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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from SuzA in Epilogue - Ruminations of a Cantankerous Old Barbarian
You are a rock of faith, JT. You managed to prove that disagreement and submission are not exclusive.
Jehovah's peace go with you and yours.
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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from JW Insider in How can we be sure that Gods Name is Jehovah?
The exact pronunciation is not known anymore. So, as to the validity of "Jehovah".
It only applies in the languages it was defined as. How, you wonder? Let's take "fire".
Is that the original pronunciation of what we know as fire by the being that first mentioned it? We can 99.999999999999999% guarantee it is *not*. So. Is "fire" the incorrect word for fire? By the reasoning some want to apply, the answer is "yes." Which means, pretty much, no-one in he world knows what they are talking about and are speaking gibberish.
That is where we have "transliteration" and "translation". YHWH is incorrect. Why? The Tetragrammaton is *not written in modern Romanized characters.* YHWH is *not* God's name, *by any means.*
It is an attempt to use existing character combinations with an aproximate sound to the word in another language. In the case of YHWH, this is even *more* incorrect, since the pronunciation is not being transliterated, but raw characters, whose pronunciation in that particular combination in their native language *no longer exists.* This brings us to "translation". To use an example, if you ever meet a Korean with the name "Lee", "Lee" is *not* his name. It is a *translation*. His real name, in accurate *transliteration* is "Ee". Lim is really "Him" without the "H" sound. Mr. Park has no "r" in his real name. I am sure you also have many examples.
Which, now, brings us back to Jehovah and English.
Until the time of Tyndale, no one had translated the original Hebrew texts into English. Yet, there is a word there that occurs about 7000 times, the concept and exact match of which the English language *does not have*. Now, since *no one alive then or now* knows *how* that word is pronounced, Tyndale could have written Spongebob with a notation on the front that "Spongebob" is how he will represent the Tetragrammaton in his *translation*, because, with the pronunciation of the original *not known* he *cannot* transliterate. But, instead, he noticed that "Jeova" was being used elsewhere and why, so, rather than pick "Spongebob" he picked Jehovah (modern spelling. It was with an "i" before) and maintained some sort of reasoning for the translation.
And, of course, the reason Tyndale had to make a translation in the first place has its origins *with God.*
(ASV) Genesis 11:9 Therefore was the name of it called Babel; because Jehovah did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did Jehovah scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
As God did not reveal His Name until *after* the Babel episode, those who eventually learned English *had no native concept* of the meaning of God's name, therefore no equivalent word to the Tetragrammaton. They would have to come up with them when they ran into the concept. And, when Tyndale did, he coined
"Jehovah"
to represent the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in the English language about 500 years ago. And, this fact is attested to, still, in dictionaries:
British "Jehovah" in British English
See all translations Jehovahnoun
UK /dʒəˈhəʊ.və/ US /dʒəˈhoʊ.və/ › the name of God used in the Old Testament of the Bible http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jehovah
Now, you can call out "Korean Dude!" or "Mr. Lee!". But, Mr. "Ee" will appreciate you using his name, which, in English, is Mr. "Lee."
And that is how we view Jehovah, which, in Korean, is Yohowah, which, in ancient Hebrew is . . . The Tetragrammaton. But, you can use Yahweh (or one of the 50 different variations claiming to be the True Pronunciation) if you want: It is *still* wrong. When the New Kingdom arrives for good, I am sure the True Name will be in wide use, and all will have the correct pronunciation. But, until then, we are left with Jesus's words at John 17:26
(CEB) I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known so that your love for me will be in them, and I myself will be in them.”
And that is a *critical* reason to be using God's Name, *however* it may have been translated into the language *God Himself* gave you.
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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from Γιαννης Διαμαντιδης in How can we be sure that Gods Name is Jehovah?
The exact pronunciation is not known anymore. So, as to the validity of "Jehovah".
It only applies in the languages it was defined as. How, you wonder? Let's take "fire".
Is that the original pronunciation of what we know as fire by the being that first mentioned it? We can 99.999999999999999% guarantee it is *not*. So. Is "fire" the incorrect word for fire? By the reasoning some want to apply, the answer is "yes." Which means, pretty much, no-one in he world knows what they are talking about and are speaking gibberish.
That is where we have "transliteration" and "translation". YHWH is incorrect. Why? The Tetragrammaton is *not written in modern Romanized characters.* YHWH is *not* God's name, *by any means.*
It is an attempt to use existing character combinations with an aproximate sound to the word in another language. In the case of YHWH, this is even *more* incorrect, since the pronunciation is not being transliterated, but raw characters, whose pronunciation in that particular combination in their native language *no longer exists.* This brings us to "translation". To use an example, if you ever meet a Korean with the name "Lee", "Lee" is *not* his name. It is a *translation*. His real name, in accurate *transliteration* is "Ee". Lim is really "Him" without the "H" sound. Mr. Park has no "r" in his real name. I am sure you also have many examples.
Which, now, brings us back to Jehovah and English.
