6 hours ago, Arauna said:

Are you calling all the core teachings such as Jehovah's name, mortality of the soul, Babylon the great, political neutrality and much more ... untrustworthy? 

Most are untrustworthy, except a few, but the one "core" teaching that "captured" me, was the righteous living on a cleansed earth forever. This includes the anointed who once sealed, are both spirit and human.  This promise was given to Jacob, the grandson of Abraham - Jacob is "Israel".  "Israel" are the anointed. (Gen 28:10-17; John 1:51; Rom 9:6-9; Gal 4:26,28; 1 Pet 1:23) 

 But, "Jehovah's name"?  What, speaking a hybrid form of the tetragrammaton?  That means nothing.  Knowing God through His righteous decrees, His Son and His teachings, mean everything.  That, is more important that saying, "Jehovah".  

Babylon the great...

There are two choices of covenants – one of life in Jesus Christ  and the Father, (New Covenant) and one of death in Satan.  You remember that “women” are covenants/promises. You said so yourself a while back.  Gal 4:26

“Babylon the Great” is a promise - another “woman”. (Rev 17:5)  Those under this promise are her “children”.  “She” has “daughters”, who are spiritual harlots just as their “mother” is. (Rev 17:3,4)

The New Covenant promise of life, also has “children”.  This “mother” has “daughters”/spiritual virgins who when united with their Bride, Jesus Christ, introduce the rest of God’s children into the Kingdom.

Each covenant produces “seed”.  Gen 3:15

 Isa 28:15 describes the covenant of death:

You boast, “We have entered into a covenant with death,
    with the realm of the dead we have made an agreement.
When an overwhelming scourge sweeps by,
    it cannot touch us,
for we have made a lie our refuge
    and falsehood our hiding place.”

The Pharisees as part of God’s Israel, were under this covenant. They relied on their lies and rejected life in Jesus Christ.  But saying that Christendom is “Babylon the Great” is really a misnomer, since we are individually under the promise that we choose. It depends on our heart’s desire for truth or for lies. (2 Thess 2:9-12)   The Catholic Church teaches the trinity.  Is this why you might say they are part of “Babylon” and the Wt. is not?  How is that teaching any worse than the predicted doctrines of 1975, 1914, 1925, 1932…as dates for Armageddon, and all their correlated teachings?  Or, the many failures of the generation teaching?  Are they not all lies? Can JWs discern a lie from truth?  God’s holy people must look at their own “house” under Jesus Christ. (Eph 2:20-22) The anointed Body of Christ is under scrutiny for accepting, believing and teaching falsehoods under a spiritual “harlot”.  (Rev 13:11,12; Rev 17:1,2 ) The Wt. is a haven for its lies and its hidden sins, and JWs have been trained to turn their eyes away from their own “Babylon”.  Your leaders have always pointed the accusing finger to those on the “outside”. 1 Cor 5:12,13

Political neutrality, and I suppose you mean fighting in wars...  

Personally, I don’t condone military combat and I don't get involved in the news of politics as you do; but, if JWs are not going to war, taking up arms, does this cover over a multitude of falsehoods? Does not going to war make you, “no part of the world”? The Pharisees didn’t go to war. About wanting Jesus killed, they said "it is not lawful for us to put anyone to death".  (John 18:31) The leaders handed him over to the Gentiles; much like your leadership hands over anointed priests to spiritual “Gentiles”/elders, who are then symbolically “killed”, for turning to Jesus Christ and rejecting the organization’s falsehoods. (Mark 15:15; Matt 27:27-37;  John 18:31; 16:2; Rev 13:15;11:1-3,7)

Jesus told the Jews that they were part of the world.   “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. ²⁴ Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:23,24

When Jesus’ teachings are rejected for the teachings of man, such as the pattern your leadership has developed, they and their believers, become “part of the world”.

