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    The Librarian got a reaction from tromboneck in Graphic: Anointed Remnant Partakers at the memorial celebrations since 1938   
    @Queen Esther don't discourage commenting on this topic. I feel it is important for everyone to understand.  There is obviously a lot of confusion out there.  
    You can unfollow the topic replies above if you don't want to be notified. :-)
    thanks for the great post.  
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    The Librarian reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Has the Society ever ruled on what happens if a man or woman abandons their spouse forever ... is the one abandoned stuck forever ?   
    Has the Society ever ruled on what happens if a man or woman abandons their spouse forever ... is the one abandoned stuck forever ?
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    The Librarian got a reaction from JW Insider in LIVE BLOG: Jehovah's Witnesses Appeal Russian Supreme Court Ruling   
    On Monday, July 17, 2017, a three-judge panel will consider the appeal of the Russian Supreme Court’s April 20 decision against Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further updates about the hearing will be provided using this new breaking news feature. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Russia. Regardless of the outcome, we are confident that Jehovah has all matters in hand and the nations will know that he is Jehovah.–Ezekiel 38:23...

    @bruceq made the following updates:  (he is now posting new comments below as they happen)
    14:54Novakov shows the sequence of video frames trial clearly show that extremist publications of Jehovah's Witnesses had been planted. He brings to the court and other egregious evidence of falsification of evidence against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. All these fraudulent cases are at the heart of the matter. 14:45It gives explanations to the court representative Nowak. And his first thought is that the circumstances relied upon by the Court related to administrative offenses, have no force prejudicial to the case.   14:35As an example of failure to prove the circumstances specified in the court decision, the ax quotes from the decision that the Administrative Center participated in the financing of MPO, which are recognized as extremist. This fact is to prove if the extremist nature of the Administrative Center. However, the Ministry of Justice did not provide the court (as suggested by Ax, intentionally!) Relevant contracts donations and decisions of the Administrative Center for a donation, from which it follows that the donation of funds to these organizations was carried out, first of all, a few years before the recognition of their extremist and, the second is to clearly defined objectives: the construction of buildings of worship, to the victims of natural disasters, utility payments and perform other obligations to the state. All of these contracts and decisions were transferred to the Ministry of Justice Administrative Center during the inspection, previous to applying to the court of Justice.   The third thesis presentation Toporova is that the judgment be set aside due to lack of evidence of the circumstances established by the trial court.   14:24The above-mentioned argument supports the second point Topo: the court's decision is subject to cancellation due to incorrect application of substantive law. Trying to justify the recognition of the structural units of MPO administrative defendant, for whose actions he must answer, the court made a wrong application of substantive law, to apply the law, not to be applied, namely, the laws "On Political Parties", "On Public Associations". The court gave an incorrect interpretation of the law "On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations" and "On Countering Extremist Activity" CAS Russian Federation, including without regard to the legal positions contained in the decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Plenum of the RF Armed Forces and the Presidium of the Russian Supreme Court.   14:20Conclusions The Court of First Instance contradict the entire long-term established jurisprudence of cases against local religious organizations, said Ax. As evidence, he cites the definition that the Russian Supreme Court stated in its decision of December 8, 2009: "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and the local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog "is an autonomous organization, which is also confirmed by the adoption of the cassation instance court evidence, including a diagram of the structure of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog ". The question of the rights and duties of the Administrative Center of the Regional Court in considering the above statement the prosecutor of the Rostov region is not resolved, the decision of the Rostov Regional Court on September 11, 2009 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses "Taganrog" was recognized as extremist and eliminated. " In this case, this court ruling is prejudicial to the present case, as it was handed down by the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in respect of the administrative defendant. It establishes the fact that the liquidation of the local religious organization, part of the structure of the Administrative Center shall not affect the rights and obligations of the latter, since this local religious associations and the Administrative Center are independent organizations. The Court of First Instance ignored the evidence that led to the incorrect use of their sub   13:56Turn to give an explanation becomes representative Toporov. The first thesis of his speech focused on Article 310 of the CAS Code, under which "the decision of the trial court shall be subject to unconditional cancellation in case the court decides on the rights and obligations of persons not involved in the administrative case."14:00Court decision eliminated the religious organization "Jehovah's Witnesses Administrative Center in Russia" and included in its structure of local religious organizations. All these local religious organizations are clearly listed in the decision of the court of first instance, and that the transfer takes half of the text of all decisions. However, to participate in the court of the 395 organizations involved were not.   13:55On the other hand, due to the decision of the court themselves believers are subjected to a substantial violation of their rights. Little wife gives various facts to prove it. For example, the fact of refusal believers to replace military service with alternative civilian service on the basis of a court decision. Concluding his speech, little wife attached to the case copies of the minutes and agendas of the draft commissions from the recruiting office.   "And what threat to state or public are we talking about if even the President himself awarded JWs on May 31 in Kremlin?" Check and CHECKMATE   13:52"But, dear court, let's look at the facts and see someone who threatens someone who hurts, - he says Zhenkov.- it was found that over the 26 years of the official activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia has not suffered any damage to the state in the first instance court nor morality in society. No acts of vandalism on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses, there is no violence. So that there is violence, not even acts of protest! It turns out that the threat of a court wrote in its decision, is imaginary, far-fetched. If it was real, then for 26 years of official existence in Russia and 100 years of unofficial, it would be true. But the court's decision does not contain any evidence of harm from their activities. What kind of threat to society and the state can be a question if recently as May 31, 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin presents the Order of "Parental Glory" family of Jehovah's Witnesses? "   13:50Fourth thesis Zhenkova - the disparity of the court decision. Little wife quotes from the court's decision: "Contrary to the arguments of opposition organizations such interference is proportionate and necessary ... as it ensures the removal of rights violations, freedoms and legitimate interests of an indefinite number of persons, the real threat of harm to the individual, to public health, public order, public security, public and the state. "   13:45Little wife draws attention to the fact that the Administrative Center has been denied participation in court cases on the recognition of printed materials as extremist. In some cases, the believers do not even know, and what did this or that book as extremist because the court held that Jehovah's Witnesses were innocent. The same position has consistently held and the Supreme Court of Russia, with the result that the Administrative Center had no right to participate in, nor cause his arguments to the court or to appeal against the court decision. And now the court of first instance for some reason, to apply the opposite approach. Now, the Court considers that on the basis of these decisions Administrative Center can be eliminated. "Dear Court - little wife says - you have the opportunity to correct this injustice. The Supreme Court it is important to be consistent, he's a model for all Russian courts. "   13:30Little wife quotes from the Ministry of Justice of the document: "The recognition of information materials confessional Jehovah's Witnesses extremist ... confirms ... the fact of the presence in them prohibitively offensive from the point of view of the Russian Federation methods conviction expression of the truth of their religious beliefs, and in this case not even the truth of beliefs, and in the interpretation of the precepts contained in the Bible. " This characteristic does not correspond to reality. Little wife draws attention to the fact that the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses publications "extremist" were found eight years ago. And at that time there was still no decision number 11 of the Plenum of the Supreme Court, which were explained that the courts should be understood as hate speech or hate. Until 2011, some courts have mistakenly believed that if Jehovah's Witnesses religion is called in the literature the only true, it's a sign of incitement to hatred, as an insult to other religions. And if in the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Trinity - this is not a biblical doctrine, that such an interpretation of the Bible even more, according to some judges, aroused hatred. But that was before 2011, until the Supreme Court did not explain that the criticism of religious associations, religious beliefs, religious practices should not be regarded as an act aimed at inciting hatred or enmity. It took years to get all finally realized that conside   13:20The third thesis Zhenkova: Court of First Instance incorrectly defined the circumstances relevant for administrative affairs. Little wife lists a number of examples.   13:15Zhenkova second thesis is that the findings of the trial court is not appropriate in the circumstances of the administrative case. For example, in the court decision states: "As follows from the case for the past seven years annually required by law to establish the facts of extremist activities of the Organization ..." However, the court found the exact opposite. Lawyer little wife: "Administrative plaintiff in the court acknowledged that the facts have not been established in the actions directly Administrative Center of extremist activities, and the court says - installed."   13:10Little wife gives an example. He says that in the trial we found that in the Crimea of Jehovah's Witnesses for decades peacefully exercising their religious activities. Once on the territory of Russia and performing Russian law, Jehovah's Witnesses in Crimea asked Russian Ministry of Justice to register their 22 local religious organizations. And the Ministry of Justice, recognizing the legitimacy of their existence and the validity of their beliefs, in 2015, to register them. Thus, the state has recognized that on the peninsula of Crimea is possible to believe in Jehovah God, and why religion called Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to legally exist and operate. And what's next? Less than two years later without establishing their actions signs of extremism, but on the orders of the General Prosecutor's Office, the same Ministry of Justice, which is to register them, appealed to the court to recognize their extremist organizations, and to take away from them all their possessions. And the Supreme Court even without the participation of these entities announced their extremist and liquidated, and allow them to take away all the property. "In this regard, there are questions both legal and universal - says little wife: - What a believer in the Crimea is the punishment? For what specific actions? Answers to these questions in the judgment no. But does such a decision may be legal? "   13:08From the transcript of the hearing shows that the trial court asked plaintiff clear legal issues that are important for the proper settlement of the case. The Court received answers that extremism - it is specific actions listed in the law, and that the management center and more than 300 local religious organizations such actions did not commit.But the judgment and the court ruled for some reason just the opposite - to recognize all 396 extremist organizations and to eliminate them. "How is it that a respected court? - exclaims Zhenkov.