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1 hour ago, Dmitar said:
Can I ask, who is judging them?
Ps 19:7-11; John 12:48; Jer 23:29
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3 hours ago, Thinking said:
Agreed!…
Christ’s followers were confused a lot of the times
Christ's disciples grew up under the old law covenant. In one day, Jesus overturned their belief system. They were gradually learning from the words of Jesus.
His words/teachings have been around for over 2,000 years. So what excuse do Wt's leaders of spiritual "Israel" have, for being so confused, evident in 150 years of ever changing doctrine? Did it take 150 years for the apostles to figure it out?
“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." John 14:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me." John 15:26
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened." Matt 7:7,8
Confusion is not how Christ teaches truth. Follow just one string of doctrine in the organization and it is evident that the doctrine's creator is confusion; which means, its leadership does not have the "Spirit of truth".
"For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints." 1 Cor 14:33
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1 hour ago, Dmitar said:
God is not a God of confusion, neither should Christ followers.
Exactly right, but the Wt. leaders are experts at creating confusing doctrines. So, Christ's followers would reject such doctrine and rely on the words already established in Jesus Christ.
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17 minutes ago, BroRando said:
Interesting you mention {like} God.
I didn't, it was the translation that did.
1 hour ago, Witness said:[C just as God would speak to people through prophets so Moses would speak to Pharaoh through Aaron]
He was God's spokesman; yes as God's representative to the people; and given divine authority.
"For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit" 2 Pet 1:21
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1 hour ago, Dmitar said:
What fellowship should I have here?
What I'm trying to say is, this forum is not an ice-cream social. Perhaps there are a few who are seeking fellowship; but surely you notice that it is battle of beliefs - of truth against lies. Jesus, the apostles, the prophets - all "associated" with people of bad character in the sense of bringing them their message.
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1 hour ago, Dmitar said:
If we associate with people of bad character, they will succeed in pulling us down to their level.
Did it happen to ANY of the prophets sent by God?
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The Lord said to Moses, “I have made you ·like God [L God] to ·the king of Egypt [L Pharaoh], and your brother Aaron will be like a prophet for you [C just as God would speak to people through prophets so Moses would speak to Pharaoh through Aaron]. Tell Aaron your brother everything that I command you, and let him tell ·the king of Egypt [L Pharaoh] to let the ·Israelites [L sons/T children of Israel] leave his ·country [land]." Exod 7:1,2
Then the Lord put forth His hand and touched my mouth, and the Lord said to me: “Behold, I have put My words in your mouth." Jer 1:9
Question: Since the GB compare the organization to the nation of Israel under Moses, does that make them Moses?
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29 minutes ago, Dmitar said:
What fellowship should I have here?
1 Corinthians 15:33 Paul is talking about those people with whom we associate or fellowship. We tend to take on the character of the group with which we associate. If we associate with people of bad character, they will succeed in pulling us down to their level.
Did that happen to Jesus Christ? Did it happen to the apostles?
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1 hour ago, Thinking said:
because you don’t really know Jehovah and how he works and why he does certain things.
How does the Almighty God work? He abandons His people when they sin - when they listen to false prophets who prophesy illusions. He abandons them when they become idolaters, investing time and energy into idols such as "organization". They suffer for their hard-heartedness. If they call out wanting to know TRUTH - the truth about the lie they were living under, He hears them and acts to rescue them from the enemies that God allowed to overcome them. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; Rev 13:5-7,10,15;16:13-16)
This is how God works. He expects His people to repent of their sins. This is why He does certain things, but because He never changes, He will never tolerate a people who follow the teachings of false teachers/false prophets, and who say they represent Jesus Christ - HIS SON, WHO IS TRUTH. (John 14:6) That is why leaving the organization is vital to one's salvation. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12)
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56 minutes ago, Thinking said:
that you are doing is what Jehovah HATES…and that is to cause divisions and doubts and to weaken one’s faith even in the creator…..how many have left the org and gone on to become atheists…or gone back to BTG…to the belief of the trinity and idol worship…..heaps sereko…
Which doctrine is worse - believing in the trinity, or believing in the Great Pyramid of Giza as the "God's Stone Witness"... or believing that the generation of anointed who could somehow conceptualize the "birth" of the kingdom in 1914, would be a generation that never passed away...or believing that Armageddon would arrive in 1975 (and the many dates before that)?