There are three instances where (political) soldiers were not judged for their position, but judged according to their faith in the truth and in Jesus Christ. John the Baptist was asked by soldiers, “And what shall we do?” So he said to them, “Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages.” Luke 3:14

In the account where Jesus healed the servant of a centurion soldier, he said,  “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!”   Matt 8:10

And we have the account of Cornelius, the centurion who, with all those with him, received the gift of Holy Spirit. (Acts 10:44-46)

Harlot and Beast

52 minutes ago, Arauna said:

You may lose everlasting life because you want super perfection

Jesus expects us to desire truth, since truth contains eternal life.  Why else would he encourage us to seek and ask for it, as for hid treasure?  Matt 7:7,8

 Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him."  John 7:16-18

Each wrong teaching, wrong doctrine of Wt's leadership proves they speak "on their own"...for their own personal glory.  A "man of truth", a man whose words are not falsehoods/ever changing teachings, would speak in harmony with Christ's truths.  Their teachings would remain.

My son, if you accept my words
    and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
    and applying your heart to understanding—
3 indeed, if you call out for insight
    and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
    and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
    and find the knowledge of God.
6 For the Lord gives wisdom;
    from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.
7 He holds success in store for the upright,
    he is a shield to those whose walk is blameless,
8 for he guards the course of the just
    and protects the way of his faithful ones.  Proverbs 2

3 hours ago, Pudgy said:

I will stipulate that among Jehovah's Witnesses the basic core truths are infinitely valuable, as well as the discipline afforded by advice of the Governing Body as to virtue, morality and righteous principles.

Is it virtuous, is it morally right to manipulate people's minds by telling them to "trust" in their guidance because 'Jehovah trusts the slave'...when it is clear by their history, that their teachings are  untrustworthy?  I can go to the Catholic church and receive guidance from the monsignor on virtue, morality and righteous principles.  They too, preach of the Kingdom to come.  They also preach that it is imperative to be baptized into their "organization", but we know they cannot lead us into truth, and neither can the Wt.  None of these man-made "mountains" contain lasting truth.   John 4:21-24

14 hours ago, Anna said:

As we see, there are a number of rather embarrassing statements made here.

7 hours ago, Arauna said:

I think all you guys on here who live in the past - without context-  have something missing from your thinking processes - to state it bluntly.  History mongers - looking through past actions and words with a fine tooth and judging it by today's standards.

JWs are promoting the organization’s embarrassments by advertising their website in your letter writing campaign.  It is a cauldron of confusion.  How can you so confidently say "all you guys on here who live in the past...have something missing from your thinking process", when you encourage people to enter the website that includes its past teachings?  Do you warn them not to do research from 1990 back?  Do you apologize ahead of time for the embarrassing doctrines, before a newly interested one opens the sugar-coated cover, that appears as light and truth?  What was once a true teaching is now a lie.  What was once a lie, is still a lie.  Researching the timeline of the generation teaching is like watching a game of ping pong...and there is yet to be a winner. 

There is no clear path to solid lasting truth - "fruit" -  in the website. (Matt 7:15-20) Making excuses for their blunders by saying "Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food" ...is a lie, and JWs have fallen for it.

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

6 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.    John 15

If an anointed teacher asks for truth - fruit that lasts - would Jesus disappoint one of his disciples by giving them understanding that turns out to be an embarrassment?  Making excuses for the organization's historical blunders, is demeaning the power of truth in Jesus Christ.  John 14:6

On 6/30/2021 at 1:42 PM, BroRando said:

"First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires." (2 Peter 3:3)

On 6/30/2021 at 1:42 PM, BroRando said:

When the Sealing of the 144,000 concludes in 2033, whatcha you gonna do?  Oh my!

"Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the Lord. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the Lord.  Jer 23:32

On 6/27/2021 at 3:17 PM, ApostaBabe Linda James said:

So my question is, Who in their right mind gave the devil "all the Kingdoms of the world?" Who would even have the authority to give "all the Kingdoms of the world" to the devil? Who thought this through and came up with this grand plan to give "all the Kingdoms of the world to the devil? Who's Infinite Wisdom was behind this decision of giving the devil "all the Kingdoms of the world? Were there some form of conditions that must be followed when having all their authority and splendor?