- Would you like the college, this should not cause problems? If there is no extremist activities, then for that to recognize the extremist ?!   13:04Little wife, "If the Administrative Center did not commit extremist acts, we have a representative of the Ministry of Justice to sort things out in court and whether each of the 395 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia committed extremist actions? The answer is the Ministry of Justice was limited to the fact that only in respect of 10 of them are court decisions, and in the other there is no such data. A natural question: if the court has not been established that the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and at least 385 local religious organizations, committed any extremist actions, why the court found them extremist and liquidated? ". 12:58After finishing the report, the court of the defendant offers to give his explanation. The first lawyer speaks little wife. Zhenkova first thesis is that the court decision does not have evidence of extremist activity of the Administrative Center. Little wife quotes from the protocol of the trial court. The court: "What is confirmed that the organization carried out extremist activity?". Ministry of Justice: "A religious organization has not taken any effective measures to curb this activity ...". The Court also figured in the administrative claimant, whether the adoption of insufficient measures may, or even inaction be a sign of extremism? The Ministry of Justice with reference to the law had to admit - not extremism can only be deliberate actions.   12:15The court announces a break in the meeting on a motion.12:25After returning from the deliberation room, the court refuses to satisfy all the stated applications.12:30Manohina judge begins its essence.12:45Having set out the arguments of the claim, the position of the defendant, the court tells the essence of the decision rendered April 20, 2017.12:51The Court proceeds to paraphrase the appeal filed on behalf of a religious organization.   12:07Since there are no more requests, the Court invited the representative of the Ministry of Justice to express their opinion. The representative of the Ministry of Justice objected to the adjournment proceedings against the video, against the questioning of witnesses - victims of political repression citizens. In addition, the Ministry of Justice against fraud questioning witnesses against the taking of evidence from the courts. The representative of the Ministry of Justice believes that the petition aimed at the revision entered into force court decisions that, in his opinion, it is inadmissible. Video from the fact of violation of citizens' rights representative of the Ministry of Justice considers neotnosimym proof.   12:03Participation by linguists is necessary because the accusations of extremism imposed on Jehovah's Witnesses - are not taken from real life or set of offenses, but only vyuzheny of their liturgical texts. text analysis takes just linguists.12:04Little wife says another application - for the admission of new evidence. We are talking about events that took place after the decision of 20 April, - acts of vandalism and other offenses, provoked by the decision. These events appear in a video, and the little wife petitions for their viewing in the courtroom.   11:59Not allowed previous petitions, the court offers Zhenkovu lawyer read out his application.12:00Little wife seeks interrogation experts (theologians, linguists). The court of first instance court wrongly denied this. Meanwhile, experts explain the need for a legitimate and reasonable solutions. Thus, in the field of religious studies expert could clarify specific concepts of Christianity, which are used in the charter of a religious organization, as well as how the stated goals and objectives of the Jehovah's Witnesses implemented them in practice. Importantly, the theologian could clarify whether the inherent belief in the truth of their religion only to Jehovah's Witnesses, or is it a characteristic of any religion.   11:55Continuing to talk about the need for the taking of evidence, counsel recalls that under the new clause in the law on combating extremist activity the Bible and quotes from it can not be recognized as extremist materials. Call for evidence, the court can make sure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses is always based on the Bible, it encourages people to love God and to love one's neighbor, and strengthens faith in the Bible. This all means that the Jehovah's Witnesses literature recognized as "extremist" by mistake and in any case can not serve as a basis for the prohibition of an entire religion, in which hundreds of thousands of adherents in Russia.   11:50Lawyer Omelchenko reminded that the law requires the court to examine all the evidence directly. For example, given the seriousness of the case for freedom of religion throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court should immediately investigate on what grounds was a Jehovah's Witness literature as extremist, and whether these are sufficient grounds to meet the requirements of the Ministry of Justice of Russia. Court could ensure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses are no signs of incitement to hatred or enmity in the form in which they identified the Plenum of the Supreme Court in its judgment of 28 June 2011. Another has not set any court! (Under the excitation of hatred and enmity, according to the Plenum, implied statements justifying the genocide, repression, deportations, the use of violence against members of any nation, race or religion. As the Plenum, even criticism of religious beliefs or religious practices should not be seen as extremism.)   11:45The lawyer says Omelchenko extensive petition for the recovery of evidence the courts relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in an attempt to prove the "extremism" Jehovah's Witnesses. A similar petition was stated in the trial court, but the court denied his satisfaction. Therefore, the defendant requests that the Court of Appeal nevertheless reclaim materials from the ships are Jehovah's Witnesses, who were recognized as "extremist". After all, court decisions on their own are not prejudicial to the case, such as the Court of First Instance found, in view of the fact that the Administrative Center has not participated in the review.   11:31Novakov representative said the request for the examination of witnesses planted of extremist literature and other fraud, organized or used by law enforcement agencies, according to the cases relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in its lawsuit. Witnesses were in the courtroom and are willing to testify.11:40Novakov said that four witnesses were in the courtroom. The Court, without prejudging definitions of file petitions and asks, is there any other application. Novakov seeks to call in the courtroom another 53 witnesses fraud.   11:28The lawyer Lew continues to apply for the examination of witnesses Pavla Bezhenarya and Anatoliya Yasinskogo. They are recognized as victims of political repression as Jehovah's Witnesses. They know that the prohibition of religious organizations is harsh and unfounded persecution of believers of the religion. Thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in April 1951 lost their property and were sent in cattle cars from the western regions of the USSR into permanent exile in Siberia, and later they were subjected to searches, confiscation of religious literature, discrimination and imprisonment because live by the Bible's commandments. Bejenaru, for example, known information about that in 1951 he and his family were expelled from Moldova to Tomsk region. Later he was twice convicted and spent 8 years in prison on the grounds that followed Christ's command: "Put your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Because of discrimination it six times had to relocate. In 1982, he was faced with the search and seizure of religious literature. Having recognized these people as victims of political repression, the government condemned the "years of terror unleashed by the Bolshevik Party and the Soviet regime against the clergy and the faithful of all religions" and committed itself to "ensure real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights." In fact, the government has promised to make sure that does not happen that with which they are faced.   11:22Omelchenko said the lawyer request for interrogation as witnesses of rehabilitated citizens who are Jehovah's Witnesses. The Court of First Instance rejected in their interrogation. Contrary to his promise, the court did not examine the right degree circumstances of political repression against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, for example, ignored the question, what actions of public authorities have already been recognized by political repression, and did not check whether to continue these acts committed against Witness Jehovah now. why the lawyer asked to postpone this hearing to determine the participants of the Whole proceedings on appeal against the decision. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transponder is lawyer Yuriy Toporov. The composition of the Judicial Board - Manohina judge Galina (chairman), Zaytsev Vladimir Yurevich Vladimir V. Popov. None of the parties is to state the reasons for someone to judge the challenge.11:17After the introductory words of the lawyer Omelchenko said motion to postpone consideration of the case until then, until the decision will be made by the numerous individual complaints, which have been adopted in the production of the Appeals Chamber of the Supreme Court. The lawyer explains that the decision of the court numerous complaints from individuals were filed on April 20, which substantiated the details that have been affected by the decision of their rights and interests, and thus they had to be brought to participate in the case. The fact that they did not have the opportunity to participate in the case, itself indicates that the decision should be automatically canceled. However, all these complaints were returned without any analysis of the given arguments. The Court merely stated that "the contested judicial act does not resolve the issue of their rights and responsibilities." In response, citizens filed a private complaint, however, contrary to all logic, the Court intends to consider them already after will make a final decision on the case. That's why 9:30On Moscow's Arbat District, where the Supreme Court of Russia, go dark clouds. At the entrance to the courthouse gathered a large group of citizens, their number is closer to 150. Those who stand in the queue, came to the entrance at 4am. Noticeable journalists armed with shooting equipment. Moscow police to ensure public order. 10:00To hear once again provided the largest meeting room. On the faces of the court employees solemn expression, everyone is trying to flawlessly perform their duties. In the hall I heard a discreet hum.10:05In the courtroom, sounds foreign speech: there is quite a lot of foreign observers, the majority are Jehovah's Witnesses in different countries. Also have observers who arrived at the courthouse with diplomatic plates on cars. 10:40Place an administrative claimant is empty. On the part of the defendant administration - representative of a religious organization Vasiliy Mihaylovich Kalin, lawyers Viktor Zhenkov and Anton Omelchenko, a lawyer Maksim Novakov. 10:50In the courtroom, leaning over a tablet, journalists of Russian mass media work. Place an administrative claimant takes Svetlana Konstantinovna Borisova, who represented the Ministry of Justice in the Court of First Instance.11:10The room was quiet, the parties and observers are waiting for the judges. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transpond
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    On Monday, July 17, 2017, a three-judge panel will consider the appeal of the Russian Supreme Court’s April 20 decision against Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further updates about the hearing will be provided using this new breaking news feature. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Russia. Regardless of the outcome, we are confident that Jehovah has all matters in hand and the nations will know that he is Jehovah.–Ezekiel 38:23...

