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Very true, unfortunately child services have also become predatory.... because the privatized institutions get funded by the government and are profit driven. (This is another very dark scenario). Calling Police (to the average person) is a frightning prospect because a bad policeman can be the beginning of a frightening nightmare. The FBI is tenfold worse.  Citizens do not know how to hold them legally to order if they break the law themselves. Race may also be an issue. A lot of what goes on is just raw display and use if power. 
We have human laws but they are not enforced in a loving way..... and are not fair to all.  Most JWs also do not know how to act when an elder has overstepped the mark. Bottom line: injustice can happen anywhere and all humans are vulnerable to mild or hardened predators and all degrees of injustice.  One is just fortunate if something really bad has not happened to you. 

Very true, unfortunately child services have also become predatory.... because the privatized institutions get funded by the government and are profit driven. (This is another very dark scenario). Calling Police (to the average person) is a frightning prospect because a bad policeman can be the beginning of a frightening nightmare. The FBI is tenfold worse.  Citizens do not know how to hold them legally to order if they break the law themselves. Race may also be an issue. A lot of what goes on is just raw display and use if power. 
We have human laws but they are not enforced in a loving way..... and are not fair to all.  Most JWs also do not know how to act when an elder has overstepped the mark. Bottom line: injustice can happen anywhere and all humans are vulnerable to mild or hardened predators and all degrees of injustice.  One is just fortunate if something really bad has not happened to you. 

I add: There is a brazenness in women who want some form of control.  Of course elders can also overreact and see any form of " confidence" as a threat to their "authority".  The fact is that all of us are imperfect and can misinterpret what we perceive and subsequently "defend" our turf.......... actions which are totally unchristian and egotistic.

I add: There is a brazenness in women who want some form of control.  Of course elders can also overreact and see any form of " confidence" as a threat to their "authority".  The fact is that all of us are imperfect and can misinterpret what we perceive and subsequently "defend" our turf.......... actions which are totally unchristian and egotistic.

This depends, do you consider Christ a man?
Who comprises the Body of Christ alongside the saints?
Which bible are you relying on? Why do you find it a need to go against Christ as a widow? You do realize Christ instructed the apostles, don't you.
NIV 1 Peter 3:1-3
3 Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.
 
 

When  it comes to the legal system, governments don't recognize scripture. Therefore, it's more complex for the Watchtower, that has to deal with man's law and God's law, together.
Before, the victim was advised they had every right to call the police themselves, or by any family member. That can be easily proven by the letters to the Elders. When governments started cracking down on those issues in 2013, it was a slow rollout. It wasn't until the U.N. made recommendations because of child trafficking in 2016, it took off. What people here don't seem to understand, back then, some wives or a child didn't pursue secular justice out of FEAR! The Watchtower could not force someone, but at times, they did intervene for the safety of the victims.
However, there are still nations that afford the Clergy Privilege. Therefore, those institutions need to adhere to those privileges since, certain things would not be admissible in a court of law.
The Watchtower, still recommends any victim to pursue legal enforcement.
Explain that, not just to ExJWs but also, those that claim to be JWs.
 

The bible shows that we must hope if they are not following Jehovah's standards but I do not trust them just because they are human.  When I was a widow I learnt the true nature pf people - the hard way.  I was an innocent and believed all people to be different levels of good.  I have learnt the hard way.  
Humans have perfection to the degree that they can perfectly accomplish the purpose and morals as instructed by Jehovah.  Without Him they are following their own ideas and can become fallible.  Only Jehovah has absolute perfection which is infallible. 

This is a fact - one cannot say they have NO spirit.  This belies all the promises from Jehovah. They do have our trust because they are honest and do their best for us.  The prophecy in Ezekiel we have just studied indicates that there will be an administration.  Why? because they give us food at the proper time so the whole brotherhood remain in unity. Without this organization everyone will be doing their own thing and teach different things.  We remain one because we are united.  If we understand something differently we wait until better light comes. We realize Jehovah has to work with flawed human beings...... not infallible.   So you seem to have a beef with us.....  but you have NO trust.
The prophecy in Isaiah 2: 2-4 indicates that in the last days Jehovah will have ONE people out of all the nations and law will go forth from Zion....   Surely this info needs to be redistributed?  So yes.... the organization is not your idea of perfection ...... but God never gave an indication that it would be perfect.  But they have been diligent to prepare us for Armageddon and displaying the qualities of god, which includes trust and love for god and for our brothers.

There were false Christians (weeds already amongst the Christians which would exploit this to their own benefit.  The Greek influence (gymnasiums in the decapolis  etc) was so prevalent as well. They stuck to the main tenants of the christian faith but it soon morphed into something more powerful.  Constantine the great saw the potential and exploited it.
 