That’s a good question, I can only offer my meager thoughts.  Jesus is light and life. (John 8:12) Satan is darkness and death. 

God gave not only Adam and Eve a choice of either life or death, but Satan also was given a choice.  Both Jesus as the Logos, and Satan were the “trees” in Adam and Eve’s inhabited sphere. (Gen 2:9) God, through the Logos, warned them of Satan’s “fruit” or teachings. (John 1:10-12,14; Matt 7:15-20) He told them not to “eat” of his tree; not to take in his lies.  Jesus is the “tree of life”, but they chose to listen to the father of the lie.  (Rev 22:14; John 8:44)

 ^“Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all people, because all sinned."  Rom 5:12

Satan gained authority over the “world” of humankind, because darkness and death reigned.  As soon as Adam and Eve sinned, war broke out between “seeds” (Gen 3:15) We know the war culminates when “death is destroyed”. (1 Cor 15:26)   This means, Satan’s reign comes to an end – not a literal thousand years later during the reign of the Kingdom of God where “death will be no more”, as the Wt. has convinced millions to believe. (Isa 33:1; Rev 20:10; 21:4)

When Jesus came he said, “I have told you these things so that in me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world.”  John 16:33

Rom 5:14-21 -  Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam’s transgression. He is a type of the Coming One.  (1 Cor 15:22,45)

¹⁵ But the gift is not like the trespass. For if by the one man’s trespass the many died, how much more have the grace of God and the gift which comes through the grace of the one man Jesus Christ overflowed to the many. ¹⁶ And the gift is not like the one man’s sin, because from one sin came the judgment, resulting in condemnation, but from many trespasses came the gift, resulting in justification.^[e] 17 If by the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

¹⁸ So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is justification leading to life for everyone. ¹⁹ For just as through one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. ²⁰ The law came along to multiply the trespass. But where sin multiplied, grace multiplied even more ²¹ so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness, resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” 

But, although this offer by Satan of power and riches in Luke 4:5,6  can be taken up by anyone, it is specifically a gift of authority not over the “kosmos”/world, but over the “inhabited earth” – see Greek meaning for "world".  Whenever we find “inhabited earth” in the scriptures, it refers to God’s homeland, His people.  Each anointed one is the “dwelling” of His Spirit. (1 Cor 3:16)  Since the first century when Jesus established the foundation of the Temple/dwelling “land” in the anointed, it refers to “Israel”, the holy priesthood.  (Ps 26:8; John 14:23; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:9)

“Kingdoms” have kings, the anointed are “kings” within God’s “land”. Satan has asked to “sift” them as wheat.

“And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired (“demand”) to have you, that he may sift you as wheat” (Luke 22:31)

He has been given authority to do so, just as God gave him authority to “test” Job.  (Luke 22:31; Job 1:8-12) The early anointed ones conquered him through their faith in Christ and truth. (Luke 10:19; Rev 12:10) Yes, in those days, he had them physically killed, yet they gained eternal life.   But, for the final anointed in the last days, this means deception and a trap, a new plan to eternally destroy those in Christ. (Rev 12:1-4,15)  He’s very close to losing his own kingdom/rule of sin and death.  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)  What better way to deceive them, than by first winning over a few to do his bidding, to be his “ministers of light”.  (2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15; 1 Tim 4:1; Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11)  There is no doubt that these ones have riches, power and authority over the unsealed “kings of the earth”, which we see played out in the organization.  (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10) (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,14,15; 16:13-16)  They too, have a choice, to either remain under the rule of men, or turn to Jesus Christ their Head, and chief cornerstone of the Temple of God.  (Acts 4:11; Eph 2:19-22) (Rev 18:4-8)  But we know how tough it is to just walk away. (Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7)

Gal 1:3,4 –  ^“Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, ⁴ who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father”

Rom 8:18-22 – “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. ¹⁹ For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. ²⁰ For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; ²¹ because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. ²² For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.”

Is God's foreknowledge to blame for the consequences of sin?

