Witness

On 9/10/2021 at 7:06 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Well the Watchtower Leaders have been trying to move Armageddon since the late 1800's but it hasn't worked. 

 

An exercise in futility.

"Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward."  Job 15:31

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Unless a person exercises faith in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, he cannot grasp the real meaning of the Scriptures

That's a real tough one for a people who put their faith in the GB, faith in the elders to lead them,  faith in their doctrines, and faith in the organization.  How far can one's spiritual faith stretch, before nothing is left to "exercise" toward Jesus Christ and the Father?

Their term, "exercise faith" sounds a little mechanical, doesn't it?  It sounds like work, and for JWs, it is almost impossible "exercising faith" toward Jesus Christ. It appears to be a mental exercise only,  that really cannot reach the heart.  If it did, they would listen to what the scriptures are telling them, and they would leave the organization.  Their heart would motivate them to do what Jesus tells them.

Their Bible uses this term "exercise faith" in John 3:18; 14:1; 2 Cor 4:13; John 7:5; 16:9; Rom 10:4,10; Mark 5:36; John 11:26; 6:29; 1 Pet 2:6; John 6:40; 1:12; 11:25; Gal 3:22; Rom 10:9...and the list goes on.

The ESV, NKJV, NIV, LEB and I'm sure many more,  use "believe/s", which  indicates action that can reach the heart.  

 

 

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Isaiah 33:1,

@Space MerchantYou believe there is no depth to the meaning of God's word, that Assyria, the "son of destruction" and its demise, cannot be projected to the father of destruction, Satan himself?   Read Ezek 28

Jesus comes to "destroy" death - destruction, ruination, and the father of death - the Destroyer. 1 Cor 15:26  He has conquered death, and he will put an end to the destroyer through the condemnation of God's word, which is like "fire".  Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10

Isa 33:1 - "Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee."

"spoilest" - to ravage:—dead, destroy(-er), oppress, robber, spoil(-er), × utterly, (lay) waste.

"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8

"devour" - "drink down, swallow down/up, destroy"

And what did Jesus say the "robber" did?

"The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."  John 10:10

Judas Iscariot was the "son of destruction", the "man of lawlessness", a thief and a killer, just like his father.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

And how is it I can't be trusted because you assume Satan was in Egypt?

Yes, no one in their right mind, but your own statements say otherwise, as pointed out. You did the same with Isaiah 33:1, and now 1 Corinthians 10:6-10.

I need not say much, the fact you purposely ignored your own words says otherwise - evident because not once you made a comment on your own quotes. What is next, you are going to say that you never alluded to New Ageism when you said individual will become both human and angel despite the quotation of you saying it is present? This is what happens when you go about your own exegesis, it only spells disaster for you, as is with mixing verses. There is a reason as to why no one wants to make comment on your quotes.

As I told you before, like I tell everyone exposed for being an MSC, you are misguided, and the fact you are for a former JW, proves the narrative spoken of by many in CSE and outside of it. MSC folk are no different from each other.

Go to your Bible and pay attention to the references because if you didn't know about the Bronze Serpent, let alone the Passover, this only means you need to do your own DD in Biblical study and research.

That being said, if you speak of trust, I can easily quote you on an older remark, one you do not want to hear, so scabbard yourself on that. A better response would be the application of 1 John 4:1, yet, that is unknown to you.

Who do you defend, you and all JWs with you -  the one who brings life, or the one who causes ruin?

Exod 12:23 – “When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.”

The word for “destroyer” here, means “to corrupt, go to ruin, decay, pervert, to be rotted”.  This is exactly the opposite of what salvation (saving one’s life) in Jesus Christ who came from the Father, offers us. God’s Spirit in the Son, is the breath of LIFE.

“The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63

When God removes His protective spirit, the Destroyer steps in. He abandons us to the wicked choices we make.

1 Cor 10 - 

“But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. ⁷ And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” ⁸ Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; ⁹ nor let us test Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; ¹⁰ nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. ¹¹ Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.”

As I've brought out, the meaning of destroyer in verse 10 is, “a ruiner, a venomous serpent”. 

And as I have mentioned, we’re all aware of who the “venomous serpent” refers to.  (Gen 3:1)  Both Exod 12:23 and 1 Cor 10:10 show that the destroyer, the “ruiner”, in these accounts refer to Satan.

“Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. ⁸ All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. ⁹ I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. ¹⁰ The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”  John 10:7-10

 Through deceit, the Destroyer and his ministers, have successfully convince millions of JWs throughout the years, that the Father and His Son are the destroyers of life. And, with great success, Satan has led God’s people into idolatry once again through their idol, "Jehovah's organization".  (2 Cor 11:4,13-15)  

Jesus does not carry both the spirit of destruction and ruin, and the spirit of life.  That is what Paul warned us that would happen - "another Jesus" is being taught by you and the Wt. 

