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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    What could I deduct from your "intellectual "discussion is that you do not believe that some individuals would inherit the earth? Or if you do, that some here is not worthy of that promise?
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Yes, of course. Believing in Jesus whole-heartedly doesn’t mean beans in itself—unless you define “whole-heartedly” as embracing the scriptures you included:

    Though the crazy faux-anointed person here appends scriptures to her comments for tonnage, she can never find the relevant ones, as you have.  
    When it comes to who will be saved, the Christian organization is not authorized to go beyond what the scripture plainly says: 
    “Baptism, which corresponds to this, is also now saving you…” (1 Peter 3:21)
    If they have any private thoughts on this, those they must keep to themselves. Of course, baptism assumes doing it the biblical way, not the sprinkled baptism of infants, not the baptism to the hellfire/trinity God. 
    The governing brothers choose not to speculate on this matter. They choose to be bounded by 1 Peter 3:21. We, who do not have a worldwide association of brothers to coach, (though Her Craziness thinks she does) are freer to speculate. When a loved one of mine was asked specifically whether this one or that one will be saved, she replied that she was not Jesus and didn’t know.
    The organization does the best it can. Not all scriptures dovetail. It remains to be seen how certain things will work out. “You will by no means complete the circuit of the cities of Israel until the Son of man arrives.” (Matt 10:23) throws a monkey wrench into worldwide coverage. This verse has been cited to show not every person will be adequately reached, maybe not at all, so the question arises just what is God going to do about that come Armageddon? From what I can recall, they only gingerly touch that one. (They have said in the past that the mentally incompetent should get a free pass, so maybe we’re all okay here.)
    At any rate, the Watchtower statement to carry the day is easily found on the website. To the question, “Do Jehovah’s Witnesses feel they are the only ones who will be saved?” included in the answer is: “In any case, it’s not our job to judge who will or won’t be saved. That assignment rests squarely in Jesus’ hands.” If they have seemed to judge in the past, it’s because they don’t feel free to blow away1 Peter 3:21 as though it were nothing.
    https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/who-saved/
    Then, too, from the Insight book (under the topic Destruction) comes this beaut, that indicates we don’t even know ones destroyed by Jehovah suffer eternal destruction: 
    The Bible indicates that not all destruction is eternal. This is demonstrated by the fact that the Hebrew word ʼavad·dohnʹ (destruction) is used twice to parallel “Sheol.” (Job 26:6; Pr 15:11) ….When speaking of the destruction of the rebels Dathan and Abiram, Moses wrote that they went down “alive into Sheol.” (Nu 16:31, 33) Since Sheol in the Bible denotes the common grave of mankind from which there will be a resurrection, it is evident that not all destruction—not even all destruction at the hand of God—is necessarily eternal.
    So even Patiently Sitting on his Hands, that piece of work, who thinks he will not survive Armageddon and assumes that gives him the stature to advise others….well, maybe he is right and he won’t survive and still I’ll see that dodo on the other side someday, in which case I’ll take back the bad things I’ve said about him and maybe he’ll do the same with me.
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    When I mentioned to someone “I have been stumbled……“, I just hate it when they get a hammer and strips of bamboo and drive it under my fingernails, or take some vise grip pliers and pull off my kneecaps.
     
    I just hate that, don’t you?

    AND CATS! ….. don’t get me started about CATS!

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    Arauna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    You know if Jesus didn't want us to judge whether or not to bother with talking to some people he wouldn't have told us not to cast our pearls before swine.  BUT I suppose SOME people are pig-whisperers.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    People can make anything divine if they want to.  They will even kill you in the name of god and think they are doing God a favor.  Neither is it about consent.    
    It is about accepting the reality that Jehovah is the creator and his son provided the ransom.  It is about accepting that his written Word is reality and the history and prophecies are absolutely true and those not yet fulfilled - will come true.  It is about actively living the life of a Christian which includes upbuilding the congregation and mixing with fellow believers in  unselfish love.... and most of all:- to preach the kingdom which has already started ruling. To recognize the brothers of Christ and the job they are doing. To build up the entire body of Christ and start to live the life in pure worship which you hope to do forever. 
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    Arauna reacted to Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    He is "essentially labeling"? I don't think so. He is only going by what Jesus said; that many more are on the road to destruction than those on the road to life. And no, he wasn't judging anyone, he leaves the judging to Jesus, as all of us do.
    Yes, we agree God reads hearts, and yes, He will determine who is saved, regardless of what we think. For those who whole heartedly believe in Jesus there is a warning;  “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day: ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works* in your name?’ And then I will declare to them: ‘I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
    AND "Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand".
    I had a class mate at school who believed in Jesus whole heartedly. She slept around and smoked.
     