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    14:54Novakov shows the sequence of video frames trial clearly show that extremist publications of Jehovah's Witnesses had been planted. He brings to the court and other egregious evidence of falsification of evidence against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. All these fraudulent cases are at the heart of the matter. 14:45It gives explanations to the court representative Nowak. And his first thought is that the circumstances relied upon by the Court related to administrative offenses, have no force prejudicial to the case.   14:35As an example of failure to prove the circumstances specified in the court decision, the ax quotes from the decision that the Administrative Center participated in the financing of MPO, which are recognized as extremist. This fact is to prove if the extremist nature of the Administrative Center. However, the Ministry of Justice did not provide the court (as suggested by Ax, intentionally!) Relevant contracts donations and decisions of the Administrative Center for a donation, from which it follows that the donation of funds to these organizations was carried out, first of all, a few years before the recognition of their extremist and, the second is to clearly defined objectives: the construction of buildings of worship, to the victims of natural disasters, utility payments and perform other obligations to the state. All of these contracts and decisions were transferred to the Ministry of Justice Administrative Center during the inspection, previous to applying to the court of Justice.   The third thesis presentation Toporova is that the judgment be set aside due to lack of evidence of the circumstances established by the trial court.   14:24The above-mentioned argument supports the second point Topo: the court's decision is subject to cancellation due to incorrect application of substantive law. Trying to justify the recognition of the structural units of MPO administrative defendant, for whose actions he must answer, the court made a wrong application of substantive law, to apply the law, not to be applied, namely, the laws "On Political Parties", "On Public Associations". The court gave an incorrect interpretation of the law "On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations" and "On Countering Extremist Activity" CAS Russian Federation, including without regard to the legal positions contained in the decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Plenum of the RF Armed Forces and the Presidium of the Russian Supreme Court.   14:20Conclusions The Court of First Instance contradict the entire long-term established jurisprudence of cases against local religious organizations, said Ax. As evidence, he cites the definition that the Russian Supreme Court stated in its decision of December 8, 2009: "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and the local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog "is an autonomous organization, which is also confirmed by the adoption of the cassation instance court evidence, including a diagram of the structure of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog ". The question of the rights and duties of the Administrative Center of the Regional Court in considering the above statement the prosecutor of the Rostov region is not resolved, the decision of the Rostov Regional Court on September 11, 2009 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses "Taganrog" was recognized as extremist and eliminated. " In this case, this court ruling is prejudicial to the present case, as it was handed down by the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in respect of the administrative defendant. It establishes the fact that the liquidation of the local religious organization, part of the structure of the Administrative Center shall not affect the rights and obligations of the latter, since this local religious associations and the Administrative Center are independent organizations. The Court of First Instance ignored the evidence that led to the incorrect use of their sub   13:56Turn to give an explanation becomes representative Toporov. The first thesis of his speech focused on Article 310 of the CAS Code, under which "the decision of the trial court shall be subject to unconditional cancellation in case the court decides on the rights and obligations of persons not involved in the administrative case."14:00Court decision eliminated the religious organization "Jehovah's Witnesses Administrative Center in Russia" and included in its structure of local religious organizations. All these local religious organizations are clearly listed in the decision of the court of first instance, and that the transfer takes half of the text of all decisions. However, to participate in the court of the 395 organizations involved were not.   13:55On the other hand, due to the decision of the court themselves believers are subjected to a substantial violation of their rights. Little wife gives various facts to prove it. For example, the fact of refusal believers to replace military service with alternative civilian service on the basis of a court decision. Concluding his speech, little wife attached to the case copies of the minutes and agendas of the draft commissions from the recruiting office.   "And what threat to state or public are we talking about if even the President himself awarded JWs on May 31 in Kremlin?" Check and CHECKMATE   13:52"But, dear court, let's look at the facts and see someone who threatens someone who hurts, - he says Zhenkov.- it was found that over the 26 years of the official activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia has not suffered any damage to the state in the first instance court nor morality in society. No acts of vandalism on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses, there is no violence. So that there is violence, not even acts of protest! It turns out that the threat of a court wrote in its decision, is imaginary, far-fetched. If it was real, then for 26 years of official existence in Russia and 100 years of unofficial, it would be true. But the court's decision does not contain any evidence of harm from their activities. What kind of threat to society and the state can be a question if recently as May 31, 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin presents the Order of "Parental Glory" family of Jehovah's Witnesses? "   13:50Fourth thesis Zhenkova - the disparity of the court decision. Little wife quotes from the court's decision: "Contrary to the arguments of opposition organizations such interference is proportionate and necessary ... as it ensures the removal of rights violations, freedoms and legitimate interests of an indefinite number of persons, the real threat of harm to the individual, to public health, public order, public security, public and the state. "   13:45Little wife draws attention to the fact that the Administrative Center has been denied participation in court cases on the recognition of printed materials as extremist. In some cases, the believers do not even know, and what did this or that book as extremist because the court held that Jehovah's Witnesses were innocent. The same position has consistently held and the Supreme Court of Russia, with the result that the Administrative Center had no right to participate in, nor cause his arguments to the court or to appeal against the court decision. And now the court of first instance for some reason, to apply the opposite approach. Now, the Court considers that on the basis of these decisions Administrative Center can be eliminated. "Dear Court - little wife says - you have the opportunity to correct this injustice. The Supreme Court it is important to be consistent, he's a model for all Russian courts. "   13:30Little wife quotes from the Ministry of Justice of the document: "The recognition of information materials confessional Jehovah's Witnesses extremist ... confirms ... the fact of the presence in them prohibitively offensive from the point of view of the Russian Federation methods conviction expression of the truth of their religious beliefs, and in this case not even the truth of beliefs, and in the interpretation of the precepts contained in the Bible. " This characteristic does not correspond to reality. Little wife draws attention to the fact that the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses publications "extremist" were found eight years ago. And at that time there was still no decision number 11 of the Plenum of the Supreme Court, which were explained that the courts should be understood as hate speech or hate. Until 2011, some courts have mistakenly believed that if Jehovah's Witnesses religion is called in the literature the only true, it's a sign of incitement to hatred, as an insult to other religions. And if in the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Trinity - this is not a biblical doctrine, that such an interpretation of the Bible even more, according to some judges, aroused hatred. But that was before 2011, until the Supreme Court did not explain that the criticism of religious associations, religious beliefs, religious practices should not be regarded as an act aimed at inciting hatred or enmity. It took years to get all finally realized that conside   13:20The third thesis Zhenkova: Court of First Instance incorrectly defined the circumstances relevant for administrative affairs. Little wife lists a number of examples.   13:15Zhenkova second thesis is that the findings of the trial court is not appropriate in the circumstances of the administrative case. For example, in the court decision states: "As follows from the case for the past seven years annually required by law to establish the facts of extremist activities of the Organization ..." However, the court found the exact opposite. Lawyer little wife: "Administrative plaintiff in the court acknowledged that the facts have not been established in the actions directly Administrative Center of extremist activities, and the court says - installed."   13:10Little wife gives an example. He says that in the trial we found that in the Crimea of Jehovah's Witnesses for decades peacefully exercising their religious activities. Once on the territory of Russia and performing Russian law, Jehovah's Witnesses in Crimea asked Russian Ministry of Justice to register their 22 local religious organizations. And the Ministry of Justice, recognizing the legitimacy of their existence and the validity of their beliefs, in 2015, to register them. Thus, the state has recognized that on the peninsula of Crimea is possible to believe in Jehovah God, and why religion called Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to legally exist and operate. And what's next? Less than two years later without establishing their actions signs of extremism, but on the orders of the General Prosecutor's Office, the same Ministry of Justice, which is to register them, appealed to the court to recognize their extremist organizations, and to take away from them all their possessions. And the Supreme Court even without the participation of these entities announced their extremist and liquidated, and allow them to take away all the property. "In this regard, there are questions both legal and universal - says little wife: - What a believer in the Crimea is the punishment? For what specific actions? Answers to these questions in the judgment no. But does such a decision may be legal? "   13:08From the transcript of the hearing shows that the trial court asked plaintiff clear legal issues that are important for the proper settlement of the case. The Court received answers that extremism - it is specific actions listed in the law, and that the management center and more than 300 local religious organizations such actions did not commit.But the judgment and the court ruled for some reason just the opposite - to recognize all 396 extremist organizations and to eliminate them. "How is it that a respected court? - exclaims Zhenkov.- Would you like the college, this should not cause problems? If there is no extremist activities, then for that to recognize the extremist ?!   13:04Little wife, "If the Administrative Center did not commit extremist acts, we have a representative of the Ministry of Justice to sort things out in court and whether each of the 395 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia committed extremist actions? The answer is the Ministry of Justice was limited to the fact that only in respect of 10 of them are court decisions, and in the other there is no such data. A natural question: if the court has not been established that the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and at least 385 local religious organizations, committed any extremist actions, why the court found them extremist and liquidated? ". 12:58After finishing the report, the court of the defendant offers to give his explanation. The first lawyer speaks little wife. Zhenkova first thesis is that the court decision does not have evidence of extremist activity of the Administrative Center. Little wife quotes from the protocol of the trial court. The court: "What is confirmed that the organization carried out extremist activity?". Ministry of Justice: "A religious organization has not taken any effective measures to curb this activity ...". The Court also figured in the administrative claimant, whether the adoption of insufficient measures may, or even inaction be a sign of extremism? The Ministry of Justice with reference to the law had to admit - not extremism can only be deliberate actions.   12:15The court announces a break in the meeting on a motion.12:25After returning from the deliberation room, the court refuses to satisfy all the stated applications.12:30Manohina judge begins its essence.12:45Having set out the arguments of the claim, the position of the defendant, the court tells the essence of the decision rendered April 20, 2017.12:51The Court proceeds to paraphrase the appeal filed on behalf of a religious organization.   12:07Since there are no more requests, the Court invited the representative of the Ministry of Justice to express their opinion. The representative of the Ministry of Justice objected to the adjournment proceedings against the video, against the questioning of witnesses - victims of political repression citizens. In addition, the Ministry of Justice against fraud questioning witnesses against the taking of evidence from the courts. The representative of the Ministry of Justice believes that the petition aimed at the revision entered into force court decisions that, in his opinion, it is inadmissible. Video from the fact of violation of citizens' rights representative of the Ministry of Justice considers neotnosimym proof.   12:03Participation by linguists is necessary because the accusations of extremism imposed on Jehovah's Witnesses - are not taken from real life or set of offenses, but only vyuzheny of their liturgical texts. text analysis takes just linguists.12:04Little wife says another application - for the admission of new evidence. We are talking about events that took place after the decision of 20 April, - acts of vandalism and other offenses, provoked by the decision. These events appear in a video, and the little wife petitions for their viewing in the courtroom.   11:59Not allowed previous petitions, the court offers Zhenkovu lawyer read out his application.12:00Little wife seeks interrogation experts (theologians, linguists). The court of first instance court wrongly denied this. Meanwhile, experts explain the need for a legitimate and reasonable solutions. Thus, in the field of religious studies expert could clarify specific concepts of Christianity, which are used in the charter of a religious organization, as well as how the stated goals and objectives of the Jehovah's Witnesses implemented them in practice. Importantly, the theologian could clarify whether the inherent belief in the truth of their religion only to Jehovah's Witnesses, or is it a characteristic of any religion.   11:55Continuing to talk about the need for the taking of evidence, counsel recalls that under the new clause in the law on combating extremist activity the Bible and quotes from it can not be recognized as extremist materials. Call for evidence, the court can make sure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses is always based on the Bible, it encourages people to love God and to love one's neighbor, and strengthens faith in the Bible. This all means that the Jehovah's Witnesses literature recognized as "extremist" by mistake and in any case can not serve as a basis for the prohibition of an entire religion, in which hundreds of thousands of adherents in Russia.   11:50Lawyer Omelchenko reminded that the law requires the court to examine all the evidence directly. For example, given the seriousness of the case for freedom of religion throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court should immediately investigate on what grounds was a Jehovah's Witness literature as extremist, and whether these are sufficient grounds to meet the requirements of the Ministry of Justice of Russia. Court could ensure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses are no signs of incitement to hatred or enmity in the form in which they identified the Plenum of the Supreme Court in its judgment of 28 June 2011. Another has not set any court! (Under the excitation of hatred and enmity, according to the Plenum, implied statements justifying the genocide, repression, deportations, the use of violence against members of any nation, race or religion. As the Plenum, even criticism of religious beliefs or religious practices should not be seen as extremism.)   11:45The lawyer says Omelchenko extensive petition for the recovery of evidence the courts relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in an attempt to prove the "extremism" Jehovah's Witnesses. A similar petition was stated in the trial court, but the court denied his satisfaction. Therefore, the defendant requests that the Court of Appeal nevertheless reclaim materials from the ships are Jehovah's Witnesses, who were recognized as "extremist". After all, court decisions on their own are not prejudicial to the case, such as the Court of First Instance found, in view of the fact that the Administrative Center has not participated in the review.   11:31Novakov representative said the request for the examination of witnesses planted of extremist literature and other fraud, organized or used by law enforcement agencies, according to the cases relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in its lawsuit. Witnesses were in the courtroom and are willing to testify.11:40Novakov said that four witnesses were in the courtroom. The Court, without prejudging definitions of file petitions and asks, is there any other application. Novakov seeks to call in the courtroom another 53 witnesses fraud.   11:28The lawyer Lew continues to apply for the examination of witnesses Pavla Bezhenarya and Anatoliya Yasinskogo. They are recognized as victims of political repression as Jehovah's Witnesses. They know that the prohibition of religious organizations is harsh and unfounded persecution of believers of the religion. Thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in April 1951 lost their property and were sent in cattle cars from the western regions of the USSR into permanent exile in Siberia, and later they were subjected to searches, confiscation of religious literature, discrimination and imprisonment because live by the Bible's commandments. Bejenaru, for example, known information about that in 1951 he and his family were expelled from Moldova to Tomsk region. Later he was twice convicted and spent 8 years in prison on the grounds that followed Christ's command: "Put your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Because of discrimination it six times had to relocate. In 1982, he was faced with the search and seizure of religious literature. Having recognized these people as victims of political repression, the government condemned the "years of terror unleashed by the Bolshevik Party and the Soviet regime against the clergy and the faithful of all religions" and committed itself to "ensure real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights." In fact, the government has promised to make sure that does not happen that with which they are faced.   11:22Omelchenko said the lawyer request for interrogation as witnesses of rehabilitated citizens who are Jehovah's Witnesses. The Court of First Instance rejected in their interrogation. Contrary to his promise, the court did not examine the right degree circumstances of political repression against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, for example, ignored the question, what actions of public authorities have already been recognized by political repression, and did not check whether to continue these acts committed against Witness Jehovah now. why the lawyer asked to postpone this hearing to determine the participants of the Whole proceedings on appeal against the decision. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transponder is lawyer Yuriy Toporov. The composition of the Judicial Board - Manohina judge Galina (chairman), Zaytsev Vladimir Yurevich Vladimir V. Popov. None of the parties is to state the reasons for someone to judge the challenge.11:17After the introductory words of the lawyer Omelchenko said motion to postpone consideration of the case until then, until the decision will be made by the numerous individual complaints, which have been adopted in the production of the Appeals Chamber of the Supreme Court. The lawyer explains that the decision of the court numerous complaints from individuals were filed on April 20, which substantiated the details that have been affected by the decision of their rights and interests, and thus they had to be brought to participate in the case. The fact that they did not have the opportunity to participate in the case, itself indicates that the decision should be automatically canceled. However, all these complaints were returned without any analysis of the given arguments. The Court merely stated that "the contested judicial act does not resolve the issue of their rights and responsibilities." In response, citizens filed a private complaint, however, contrary to all logic, the Court intends to consider them already after will make a final decision on the case. That's why 9:30On Moscow's Arbat District, where the Supreme Court of Russia, go dark clouds. At the entrance to the courthouse gathered a large group of citizens, their number is closer to 150. Those who stand in the queue, came to the entrance at 4am. Noticeable journalists armed with shooting equipment. Moscow police to ensure public order. 10:00To hear once again provided the largest meeting room. On the faces of the court employees solemn expression, everyone is trying to flawlessly perform their duties. In the hall I heard a discreet hum.10:05In the courtroom, sounds foreign speech: there is quite a lot of foreign observers, the majority are Jehovah's Witnesses in different countries. Also have observers who arrived at the courthouse with diplomatic plates on cars. 10:40Place an administrative claimant is empty. On the part of the defendant administration - representative of a religious organization Vasiliy Mihaylovich Kalin, lawyers Viktor Zhenkov and Anton Omelchenko, a lawyer Maksim Novakov. 10:50In the courtroom, leaning over a tablet, journalists of Russian mass media work. Place an administrative claimant takes Svetlana Konstantinovna Borisova, who represented the Ministry of Justice in the Court of First Instance.11:10The room was quiet, the parties and observers are waiting for the judges. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transpond
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    On Monday, July 17, 2017, a three-judge panel will consider the appeal of the Russian Supreme Court’s April 20 decision against Jehovah’s Witnesses. Further updates about the hearing will be provided using this new breaking news feature. Please pray for our brothers and sisters in Russia. Regardless of the outcome, we are confident that Jehovah has all matters in hand and the nations will know that he is Jehovah.–Ezekiel 38:23...