Just wonderful, isn't it?  It is called, "confusion (by mixing)"  the  meaning of "Babylon", and it is described in Isa 5:20 - 

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"  

You can worship a God and His Son that brings life that they have created, to ruin, if you like, but I will not.    I choose to be on the side of life.  Deceit is darkness and death and destruction and ruination...and it is Satan's playground.  That appears where your belief that God and Jesus are the destroyers, lies. 

What a dangerous pit to be in , when the giver of life returns.  

 

 

 

 

 

To any anointed ones here from the organization:   After reading this list, and as teachers of the Word, the law of God, (Mal 2:7; Isa 43:10,12;44:8; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)…
..can you honestly say that you have worked in unison with the following words of the apostle Paul ? (1 Thess 2)

“For you yourselves know, brethren, that our coming to you was not in vain. 2 But even after we had suffered before and were spitefully treated at Philippi, as you know, we were bold in our God to speak to you the gospel of God in much conflict. 3 For our exhortation did not come from error or uncleanness, nor was it in deceit.

4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.” 

For the following scriptures, consider your leaders, the GB:

"For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness (pretext for greed)—God is witness. 6 Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ.
For you remember, brethren, our labor and toil; for laboring night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, we preached to you the gospel of God."

Have demands been put upon you, by those who call themselves, the (present and only) “faithful and discreet slave” of an earthly organization?  What are your obligations to this organization?    Obviously, by Paul's words, our only obligation is to the Father and the Son in Truth.  Why would this change today?

"For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.”

To all JWs, which “word” have you received from the “faithful and discreet slave”?  The word of God, or the word of men outlined above?  Which word have you welcomed and that “works in you”?  Truth, or the shifting sands of doctrine that cannot stand the test of time?  

"Your prophets had nothing to tell you but lies; Their preaching deceived you by never exposing your sin. They made you think you did not need to repent."  Lam 2:14

 

 

Contributed by a poster on reddit:

"Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"

 

Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)

These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.

1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed

1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour

1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave

1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message

(from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)

1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts

1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work

1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger

1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel

1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave

1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave

1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that

1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.

1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.

1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave

1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave

1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.

1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave

1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings

1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave

1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave

1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time

2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed

2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters

2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919

2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave

2007 All anointed Christians

2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class

2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave

2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days

2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed

2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.

2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919

2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings

2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)

2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.

2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave

21 hours ago, xero said:

If the GB needs disciplining, Jehovah will be the one to give it.

Jude 9

Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...

20 hours ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention:

“God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19

 

21 hours ago, xero said:

Your long-winded replies show you have a pride problem.

Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)

You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3

Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence

and inscribe it on a scroll;

it will be for the days to come,

a witness forever and ever.

9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,

children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.

10They say to the seers,

“Stop seeing visions!”

and to the prophets,

“Do not prophesy to us the truth!

Speak to us pleasant words;

prophesy illusions.

11Get out of the way; turn off the road.

Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”

12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:

“Because you have rejected this message,

trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,

13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,

a bulge in a high wall,

whose collapse will come suddenly—

in an instant!

14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,

shattered so that no fragment can be found.

Not a shard will be found in the dust

large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth

or to skim the water from a cistern.”

15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:

“By repentance and rest

you would be saved;

your strength would lie in quiet confidence—

but you were not willing.”  Isa 30

 

Sleeping

 

If the only path of eternal life is truth in God’s Word, why would one tolerate untruths? (John 1:17; 14:6; 17:17; 1 John 4:6; 2 Tim 2:15) 

Once we fall into a truth-baited trap, finding we’ve been surrounded by the deep darkness of untruths, what happens? (Ps 140:5; Amos 3:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 2 Cor 6:14) 

We either fold our hands and accept the good with the bad, as thousands have done so for the rest of their fleshly lives; or our heart condition is motivated at some point to know why – why would God teach His people doctrine that is revealed to be untrue; doctrine which men call repeatedly, “adjustments in understanding” and “new light”. (Isa 5:20,21; 50:11; Eph 5:6,11; Rev 2:2; Mal 3:18) 

God would not condone untruths, and neither would Jesus Christ. (Num 23:19; Mark 7:7; 2 John 1:9; Heb 6:18) But men in the organization convinced us otherwise. (Gal 1:6-9) 

Jesus, who established the foundation of the Temple of Truth, has always been straightforward in providing the light of God’s word for those who seek it. (John 2:19,21; John 14:6; 8:12; John 3:20,21;1 Cor 3:11; 1 Pet 2:5,6; 1 Cor 12:28; Eph 1:13;2:19,20; 1 John 4:6) 

