Arauna

Because they’ve had 100 years to refine. Others weren’t doing much of anything back then beyond running the trinitarian/hellfire route.
If you have to go back 100 years to dig up dirt, there can’t be too much dirt to dig.

I would also draw Patiently’s attention to the full-blown nudity displayed right on the cover. How shocking!

There is a lie right within the question, a recent speaker pointed out, and it is a purposeful lie:
“Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 
to implant the idea of, “Wow, he won’t let you guys do anything!”
The modern day equivalent would be to carry on about how the guard rails of the highway are more like a strait jacket.

I am reading one of the older publications at present...... but I see what I can " learn from it in the light of 2021 vision"  sometimes it provides a pleasant surprise ....or just what I expected.... not full understanding at the time... BUT.. I do not critisized it with 2021 hindsight. It is the "motive " one has when one looks back.
I do not indulge these people who seem to have ulterior motives... who look to the past and critisize it and do it with a pretense of not understanding......... I recall that that Satan pretended not to know when he said :  is it so...... you are not to eat from .... 

I am reading one of the older publications at present...... but I see what I can " learn from it in the light of 2021 vision"  sometimes it provides a pleasant surprise ....or just what I expected.... not full understanding at the time... BUT.. I do not critisized it with 2021 hindsight. It is the "motive " one has when one looks back.
I do not indulge these people who seem to have ulterior motives... who look to the past and critisize it and do it with a pretense of not understanding......... I recall that that Satan pretended not to know when he said :  is it so...... you are not to eat from .... 

I just glanced at what was said above. It seems it is a much created fluffy storm in a tea cup  - about nothing! 
If I were living in 1919 or in 1935,  and finally understood the scriptures which indicated that a people will live through Armageddon: such as Revelation 20: 1 -3,  Revelation 7 (great crowd).... would you not write a book and articles with a advertising heading such as " Millions now living may never die!". 
If you suddenly understood that some people will live through Armageddon?  Yes, I would. I can imagine that because I can put myself in their place! Besides, I wrote for a newspaper when reporters could still be called reporters! 
As I have said before on this forum is that people leave out historical context and look back at history with all the knowledge of 2021!    Hindsight is 20/20 vision. .....
You remind me of these people who are pulling down statues of kings because they had a black page-boy - with 2021 vision he is now classified as a full blown racist!..... and worthy to be written out of history! 
People get realistic! We all know that one needs to believe in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus whether you go to heaven or live through Armageddon here on earth. 
This whole mud throwing title and the rhetoric  is just an artificially created storm in a tea cup.
 

A beautiful vineyard, grapes, harvesting season and seeing three beautiful young women sing beautiful folk songs in a language that I don't understand from a distant part of the Earth just made my morning... thank you.
Makes me somehow long for simpler times and places.
The thought of Paradise comes to mind... imagine if these girls never had to worry about growing old and they didn't have a need for building out huge cities....
Just a simple, happy life of travelling a little, making wine and cheeses while spreading joy. 
 

I often watch folk music from various countries.  I do not know if you know Portuguese Fado -  the single singers usually have great voices!  But the tradition is totally different to this! 
These girls come from Republic of Georgia - where I lived for one and half years!  They are all musical. I went to two JW weddings and usually they have folk music and dancing.  The men do the jumping dances and even the old men do it.  They do not always sing with instruments - really beautiful!   The Georgian woman dance as though they are floating while  the men do all the acrobatic stuff.  They also start singing in large groups!
they also do the throat singing. and they sing without music in different voices! 
 
 

Here is another to give you an idea!
 
 

Her spirit is amazing. I love her in that video. So sincerely happy.

Lot of bad stuff coming out of that land these days, per BitterWinter. Religious curriculum being rewritten to glorify the state & whoever doesn’t comply being slowly, sometimes quickly, erased.
Sometimes I think it is like Herod with the infant boys. He doesn’t really know how to find who he’s look for. Wiping them all out is his answer.
Not much allowance for God is made in communist lands. Reviewing a video in prep for a Bible student, this pioneer conveys her feeling that it is practically game over when they prevail:
https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=share&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-jwbls_201609_1_VIDEO

Concerning the pastor, Rutherford, 4Castle was quoted before, and some of his quotes, some people have the same ailment, even those who are not in the same faith or is a member of any Abrahamic Faith.
Kind of beating a dead horse when this was responded to before, as is with Smurf Girl's conspiracy, in addition, to the fact something based in an isolated location, not really being international, so to speak.
That being said, you brought this up before... Also word association "charity acting on behalf of", should be known as to what that implies.