Which lie, is worse? Because they are all lies. Does a lie soften its intent to mislead, if it said by leaders of "Jehovah's organization"?
Lies, are what cause divisions. Luke 12:51-53 Jesus never told us to tolerate the lying doctrines of men. It cannot be dismissed that each teaching I mentioned, fall under the category of doctrines of men. To the Pharisees whom Jesus directed the words of Matt 15:7-9 to, he finally told them, "your house is abandoned to you", in Luke 13:35. He didn't tolerate the lies and doctrine of men in those days, and neither did his disciples. So why would a JW believe he would today? False prophets are influenced by powerful demonic spirits, and able to influence "many" to believe them. Matt 7:15-20; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Pet 2:2
Babylon the Great - a promise - is where lies are told. Isa 28:14,15; Rev 18:4-8
"This is what the Lord of Armies says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth." Jer 23:16
"Leave Babylon; save your lives, each of you! Don’t perish because of her guilt. For this is the time of the Lord’s vengeance— he will pay her what she deserves." Jer 51:6
56 minutes ago, Thinking said:YOU…are the one that was afraid of man
The one who stays quiet in the organization, knowing its leadership have deceived the flock with untruths, is afraid of men.
Put no more trust in a mere human,
who has only the breath in his nostrils.
What is he really worth? Isa 2:22 -
5 hours ago, Witness said:
I doubt very much that Heb 10:25 can be applied to the three of us on any given day.
... on this forum.
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3 hours ago, Dmitar said:
In studying their organization
Allen, are you saying that you are not a JW...after all these years of defending the organization, vehemently?
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3 hours ago, Dmitar said:
ake example with the poster Witness. This individual venerates a blogger. By that determination, that person is a spiritual leader to Witness. Another thing you have not considered; a "gathering" The implication of a gathering is two or three individuals. If that is established as it is done here by @Srecko Sostar, @Witness, @Patiently waiting for Truth, you have formed an unintentional church.
I doubt very much that Heb 10:25 can be applied to the three of us on any given day.
As far as "venerating a blogger", this is answer I have provided for someone on reddit, and I've shared Luke 22:24-27 with you in the past.
You know, I came out of a religion that required obedience to men. Luke 22:24-27 defines the rulership of the governing body (“friends of the people/benefactors”) and elder body (“Gentiles”/nations)…perfectly. Jesus told his disciples, “it is not to be that way among you”. But if you notice these scriptures also point out that the “leader” is the one who serves – serves what? The truth in Christ’s teachings – not the doctrine of men, the pestilence existing in the organization. The GB fulfill the role of the “wicked slave” of Matt 24:48-51. They beat down all who have a token of truth deposited in their heart at their anointing. (Matt 25:19-21; Rom 5;5; 1 John 2:27)
The GB relish obedience to whatever they may dish out, and the “Gentile” “kings”/elders make sure that JWs follow their outlined feeding program. This is slavery. Matt 6:24; 2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10
The apostles were leaders in truth – leading people to Jesus Christ. They were not human leaders over men and women, expecting full dedication to a human instead of to Jesus Christ; human leaders who decide that those under them must submit their "time" in the preaching work, or they must be registered as members of the organization...or they must not balk at any direction from the elder body or "slave".