However, “wolves in sheep’s clothing”, who receive their powers of deception from the father of the lie, are responsible for setting the successful trap of confusion. (Ezek 22:27; Isa 3:12; 9:16;Matt 7:15; 24:23-26; Acts 20:29; John 8:44; 1 Tim 4:1,2; 2 Pet 2:1-3) 

They claim their personal role and that of their organization, is to disseminate truth, and this work is approved by both God and Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12) Yet, neither the Father nor the Son would abandon what was initially established on the body of Christ in the first century, in order to accommodate the lying doctrines and aspirations of men. (Matt 16:18;1 Cor 3:10; Col 1:5; Eph 2:20,21; 2 Tim 1:13; 2:2; 3:14) 

Each doctrine and subsequent doctrinal change, is an obstacle to one’s spiritual growth. (Mark 9:42; 1 Cor 4:6; James 3:15; 1 Tim 6:3-5) 

“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Rom 16:17,18

In fact, the climate found in the organization reminds me of the air breathed when wildfires rage close to home. For days on end, the sun’s rays are obscured with smoke and ash. We may initially complain, but this obstacle is eventually accepted as an oppressive “normal”, and adaptations to continue in the daily routine are made. Our lungs and ensuing health suffer from inhaling harmful residue from the fires. In the organization, we adapted to the smoke and mirrors of deception and idolatry, contrived by the “ruler of the power of the air”. (Ezek 32:7; Isa 13:9,10; Joel 3:15; Eph 2:2; Rev 9:1,2) We were existing without the light of the “sun” – the light and truth of Christ’s teachings. We “breathed” in spirit-driven falsehoods, letting them settle into our hearts and placing our spiritual health in jeopardy. (Ps 5:9; Zech 8:17; Isa 29:13; Rev 16:13-16) 

We didn’t realize that each doctrine established, is a clear sign that men have diverted from the Temple foundation of truth. (Jer 8:8-9; Matt 7:15-20; John 15:4,5; Col 2:3,4) 

We were unaware that these false teachers appease their fleshly need for power over others, through the ‘sale’ of their false doctrines, while also exalting what they have built. (Exod 34:12-15; Isa 2:7,8; Hab 2:18; Rom 1:25; Rev 2:20;13:1,3-4,11,12,16,17) 

We shared in the sins of their folly. (Jer 5:31; Isa 3:11;Prov 19:3; 1 Tim 6:9; Rev 14:9-11; 18:4-8) 

“And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience. We too all previously lived among them in our fleshly desires, carrying out the inclinations of our flesh and thoughts, and we were by nature children under wrath as the others were also” Eph 2:1-3

The organization’s existence serves the spiritual thieving need for Satan to destroy the competition – those “kings of the earth” under Jesus Christ. (Rev 1:5;5:9,10) (Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9) 

Is it really true that the governing leaders would accommodate Satan’s driving passion to destroy God’s priests/kings? (Luke 4:5-7; 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15; Heb 12:15,16; Rev 8:10,11)

Well, it is not uncommon in the history of political rulership to witness corrupt men coming to power, only to rob and crush the poor and the needy. How much more so would Satan implement a plan to rob and crush the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” under the façade of righteous acts, and using his ministers to carry it out? (Eccl 10:5-7; Jer 9:8; Isa 3:5,13-15; Zech 7:10; Hab 2:9,10; Jer 8:16; Joel 1:6,7;2 Thess 2:4,9,10; Rev 9:3,4,7,8,11; Rev 11:2; 12:13,15,17; 2 Cor 11:4,14,15) 

Can you imagine Satan sitting back and allowing his kingdom to be destroyed, which without a doubt will happen when the Temple of living stones has reached completion? (Zech 4:6,7; Dan 2:34,35; 7:27; Rom 8:19-22) 

No corrupt leader willingly gives up what he has built without a fight to protect his interests; and Satan’s only threat, is Jesus and the anointed members of his body. (1 John 5:19; Matt 28:18;:33; 1 Cor 15:25,26; Eph 6:12; Rev 12:7,10) 

The traditional warring campaign is to target, capture and kill. Of course, this is Satan’s tactic against the kingdom heirs since he originated the plan. (Ezek 38:10,11; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:7,8) If we analyze the organization’s drive to search out those who are called “honest-hearted ones”, (“the hearts of the naïve”), the realistic goal behind the deception, is to target the unsuspecting ones, and lead these individuals into the indoctrination of men, resulting in spiritual famine, disease and ultimate destruction. (Hos 4:1; Amos 8:11; Isa 32:6; 1 John 3:8) 

Pearl Doxsey once said Satan “dredged the world to get anyone interested in the Bible.” Upon hearing this, I immediately thought of gold dredging in the high country of rivers and streams where I grew up. Many believe that this practice is destructive to stream life. I tend to agree that it can destroy spawning grounds of fish, diverting riverbeds from their natural course. From what I’ve learned, any man-made change that does not accommodate the natural flow of rivers, streams, small seasonal run-offs, and moisture from the heavens, constricts or prevents all established trees, plants and water life dependent on their natural setting, to continue thriving as they once were.