Tell it to Merriam Webster: 
Definition of association
2: an organization of persons having a common interest :     https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/association  (bolding mine)
The words are synonymous. Nothing to get all worked up over. You haven’t discovered the smoking gun. Sheesh.
Pestilential as Srecko may be, he does not make such ridiculous statements. He makes other ridiculous statements.

YOU are not really worthy to answer because you are not interested in reasonable speech...you are a true hate- mongerer.  Believe what you like.... any reasonable answer will not suffice. You are here to create contention and controversy. ..... another hate-OCD case..... they always attack GB and some "historical" things which do not matter in the present time. ...... if David committed adultery under your watch he would never be forgiven and his sin dragged up all the time to dishonour him...... that is the kind of hateful spirit you eminate! It is not one of inquiry....... it comes from another motive - that of your " true father."

I discovered that there was a regular killing of "educated" people here in Albania by the communist dictator Hoxha. I spoke to a sister who told me her father was in prison 3 times for long periods because he was Western educated. Others are still looking for family members. When I was in Armenia, I saw the photos of the Turkish genocide - it looked similar to Nazi Germany- the stacks of dead , emaciated children and parents. 
All regimes can easily do this but when it is supported by a devillish ideology then genocide is always justified - and regimes do unmentionable things.... and the messengers are told they are lying...... this is the oldest trick since Satan lied to Adam.
There were too many smoking guns coming out of China..... and visitors to China who looked suspicious or asked too many questions, they  would feel the brunt of surveillance and cameras broken.  Those visitors drinking the propaganda of the red coolaid, came away from China thinking it is a wonderful country! .... not much wiser than when they went in. Unfortunately this included journalists who were hand picked by China .... and democratic and Republican leaders who are still heavily invested in China.
I was watching China longg before it became  popular to bash China.... and I was not goofed. 20 years the falun gong were demonized and their followers abused in horrific ways. The UN was assured by China it will not happen any longer when irrefutable proof emerged of forced transplants.... and yet it was too profitable for the regime to stop. 
No - human governments are really beastlike - all of them.... but some are the T-rex. 

When time travel is invented, retro-police will give a friendly wave to American slaveholding forefathers and they race back through the eons to haul the real villains, the Ancient Greek pedophiles, back in leg irons

Shooting the messenger is the oldest trick in the book. To be sure, sometimes they deserve to be shot. Other times…
I can think of another 12 who for all their efforts ultimately could not get the accurate word out.  (sorry) I also think of the diagrams of Hitler camps smuggled out by the bros only to be disbelieved by the respected sources. 
Have any of them gotten over that idea?
Are they real mosques or the type that parallel the nationalized churches that had better tow the line with regard to glorifying the state?
“Whereas if I’m the one to do it, they’ll run their quill pens through it. He’s obnoxious and disliked, did you know that? (I hadn’t heard.)”.            1776. 

I just glanced at what was said above. It seems it is a much created fluffy storm in a tea cup  - about nothing! 
If I were living in 1919 or in 1935,  and finally understood the scriptures which indicated that a people will live through Armageddon: such as Revelation 20: 1 -3,  Revelation 7 (great crowd).... would you not write a book and articles with a advertising heading such as " Millions now living may never die!". 
If you suddenly understood that some people will live through Armageddon?  Yes, I would. I can imagine that because I can put myself in their place! Besides, I wrote for a newspaper when reporters could still be called reporters! 
As I have said before on this forum is that people leave out historical context and look back at history with all the knowledge of 2021!    Hindsight is 20/20 vision. .....
You remind me of these people who are pulling down statues of kings because they had a black page-boy - with 2021 vision he is now classified as a full blown racist!..... and worthy to be written out of history! 
People get realistic! We all know that one needs to believe in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus whether you go to heaven or live through Armageddon here on earth. 
This whole mud throwing title and the rhetoric  is just an artificially created storm in a tea cup.
 