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    14:54Novakov shows the sequence of video frames trial clearly show that extremist publications of Jehovah's Witnesses had been planted. He brings to the court and other egregious evidence of falsification of evidence against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia. All these fraudulent cases are at the heart of the matter. 14:45It gives explanations to the court representative Nowak. And his first thought is that the circumstances relied upon by the Court related to administrative offenses, have no force prejudicial to the case.   14:35As an example of failure to prove the circumstances specified in the court decision, the ax quotes from the decision that the Administrative Center participated in the financing of MPO, which are recognized as extremist. This fact is to prove if the extremist nature of the Administrative Center. However, the Ministry of Justice did not provide the court (as suggested by Ax, intentionally!) Relevant contracts donations and decisions of the Administrative Center for a donation, from which it follows that the donation of funds to these organizations was carried out, first of all, a few years before the recognition of their extremist and, the second is to clearly defined objectives: the construction of buildings of worship, to the victims of natural disasters, utility payments and perform other obligations to the state. All of these contracts and decisions were transferred to the Ministry of Justice Administrative Center during the inspection, previous to applying to the court of Justice.   The third thesis presentation Toporova is that the judgment be set aside due to lack of evidence of the circumstances established by the trial court.   14:24The above-mentioned argument supports the second point Topo: the court's decision is subject to cancellation due to incorrect application of substantive law. Trying to justify the recognition of the structural units of MPO administrative defendant, for whose actions he must answer, the court made a wrong application of substantive law, to apply the law, not to be applied, namely, the laws "On Political Parties", "On Public Associations". The court gave an incorrect interpretation of the law "On Freedom of Conscience and Religious Associations" and "On Countering Extremist Activity" CAS Russian Federation, including without regard to the legal positions contained in the decisions of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the Plenum of the RF Armed Forces and the Presidium of the Russian Supreme Court.   14:20Conclusions The Court of First Instance contradict the entire long-term established jurisprudence of cases against local religious organizations, said Ax. As evidence, he cites the definition that the Russian Supreme Court stated in its decision of December 8, 2009: "Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and the local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog "is an autonomous organization, which is also confirmed by the adoption of the cassation instance court evidence, including a diagram of the structure of Jehovah's Witnesses" Taganrog ". The question of the rights and duties of the Administrative Center of the Regional Court in considering the above statement the prosecutor of the Rostov region is not resolved, the decision of the Rostov Regional Court on September 11, 2009 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses "Taganrog" was recognized as extremist and eliminated. " In this case, this court ruling is prejudicial to the present case, as it was handed down by the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in respect of the administrative defendant. It establishes the fact that the liquidation of the local religious organization, part of the structure of the Administrative Center shall not affect the rights and obligations of the latter, since this local religious associations and the Administrative Center are independent organizations. The Court of First Instance ignored the evidence that led to the incorrect use of their sub   13:56Turn to give an explanation becomes representative Toporov. The first thesis of his speech focused on Article 310 of the CAS Code, under which "the decision of the trial court shall be subject to unconditional cancellation in case the court decides on the rights and obligations of persons not involved in the administrative case."14:00Court decision eliminated the religious organization "Jehovah's Witnesses Administrative Center in Russia" and included in its structure of local religious organizations. All these local religious organizations are clearly listed in the decision of the court of first instance, and that the transfer takes half of the text of all decisions. However, to participate in the court of the 395 organizations involved were not.   13:55On the other hand, due to the decision of the court themselves believers are subjected to a substantial violation of their rights. Little wife gives various facts to prove it. For example, the fact of refusal believers to replace military service with alternative civilian service on the basis of a court decision. Concluding his speech, little wife attached to the case copies of the minutes and agendas of the draft commissions from the recruiting office.   "And what threat to state or public are we talking about if even the President himself awarded JWs on May 31 in Kremlin?" Check and CHECKMATE   13:52"But, dear court, let's look at the facts and see someone who threatens someone who hurts, - he says Zhenkov.- it was found that over the 26 years of the official activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia has not suffered any damage to the state in the first instance court nor morality in society. No acts of vandalism on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses, there is no violence. So that there is violence, not even acts of protest! It turns out that the threat of a court wrote in its decision, is imaginary, far-fetched. If it was real, then for 26 years of official existence in Russia and 100 years of unofficial, it would be true. But the court's decision does not contain any evidence of harm from their activities. What kind of threat to society and the state can be a question if recently as May 31, 2017, Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin presents the Order of "Parental Glory" family of Jehovah's Witnesses? "   13:50Fourth thesis Zhenkova - the disparity of the court decision. Little wife quotes from the court's decision: "Contrary to the arguments of opposition organizations such interference is proportionate and necessary ... as it ensures the removal of rights violations, freedoms and legitimate interests of an indefinite number of persons, the real threat of harm to the individual, to public health, public order, public security, public and the state. "   13:45Little wife draws attention to the fact that the Administrative Center has been denied participation in court cases on the recognition of printed materials as extremist. In some cases, the believers do not even know, and what did this or that book as extremist because the court held that Jehovah's Witnesses were innocent. The same position has consistently held and the Supreme Court of Russia, with the result that the Administrative Center had no right to participate in, nor cause his arguments to the court or to appeal against the court decision. And now the court of first instance for some reason, to apply the opposite approach. Now, the Court considers that on the basis of these decisions Administrative Center can be eliminated. "Dear Court - little wife says - you have the opportunity to correct this injustice. The Supreme Court it is important to be consistent, he's a model for all Russian courts. "   13:30Little wife quotes from the Ministry of Justice of the document: "The recognition of information materials confessional Jehovah's Witnesses extremist ... confirms ... the fact of the presence in them prohibitively offensive from the point of view of the Russian Federation methods conviction expression of the truth of their religious beliefs, and in this case not even the truth of beliefs, and in the interpretation of the precepts contained in the Bible. " This characteristic does not correspond to reality. Little wife draws attention to the fact that the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses publications "extremist" were found eight years ago. And at that time there was still no decision number 11 of the Plenum of the Supreme Court, which were explained that the courts should be understood as hate speech or hate. Until 2011, some courts have mistakenly believed that if Jehovah's Witnesses religion is called in the literature the only true, it's a sign of incitement to hatred, as an insult to other religions. And if in the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Trinity - this is not a biblical doctrine, that such an interpretation of the Bible even more, according to some judges, aroused hatred. But that was before 2011, until the Supreme Court did not explain that the criticism of religious associations, religious beliefs, religious practices should not be regarded as an act aimed at inciting hatred or enmity. It took years to get all finally realized that conside   13:20The third thesis Zhenkova: Court of First Instance incorrectly defined the circumstances relevant for administrative affairs. Little wife lists a number of examples.   13:15Zhenkova second thesis is that the findings of the trial court is not appropriate in the circumstances of the administrative case. For example, in the court decision states: "As follows from the case for the past seven years annually required by law to establish the facts of extremist activities of the Organization ..." However, the court found the exact opposite. Lawyer little wife: "Administrative plaintiff in the court acknowledged that the facts have not been established in the actions directly Administrative Center of extremist activities, and the court says - installed."   13:10Little wife gives an example. He says that in the trial we found that in the Crimea of Jehovah's Witnesses for decades peacefully exercising their religious activities. Once on the territory of Russia and performing Russian law, Jehovah's Witnesses in Crimea asked Russian Ministry of Justice to register their 22 local religious organizations. And the Ministry of Justice, recognizing the legitimacy of their existence and the validity of their beliefs, in 2015, to register them. Thus, the state has recognized that on the peninsula of Crimea is possible to believe in Jehovah God, and why religion called Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to legally exist and operate. And what's next? Less than two years later without establishing their actions signs of extremism, but on the orders of the General Prosecutor's Office, the same Ministry of Justice, which is to register them, appealed to the court to recognize their extremist organizations, and to take away from them all their possessions. And the Supreme Court even without the participation of these entities announced their extremist and liquidated, and allow them to take away all the property. "In this regard, there are questions both legal and universal - says little wife: - What a believer in the Crimea is the punishment? For what specific actions? Answers to these questions in the judgment no. But does such a decision may be legal? "   13:08From the transcript of the hearing shows that the trial court asked plaintiff clear legal issues that are important for the proper settlement of the case. The Court received answers that extremism - it is specific actions listed in the law, and that the management center and more than 300 local religious organizations such actions did not commit.But the judgment and the court ruled for some reason just the opposite - to recognize all 396 extremist organizations and to eliminate them. "How is it that a respected court? - exclaims Zhenkov.- Would you like the college, this should not cause problems? If there is no extremist activities, then for that to recognize the extremist ?!   13:04Little wife, "If the Administrative Center did not commit extremist acts, we have a representative of the Ministry of Justice to sort things out in court and whether each of the 395 local religious organization of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia committed extremist actions? The answer is the Ministry of Justice was limited to the fact that only in respect of 10 of them are court decisions, and in the other there is no such data. A natural question: if the court has not been established that the Administrative Center of Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia and at least 385 local religious organizations, committed any extremist actions, why the court found them extremist and liquidated? ". 12:58After finishing the report, the court of the defendant offers to give his explanation. The first lawyer speaks little wife. Zhenkova first thesis is that the court decision does not have evidence of extremist activity of the Administrative Center. Little wife quotes from the protocol of the trial court. The court: "What is confirmed that the organization carried out extremist activity?". Ministry of Justice: "A religious organization has not taken any effective measures to curb this activity ...". The Court also figured in the administrative claimant, whether the adoption of insufficient measures may, or even inaction be a sign of extremism? The Ministry of Justice with reference to the law had to admit - not extremism can only be deliberate actions.   12:15The court announces a break in the meeting on a motion.12:25After returning from the deliberation room, the court refuses to satisfy all the stated applications.12:30Manohina judge begins its essence.12:45Having set out the arguments of the claim, the position of the defendant, the court tells the essence of the decision rendered April 20, 2017.12:51The Court proceeds to paraphrase the appeal filed on behalf of a religious organization.   