A valuable “token” of Holy Spirit is deposited into each heart of one chosen by God through the anointing. (2 Cor 1:21,22; 1 Pet 2:9) Jesus compares the spirit of knowledge and truth, to “fine gold”. (John 14:15-17; Rev 3:18) 

Each vessel chosen to do God’s will, should preserve the word of God, and teach it. (Mal 2:7; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Cor 4:1; 2 Cor 4:7; Eph 4:11,12; 1 Thess 2:4) Through their faithfulness and sacrifices of praise, the wisdom of God should grow within them. (Matt 25:14,19,21; Eph 2:10; 3:20; 4:15; Phil 1:6; Eph 1:7-10) 

Jesus also compares the end harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, to fish caught in a net. (Matt 13:37-39, 47,48; Jer16:16,17,18,15; 5:26; Hab 1:15-17) 

These “sons”/anointed are God’s “possession”. (Exod 19:6; John 15:16; 1 Pet 2:9,10) 

Through this fishing and dredging process, they became Satan’s captives, in time to halt the progress of further spiritual development of truth within themselves. (Heb 5:12-14) He halted the flow of “living water” that Jesus promised would come from the hearts of those who believe in him, and who remained attached to the “vine”/sap of Holy Spirit. (John 4:10; 7:38; 15:4; Jer 2:13)

He successfully blocked their connection with their Master and Head, Jesus Christ, and introduced them to a new Master, under the covenant of death. (Eph 5:23; Col 2:19; Jer 8:18,19; Hos 17:10,13,16; Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11; 17:3; Isa 28:15,18) 

Satan diverted the waters of life, preventing any who showed interest in the word of God to receive truth. (2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 5:20; 2 Tim 2:15) He created his own poisoned waters, through his ministers, to the fatal harm of all who drink it in. (Rev 8:10,11) He prevented the members of Christ’s body to receive the “bread of life”, preventing their union as one body, “one loaf” sent by Christ to those hungry for truth. (John 6:35,50,51; Matt 10:40,41) 

At his demand, God has allowed this testing by Satan to come upon the final remnant in the last days. (Luke 22:31; Jer 9:13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12) 

Pearl had mentioned that just as Herod went into Jerusalem to find the young Jesus and kill him, Satan has searched out those under the New Covenant in Christ – the anointed of “Jerusalem above”, to destroy with deceit. The “preaching work” of JWs, facilitated Satan’s plan. (Gal 4:26) 

These counterfeit "witnesses" unwittingly go "door to door" with the bait....searching out the "firstborn sons" for Satan....

that they might take the bait...becoming ensnared, enslaved, and "destroyed" before they have a chance to grow to sealed maturity (Eph.4:13; 1Cor.2:6; Gal.4:19)....just as the soldiers of Herod sought through every home in Ramah, to destroy the promised seed (Rev.12:17; Heb.12:23; Rev.14:4; 2Thess.2:13,14; Matt.2:16,17,18; Isa.49:21; Eze.14:22; 6:8; 7:16; 12:16) 

Unfortunately, Satan did not care that innocent babies were killed in his rage (reflected in Herod) against the promised "seed" Jesus (Gal.3:16). Neither does he care, that interested Bible students are perishing from the poisonous waters he has unleashed to target the "seed" today (Gal.3:29,26; Rev.12:4,15,16,17).

There is nothing superior about the indoctrination offered to the Bible students of "Jehovah's Witnesses".

They are learning lies just as members of Christendom are learning lies.

The only path to life, is Truth.

Whether you are "babes" to doctrines of men, or babes to the real truth,

the Great Tribulation will be a severe spiritual test, which most will not survive (Matt.24:22,24,13)...

Not because the test is unfair, but because most of those of the learned and the unlearned,

prefer the idolatrous lies (2Thess.2:9,10; Matt.7:13).

For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation. 

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/babes-and.html

 

"Go to the ant, you sluggard;

consider its ways and be wise!

7 It has no commander,

no overseer or ruler,

8 yet it stores its provisions in summer

and gathers its food at harvest.

9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?

When will you get up from your sleep?

10 A little sleep, a little slumber,

a little folding of the hands to rest—

11 and poverty will come on you like a thief

and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 6

 

"I went past the field of a sluggard,

past the vineyard of someone who has no sense;

31 thorns had come up everywhere,

the ground was covered with weeds,

and the stone wall was in ruins.