No I don't.  I always try to see how things fit in with the bible. That is why I said that one cannot apologize for any governments now in place - they have truly eaten more people's lives in a beastly fashion than most previous governments ever on this earth, and in a much shorter time! 
The only thing that frustrates me are people who speak directly against God in such as blatant fashion - to their own detriment (to quote Paul).  They are acting against their own lives.  I am absolutely honest when I say anything and I sometimes come across as abrasive when I confront...... it is the South African way ....But I also say - I hope you do not take my jabs too seriously!
We all have to give an accounting of ourselves before Jehovah!  I know that my anti-human-government stance may come across as political to those in authority because they do not allow anyone to question their authority in any way.  I am not anti-authority - I am totally for law and order but not the kind that is now prevailing as pseudo-law. I cannot see any good whatsoever in all the governments now ruling and I am sure that humans will soon face total disgust, anxiety and fear for what is waiting for humankind.  It is going to be ghastly when one has children crying because there is  very little food, and parents dying from immunity disorders due to mandated medicines etc. I am sad and have even cried over my own children who are forced into certain actions which I know can cost their lives and leave their children to be orphans. 
We ain't see nothing yet!  Satan is determined......  It is his way or death!  It is only by the grace of Jehovah that we will get through this darkness!  Literal cold and darkness is waiting for North America this year and for Europe.... and the moral darkness will soon descend upon all of us......with new government mandates. Jehovah as our only light.  Those who have his spirit will be able to sustain themselves on His words!

No I don't.  I always try to see how things fit in with the bible. That is why I said that one cannot apologize for any governments now in place - they have truly eaten more people's lives in a beastly fashion than most previous governments ever on this earth, and in a much shorter time! 
The only thing that frustrates me are people who speak directly against God in such as blatant fashion - to their own detriment (to quote Paul).  They are acting against their own lives.  I am absolutely honest when I say anything and I sometimes come across as abrasive when I confront...... it is the South African way ....But I also say - I hope you do not take my jabs too seriously!
We all have to give an accounting of ourselves before Jehovah!  I know that my anti-human-government stance may come across as political to those in authority because they do not allow anyone to question their authority in any way.  I am not anti-authority - I am totally for law and order but not the kind that is now prevailing as pseudo-law. I cannot see any good whatsoever in all the governments now ruling and I am sure that humans will soon face total disgust, anxiety and fear for what is waiting for humankind.  It is going to be ghastly when one has children crying because there is  very little food, and parents dying from immunity disorders due to mandated medicines etc. I am sad and have even cried over my own children who are forced into certain actions which I know can cost their lives and leave their children to be orphans. 
We ain't see nothing yet!  Satan is determined......  It is his way or death!  It is only by the grace of Jehovah that we will get through this darkness!  Literal cold and darkness is waiting for North America this year and for Europe.... and the moral darkness will soon descend upon all of us......with new government mandates. Jehovah as our only light.  Those who have his spirit will be able to sustain themselves on His words!

I just glanced at what was said above. It seems it is a much created fluffy storm in a tea cup  - about nothing! 
If I were living in 1919 or in 1935,  and finally understood the scriptures which indicated that a people will live through Armageddon: such as Revelation 20: 1 -3,  Revelation 7 (great crowd).... would you not write a book and articles with a advertising heading such as " Millions now living may never die!". 
If you suddenly understood that some people will live through Armageddon?  Yes, I would. I can imagine that because I can put myself in their place! Besides, I wrote for a newspaper when reporters could still be called reporters! 
As I have said before on this forum is that people leave out historical context and look back at history with all the knowledge of 2021!    Hindsight is 20/20 vision. .....
You remind me of these people who are pulling down statues of kings because they had a black page-boy - with 2021 vision he is now classified as a full blown racist!..... and worthy to be written out of history! 
People get realistic! We all know that one needs to believe in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus whether you go to heaven or live through Armageddon here on earth. 
This whole mud throwing title and the rhetoric  is just an artificially created storm in a tea cup.
 

I just glanced at what was said above. It seems it is a much created fluffy storm in a tea cup  - about nothing! 
If I were living in 1919 or in 1935,  and finally understood the scriptures which indicated that a people will live through Armageddon: such as Revelation 20: 1 -3,  Revelation 7 (great crowd).... would you not write a book and articles with a advertising heading such as " Millions now living may never die!". 
If you suddenly understood that some people will live through Armageddon?  Yes, I would. I can imagine that because I can put myself in their place! Besides, I wrote for a newspaper when reporters could still be called reporters! 
As I have said before on this forum is that people leave out historical context and look back at history with all the knowledge of 2021!    Hindsight is 20/20 vision. .....
You remind me of these people who are pulling down statues of kings because they had a black page-boy - with 2021 vision he is now classified as a full blown racist!..... and worthy to be written out of history! 
People get realistic! We all know that one needs to believe in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus whether you go to heaven or live through Armageddon here on earth. 
This whole mud throwing title and the rhetoric  is just an artificially created storm in a tea cup.
 