12:07Since there are no more requests, the Court invited the representative of the Ministry of Justice to express their opinion. The representative of the Ministry of Justice objected to the adjournment proceedings against the video, against the questioning of witnesses - victims of political repression citizens. In addition, the Ministry of Justice against fraud questioning witnesses against the taking of evidence from the courts. The representative of the Ministry of Justice believes that the petition aimed at the revision entered into force court decisions that, in his opinion, it is inadmissible. Video from the fact of violation of citizens' rights representative of the Ministry of Justice considers neotnosimym proof.   12:03Participation by linguists is necessary because the accusations of extremism imposed on Jehovah's Witnesses - are not taken from real life or set of offenses, but only vyuzheny of their liturgical texts. text analysis takes just linguists.12:04Little wife says another application - for the admission of new evidence. We are talking about events that took place after the decision of 20 April, - acts of vandalism and other offenses, provoked by the decision. These events appear in a video, and the little wife petitions for their viewing in the courtroom.   11:59Not allowed previous petitions, the court offers Zhenkovu lawyer read out his application.12:00Little wife seeks interrogation experts (theologians, linguists). The court of first instance court wrongly denied this. Meanwhile, experts explain the need for a legitimate and reasonable solutions. Thus, in the field of religious studies expert could clarify specific concepts of Christianity, which are used in the charter of a religious organization, as well as how the stated goals and objectives of the Jehovah's Witnesses implemented them in practice. Importantly, the theologian could clarify whether the inherent belief in the truth of their religion only to Jehovah's Witnesses, or is it a characteristic of any religion.   11:55Continuing to talk about the need for the taking of evidence, counsel recalls that under the new clause in the law on combating extremist activity the Bible and quotes from it can not be recognized as extremist materials. Call for evidence, the court can make sure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses is always based on the Bible, it encourages people to love God and to love one's neighbor, and strengthens faith in the Bible. This all means that the Jehovah's Witnesses literature recognized as "extremist" by mistake and in any case can not serve as a basis for the prohibition of an entire religion, in which hundreds of thousands of adherents in Russia.   11:50Lawyer Omelchenko reminded that the law requires the court to examine all the evidence directly. For example, given the seriousness of the case for freedom of religion throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Court should immediately investigate on what grounds was a Jehovah's Witness literature as extremist, and whether these are sufficient grounds to meet the requirements of the Ministry of Justice of Russia. Court could ensure that the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses are no signs of incitement to hatred or enmity in the form in which they identified the Plenum of the Supreme Court in its judgment of 28 June 2011. Another has not set any court! (Under the excitation of hatred and enmity, according to the Plenum, implied statements justifying the genocide, repression, deportations, the use of violence against members of any nation, race or religion. As the Plenum, even criticism of religious beliefs or religious practices should not be seen as extremism.)   11:45The lawyer says Omelchenko extensive petition for the recovery of evidence the courts relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in an attempt to prove the "extremism" Jehovah's Witnesses. A similar petition was stated in the trial court, but the court denied his satisfaction. Therefore, the defendant requests that the Court of Appeal nevertheless reclaim materials from the ships are Jehovah's Witnesses, who were recognized as "extremist". After all, court decisions on their own are not prejudicial to the case, such as the Court of First Instance found, in view of the fact that the Administrative Center has not participated in the review.   11:31Novakov representative said the request for the examination of witnesses planted of extremist literature and other fraud, organized or used by law enforcement agencies, according to the cases relied upon by the Ministry of Justice in its lawsuit. Witnesses were in the courtroom and are willing to testify.11:40Novakov said that four witnesses were in the courtroom. The Court, without prejudging definitions of file petitions and asks, is there any other application. Novakov seeks to call in the courtroom another 53 witnesses fraud.   11:28The lawyer Lew continues to apply for the examination of witnesses Pavla Bezhenarya and Anatoliya Yasinskogo. They are recognized as victims of political repression as Jehovah's Witnesses. They know that the prohibition of religious organizations is harsh and unfounded persecution of believers of the religion. Thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses in April 1951 lost their property and were sent in cattle cars from the western regions of the USSR into permanent exile in Siberia, and later they were subjected to searches, confiscation of religious literature, discrimination and imprisonment because live by the Bible's commandments. Bejenaru, for example, known information about that in 1951 he and his family were expelled from Moldova to Tomsk region. Later he was twice convicted and spent 8 years in prison on the grounds that followed Christ's command: "Put your sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Because of discrimination it six times had to relocate. In 1982, he was faced with the search and seizure of religious literature. Having recognized these people as victims of political repression, the government condemned the "years of terror unleashed by the Bolshevik Party and the Soviet regime against the clergy and the faithful of all religions" and committed itself to "ensure real guarantees of the rule of law and human rights." In fact, the government has promised to make sure that does not happen that with which they are faced.   11:22Omelchenko said the lawyer request for interrogation as witnesses of rehabilitated citizens who are Jehovah's Witnesses. The Court of First Instance rejected in their interrogation. Contrary to his promise, the court did not examine the right degree circumstances of political repression against Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia, for example, ignored the question, what actions of public authorities have already been recognized by political repression, and did not check whether to continue these acts committed against Witness Jehovah now. why the lawyer asked to postpone this hearing to determine the participants of the Whole proceedings on appeal against the decision. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transponder is lawyer Yuriy Toporov. The composition of the Judicial Board - Manohina judge Galina (chairman), Zaytsev Vladimir Yurevich Vladimir V. Popov. None of the parties is to state the reasons for someone to judge the challenge.11:17After the introductory words of the lawyer Omelchenko said motion to postpone consideration of the case until then, until the decision will be made by the numerous individual complaints, which have been adopted in the production of the Appeals Chamber of the Supreme Court. The lawyer explains that the decision of the court numerous complaints from individuals were filed on April 20, which substantiated the details that have been affected by the decision of their rights and interests, and thus they had to be brought to participate in the case. The fact that they did not have the opportunity to participate in the case, itself indicates that the decision should be automatically canceled. However, all these complaints were returned without any analysis of the given arguments. The Court merely stated that "the contested judicial act does not resolve the issue of their rights and responsibilities." In response, citizens filed a private complaint, however, contrary to all logic, the Court intends to consider them already after will make a final decision on the case. That's why 9:30On Moscow's Arbat District, where the Supreme Court of Russia, go dark clouds. At the entrance to the courthouse gathered a large group of citizens, their number is closer to 150. Those who stand in the queue, came to the entrance at 4am. Noticeable journalists armed with shooting equipment. Moscow police to ensure public order. 10:00To hear once again provided the largest meeting room. On the faces of the court employees solemn expression, everyone is trying to flawlessly perform their duties. In the hall I heard a discreet hum.10:05In the courtroom, sounds foreign speech: there is quite a lot of foreign observers, the majority are Jehovah's Witnesses in different countries. Also have observers who arrived at the courthouse with diplomatic plates on cars. 10:40Place an administrative claimant is empty. On the part of the defendant administration - representative of a religious organization Vasiliy Mihaylovich Kalin, lawyers Viktor Zhenkov and Anton Omelchenko, a lawyer Maksim Novakov. 10:50In the courtroom, leaning over a tablet, journalists of Russian mass media work. Place an administrative claimant takes Svetlana Konstantinovna Borisova, who represented the Ministry of Justice in the Court of First Instance.11:10The room was quiet, the parties and observers are waiting for the judges. 11:11The room is composed of judges who will hear the case. Declaring the case, they establish who is party. Besides Viburnum Zhenkova, Lew and Novakova side administrative transpond
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    The Librarian reacted to Queen Esther in JW.org Opera   
    First  time,  I  heard  our  KD  song  No. 91  "in  Opera"...   not  bad !
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    The Librarian reacted to JW Insider in NOAH! – The END OF THE WORLD – IS NOT COMING! WHAT IS RAIN?   
    Although we can be sure that Noah would have been required to explain to many persons why he was building such a huge boat, we shouldn't try to make Jesus say something in Matthew 24 that Jesus never said. Jesus never said that Noah warned anyone about the coming flood. The Bible never says that he warned people about a coming flood. So why do we add the idea that Noah WARNED them? 
    It's true that some people might get the idea from the way in which the NWT adds the words "took no note:"
    (Matthew 24:39) and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.
    But these words are not in the original Greek, so we shouldn't try to make them imply something that the Bible doesn't say. Below are all the translations, for example, that are provided at blueletterbible.org: https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/24/36/t_bibles_953039
    So even if there was some preaching about God's righteousness (2 Peter 2:5), which could have been through Noah's example (as implied in Hebrews 11:7), rather than any kind of warning campaign, Jesus was not making any point about a warning, because he had just spent the entire previous part of the chapter saying that there would be no warning. The disciples wanted a warning sign about the judgment event on Jerusalem and Jesus said that there would be no advance warning sign, otherwise how could the parousia come as a thief in the night. So what Jesus says about Noah, should fit what he says about the way the parousia (judgment event) came upon the generation of Noah's day.
    KJV And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. © Info
    NKJV “and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. © Info
    NLT People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes. © Info
    NIV and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. © Info
    ESV and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. © Info
    HCSB They didn’t know until the flood came and swept them all away. So this is the way the coming of the Son of Man will be:
    © Info
    RVR60 y no entendieron hasta que vino el diluvio y se los llevó a todos, así será también la venida del Hijo del Hombre. © Info
    NASB and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. © Info
    NET And they knew nothing until the flood came and took them all away. It will be the same at the coming of the Son of Man. © Info
    RSV and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. © Info
    ASV and they knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall be the coming of the Son of man. © Info
    YLT and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence of the Son of Man. © Info
    DBY and they knew not till the flood came and took all away; thus also shall be the coming of the Son of man. © Info
    WEB And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away: so also will be the coming of the Son of man. © Info
    HNV and they didn't know until the flood came, and took them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. © Info
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    The Librarian reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in What is a Christian Man's MORAL responsibility to protect his own life, or that of his immediate or spiritual family?   
    It seems to me that all real Men will recognize the responsibility they have to their Families .... physical and spiritual, to take care of them.
    That includes, food, clothing, shelter, education and many other things... including defending them from harm, and even death.
    The only question remains is this ....
    CAN YOU ACTUALLY PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILIES' DEFENSE, WITHOUT THE NECESSARY TOOLS TO PROVIDE FOR A COMPETENT DEFENSE?
    For those in Rio Linda ... the answer is NO.
    Standing in harms way with good intentions, and becoming the first victim ... is no defense at all.
    THERE ARE SO many MALES ...SO VERY FEW men.
    MEN have MANY self evident moral obligations ... otherwise we are just drones with male plumbing.
    ... an incompetent defense ...is NO DEFENSE AT ALL!
    IN ORDER TO BE A THEOCRATIC MAN ... FIRST YOU HAVE TO BE A MAN!
     