4 hours ago, JW Insider said:

To tell you the truth, I saw BroRando's last comment to Srecko and thought it was very much out of character for BroRando, since BroRando rarely presents himself the way he did in that post.

Not necessarily.

Under the topic 4Jah2me <> Cesar Chavez, he stated:

"Sinning against Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin 4Jah2me. That is why you're weeping and gnashing your teeth. Enjoy the hot bath... 🥵"

There was another similar one directed to me, but I can't find it.  It was at the end of one of his posts where he then closed it to further comments.

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

You should have read the last comment from Rando that he sent me. It was troubling what this man thought of those who thought differently from him. And how he allows himself to pronounce a severe condemnation/judgement of another.

I read his comment to you and I had prepared an answer for him but found the thread had disappeared.  He is much like his spiritual “fathers” who set prophetic dates and time tables – all of which have not come true.  Has he not learned from the examples set by his leaders?  Now, if this had been someone in another religion doing the same, that person would be criticized and labeled a “false prophet”. 

w59 7/1 p. 389-390

#1:  Not all persons who have claimed to be Jehovah’s prophets were actually inspired by him. Regarding such false prophets in Israel Ezekiel said: “Thus says the Lord GOD, Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! They have spoken falsehood and divined a lie; they say, ‘Says the LORD,’ when the LORD has not sent them, and yet they expect him to fulfil their word.” (Ezekl 13:3,6, RS) Jeremiah spoke similar condemnation against the false prophets who said Jerusalem would not fall. He said: “Do not listen to your prophets and to your practicers of divination and to your dreamers and to your practicers of magic and to your sorcerers, who are saying to you: ‘You men will not serve the king of Babylon.’ For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you.”—Jer 27:9,10.

As there were false prophets then, so there are today. They will not hesitate to delude people into believing that they have knowledge of the future. An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”

#2:  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. w17 February p. 26

In #1, the truth is spoken.  All JWs read it, and heard it during their study.  In #2, the excuses for errors made by those who actually wrote the truth in #1, is the accepted protocol. 

YET, they themselves state “an accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people”. 

Who really, will be weeping and gnashing their teeth for their hypocrisy?  (Luke 12:54-56; Matt 24:48-51)

By the way, the Wt. teaches that those who enter the organization have left Babylon the Great. 

“For falsehood is what they are prophesying to you”  Jer 27:10

Is there a Faithful Slave?

32 minutes ago, Thinking said:

That was not about believers but amongst believers amongst unbelievers…read the context .

 

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In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it.

Malachi chapter 3

Who is it that is being visited by a "messenger"? (Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3)  Who is receiving the message?

The royal priesthood ("elect") must be cleansed. (Mal 3:1-4) Tell me, if they believe in proven falsehoods spoken by the GB, are they not in danger of losing their prospect of eternal life?  (Jer 23:16; Matt 24:23-26)

This is why Jesus predicted a division among  Israel in his day, and "Israel" and those with them, today.  (Luke 12:51)

“Your words against me are harsh,” says the Lord.

Yet you ask, “What have we spoken against you?”

14 You have said, “It is useless to serve God. What have we gained by keeping his requirements and walking mournfully before the Lord of Armies? 15 So now we consider the arrogant t be fortunate. Not only do those who commit wickedness prosper, they even test God and escape.”

It is wickedness in God's eyes to lead people into believing false dates and prophesies.  You may forget them, but He doesn't.  (Jer 14:10; Hos 9:9)

In light of these sins, JWs praise a literal man-made rendition of the tetragrammaton, and not give praise to the God of Truth.  

16 At that time those who feared the Lord spoke to one another. The Lord took notice and listened. So a book of remembrance was written before him for those who feared the Lord and had high regard for his name. 17 “They will be mine,” says the Lord of Armies, “my own possession on the day I am preparing. I will have compassion on them as a man has compassion on his son who serves him. 18 So you will again see the difference between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve him.