“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God, since it is written, He catches the wise in their craftiness; 20 and again, The Lord knows that the reasonings of the wise are futile. 21 So let no one boast in human leaders, for everything is yours— 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come—everything is yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God.” 1 Cor 3:19-23
Anyone can question Pearl about her teachings and she will answer them directly, supplying them with God’s word/scriptures so they make up their own mind. (Isa 59:20,21; Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3; Acts 17:10,11)
“Truly I tell you, whoever receives anyone I send receives me, and the one who receives me receives him who sent me.” John 13:20
“There is one who speaks rashly,
like a piercing sword;
but the tongue of the wise brings healing.” Prov 12:18 – Matt 7:18; Rev 22;1-3http://pearl-obeymen.blogspot.com/
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4 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
No one in the JW Org can get the GB to confess or repent. No JWs can remove the whole GB from that Org.
No one alone can remove them - that is true. But, it is promised that God will put it into the hearts of the elder body/"man of lawlessness", along with anointed ones, to have them removed. Rev 17:15-18
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26 minutes ago, Dmitar said:
re you claiming spiritual Israel has no part of Christ Body, which is the Church?
They ARE the Body of Christ, which is the spiritual "church".
Allen, we've gone down many conversational roads before. Your demeanor is much different now, much more controlled which I appreciate. But whatever topic we take on, we will most likely not agree.
I'll leave it at that.
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5 hours ago, Dmitar said:
Can you explain this, since anyone can react and be compulsive to send out literature or letters? How does God's spirit play a role in such a simple task? I personally receive pamphlets from a local church on my doorsteps regularly. I receive postcards from religious organizations regularly. Are you suggesting God's Holy Spirit is at play, even though some of those institutions don't have a clear understanding of scripture? What is the message that should play a role and how God's Spirit inspires the writer on that message.
This message being mailed world-wide, isn't a "simple task". It makes me wonder if you dismiss the letter writing assignment by JWs as a "simple task". It doesn't sound like you pursued the QR code, so I'll provide the website here.
God's Holy Spirit is "at play", and this person is an anointed one; she is not from a church or institution.
"When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. " Matt 10:23
In case you're confused, "Israel" refers to the anointed Body of Christ. The message includes every JW who reside with them in the organization. Gal 6:15,16; Rom 2:28,29;9:6-8; Rev 18:4-8
https://inthenightaflyingscroll.blogspot.com/2021/11/get-out-of-her-my-people-rev184.html?m=0
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5 hours ago, Dmitar said:
Can you expand on your thought here? It appears there is some difficulty in understanding the word suicide.
I wasn't commenting on suicide, but on Srecko's comment -
Some of you are already resisting the "nonsense" that comes from GB, while at the same time you are watching some of your spiritual brothers and sisters stumble under the burden of theology that you are aware has failed. ............. Don't you feel sad? Don't you want to help them not be afraid of man?
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5 hours ago, Dmitar said:
yet you don't do the same about that individual?
What individual? The man who made the video, the man who wrote the book, the man who died on the park bench, Nathan Knorr, or Patiently waiting for Truth?
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10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Some of you are already resisting the "nonsense" that comes from GB, while at the same time you are watching some of your spiritual brothers and sisters stumble under the burden of theology that you are aware has failed. ............. Don't you feel sad? Don't you want to help them not be afraid of man?
Those questions should pierce the heart of every JW.
“Teacher, which command in the law is the greatest?”
37 He said to him, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the greatest and most important command. 39 The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands.” Matt 22:36-40
If the congregations were practicing these two “laws”, no one would be disfellowshipped or shunned for exposing the danger of men’s superiority over them, and exposing their false doctrines. Love of God and neighbor would require it. If the leadership demand obedience to their word, they are exalting themselves above the words of Christ. What's more important, allowing your neighbor to be stumbled by the "burden of theology", or leading your neighbor to the "simplicity that is in Christ"? (2 Cor 11:3)
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On 12/27/2021 at 9:22 PM, Srecko Sostar said:
From all this arises a really interesting question: which spirit Jesus sends, his own or God's. Can Jesus send the spirit of another person, his Father, and vice versa? Or is it logical to send his own HS?
HS is also called the spirit of truth, and Jesus claims that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It seems how Bible verses above speaking in both ways.33 "The one who has accepted his testimony has affirmed that God is true. 34 For the one whom God sent speaks God’s words, since He gives the Spirit without measure. "
Eph 2:17,18 - "He came and proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father."