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    Arauna reacted to Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I would say they are the same in that particular context. If someone is uneducated and only interested in basics, they are not going to be open to other ideas to be able to make an informed decision and therefor accept or not accept the good news. But Jehovah can read hearts, so he knows how the person might have reacted if their circumstances were different....
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    Arauna got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This verse does not literaly imply we are saving anyone. It is the action of preaching which saves because it involves the other person to listen and obey. They themselves have to bring of themself to jehovah AFTER we have done our duty out of love. 
    However, we should all be careful by our verbal  communications and actions to not be a cause of stumbling.  It is not what goes in but what comes out which defiles us.
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    Arauna got a reaction from JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This verse does not literaly imply we are saving anyone. It is the action of preaching which saves because it involves the other person to listen and obey. They themselves have to bring of themself to jehovah AFTER we have done our duty out of love. 
    However, we should all be careful by our verbal  communications and actions to not be a cause of stumbling.  It is not what goes in but what comes out which defiles us.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This verse does not literaly imply we are saving anyone. It is the action of preaching which saves because it involves the other person to listen and obey. They themselves have to bring of themself to jehovah AFTER we have done our duty out of love. 
    However, we should all be careful by our verbal  communications and actions to not be a cause of stumbling.  It is not what goes in but what comes out which defiles us.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Or, do you truly believe that jehovah is the only one who can rule the earth successfully.  This entails absolute obedience. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I hear you - some people have the victim syndrome and blame others  - but how do we know which ones are the truly vulnerable? We have to act and behave in ways so that our behavior is always like that of Jesús.
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    Arauna got a reaction from xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I hear you - some people have the victim syndrome and blame others  - but how do we know which ones are the truly vulnerable? We have to act and behave in ways so that our behavior is always like that of Jesús.
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    Arauna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    BTW Dan's at Patterson now as legal counsel.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Or, do you truly believe that jehovah is the only one who can rule the earth successfully.  This entails absolute obedience. 
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    Arauna reacted to JW Insider in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    This is very true. (I never thought it did, either.) It occurred to me to include the scripture because it's a reference I had in mind when @Anna was speaking of those in Calcutta, for example.
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    Arauna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    ...he would have better said "provided an OPPORTUNITY to be saved"...
    But you know that already.
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    Arauna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Your doing so is imperative as you are saving YOURSELF when you do so. You cannot save anyone else.
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    Sure. I have no idea who will be saved or not. Nor does it make any difference to my personal responsibility to make known the good news.
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    Arauna reacted to xero in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    To me this is why I don't sweat it when someone says that I gave a "bad witness". I try not to, but it's going to happen and happen repeatedly. We all have patterns. I just keep trying and relax while doing so. Straining to me or OCD-like obsessive behavior like somehow I held the life of another person in my hands is spiritual narcissism in my view. The same kind of spiritual narcissism I see in apostates. If the GB screws up, so what? They'll figure out how they screwed up and do better next time. I doesn't change me or my responsibility to take charge and responsibility for my own actions or beliefs. You want to know who's engaging in idolatrous creature-worship? It's apostates. They imagine the organization is equal to Jehovah or Jesus and they aren't. We aren't Catholics with a holy see and a pope. Jehovah may be using the organization, but it's not infallible, nor do they have any urim and thummim. They have the bible, just like the rest of us. It isn't "disrespectful" to take note of that. The path to apostasy in my view is an over-reliance on human organizations as if these were Jehovah or Jesus. Organizations are necessary, but not sufficient. They can't point the way, but we individually have to make decisions. We CAN disagree and make our own conscientious decisions and we should. True that some of us in my view want to ride the coat-tails of others, but eventually they'll be bumped off by time and circumstance to stand on their own biblical legs.
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    Arauna reacted to Anna in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    A simple answer to both questions would be yes. 
    I don't think people in the slums of Calcutta have been spoken to by a JW..... at least not to the point of being able to make an informed decision*
    At Armaggedon, only those people who have rejected the truth about Jesus and God will be destroyed.  People cannot reject something they  have never heard of, or don't understand.
    *An interesting article here:
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1987128
    It makes a point that: Very few are interested enough to want a Bible study. Making a living and bettering their station in life seem to be the only things on their mind. That, coupled with minimal, if any, education, makes it very difficult for them to accept the good news.
     
     
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    I would like to apologize for EVERYTHING I accused PwfT of and the acrimony generated by these discussions. I now realize that he acted honorably, and in good faith, with the reasonable assumption that I authored the cut-and-paste article from  The Babylon Bee web site, because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY as a poster to be clear and unambiguous as to attributions.
    I also should have remembered what I posted, and did not.
    What “lit my fire”, was the quote from what I did post …. Words of terrible import …. That I forgot were part of a biting satire by The Babylon Bee against the Jewish clergy ….  attributed to “Pudgy said”.
    And so when I went looking for where I had personally said it (authored it), that is what I was looking for, and did not find it.
    This whole mess is entirely my fault, and I am sorry for over-reacting, and appreciate those who called me out on it.
    At the end of the day, it was my post.

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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    We know it is not perfect because Jehovah has to work with imperfect people. We are grateful that we have such good bible knowledge and still get spiritually fed and updated.  But what you see is mega-magnified and exaggerated issues.....of your own making.....   so even if we were the organization which Jehovah is really using - you think what Jehovah provides is not good enough.  Your are similar to Waiting on her hands.... waiting for perfection -which in this world is impossible.
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    Arauna reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in How a Christmas song would lead me to believe that our 1914 teaching must be right after all.   
    The leaders of your Org proved that when they twisted the Romans scripture to suit their own agenda. 
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