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    The Librarian reacted to Queen Esther in Judge orders blood transfusion for a Jehovah's Witness child   
    Judge orders blood transfusion to small Jehovah's Witness
    In reviewing the rights of freedom, belief and religion with the human right to life, federal judge orders a child suffering from leukemia to receive a blood transfusion once the treatments have been exhausted Alternative doctors, by virtue of which Jehovah's Witnesses religion professes.
    Judge Mauricio Fernández de la Mora, head of the Eighth District Court in the State of Chihuahua, granted protection to a Rarámuri woman who professes the Jehovah's Witnesses religion, so that blood can be transfused to her five-year-old daughter. Age, affected by leukemia, as long as other means or alternative treatments have been exhausted, such as those proposed by various doctors, including oncologists at the Cancer Center of Chihuahua.
    The judgment reviewed the fundamental right to freedom of belief and religion, as well as the rights to a second opinion, informed consent and decision-making regarding medical treatments; However, due to the lack of maturity of the girl to understand the scope of the medical act on her health, the right to life was privileged; So that if necessary, doctors were authorized to perform the necessary treatments to protect the child's life, including blood transfusion  ;-(

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    The Librarian reacted to Arauna in Judge orders blood transfusion for a Jehovah's Witness child   
    It is a pity we will not see the long-term outworking of this decision because the blood transfusions keep them alive for a while only...There are some kinds of leukemia which needs a bone marrow transplant.... the patient does not survive without it.
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    The Librarian reacted to bruceq in Jehovah's Witnesses brace for court decision   
    "GOD SIMPLY HASN'T GIVEN UP YET." FOUR DAYS UNTIL THE BAN OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IN RUSSIA
    Will they change methods of ministry, violate the law, or all emigrate?
    Novaya Gazeta, 13 July 2017
     