In the organization, God's requirements about His priesthood have not been kept.  Under the counterfeit priesthood/elder body, His sanctuary/Temple in the anointed has been trampled.  THAT is the body - the "church" that should be unified in the scripture you quote.  Instead, it is scattered among you; "living stones", left not one upon another.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Matt 13:2)

On 6/16/2021 at 7:59 PM, BroRando said:

We also get 1914 from another 'timed event' that occurred. But when you add the Last Days of Noah, what do you get for the Last Days of this Age? 1914 + 120 yrs = 2034

Then in a vision of the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel; then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.

20 Daniel said:

“Let his name, the name of God, be blessed throughout the ages,
    for the wisdom and the power are his.
21 And he changes the times and the seasons,
    and he deposes kings and he sets up kings;
he gives wisdom to wise men
    and knowledge to men who know understanding.
22 He reveals the deep and the hidden things;
    he knows what is in the darkness,
    and the light dwells with him."  Dan chapter 2

10 hours ago, BroRando said:

Walk away from those who Jesus Christ has deemed hypocrites.

I already have. 

Well, you didn't answer my question. 

8 hours ago, Witness said:

Question for you, @BroRando, if you do believe that the anointed are the spiritual Temple built on the Body of Christ, what do you say about your GB member, Gerrit Loesch, insisting that every JW is of the spiritual Temple?  Do you feel it is apparent that he is denying the truth about who comprise the Temple/dwelling place of God?

But perhaps you do agree with Gerrit Loesh, since you brought up the great crowd and asked the question, “Would You like to be a Member of the Great Crowd that survives the Last Days?"

You didn’t specify that the great crowd are the sealed anointed priests, who successfully come out of the great tribulation.  Are they not the only ones to serve in the Temple/sanctuary of God?

Num 18:19 – “The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your family are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the priesthood."

"You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again."

"But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death."

All the offerings of the holy [gifts,] which the sons of Israel offer to the LORD, I have given to you and your sons and your daughters with you, as a permanent allotment. It is a permanent covenant of salt before the LORD to you and your descendants with you."  Num 18:1,5,7, 18

So, Rev 7:13-15 reads:   Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

¹⁴ I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. ¹⁵ Therefore,

“they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
    will shelter them with his presence.”

Why did you leave out verse 15, showing that it is the sealed anointed “living stones” who serve in the God’s Temple?   They, are the great crowd who successfully come out of the great tribulation. They are the ones who are victorious over the Beast. ( Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7,11,12; 15:2) This is why they are “great”, “which no man could number” – only God will number them, not a man.  Do you know this, but are afraid to say the GB are wrong about who comprise the great crowd?  Is that why you didn't cite the verse?

Do you believe God would break His covenant with the priesthood ,and allow others to serve Him "in the temple". This isn't a literal temple, since it is built with priestly "living stones", and includes Jesus and the Father.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 21:22-24) The anointed ARE the Temple/dwelling of God under their Head, High Priest and chief cornerstone.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22  They are one in Christ, Christ is one with the Father.  (John 10:30; 17:22,23)

Jer 33:20,21  "This is what the Lord says: ‘If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne. "

 Are you an anointed priest?  Shouldn’t we serve/worship God “in spirit and in TRUTH”?  John 4:24

Exod 40:15 - “Anoint them just as you anointed their father, so they may serve me as priests. Their anointing will be to a priesthood that will continue throughout their generations.”

Great Crowd Serves in the Temple

It would be appreciated if you could just answer me with words.  I don't intend to read your whole book to find it, because you concentrate on dates, which the Bible warns us against.  Acts 1:7. Interestingly, the man of lawlessness who rules over the Temple members of God, sets his own times and laws.  We see that clearly in the organization, setting various times for Armageddon, and certainly instituting their own decrees related to "organization". Dan 7:25  

18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

shaky ground.

True comment.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."  2 Tim 4:3,4

"sound doctrine" - basically meaning "healthy" doctrine. It can refer to "Christians whose opinions are free from error".  

Healthy teachings are good spiritual food, good "fruit". (Matt 7:15-20)  Unhealthy teachings lead to spiritual sickness, even death.  But, if a leader/teacher who isn't producing sound doctrine because he is pursuing his own desires, does he really care if he is the cause of sickness and death in others?