32 I applied my heart to what I observed

and learned a lesson from what I saw:

33 A little sleep, a little slumber,

a little folding of the hands to rest—

34 and poverty will come on you like a thief

and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 24

Jer 8:13; Hos 8:7,8; Isa 50:2; Rev 18:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+8%3A13%3B+Hos+8%3A7%2C8%3B+Isa+50%3A2%3B+Rev+18%3A8 &version=NIV

 

The temple of God’s dwelling where truth could be found in a united anointed priesthood of “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5) is in symbolic ruins in the organization. (Matt 24:2; Luke 19:41-44) Thorns and briars have taken over. (Dan 11:36,37; Ezek 2:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) The saints are scattered among the nations, but that doesn’t mean that a “restoration” work is impossible. (Eph 2:4-10) It is happening now. As Pearl said, “For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation.” (Ezek 34:12; Isa 50:10; 52:1,2; Eph 5:14-16; Jer 31:10,11;16; Isa 10:20) 

 

Leave the organization if you haven’t already done so! And if you have left, help as many as you can to leave the abyss of deep darkness behind.

 

"If you falter in a time of trouble,

how small is your strength!

11 Rescue those being led away to death;

hold back those staggering toward slaughter.

12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”

does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?

Does not he who guards your life know it?

Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?" Prov 24

 

4 hours ago, xero said:

"A man repeatedly reproved but making his neck hard will suddenly be broken, and that without healing." - Proverbs 29:1

That is a very good scripture to apply to your leaders who continuously rely on fabrications of their own mind, to lead God's people.  (Jer 14:14)

 

 

Perhaps you are interpreting my resistance to approach a body of elders for spiritual support that you believe I must need, as being stiff-necked?  I don’t think you understand God’s use of “stiff-necked” in the scriptures.  It concerns God’s people not following His commands, and Christ’s teachings. (Exod 32:8-10; Acts 7:51) If needed, I receive my counsel and refinement from the Father and the Son. (1 John 1:7,9,10; 2:1; 3:2,3; 5:3; Eph 4:20-24)   The GB have created their own interpretation of God’s word that diverts from scripture. You even mentioned that the magazines are simply interpretations on the word of God, which indicates no solid ground for truth to be established. (Matt 7:26,27)  Their goal is to refine JWs according to an earthly organizational method under the influence of their word, that you seem to prefer.  No.  They are not my mediator, an organization made up of elders is not my mediator, who have usurped the anointed priesthood in Christ, (2 Thess 2:3,4) and who gives advice by the guidelines of a confidential scripted book.   Are your methods the same earthly methods of your leaders?  ( Phil 3:17-21; James 3:15)

“So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a feast day or a new moon or sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. ¹⁸ Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, ("messengers"....was it you who mentioned that JWs tend to "worship" the GB? Someone did)   intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, ¹⁹ and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

²⁰ Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— ²¹ “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” ²² which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? ²³ These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.”  Col 2:16-23

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, xero said:

Let's stay on topic, shall we? Let's dive into your defects. Maybe we can help you stop doing whatever it is your keep doing? We can't until you ask for help. Remember, asking for help is a strength, not a weakness. It's a baby step, but I know you can do it.

🙂  Spoken like a true elder "shepherd". Ezek 34:1-16; Jer 23:1-3; John 10:7-15

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A1-16%3B+Jer+23%3A1-3%3B+John+10%3A7-15&version=CSB

1 hour ago, xero said:

And you have none to concern yourself with?

Can you even name a defect you have which you've struggled with, but you keep sinning anyway?

I can name several defects that I have and I continually ask for forgiveness.  One thing I don’t do, is teach millions of people that they must obey me, no matter what I say.  I don’t put myself before Jesus Christ. I don’t lead millions of people into idolatry, a grave sin that I committed for over 30 years and which I have asked God to forgive me; for listening to spiritual harlots who have broken their covenant with Jesus, and becoming one myself by consuming their lies.   I don’t tell people that Armageddon will be here in a certain year, and when it doesn’t occur, blame my listeners for jumping to conclusions.

I don’t exalt earthly treasures above spiritual “treasures”/knowledge of God’s Word.  Can your leaders live without their organization, their compound, their hopes and dreams to be filled on this earth…in Satan’s domain?

Their sins are not the slight ones. They have committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit, by damning the anointed in Christ, who speak against their lies. 

7 hours ago, xero said:

Point is that none of the people complaining about the GB actually are in their congregation and it's a waste of time chasing real or imagined deficiencies of other people you don't know

I do believe those in the world who want to "know" the GB just need to tune into the website and take a listen to their videos.  Their deficiencies are REAL.  