    On 20 April the Russian Supreme Court found the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to be extremist and prohibited its activity in our country. (An appeal of this decision was filed and it has not taken legal effect.) The Ministry of Justice discovered "violations of the charter goals of the organization and of current legislation in the RF," in particular, violation of the federal law "On combating extremist activity." The religious literature of the Witnesses (brochures, booklets, magazines Watchtower" and "Awake," etc.) have also been found to be extremist and their distribution has been prohibited. The property of the organization and of 396 Kingdom Halls (including the enormous complex of the headquarters of the Russian affiliate, "Administrative Center," in St. Petersburg) by the decision of the court will go to the benefit of the government.
     
    On Monday, 17 July, the Supreme Court will consider an appellate complaint of the Jehovah's Witnesses.
     
    And on 13 July, the Levada Center published a survey according to which 79% of Russians support the ban on Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia.
    * * * * *
    "For Easter, Mama always colored eggs, but why she did this, she could not explain." Marina is setting the table; she is preparing for the arrival of fellow believers. "I rummaged through a slew of literature, I studied up on the Law of God, but I did not find anything about eggs there. I tried to find a Bible to read. In the early 90s, the father of one of my pupils worked in a publishing house and he gave it to me. I began to read—nothing about eggs, but there were prophecies and a bunch of names and I did not understand anything at all. And then Witnesses knocked at our door. They suggested studying the Bible. My husband and I agreed. And then even Katya became interested."
     
    Marina's husband, Katya's father, died several years ago. "I used to be afraid of the dead with a beastly fear. When my grandmother died, I was not able to go to her grave. I was 30 years old but I believed that she would jump out and grab me," Marina describes while her daughter laughs. "Now this is funny. After all the Bible says that the dead are in an unconscious condition and they cannot help nor harm. So that when my husband died there was not such a pain of loss that many talk about. And now there isn't. I have the feeling that he has simply gone off and some day he will return."
     
    After the closing of the Kingdom Halls, mass meetings of believers gave way to house gatherings with tea. They converse and discuss the Bible. Many continue to witness on the street. "Once they took us to the Arbat department of internal affairs and the major began saying: 'Go to the Garden Ring; why are you walking in my precinct?' I showed him the verse from the Bible where Jesus says that it is necessary to go and proclaim. The major responded to me with understanding: 'Well, you have a task.' After this we even began communicating with them. Liuda once brought them magazines and they laid them out in the police department. Perhaps they were read, or not, but they leafed through them willingly," Evgeny recalls.
     
    By order of the court, the Witnesses must transfer their buildings to the state. The principal Moscow Kingdom Hall is located on Mikhalkov Street. By their own hands the Witnesses transformed it from a palace of culture to a building for services. They laid tiles themselves, painted the walls, upholstered the seating, and hired an electrician.
     
    "I was a happy young man, but there was no sense of fulfillment. There was a feeling that everything was somehow incomplete. You feel it especially in the army. After meeting Liudmila, a real life of 'pilgrims' began. We traveled about the country and we witnessed. We even lived in Chechnya—that's where it was really hard."
     
    Concerning the upcoming appeal of 17 July, Liudmila and Evgeny speak with hope: "Even if the decision is not changed, there still is the European court. We do not want to leave the country because of the ban. We love Russia. We love the Russian language. We love these people."
     
    A photograph of her husband stands next to a computer in the living room. When Witnesses visit Marina it's as if he really is with them as before. "When I began studying the Bible, I read that a wife must submit to her husband. I thought: 'Pshaw!' I was brought up like the center of the universe." Katya adds: "That's Mama completely. Robust to the core!" "I had to break myself very much," Marina admits. "And I now greatly regret one thing—that I came to know the Bible very late. That way the first marriage could have been saved. This one was already the third. I was like—I don't like it, to hell with it. This one also would have gone to hell if it were not for the Witnesses."
     