1 Cor 12:4-11 - Now there are different gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are different ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are different activities, but the same God works all of them in each person. 7 A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good: 8 to one is given a message of wisdom through the Spirit, to another, a message of knowledge by the same Spirit, 9 to another, faith by the same Spirit, to another, gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another, the performing of miracles, to another, prophecy, to another, distinguishing between spirits, to another, different kinds of tongues,[b] to another, interpretation of tongues. 11 One and the same Spirit is active in all these, distributing to each person as he wills."
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4 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:
I watched this video but I've no idea who he is or if he was reading from a book. Therefore I've no idea if what he was saying is true. Can you give me more details please, references etc.... Thanks.
Yes, you are right, he is reading from the book, “We left Jehovah’s Witnesses” by Edmond Gruss. He has done a few videos on segments from the book. The maker of the video and his wife have made a lot of videos, but I personally, have only seen a few; and from I have gathered, they are both exjws.
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On 12/25/2021 at 10:43 AM, Witness said:
When God sent his servants to proclaim the sins of His people, they never let up, did they. Rev 11:1-3
Really @Srecko Sostar! 😀 Rachel is sending her letters by the literal thousands to JWs world-wide. This one with the QR code is being mailed as a post card. How one person is able to accomplish what she's doing, can only be through the blessing of God's Spirit.
"angels" are messengers - human messengers. 🙂
"And another, a third angel, followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is poured full strength into the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, 11 and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or anyone who receives the mark of its name. 12 This calls for endurance from the saints, who keep God’s commands and their faith in Jesus.” Rev 14:9-12
Jer 23:29 - “Is not My word like fire”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and like a hammer that pulverizes rock?"
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3 hours ago, Arauna said:
As seen above - I am interested in the biblical meaning.
I am not here to appease anyone. I am here to expose the organization as it is, a spiritual ruse that has trampled down the holy people of God. (Isa 1:10-12; Dan 8:13; 11:15,16,31,32; Luke 21:24; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
Did Jesus revile, “abuse”, the Pharisees by telling them they were a brood of vipers, or did they revile him for speaking truth? They called him Beelzebub, but it was THEY who were the progeny of the devil. (1 Pet 2:23) I have been called a child of the devil for addressing Wt's falsehoods. (Matt 5:11)
Speaking against the GB and organization, does not mean I am abusing them. The GB are locked away, behind a guarded gate. They throw their insults against “apostates” freely and confidently from their compound, but they refuse to sit down with any anointed one who challenges their teachings. Are they too good for the rest of Christ's brothers? It appears to be so. They are cowards in a sense, hiding in their fortress; yet they are also arrogant in their stand against Christ’s teachings, just as the Pharisees were. On the other hand, they send out their henchmen to cut down any who speak against THEM. (Matt 24:48-51) Their supposed rulership over others must be preserved at all costs - at the cost of others. An unwelcomed knock on the door by an elder is common. JWs don't necessarily live behind locked gates like the eight men do. The point of the elder's visit is to judge a dissenter as unworthy of spiritual life for rejecting the GB and Satan's ruse. (Dan 11:38) These Harlots send out men not anointed, to cut down the holy priesthood - the anointed. (John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7; 13:15) The GB lead an insular life, but they cannot hide their actions from the Father and Jesus.
The Lord said:
These people approach me with their speeches
to honor me with lip-service,
yet their hearts are far from me,
and human rules direct their worship of me.
14 Therefore, I will again confound these people
with wonder after wonder.
The wisdom of their wise will vanish,
and the perception of their perceptive will be hidden.15 Woe to those who go to great lengths
to hide their plans from the Lord.
They do their works in the dark,
and say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?” Isa 29:13-15The arrogance of the GB proven through the C.O.’s talk that the elder commented on above, will be a good spark for the organization to cut the “Harlot” down. (Rev 17:17)
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