1 hour ago, xero said:

https://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/04b1b958-20be-4605-a376-c3e8fe72e571

 

What does a "witness" for God witness about? Other things to fill out their day instead of their testimony for truth?  

 By the way, "witness" in Greek means "martyr".  We don't know how many anointed and others were "killed" by men (who act as "kings") in judicial committees for the last several decades for their "witness" to truth in God's word.  Are those df'd, the apostates, or were they exposing their apostate "governors"?  

Why did they become martyrs like the apostles with the early anointed and believers in Christ?  

They filled their day as much as possible, with their testimony of truth.  Rev 11:3,7; 13:5-7,15; 12:11

“You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. ("congregations")  On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.  And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.  Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit."  Mark 13:9-11

"They will put you out of the synagogue ("congregation"); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."  John 16:2

Do you see?  This is the direction of the end time preaching work - to "Israel", the anointed and those with them.  Matt 10: 23  To the "apostates" that have dominion over the anointed and all, who remain captive to empty philosophy.  (Col 2:8)

"Of course, we are living in the world, but we do not wage war in a world-like way. For the weapons of our warfare are not those of the world. Instead, they have the power of God to demolish fortresses. We tear down arguments  and every proud obstacle that is raised against the knowledge of God, taking every thought captive in order to obey the Messiah."  1 Cor 10:3-5

What is the "fortress" of protection for JWs?

And just as a child seeks his parents’ protection when a storm rages, we seek protection in Jehovah’s organization when, like a thunderstorm, the problems of this world strike us. wt 11/4/15 pp 3-5

Sounds like idol worship, doesn't it.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4

23 minutes ago, xero said:

Point is that none of the people complaining about the GB actually are in their congregation and it's a waste of time chasing real or imagined deficiencies of other people you don't know when you just look in the mirror and realize you have your own homework to do.

What did the apostles do?  What was their homework?

16 minutes ago, xero said:

try not to stir things up,

Deal with the discipline of people who are not inspired, but act as if they are on par with the apostles?

No, never.  The point is to defend truth, not those who exalt themselves and their doctrine, over Truth in Jesus Christ.  We are to make a noise when we know that truth is not being upheld.  (Eph 5:11)

Are we to defend men or the Father and the Son?

"Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10

We can't please God or Christ and please men who expect us to accept their false teachings.  

What is the point of Armageddon if not to exalt the Father and the Son in Truth, through our testimony?   Why does "Michael" stand up in the last days if not to defend the Father in Truth? (Acts 3:20,21; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Dan 12:1) 

"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"  Gal 1:6-9

The real reason this injustice occurs? To protect a facade... the Image of the Organization, as a spotless spiritual paradise (Jer.6:13-14; Eze.13:10; 22:27; 34:2-4; Acts 20:29) (Rev.13:14-15,12,8; Isa.48:1-2; Jer.7:4; Matt.24:23).

The innocent who do not honor that false Image of divinity, are slandered and expelled (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6-7; Ps.12:5; Matt.7:15; 12:7; Jer.23:2; 22:3; Rev.11:7; 17:6; Zech.11:15-17) (Eze.45:9; Isa.59:3-9,14-15; 32:7; Amos 5:12). (Ps.94:21; Rev.20:9; Micah 7:3; 3:10-11; 1Thess.5:3)

"My Master is Delaying/Two Witness Policy

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, BroRando said:

In 1919, shortly after the Last Days began in 1914,

“Now we ask you, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to him, ² that you not be easily shaken from your composure, nor be troubled either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter alleged to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has arrived. ³ Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, ⁴ who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.”  2 Thess 2:1-4

What is the first event that you see happening?  An announcement is made that the “day of the Lord as arrived”.  Who announces it?  Someone “alleged to be from us” – from an anointed one, or one who claims to be anointed… or, a “false apostle”. Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13; Rev 2:2 

Who do you know in the world – either in politics or religion -  that has made an announcement that the “day of the Lord has arrived”?  The only leaders that I know who have made such a statement, are the leaders of your organization! 

@Kick_Faceinator had a great quote related to this from the Wt., which I can’t find, but these will do:

• BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began. w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
• By the time the Lord’s day began in 1914, Britain had built the largest empire in history and the United States had become the greatest industrial power on earth. w12 6/15 pp. 14-18 
• Thus, when the Lord’s day dawned in October 1914, there were still true Christians on earth. re chap. 6 pp. 27-32 

 

“The Lord’s day” began in 1914, according to whom?  According to your leaders who claim to be part of “Israel”, or those who claim that they are part of the Body of Christ.  This is the same thing as saying “the day of the Lord has arrived” – 2 Thess 2:3

Can you see this?  Can you see that this “day” doesn’t arrive until…

#1 – the rebellion occurs by the “man of lawlessness”

#2 – he sets himself up in the Temple of God. And where are the Temple “living stones found”?  The “man of lawlessness” must exalt himself over those who are “sons of God” – “gods” – the anointed! 2 Thess 2:4; John 10:34,35  How will this happen in the world of other religions and politics?