    Over tea and pizza the believers discuss the history of the organization. They recall Eleanor Roosevelt, who acted for the persecuted Witnesses, and they hope that on 17 July the judges will make a different decision. Katya does not believe in defeat: "If everything now happens thus, it means that it is necessary to God, and God has no losses. If it seems to you that he is losing, that means that he simply has not yet given up."
     
    "They have lived with me for eleven years now. I in one room and they in the other," Valya explains. She struggles to keep her feet, but she firmly rejects help. "I will make it myself. I am falling apart, but I will make it!"
     
    "If it were not for Liuda, I would not be able to keep such cleanliness. She both keeps house and cooks every day. It is good for me with them," Valya comments on her fellow believers with warmth. As a former science worker, she speaks about the Bible as almost a scientific achievement. For her, everything there is logical and consistent. And it is also like a detective novel—truly fascinating reading for every day. After the ban on printed literature, Valentina again mastered the computer.
     
    "My girlfriend now lives in New Zealand. She also is a Witness. There they are simply in shock from what has happened," Valya returns to 20 April. "They are supporting and praying and believing that justice will triumph."
     
    "They called us extremists and in the minds of the majority of people we are equated with terrorists," Valentina's friend says.
     
    "I have faced open aggression on religious grounds," Veronika describes. "A year ago, on 8 March, I was witnessing, going about apartments and inviting everybody to our holiday, the Evening of Memory of the Death of Jesus Christ (the only religious holiday that Witnesses observe—ed.). I was with my partner. While I was talking with a young man on the stairway, a drunk woman came out of the door across the way. She began to curse. I tried to leave then but she began cursing in God's name. I asked her to stop, but she kicked me on the rear, and she pushed me, and I flew down the stairway. She flew after me and grabbed me by the hair. My partner tried to call the police, but she did not make a connection in the entryway. She tried to call to apartments and asked for help, but everybody refused. And then the woman called to a guy: "I caught a sectarian. Come in, I have a gun under the icons in the cupboard."
     
    My partner's husband came. He also separated us. Then the police took us to the precinct and there this woman wrote out a statement, that I broke into her apartment and wanted to rob her."
     
    Veronika has survived this situation so far. It was then that she, for the first time, began to think about moving to another country. One other factor was the decision of the court in April. "It's scary to live in this country. Here a decent and law-abiding person can be placed in a different light and put in jail. It is one thing to be jailed for a crime; it is another when you are framed. And I have already experienced this myself. That woman then wrote something completely different in her statement."
     
    For now, Veronika is only thinking about the possibility of moving. However some Witnesses even with tourist visas are now being refused by receiving countries. One married couple was not able to leave for the U.S.A. In an interview it was learned that they were going to America on the basis of religious convictions. Another was denied a Schengen visa when they tried to exit for a congress of Witnesses in Finland.
     
    "Before the wedding, baptized Witnesses may not have intimate relations," Yura explains. "That is, take a walk, go on dates, even kiss, but without physical intimacy."
     
    Sasha has her own group "Ameli na meli." They often perform on the summer terasses of popular Moscow cafes. Yura is a journalist. He found Sasha on social networks and he followed her productions for a long time.
     
    "I thought that since she is a singer then she obviously does not observe all biblical rules," Sasha's husband jokes. "I was mistaken."
     
    The young people learned about the court's 20 April decision from the Internet. "It was the same as if you heard news about a terrible criminal and you would stand and your heart stops when you hear about him—and then there appears on the TV screen your photograph," Sasha says.
     
    Sasha and Yury have been together since 2012 and they married in 2014. While living together for two creative people, each with their own cockroaches, in their opinion it helps to study the Bible. In the evenings they read. There are two Bibles on their bookshelf, beside Bradbury and Strugatsky.
     
    Evgeny: "In Russia now the image of Witnesses is being demonized. Previously they also dreamed up for us many different names: enemy of the people, sectarian, spy, and now the fashionable word is 'extremist.'"
     
    "Witnesses do not bear arms nor participate in wars and rallies. We will struggle by purely legal methods," Evgeny explains, and he adds: "I do not understand why they are banning us. But it seems to me that those who are banning also do not know the answer."
     
    "I once read that Jesus said: 'Go and speak about me,' and that upset me so much," Evgeny jokes. "Well I did not want to go up to anybody and converse with anybody. That was hard for me, but now it is a given."  (tr. by PDS, posted 13 July 2017)
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    The Librarian reacted to Bible Speaks in NOAH! – The END OF THE WORLD – IS NOT COMING! WHAT IS RAIN?   
    "What? You think the end of the world is going to come, Noah?
    ??????
    What a fool you are. We have never had a (flood?) or (rain?) before and our city walls could never be taken down by (water?).
    You and your small group of preachers bashers are wasting your time coming round knocking on our doors week after week warning of an upcoming divine judgement, now go away and don't call again!
    ??????????
    Now we shall eat, drink and be merry. Goodbye!" ??????????
    "“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. FOR JUST AS THE DAYS OF NOAH WERE, SO THE PRESENCE OF THE SON OF MAN WILL BE. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." (Matthew 24:36-39)

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    The Librarian reacted to Queen Esther in NOAH! – The END OF THE WORLD – IS NOT COMING! WHAT IS RAIN?   
    THEY  HAD  40 YEARS  FOR  THINKING  ABOUT....   MORE  THAN  ENOUGH !!
    PEOPLE  NOT  CHANGING.....  ITS  THE  SAME  JUST  IN  OUR  CURRENT  TIME People  NOT  want  hear  of  Jehovah's  Kingdom  and  everlasting  life !
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    The Librarian reacted to David Normand in NOAH! – The END OF THE WORLD – IS NOT COMING! WHAT IS RAIN?   
    Notice what the people in Noah's day were doing: eating, drinking, marrying, planting, harvesting. Just ordinary everyday occurrences. What condemned them was they were so busy doing these things they failed to take note of God's warning and as such were swept up in the judgment. 
    Same will be at the end of this system. 
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    The Librarian got a reaction from Daniel J Zorawicki in Thomas T. "TVA" Van Aulen   
    Thomas T. "TVA" Van Aulen, born on September 12, 1949 in Lancaster, PA, fell asleep in death on Saturday, July 8, 2017, at the age of 67. He showed faith, courage, and endurance through his years living with cancer.
    Tom was a loving husband to and is survived by his wife, Dottie (Wiley), and they recently marked 44 years of marriage. He is also survived by a daughter, Amanda Stauffer (Michael), son Justin Van Aulen (Leah), and grandson Joshua Van Aulen. He was preceded in death by his parents Daniel W. and Jenny (Pizzola) Van Aulen.
    Tom graduated from Penn Manor High School and was employed in the office machine and technology field for most of his working life, spending nearly 30 years with G.E. Richards, Inc in Lancaster, and ending with his retirement from Fraser Information Systems in 2014. His love for new technology and to learn new skills helped him transition into the computer and internet era with ease. His enthusiasm for engineering, electronics, and computers was well-known, and Tom greatly enjoyed the field of full scale aviation. Because of this, he spent time building and flying model aircraft and enjoyed model cars and trucks with his son and grandson. He was delighted when his grandson, Joshua, was born in 2015. They spent many happy times together playing with Matchbox cars. Tom and Dottie also enjoyed showing hospitality in their home to many friends and family.
    Tom enjoyed having conversations with friends and strangers alike, and was quick to offer a helping hand. More importantly, his love for God and neighbor moved him to share the Bible's message publicly as one of Jehovah's Witnesses for nearly 60 years. He served as an elder in the Fruitville Pike congregation up until his death, and volunteered on construction sites to build houses of worship for nearly 15 years. Tom held dear the Bible's promise of a resurrection on a paradise earth and wanted to share that hope with many.
    The family would like to thank the Cancer Center chemotherapy nurses and the kind assistance of Hospice & Community Care.
    A memorial service will be held on Saturday, July 22, 2017 at 3 p.m. at the Fruitville Pike Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses, 921 Fruitville Pike, Lititz, PA, 17543. To leave an online condolence for the family please visit: www.CremationLancasterPA.com (717) 273-6283
    http://lancasteronline.com/obituaries/thomas-t-tva-van-aulen/article_56fbc181-4c79-5b16-90a1-5db93b544834.html
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    The Librarian reacted to peaches60 in Antoinette Mitchell was Reinstated!!!!   
    Seems really fast. And why put this on you tube.?
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    The Librarian reacted to Raphaela Storch in Regional Convention Notebook for iPad?   
    Hi, I'm searching for a notebook for the RC Don't give up for my iPad. Do you have any ideas?
     
    Thank you
    Raphaela
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    The Librarian got a reaction from Anna in Seven friends drown after their boat capsized when they huddled in one corner to take a selfie...   
    Were none of them able to swim even for a few minutes? I can understand dying by being pulled under by a huge ship sinking...but just falling off a boat? I've jumped off of more boats than I can think of for the sheer fun of swimming.
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