If it proved to be true it is prophecy.  Today we just deal in direct prophecy received from Daniel, john and gospels - those which pertain to our day.  The other prophecies have mostly gone into fulfillment.  When we see it clearly manifesting so that there is NO doubt - then we can say it pertains to our day.

Why do you keep using the medieval English? Is it because it fulfills an alternate purpose?  The saints are today called the anointed. 
It is almost as though you are promoting "apartheid" of the congregation and above them the "saints". ... 
The prophecies in Ezekiel clearly point to the unity of the entire congregation, the little flock and the great crowd. 
I am a woman, and I am pretty capable and not over- emotional as some women are.... but I prefer men to deal with problems in the congregation thank you.  
 

Wow! You've been hanging around here too long. Go back to basics and relearn scripture.
NIV Acts 6:1-5
 
6 In those days when the number of disciples was increasing, the Grecian Jews among them complained against the Hebraic Jews because their widows were being overlooked in the daily distribution of food. 2 So the Twelve gathered all the disciples together and said, "It would not be right for us to neglect the ministry of the word of God in order to wait on tables. 3 Brothers, choose seven men from among you who are known to be full of the Spirit and wisdom. We will turn this responsibility over to them 4 and will give our attention to prayer and the ministry of the word."
5 This proposal pleased the whole group.
 
 

Oh you must mean the pedophile Elders and M/servants then.  The ones that interrogate young children to frighten them from going to the police. Your so called 'church' is already in disgrace earthwide. 

You were added because you reacted positively without knowing what she was defending. No one question you concerning the view that isn't core.
For if that is what you stand on, you should have seen what she said right from the start, as is whatever Srecko pushed concerning Chloe.
As do I. Men and Women are invited by God to be Chosen, as in the 1st century and onward.
Christians, regardless of sex don't keep God's comfort to themselves.
As mentioned before when you were JOHN BUTLER, whatever Elders in the churches of JWs differ from one another, hence the smoking example I told you before, even more so, them, as with all men and women, are imperfect.
What I have been saying all this time, when I speak of the Church, I refer to the same one of old, The Early Apostolic Church. The same one that is in the Holy Bible, the same one of which was spoken about in the Didache, by the Apostles in their age, their students, and the Church Fathers before the Roman Emperor shifted everything for the worse, creating both factions of Christendom.
For there is the early church, Babylon's Church, is the opposition.
Hence the early church of where Christianity was birthed. Not only it is a body under the Christ, but the people of the Spiritual House, unity among them, regardless of sex or status, Jew or Gentle.
They paved the path for us to follow, as did the Apostles, as did the Christ.
You have to also proclaim the gospel of the good news, which was the primary command of the Christ.
There is a reason behind this, as to why. It is a shadow of what is to come, a level of Section 203 in Media and social media, across all platforms. Eventually, this will be on the forefront when Babylon makes it's move to deal with those against her who speak of Scripture and against Brazen conduct.
The Left will use people as tools, mainly the unaware for their own agenda, as soon as they reap some form of benefit, they will cast you out, or do it instantly if their agenda is ongoing.
That being said, it is far grander than that, too much to explain, but it is something I dealt with for years out of the paradigm, hence the view against the MSM. 
The gospel has to be proclaimed to the people as well. So much one can do from a platform vs legitimate proclamation of the gospel itself, moreover, it is far natural and organic to do such in a way verbally or in person.
Although other forms are alternatives, the primary is usually best.
You can still converse. Proclaiming the message of God's Word, even casually.
However, my case is far more different vs you or your former faith whereas a constant threat is the other faction of Christianity.
 

Should be noted that those who abuse children manipulate others to get to them, even people in institutions. For not all among their church members are child abusers, and a great deal of them are not equipped to handle abuse, this is why it was professed, even suggested by CSA prevention to teach people. Granted you just mentioned your Facebook issue of spreading the message, you can do your part in helping others to prevent abuse by teaching them - reach one, teach one.
As for the police, Bystander Syndrome is an issue, not in the churches only, but other areas too. For if not a teacher or a pastor who contacts them, the parents are capable too as a secondary. Because when Bystander Syndrome kicks in, consequence and a list of things come to mind, especially when such persons had never been in an abuse situation at all.
For instance, you can't expect a new pastor, probably around the age of 24, to handle something that he has never dealt with, granted, the person could have been raised as a Brady Bunch child.
That being said, this is why I am trying to salvage 2 videos concerning the events of Warwick, an actually CSA solution that disappeared when the EXJWs attacked a Bible Student. For this information coupled with CSA prevention is vital. 
Other than that, CSA is going to be a problem because as of late 2021 into 2022, child abusers are simply being let go, in the US and in the UK in which they can repeat an attack on children, this leaving people vulnerable, even JWS due to how broken US and UK laws are. even recently, in the US, there is a CSA situation in regard to a Woke Leftist named Ketanji Brown Jackson, as is the recent situation concerning a man released from jail after 5-6 days, Jussie Smollett. Stuff like this only emboldens CSA, therefore, use the solution provided by sources, like your IICSA to reach people. Like I said, JWs have a CSA problem, be that change, do not sit on a fence, be grounded with both JWs and EXJWs concerning the situation. For it would be wise to listen especially when someone who dealt with abused children is telling you this.
As a warning to you, your government released several abusers in a span of several months. Just be aware because they can go anywhere, be anywhere.
 
