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Arauna

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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    There is no time in heaven but Jehovah puts everything in a timeline for us humans here on earth.... so I rephrase what I said above so that you can understand it:  Jehovah allowed Moses to write down what happened in heaven about Job,  so we know that this incident happened in the lifetime of Moses, or just before, in the area of Oz. 
    Although events happen in the spiritual realm they are given to us in a certain earthly time frame - so we can understand it was real events in the spiritual realm.  How do we know that Jesus was crowned in the spiritual realm and it was a literal event which really took place? - it is timed with other prophecies which came true on earth..
    How do we know when "symbolic"  Babylon the Great will be destroyed? Because we know that the "image of the beast" (which is a symbol which has been laterally identified by JWs) will be prompted by Jehovah to do this.   There are literal events happening -even if it is depicted in a symbolic way.  Literal events are written down for us to understand even they happen in the spiritual realm.
    Personal attacks are a sign of weakness on your part - You are NOT a judge for Jehovah... Jehovah is the ultimate judge.
    I think you should read the definitions of spiritual, literal, symbolic, before you write another article again.  the meaning of spiritual means it is how it affects a person themself. So when you use this word in a sloppy way it could mean that the person only experienced the event within themself and it was not a real event outside the person.  I tried to indicate to you there is a difference in the meanings but you are too stubborn to even look up  if you could have been wrong.   I could be wrong too....... but I am humble enough to acknowledge it if I make a mistake....... are you?
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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    I do not believe any of the above - therefore, you are trying to slander me.  Do you realize that?  This is unchristian behavior.  This is all slander without proof!
    I did not agree with your word choices about 1914 - that is all.  I have have been on this forum much longer than you and have partaken in discussions about 1914 and the year 607....... and I can assure you I am one of the few who fully accepts 1914 as the year Jesus was crowned in heaven.  So go and slander someone else.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    The EVENT (the crowning of Christ) is literal but it takes place in the spiritual realm - in the realm where angels have spiritual bodies.  Jesus was crowned in heaven but has a spiritual body. Jehovah has a spiritual body and spoke to Satan in heaven about Job.  These were real (literal)  events!  Not symbolic events - they were literal events happening in earthly time - in the heavenly realm where Jehovah and the angels have spiritual bodies!
    The earthly time of Job was just before Moses came to Oz.... so we can place these literal events in a earthly time frame.  (There is no physical time in heaven).
    You see - I am sensitive about the literal and symbolic use of words regarding this.  I come from a country which has a religion which believes that the death of Christ was not a literal event but was symbolic.  They believe that Christs rulership, appointment as king etc. are all symbolic events and not literal events in the spiritual realm.
    If Jehovah does the trouble to give us a scene from his heavenly realm and shows how Jesus comes up to the ancient of days to receive the crown it means that this "real or literal"  event really happened and is described in terms which humans can  understand.
     
    I do not set myself up as a teacher or a debater here - we have the slave to teach JWs and JWs should be able to discern right from wrong.  But false prophets can come on here and use tons of scriptures and teach "almost" the truth but not the truth.
    We all know that Jesus is not coming back with a physical body - Armageddon will be fought by Jesus and his angels who come from the heavenly realm and have spiritual bodies.  This does not make Armageddon a spiritual event because we will se literal dead bodies around. 
     
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    Arauna got a reaction from C-D67 in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    More than enough scriptures were used at the convention.  I am not a teacher or a debater on this forum. I give logical opinions - that is it.
    You can take up some of the thoughts which are in line with the scriptures you already know - or discard them.  I expect people on here to know most of the basic scriptures.
    I have in the past taken the time to look up the scriptures and people just ignore them and go on presenting their own ideas. 
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    I dunno. In that case we’d all be disciples of you-know-who, who quotes scriptures by the truckload but they never apply.
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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    More than enough scriptures were used at the convention.  I am not a teacher or a debater on this forum. I give logical opinions - that is it.
    You can take up some of the thoughts which are in line with the scriptures you already know - or discard them.  I expect people on here to know most of the basic scriptures.
    I have in the past taken the time to look up the scriptures and people just ignore them and go on presenting their own ideas. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    More than enough scriptures were used at the convention.  I am not a teacher or a debater on this forum. I give logical opinions - that is it.
    You can take up some of the thoughts which are in line with the scriptures you already know - or discard them.  I expect people on here to know most of the basic scriptures.
    I have in the past taken the time to look up the scriptures and people just ignore them and go on presenting their own ideas. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from Thinking in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    We agree on one important thing Pudgy - the cancel culture is sooooo stupid.  It comes from a pretense of false righteousness - when people think they have the moral high ground. They exhibit a fake piety and sometimes publically.
    Humans do NOT have the moral high ground - only Jehovah's opinion on any moral issue  is the one that matters. We are all absolutely equal under God - so we will be in unity and love if we agree on Jehovah's standards.  The alternate way, yes they can be considered and even  debated to some extent....... but it will be flawed and does not lead to true righteousness. 
    Jehovah allows us to evaluate options - righteous and unrighteous ones..... and hopes that we choose His moral way when the choice-time comes.
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    Arauna got a reaction from C-D67 in Armageddon comes in two phases...   
    Ok, I referred to our recent 3- day convention which you are not taking into consideration. . My language was not perfect, I agree, just as yours does not properly define literal and spiritual events. BUT the point was that the throwing of satan out of heaven was  actually (correction - not the first ) the 2nd step leading to the time of  the end / or the period leading up  to Armageddon. I loved the idea at the convention where they tied SEVERAL  literal events (or steps) to the eventual culmination in Armageddon. 
    The first step was that Jesus was crowned in heaven. This was a literal event that took place in the spiritual realm..... (NOT A SPIRITUAL event.) ...... Jesus thereafter "hurled" Satan down. This was in the spiritual realm but was a literal / real event.....after this there are several signs/ steps and events which culminate in Armageddon.
     