#3 –“the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth, and wipe out by the appearance of his coming” - the arrival of the day of the Lord.  (2 Thess 2:8)

Who has done this? Who has set himself up in the Temple of God?  No one other than THE ELDER BODY - THOSE MEN WHO CLAIM CLERGY PENITENT PRIVELEGE IN THE COURT SYSTEMS!

 Clergy:  “religious leaders, especially Christian PRIESTS, ministers, etc”

EVEN THOUGH ONLY THE ANOINTED ARE APPOINTED BY GOD AS PRIESTS, YOUR ELDERS HAVE ASSUMED THIS ROLE AND IT IS THE DISGUSTING THING STANDING WHERE IT DOESN’T BELONG!  (Dan 11:23, 31-33; Mark 13:14; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  THEY ARE NOT ASSIGNED BY GOD TO BE PRIESTS, OR TO REPRESENT THE ANOINTED!  (Ezek 28:2; Rev 11:1,2)

THIS ORGANIZATION HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGAN IN 1914, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TO IGNORE, ‘NOT TO BE EASILY SHAKEN’, ACCORDING TO 2 THESS 2:2

THIS ORGANIZATION IS WHERE THE “MAN OF LAWLESSNESS” IS FOUND. GOD’S WORD SAYS THAT ANYONE WHO REPLACES HIS APPOINTED PRIESTS WILL BE DESTROYED.  (NUM 3:10)

2 THESS 2:1-4 PROVES THAT 1914 IS A LIE! 

STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!

 

19 hours ago, BroRando said:

Today, those who have followed the steps of Judas Iscariot are referred to as the man of lawlessness who make the false claim they are part of the 'Body of Christ'. (2 Thessalonians 2:3)

Do you realize that your magazines apply Eph 4:7,8 to the elder body?  Yes, they do!     Do you believe the elders received these gifts?  Not according to Eph 4:4,11,12.  Your elders not only act as priests but as the anointed Body of Christ.  They may as well call themselves anointed!

"He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change times and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.[e] 26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’"  Dan 7:25-27

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Witness said:

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."   Matt 7:13,14

The word "narrow" can mean "trouble, afflict, suffer tribulation".  Jesus was telling us that the act of leaving...the broad road of destruction where false prophets have led God's people into spiritual famine...to follow his teachings, IS the advent of the great tribulation.  

 

The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12

But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.

"Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10

Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.

 

 

20 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

Can you imagine how many people will have been turned away from God by the stumbling blocks of the Watchtower / JW org ???????? The guilt that the Watchtower / JW Org and GB must carry for all their lies and false prophecies. 

 

18 hours ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

That guilt will also include every single JW that continues to seek guidance from the governing body:

”False prophets and those who seek their guidance will all be punished for their sins.” Ezekiel 14:10

Thank you for Ezek 14:10.
"The word of the Lord came to me: 13 “Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals, 14 even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord."  Ezek 14:12-14

We already see the effect of spiritual famine in the organization.  Their magazines are becoming less with each year.  They rely on the influence of sight, sound, and emotional persuasion in their videos.  They don't rely on God or God's word in Jesus Christ.  

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."   Matt 7:13,14

The word "narrow" can mean "trouble, afflict, suffer tribulation".  Jesus was telling us that the act of leaving...the broad road of destruction where false prophets have led God's people into spiritual famine...to follow his teachings, IS the advent of the great tribulation.  

 

18 hours ago, Witness said:

They know nothing, but pretend they do.  And we know how far that has gotten them. 

I take this back.  They know more than I give them credit for.   They have tried to shut down Pearl Doxsey's  blog many times over the years.  They have stolen phrases from her writings and incorporated them in their talks.  It is as Splane said, "this is war" - of truth against their lies.   They are diligent at sending out their spies to shut down all who reveal their lies.  

2 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

I actually think it is very sad that JWs continue to deliberately sin, just becasue they don't know a 'better way' to live. 

 

This couldn't have been more clear.  

I think that they put the total blame for failed teachings on the leadership.  I have even heard JWs question if they are guilty or not, for following leaders who sorely miss the mark.  The reigns are so tight, that no matter what is taught, they feel obligated to recognize those whom they have been told "Jehovah" has picked to lead them...and of course, as it is always brought up, these men are "imperfect".  What a strong, persuasive trap that has developed.  

"Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience."  Eph 5:6

"The same judgment will happen
to both people and priests.
I will punish them for their ways
and repay them for their deeds."  Hos 4:9

"Then I heard another voice from heaven:

Come out of her, my people,
so that you will not share in her sins
or receive any of her plagues.
5 For her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes."   Rev 18:4,5

 

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Well, Witness ....

By not being able to recommend something better, you are like a handheld GPS with no batteries.

... useless.

 

I’ve been here 5-6 years and left several links to articles explaining why the Wt exists, and where truth can be found, and what to expect for spiritual food in the last days. I can’t give you an address, I can give you a website.  I have left links to spiritual food offered by one chosen by God, to reveal the end time message to His people. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)   I haven’t kept it a secret, but I’m not sure what you want, another organization?  This isn’t God’s plan. (John 4:24) I am part of a small congregation that understands what is about to happen to the GB and then to the organization. (Rev 19:20) They know that the “man of lawlessness” evident in the organization as the elder body, will be destroyed by God’s word in Jesus Christ ,at his coming. (2 Thess 2:7,8)  They know that truth is being restored.   We are close to all of these things being fulfilled.  This is the time not only of the great tribulation, but of the “marriage feast”, and all are invited.

Think about it.  The Wt. admits that Revelation's scrolls won't be opened until...after Armageddon?  And they tell JWs that these scrolls hold information that will be used in the Kingdom?  No.  These scrolls EXPLAIN Revelation. (Dan 8:26)  They explain what Armageddon is about.  Since these men have no insight, who told them that the scrolls  haven't been opened by Christ yet?  And what about the "marriage feast of the Lamb"?  When is that to occur?  Do they know?  They know nothing, but pretend they do.  And we know how far that has gotten them.  There are inspired anointed ones today, who are given understanding of what to expect in the last days.  

You are wise to see the hypocrisy and can detect the lies.  I just think your faith is somewhat lacking. I think we all struggle with that at times. We let our own desires rule our spiritual decisions, instead of letting God and Christ lead us where we should go.   I haven’t held back the invitation to understanding, but always offer it to anyone interested who is leaving the Wt.  (Matt 22:8,9)  The “marriage feast” is the opening of Revelation’s scrolls. (Rev 1:1,2; 5:9,10) It is insight into God's Word.  It tells us how the message of all of the prophets comes together at the time of the end.  (Rev 22:6)   I still encourage you to have faith and approach God.  Ask Him if I am wrong.  If you truly want to know where to find truth, ask Him.

4 hours ago, xero said:

Strikes me that opposers are hanging on to the organization like a drunk man does to keep from stumbling.

Not really.  Opposers have learned something, they have realized facts about their life in the organization.  They have realized that they have been told a lie.  They are rather sober now, when before they couldn’t discern a lie from a truth if their life depended on it – and it does. (2 Thess 2:9-12)   That is drunkenness and JWs suffer from it. (Isa 5:18-23)  Opposers speak up, because they now know the other side of Wt’s truth.  The Lie.  They may not all understand  the full story of why the organization exists, but after being convinced they had “the truth”, only to find out that truth and the darkness of false doctrine cannot harmonize, they are compelled to expose what they know.   (2 Cor 6:14)   Many don’t use the right methods to do so, but neither do JWs employ the right methods to squash the opposers, as we see with @BroRando , A. Morris, D. Splane, G. Losch, S. Lett, M. Sanderson, G. Jackson, S. Herd, and K. Cook. 

https://pearl-anillustration.blogspot.com/

43 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

We all know that Jesus was very concerned about the Christian Congregation ... so ..... if Jehovah's Witnesses, warts, scabs, drool and all, are not with whom we should be associating with ...... then who?

Specifically?

Where and who, ( a name, address, zip code is the specificity required) is the Congregation that is the "real deal"?

Give me  a better choice, and I will leave what I know in a New York second.

But I will need to know why the better choice really is the better choice.

Without specific proof of something better, your very best observations, reasoning, and logic is nothing more than light entertainment.

No more.

 

 

Your first approach is to ask God, in sincerity.  Mal 3:10

You need more scriptures.  Matt 7:7,8; John 8:31,32, and consider reading uninhibited, the Greek scriptures.  

God doesn't disappoint if our hearts are truly searching for truth. 

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

So then what you are saying is that it is your purpose in life to piss on something without offering anything better—to take away but not give. Isn’t that sort of a pathetic occupation for a grown man?

 

He already offered you something better.  Jesus Christ.  

 

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

If you believe in Jesus, then I guess it has become clear to you that he has the words of life, and that he is the way, the truth and the life. You are burdened with the idea of an (old, new) organization that should/would resemble the one you now belong to.

I don't think it's clear to him, otherwise he would consider that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life and the only WAY to the Father.  John 14:6