@Arauna, I love it that you are a thinking person who is willing to get input from a variety of non-typical, non mainstream resources. You also show yourself willing to engage in dialogue with those holding non-typical opinions without running away with your hands over your ears. You stand up for what you believe and you give your reasons.
I am very aware that I will not gain any friends or followers by being an "apologist" for China, and it will surely lower my credibility in other areas where years of reading and research has forced me to hold unpopular opinions, such as those I now hold concerning our own traditions regarding Bible chronology.
In fact, that reminds me of a perfect example that highlights why I appreciate the difference between your style and others. As you probably know I'm engaged in an off-and-on discussion on the subject of our chronology with someone else on the closed part of the forum. He is an example of nearly the opposite. When he disagrees with evidence, he merely finds a variety of ways to basically say: I disagree with you; I'm right; you're wrong; my view has all the best evidence behind it. But he never directly engages with any of the evidence.
What I'm saying is that I hope you don't take my opinions personally in any way. I hope my disagreements with your political views don't make you think you are offending me. I actually enjoy the dialogue, as you probably already suspected. I hope you haven't engaged with so many obtuse people here that you think your input is wasted on all of us.
Personally, I always agree with much of what you say. Often what I disagree with is still intriguing enough to make me want to look into it more. It may not sound like it because I don't usually respond to things I already agree with, only the things I have trouble with.
Your last post is a great example. I agree with much of it, but you also give a few lines I'm so tempted to respond to. This particular topic isn't the place, but I look forward to another topic at another time, soon.

During the French Revolution religion was viewed as superstition but with Engels and Marx it became more like  "opium".....and after Darwinism - totally " undesirable"...... words they are starting to use again. This is speech which brings genocide when certain groups of peoples are "undesirable". 
It is the atheist  nature of communism and its hate for all life not pliable to the ideology, which makes it an excellent vehicle for Satan to use to exterminate people with any form of conscience. 
This is why I have been watching the neo-communism movements for quite some time in the west and the different forms of totalitarianism in the east..... because I am sure that this is the form of government the UN and the 10 kings will use to first of all create a fear to participate in religion and then exterminate the undesirables. Communism/totalitarian regimes  always single out groups of people who need to be removed-  before the utopia will arrive. 
One has to understand the ideology and see its Satanic nature as a form of control over people. The West has been less dangerous to its OWN citizens but this is changing.  China has now called for the UN to rewrite the way platforms function...... so that people cannot get news the UN does not want you to see from other countries.
Why such a request? Is it to hide the numbers of people dying from disease, hunger, injustice and undesirables in camps? Soon the West will be doing exactly what has been trickling out of China. 
Is this now being imported in the West? Yes.  If people  cannot see what is happening in front of their eyes they are as blind as bats. Several countries already have camps called "green camps" and "humanitarian camps" . 
PEople cannot see that Satan is using a totalitarian agenda to have TOTAL control over people and will eventually force all to OBEY the system or be eliminated -  brothers will give up brothers to save their own lives..... as the bible prophesied.
Again - I look at this not from a West versus East perspective ..... but from a ONE global perspective.  Satan wants to quaratee a global "peace and security" and build a secure prison for all.  (Sieges in olden days were situations where all were in lock-down)... so the "God of fortresses" (dan 11) has started.... 
Capitalism and communism is merging into "stakeholder capitalism " for the oligarchs. Oligarchs are saying they must be "socially responsible" ha-ha ..... when  they will be ruining the environment to get rare earth metals from the sea and land. Kill billions with their gene-medicines.  (I saw the new Merck product for Covid is a gene therapy. .... normal medicines are all now messing with your Gene's and they soon will start on the 5 - 10 year olds ) 
WHY would anyone be an apologist for any of the ideologies of the different governments NOW running the earth?  
USA with its military industrial complex which deals in death-dealing drugs and weapons and overthrows all kinds of governments all over the world and hides the killing of civilians in its warfare.....  Communistic and totalitarian governments which kills its own undesirable citizens and then calls it merely propaganda when they COVER up what they do with even more death!
Deceit, lies, murder - these are what governments do to a lesser or higher degree. But soon all governments will follow UN instructions and start to eliminate their own undesirable citizens. Nuremberg laws are being broken EVERY  day. 
Either one believes Satan is a murderer or you do not. To say that it is propaganda against USA or China when its atrocities are exposed is a moral blindness or a total nativity! 
People like Assange who know how to hack and publish atrocities will soon ALL be in prison. These governments cannot tolerate citizen journalists who load up images of their atrocities which they want to keep HIDDEN.  
As a Christian- I am all for LAW - but applied to everyone equally. Total diplomatic immunity for crimes from the ruling elite is not my idea of justice for all.
 

Come, come, tell the truth and shame the Devil. I do not paint you as black and evil. I paint you as a dodo.