Heb 12:15 - "See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

 Rev 8:10,11 - "The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] ("bitter substance")  A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter."

Question for you, @BroRando, if you do believe that the anointed are the spiritual Temple built on the Body of Christ, what do you say about your GB member, Gerrit Loesch, insisting that every JW is of the spiritual Temple?  Do you feel it is apparent that he is denying the truth about who comprise the Temple/dwelling place of God?

1 Pet 2:5 -  ^"you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house^[a] to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

^[a] - into a temple of the Spirit

Eph 2:19 - Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.  In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 

14 hours ago, BroRando said:

Pentecost happened on 33 CE + 2000 yrs = 2033 CE the third day begins 2034.

Perhaps this is why the GB are so excited about Ramapo.    They've got time to finish it and benefit from it.  And is this why Anna said she has heard that it is now the thought that Armageddon may take up to 20 more years before arriving.

I see A. Morris sitting back comfortably, relishing his fleshly desires to build. 

6 hours ago, Arauna said:

 Then one can identify where we are in stream of time and who is the king of the North in this time. 

King of the north":

abomination of desolation, the sacrifices have been removed.   Dan 9:27 

disgusting thing standing in the holy place, Matt 24:24. "Gentiles" standing in the temple.  

abomination of desolation standing where it doesn't belong, Mark 13:14  "Gentiles" standing in the temple. 

The man of lawlessness who exalts himself and sits/rules over the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4 "Gentiles", standing/ruling /sitting in the Temple.

"holy place"=Temple of God

Temple of God:  1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22

Where are we, in the stream of time?  And who is standing where they don't belong; who is ruling over the TEMPLE of "living stones", the anointed? 

THE ELDER BODY, who "represent God's priesthood" . Who act as priests, who judge the royal priesthood, who spiritually "kill" the royal priesthood for not worshipping the "Beast"  - "Jehovah's spirit-directed organization" - that makes war against them. (Rev 13:6,7

But let no one come into the house of the Lord except the priests and those of the Levites who serve. They may go in, for they are holy; but all the people shall keep the watch of the Lord.  And the Levites shall surround the king on all sides, every man with his weapons in his hand; and whoever comes into the house, let him be put to death. You are to be with the king when he comes in and when he goes out.” 2 Chron 23:6,7

 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. 1Cor 3:16,17; 1 Pet 2:5,9

Rev 11:1,2 - Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

7 hours ago, Arauna said:

After Armageddon we will see how Jehovah predicted everything spot on. 

God didn't predict that the UN is the image of the Beast, abomination standing in the holy place, man of lawlessness, disgusting thing, Beast of Rev. 13:1.  That is your prediction.  God predicted that His priesthood/saints would be surrounded - by deceitful men who rule over them, and who feed them lies. 

Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-9

6 hours ago, Arauna said:

They just tell us the " image of the beast" is the UN and give biblical reasons for it. 

Rev 13:15 – "It (the false prophet, Rev 13:11,12) was permitted to give breath (spirit-breathed) to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed." 

What false prophet do you know of, that christened/inspired the United Nations with a spirit? 

Does the UN project a religious "image" of being spirit directed?

How many people have been killed by the UN lately for refusing to “worship” it?

The other day, my son video-taped his visit to a car wash. To accompany the ride, he chose endearing music from a movie about the journeys of a stuffed toy bear. I have always had dubious concerns of ground water pollution from copious amounts of rainbow-colored soap and the excess waste of water. However, while watching his video, I was fascinated how the merging of color, water and music transformed a trip to the carwash, into a captivating fantasy ride of illusion. It was enjoyable to watch, and it effectively drew my attention away from the harm those chemicals could cause to the environment.