    My objection to your  writing was that you used either the wrong words or do not understand that it was literal events that took place.  They were not merely spiritual events. 
    ARMAGEDDON FOR ME, IS A SINGLE, literal,  WORLD SITUATION which is a decisive battle between all human governments  and the incoming Godly government.. It does not last to the end of the 1000 years.  The reason being:  human rulership will have reached it's full potential  (which will prove once and for all, the corruption and futility  involved with human rule). Humankind will have reached its peak in science and its alienation from Jehovah. 
    Gog of Magog, at the end of the millenium, will be a similar united resistance movement against jehovah  but it is not a  second phase of "Armageddon".  It will be an attempt to take over with human rule..... just like Adam and Eve did.  But the scale of suffering and a great tribulation such as the world had never seen before, will not be associated with it. 
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    Arauna reacted to AveragePub in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Or one could wait until the eighth day or later to see if Jehovah recreates them.
    This is my response to the person wanting a dinosaur.
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Claret. I hear that she seriously boozes it up with the Librarian (that old hen) every evening.
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Witness said the C-word?
    I mean, I can do it because I don’t pretend to be shining brightly as the sun,  but her!
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    Arauna reacted to Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    ⬆️⬆️(Satire Alert)⬆️⬆️
     
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    Arauna reacted to TrueTomHarley in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I put it first on my own blog. It’s also in TTvtA.
    It didn’t carry the day with that Reddit bunch, but then they ARE a hostile crowd. And even I have to admit those mannerisms do take getting used to, regardless of their origin. I think we have to drop back to Pudgy’s comment:
    Coming from cynical Pudgy, this is extraordinary praise, the equivalent of ‘Stellar’ from anyone else. 
    It may be just an example of God ‘laughing at the wisdom of this systems’s wise ones,’ proof that his anointed are, as in the first century, seldom of ‘noble birth,’ nor ‘wise,’ but decidedly ‘uneducated and ordinary.’
    I’ll take substance over style any day. Turn on the TV and you can see endless people whose ‘style’ is impeccable. Among them are some of the stupidest people whom God ever let roam the earth.
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    Arauna reacted to JW Insider in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    A few months ago, I looked up "Stephen Lett" together with "Bells Palsy" in Google to see if I could find anything on this. I found out that TTH had presented an article about Stephen Lett called Let us Appreciate Stephen Lett (https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/96dllz/let_us_appreciate_stephen_lett/)
    The article was from 4 years ago, and there was a later edit from TTH which said:
    Edit: It turns out that Brother Lett has grappled with Bell's palsy, which paralizes facial muscles on the affected side, and as part of rehab, he got into the habit of exagerated facial movements, a habit that stuck, or is perhaps even still advisable. The elder telling me this said, when I pressed him, that he had it "on good authority." Knowing him, I rate it as probably a 90% chance. So you never know. You just don't.
     
    Even before locating that, I had already clicked on another much more recent comment in reddit that said:
     
    According to what I read he had Bells Palsy and his exaggerated facial expressions were acquired over time in response to trying to overcome the nerve damage.
     
    I don't know if that more recent comment had been picked up through TTH's comments, or if it was from an independent source.
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    Arauna reacted to Witness in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I noticed you are confused by what I said, @Arauna.  Both the "thousand years" at Rev 20:2,7 and the "one hour" in Rev 17:12 are spans of time.  The "one hour" is symbolic, obviously; and so is the "thousand years".  We can't take either one of them literally in a symbolic book of "signs". 
    Rev 1:1- The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John
    "signify" - "to give a sign".  
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    Arauna reacted to xero in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    No one has a coherent and believable narrative on the whole book of revelation. At critical points it all goes crazy conspiracy theory. 
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    Arauna got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I do not debate with her any longer - but I did make comments about being deaf and speaking with body language so people can understand.  Jesus only answered the Pharisees when someone else could learn by his words..... 
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    Arauna reacted to BroRando in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    to claim a thousand years doesn't mean a thousand years.  
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    Arauna reacted to Witness in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast."  Rev 17:12
    Using your theory, "one hour" in this scripture is a literal one hour.  This is the "eighth king" in control...for one literal hour?  Even the Wt. doesn't believe that.
     
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    Arauna got a reaction from xero in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    I do not debate with her any longer - but I did make comments about being deaf and speaking with body language so people can understand.  Jesus only answered the Pharisees when someone else could learn by his words..... 
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    Arauna reacted to C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    What does anyone's handicap have to do with teaching the word of Jehovah? 
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    Arauna reacted to C-D67 in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    This is why Brother Letts perception is not false, when he stated "babies are enemies of God" the off right has now chosen to twist around on YouTube.-
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    Arauna reacted to xero in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    To be really politically incorrect
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    Arauna got a reaction from Peter Carroll in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    He has... if you have chatted with parents who are deaf your whole life.... you would also use facial expressions in a way nobody else does.....
    I have decided you are positively without a conscience..... 
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