That being said, look at the thread where I gave information concerning Warwick Protest to @Equivocation, the name of Cedar's friend is the only clue to those CSA videos that has solutions, but you really have to dive into archives to find them, or whatever is left of them granted the EXJW community wiped everything.

Oh! Taken out of the ARC playbook, how quaint! But, I guess you missed the point; that hypocritical court was implying, they want the Watchtower to give women the authority of an Elder to "interrogate" the children or women, themselves. 
In other words, the ARC is suggesting the Watchtower go against God's inspired word in those situations. Funny, when it comes to the Australian government policing themselves by making whistleblowing a crime, such as it did with their immigration detention centers, the ARC court had no problem with it. 😏

This is a fact - one cannot say they have NO spirit.  This belies all the promises from Jehovah. They do have our trust because they are honest and do their best for us.  The prophecy in Ezekiel we have just studied indicates that there will be an administration.  Why? because they give us food at the proper time so the whole brotherhood remain in unity. Without this organization everyone will be doing their own thing and teach different things.  We remain one because we are united.  If we understand something differently we wait until better light comes. We realize Jehovah has to work with flawed human beings...... not infallible.   So you seem to have a beef with us.....  but you have NO trust.
The prophecy in Isaiah 2: 2-4 indicates that in the last days Jehovah will have ONE people out of all the nations and law will go forth from Zion....   Surely this info needs to be redistributed?  So yes.... the organization is not your idea of perfection ...... but God never gave an indication that it would be perfect.  But they have been diligent to prepare us for Armageddon and displaying the qualities of god, which includes trust and love for god and for our brothers.

The bible shows that we must hope if they are not following Jehovah's standards but I do not trust them just because they are human.  When I was a widow I learnt the true nature pf people - the hard way.  I was an innocent and believed all people to be different levels of good.  I have learnt the hard way.  
Humans have perfection to the degree that they can perfectly accomplish the purpose and morals as instructed by Jehovah.  Without Him they are following their own ideas and can become fallible.  Only Jehovah has absolute perfection which is infallible. 

The bible shows that we must hope if they are not following Jehovah's standards but I do not trust them just because they are human.  When I was a widow I learnt the true nature pf people - the hard way.  I was an innocent and believed all people to be different levels of good.  I have learnt the hard way.  
Humans have perfection to the degree that they can perfectly accomplish the purpose and morals as instructed by Jehovah.  Without Him they are following their own ideas and can become fallible.  Only Jehovah has absolute perfection which is infallible. 

This is a fact - one cannot say they have NO spirit.  This belies all the promises from Jehovah. They do have our trust because they are honest and do their best for us.  The prophecy in Ezekiel we have just studied indicates that there will be an administration.  Why? because they give us food at the proper time so the whole brotherhood remain in unity. Without this organization everyone will be doing their own thing and teach different things.  We remain one because we are united.  If we understand something differently we wait until better light comes. We realize Jehovah has to work with flawed human beings...... not infallible.   So you seem to have a beef with us.....  but you have NO trust.
The prophecy in Isaiah 2: 2-4 indicates that in the last days Jehovah will have ONE people out of all the nations and law will go forth from Zion....   Surely this info needs to be redistributed?  So yes.... the organization is not your idea of perfection ...... but God never gave an indication that it would be perfect.  But they have been diligent to prepare us for Armageddon and displaying the qualities of god, which includes trust and love for god and for our brothers.

I stick to the bible itself - it interprets itself. 

You used the word above...  I think you have no concept of the meaning or you are using hyperbole.  I have seen no extremism amongst JWs.  That is why I corrected your use of words. 

You used the word above...  I think you have no concept of the meaning or you are using hyperbole.  I have seen no extremism amongst JWs.  That is why I corrected your use of words. 

You pretend to be debating but you are actually, by your dishonest and leading questions, bringing up another contentious subject.
You are devious and a great pretender!

Excuse me - that is not a statement that is true. I do not want to get into an argument with the two of you.  But how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism amongst us? I have not seen anything like that!

Then, why subvert the Watchtower literature? How is manipulation part of a good debate? It makes for a sad argument, but not for a debate.