Recently, the “king of the north” spoken of in the book of Daniel, was the topic of May’s broadcast. (Dan 11:13) The organization’s leaders are progressive experts at creating illusions, to keep their untrustworthy teachings fresh and appealing. (Isa 30:10) Just as my son’s video of combined special effects drew my attention away from my previous skepticism, it appears the governing leaders were doing their best to squelch all doubts about the “king’s” identity, that a JW may possibly harbor in their heart. (1 John 4:1) 

They have spun a great big story about its various players, complete with a fancy chart, news clips from past wars, background music and firsthand experiences. The end result pulls one’s attention away from the real danger lurking among JWs. (Neh 6:10-13; Jer 14:14; John 10:7-13; 2 Tim 4:3,4) 

Since 1870, this king has changed its identity three times. It is very convenient that actions in the world have aided in fulfilling a physical display of this king, that has persecuted JWs over the years. It surely has satisfied the need for the organization to prophesy falsehoods. (Prov 26:28) Now, it is said that Russia and its allies “may well be the king of the north”. Despite the fanfare announcing the king’s identity, it appears the governing speaker left the door ajar for “new light”. (Isa 50:10; 59:9) There “may well be”’ another king of the north in the future; but by their profound proposition, once hearing this video JWs will believe it is a fact that Russia is the present king of the north. 

The anointed priesthood is under the New Covenant in Christ. This covenant promise is referred to as “New Jerusalem”/“Jerusalem above” – heavenly Jerusalem. (Heb 8:6-10; 9:15; Gal 4:26; Rev 3:12) 

During the last days, it is prophesied that God’s holy people are confronted by a large army that rules over them. Would it be recognized as a military army suppressing not only JWs, but other religions in a specific area, which has happened in Russia? (Joel 2:1,2,6; Rev 9:3,4,7,8; Ps 57:4; Rev 13:5-7; 16:13-16; 20:7-9) 

What did Jesus say about this tribulation that would come upon the saints in the last days?

Matt 24:4,5,24,25 - Jesus answered them, “Be careful not to let anyone deceive you. 5 Many will come using my name. They will say, ‘I am the Messiah (“anointed”),’ and they will deceive many people.”

“False messiahs and false prophets will appear. They will work spectacular, miraculous signs and do wonderful things to deceive, if possible, even those whom God has chosen. Listen! I’ve told you this before it happens.”

Any time in the past when armies and nations were allowed to conquer or take captive God’s chosen people, they had strayed from His decrees. We see this pattern of discipline throughout the Hebrew scriptures. If the warning call that was spoken through His prophets was unheeded, God removed His spiritual protection, and the enemy victimized Israel. (2 Kings 17:5-17; Isa 58:1) The practice of idolatry and listening to false prophets/teachers was the primary reason for their suffering, and was viewed by God as spiritual harlotry. (Deut 32:15; Ezek 13:8,10,12; 16:26-29; 20:21,30,32; Exod 32:2-6; 1 Cor 10:7,8) 

But today’s enemy that God has allowed to overcome the saints, brings about the great tribulation. (Zech 8:9,10; Dan 12:1; Matt 24:21,22) This enemy uses a different tactic, other than the obvious. (Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:2-4,13,14; 2 Thess 2:9-10; Rev 13:13,14) 

The anointed have fallen captive to fabricated stories about an organization that will lead its devoted members into the Kingdom to come. Although Jesus and the apostles tell God’s servants to be on the lookout for false teachers who would deceive the elect, in the last 150 years the anointed and thousands along with them, were taken captive, nonetheless. (Ezek 21:24; Matt 24:11; Luke 21:24; 2 Pet 2:1-3; 2 Tim 4:3,4;Eph 5:6; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10) 

Yes, today, through the allurement of theories, charts, news clips and videos, the attention of God’s people is directed away from the spiritual war at hand. (Ps 36:3; 101:7;Prov 11:9;26:24-26; Jer 23:25,32) (1 Pet 5:8,9; James 4:7; Rev 13:5-7; 12:3,4,15) 

Although God’s anointed have sinned, this time their sins are not so apparent, since they believe they are rightly preaching the good news, and living by God’s standards. (Lam 2:14 :Isa 30:10; 6:10; Zech 7563:11 ) They take comfort in trusting the seemingly righteous “slave”, as their leaders are called, is providing “food at the proper time”. (Isa 28:1,7,8,14,15; Amos 8:11; 2 Chron 15:3; Rev 6:5,6,8; 18:8; 13:17) 

We remember the prediction that Jesus proclaimed against Jerusalem:

Luke 21:20 - “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains. Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it, 22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written.”