Until the time of Tyndale, no one had translated the original Hebrew texts into English. Yet, there is a word there that occurs about 7000 times, the concept and exact match of which the English language *does not have*. Now, since *no one alive then or now* knows *how* that word is pronounced, Tyndale could have written Spongebob with a notation on the front that "Spongebob" is how he will represent the Tetragrammaton in his *translation*, because, with the pronunciation of the original *not known* he *cannot* transliterate. But, instead, he noticed that "Jeova" was being used elsewhere and why, so, rather than pick "Spongebob" he picked Jehovah (modern spelling. It was with an "i" before) and maintained some sort of reasoning for the translation.
And, of course, the reason Tyndale had to make a translation in the first place has its origins *with God.*
(ASV) Genesis 11:9 Therefore was the name of it called Babel; because Jehovah did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did Jehovah scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
As God did not reveal His Name until *after* the Babel episode, those who eventually learned English *had no native concept* of the meaning of God's name, therefore no equivalent word to the Tetragrammaton. They would have to come up with them when they ran into the concept. And, when Tyndale did, he coined
"Jehovah"
to represent the Hebrew Tetragrammaton in the English language about 500 years ago. And, this fact is attested to, still, in dictionaries:
British "Jehovah" in British English
See all translations Jehovahnoun
UK /dʒəˈhəʊ.və/ US /dʒəˈhoʊ.və/ › the name of God used in the Old Testament of the Bible http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/jehovah
Now, you can call out "Korean Dude!" or "Mr. Lee!". But, Mr. "Ee" will appreciate you using his name, which, in English, is Mr. "Lee."
And that is how we view Jehovah, which, in Korean, is Yohowah, which, in ancient Hebrew is . . . The Tetragrammaton. But, you can use Yahweh (or one of the 50 different variations claiming to be the True Pronunciation) if you want: It is *still* wrong. When the New Kingdom arrives for good, I am sure the True Name will be in wide use, and all will have the correct pronunciation. But, until then, we are left with Jesus's words at John 17:26
(CEB) I’ve made your name known to them and will continue to make it known so that your love for me will be in them, and I myself will be in them.”
And that is a *critical* reason to be using God's Name, *however* it may have been translated into the language *God Himself* gave you.
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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from vandenbusschevanoostjosett in Death of a lovely sister
Though only through a couple of post replies, I find she touched my life much more than I would have thought.
Condolences to all those who knew her so much more than I.
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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from Γιαννης Διαμαντιδης in Scientists find link between cat ownership and schizophrenia
"thank you dear brothers and all the Jehovah's witness comunity worlwide for trying to protect us from bad cats !"
It's not the cats.
It's the parasites. One reason for posting the article is to properly inform people. Try reading it. Against all odds, you might actually learn something.
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AnonymousBrother reacted to JW Insider in Epilogue - Ruminations of a Cantankerous Old Barbarian
I just found this, and I feel like I'm losing a friend. A friend I never met, that is, and a friend with whom I probably disagree with on more subjects than I can remember right now Forums aren't the same as "real-life" congregations, and friends on forums aren't the same as friends in "real life" either. Still, it's a bit like when one of your favorite elders steps down or moves away.
There is something liberating about being free to speak about whatever we find interesting. The freedom of speech that you, JTR, have enjoyed here was a true achievement. I'm sure it turned away a lot of friends here (I know the feeling) but it also made some points that will forever be remembered for good.
Thanks for what you've done. I hope I'm still here when and if you decide to find your way back for some additional rounds. I doubt you've run out of ammunition.
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AnonymousBrother got a reaction from Blanchie DeGrate in Death of a lovely sister
Though only through a couple of post replies, I find she touched my life much more than I would have thought.
Condolences to all those who knew her so much more than I.
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AnonymousBrother reacted to Blanchie DeGrate in Death of a lovely sister
Dear Brothers and Sisters, please allow me to share with you one of the email messages I personally received from Miss Moneypenny or Sarah Jane. You see, I have a lot of challenges that I have to deal with on a daily basis and the depression that comes along with it, could crush an elephant. But one day when I couldn't navigate through the site by myself and I was so up set and crying, well, here's part of what she wrote to me: My darling sister, I will not go through to the Kingdom without you! Come on, Jehovah has your right hand and I have your left and Jehovah and I will help you stand again. Listen to Jehovah at Isaiah 43:13 : for I Jehovah your God , am grasping your right hand, the one saying: do not be afraid. I will help you. Blanchie you are not alone, we have 8 million Brothers and Sisters world wide and we have a Unique bond between us all - LOVE. I too sometimes feel like you do, but we cannot give up. You are in my heart and mind constantly and I wish I was in the same congregation as you as I would share my favorite Kingdom Song with you. So just for today, pretend I've come around to see you and I brought some sandwiches and cake for us to enjoy with a cup of English tea. Her favorite song is Song 60, He Will Make You Strong. (1Peter 5:10) I don't think she would mind me sharing this will all of you. I loved her so much and I miss her and yet...........I never physically meet her. Thank you for listening and please pray for me and my family. I love you all. Sarah use to say:. Hugs and kisses. So to you all, Hugs and Kisses.