walter kept the same moniker he would by now be ranked ubergenius.
    Of course you are right in what you point out.
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    My best guess is that the Scripture in Genesis was talking ONLY about events of that time, and see nothing to indicate otherwise.
    My best guess is that the Scripture in Matthew was talking ONLY about events of that time, and see nothing to indicate otherwise.
    My best guess is that EBP is conflating two entirely different things, like trying to force a relationship between a hippopotamus, and a brick.
     
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    Arauna got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bible Prophecy and 2034. Will you gain spiritual discernment to become a Survivor of the Last Days?   
    It just jars with me to use the resurrection of Jesus as a definite time table for future events.  You see, not one person on earth can compare their life with that of Jesus.  He is absolutely unique.  Most of us who want to live through to the "rest" period of 1000 years made possible by Jehovah  under rulership of his Son, will not be anointed. Many of us may live through and not need a resurrection,  and will live on earth - not heaven.
    The "sign of Jonah" has already taken place (fulfilled in Jesus) and nowhere is there mention in the scriptures that the sign of Jonah will appear again. It relates only to Jesus. 
    Now when you talk of the flood - and last days are in many ways like the flood - that time table I may accept with a pinch of salt.  1914 + 120 = 134
    We are so close now to the UN taking power over from the world authorities to bring Health security, environment security and financial security...... And we know from bible prophecy that UN will rule for one hour with ten new kings. .....
    That one hour may be 12 years or it may be shorter.   Remember, Jehovah is the one who decides the exact day and hour.  So, for now ....  I wait and see.....   Hunger is looming, more pestilences are looming, natural phenomena - disasters - are looming....  and in human society the biggest earthquake ever.... is looming! 
    I went back to Hosea 6 - and I can see you took the scripture out of context.  This is about unfaithful Israel and Juda, how they must repent and return to be healed.   I think one should not just quote the one verse as if it pertains to the beginning of the millennium: 
    Come, and let us return to Jehovah,
    For he has torn us to pieces, but he will heal us.
    He struck us, but he will bind our wounds.
     2 He will revive us after two days.
    On the third day he will raise us up,
    And we will live before him."
     
    I a with you on this - we should be awake and look for the signs that are clear from the scriptures.  
     
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Hate to say it but grinding extra coffee this morning, I absentmindedly put it in the waiting coffee press, rather than the spare jar, resulting in 10X normal strength coffee. Nothing to be done about it but throw the mess out.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Since so many native Canadians were killed by other churches (mass graves found),  I am not surprised.  And with the level of sexual delinquency amongst the elite  I am not surprised.  The entire judicial systems are now pro-LGBTP.
    I believe that justice must be served no matter who it is.  
    That is a blatant fib
     
    .  A pain is not so vivid.  One forgets pain - like after having a baby.  Heart pain is another matter.... if one keeps on dwelling on it ..... it re-strengthens the synapses in the brain and the pain comes back more often.  Learn from it but do not dwell on it. ....  it is self-destructive. 
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    Arauna reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Oh dear again. It's now gone from politics to racism.   Oh and of course the continuing of name calling. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    I think you have been drinking the western propaganda.  While I do not profess to know what is going on in Ukraine, because I have determined to stay away from the daily propaganda (I only analyze what is going on in broader terms),  I do know that soldiers with Nazi-insignia on their uniforms are fighting in this war and...... and they are not Russians.  But - since the satellite images proved to be "doctored" we can safely assume that Ukrainian and Russian media is doctoring footage. 
    This proves that we cannot take the side of the Western media against Russia and we cannot take the side of Russia...... both are doing propaganda and do not have good intentions (there is NO innocent party here). 
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Looks like you have been to the anti-racism training........   I prefer Jehovah's training.  The bible does not indicate that it is ok to hate white and love black; and neither should we hate black and love white; ....... we should be without any bias of any color or ethnic group.   And we should develop compassion for ALL humans, then we will not be guilty of racism because we will treat ALL humans better than ourselves.
    It is usually people without compassion who have to follow "rules' to help them ...such as the one you quoted above..... because it is not from the heart. 
     
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    From the Cartoon Network I understand that Caleb dropped out of High School and went to Bethel, and Sophia  is married to a Marine at Fort Bliss in ElPaso, Texas, and is expecting twins.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Why bother - if you hate them so much....  or is your hate-OC....... whatever,  uncontrollable.  
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    On the other hand, I do note that software here labels her, in all its wisdom, a ‘mentor.’ I too am a mentor, as is Pudgy. You, on the other hand, are merely a ‘community regular.’
    That means you should let @Araunado her job and mentor you.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Now this could be good advice if it was not given in such a nasty fashion. 
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in What's going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦???   
    Yeah. Time to hit the repenting trail, methinks, and sin no more (or at least less).
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