For those under the new covenant, does this prediction contain any spiritual merit today?

Consider the massive world-wide army at large within the organization. To paraphrase a book about remaining “in God’s love”, it describes the survival of an army as dependent on full obedience and cooperation toward the hierarchy of command. It then states that within that organization, compromising could put each soldier of the army in danger. The book describes “Jehovah’s” appointed servants as an army. This army of servants, is the elder body. Rebelling against appointed elders whom they say God “has put in authority over us” will put everyone at risk. The hierarchy of command must be respected.

Is the anointed “royal priesthood” exempt from this human authority placed over JWs? (1 Pet 2:5,9) No. Their role as God’s priests, has become quite insignificant and meaningless. (Isa 21:10; Dan 11:31; 2 Thess 2:4; 2 Cor 11:20) 

In a discussion about the anointed ruling as active priests today (Mal 2:7), one JW here recently said, “do we not have enough spirit of God? What if they are pretending to be anointed and start to lord it over the sheep?” Isn’t it interesting how she cannot envision the pretentious counterfeit priesthood in the elder body, lording it over all JWs, especially the anointed Temple dwelling of God. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) She apparently suffers from a false sense of “peace and security”, believing fully that God’s spirit has abundantly blessed the organization. (Jer 6:14; 1 Thess 5:3)

Under the rule of a wicked slave, the anointed are beat down into silence. (Jer 23:1,2,11; Matt 24:48-51)  These “living stones” have forfeited their “princely” role to become slaves of men who demand their obedience. (Eccl 10:5-7; Joel 1:6; Rev 9:7,8; Ps 57:4; Prov 24:15,16; John 10:7,8) Those that do stand and speak out supporting their Head Jesus Christ and his truths; those who proclaim that their people are downtrodden, and explain why, are then disfellowshipped. (Prov 31:8,9; John 16:2; Rev 13:11,12,15) “New Jerusalem” is surrounded by this army of elders who have been granted full authority over them, by false prophets. 

In the latest monthly broadcast on the king of the north, it is hard to narrow it down to just one lie. They worked diligently to hide all truth, going so far as stating that this “king” has had three different identities since the 1870’s. What I find interesting is that their version of each king of the north, as physical nations persecuting JWs, were generally limited to the countries they mentioned – Germany, Soviet Union, and today, Russia. We don’t see JWs in the U.S., Canada, or the majority of other nations, suffering as those in Russia are presently experiencing. Does this really fulfill Bible prophesy as outlined in Daniel 11?

When God’s holy people are surrounded by the enemy of the north, this means that all of anointed “Israel” come under the dominate rule over them. Dan 10:14 and Gal 6:16 was referred to as spiritual Israel being the target of persecution, yet it was never clearly specified just who are “Israel”. (Rom 2:28,29) I can imagine that all JWs fully believe they are God’s chosen spiritual “Jews”, which only refers to the anointed priesthood/”living stones” of God’s Temple and Body of Christ. (1 Pet 2:5; Col 1:19; 2:9; John 14:23; 1 Cor 3:16; 6:19) I suppose this generalization helps support their theory of JWs suffering in Russia. 

To make their claim, it was necessary to select certain scriptures and apply them to each “king of the north” for its physical fulfillment. As a whole, one of the three identities could not fulfill all cited scriptures. Not so, when applying Daniel’s abomination of desolation/”disgusting thing” ruling over or ”sitting” in the Temple of God, which is the elder body. (Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) The “daily sacrifice” or “constant feature” has been removed from the anointed priests and replaced with sacrifices to an idol, offered by the counterfeit priesthood in the elder body. (Dan 11:31) 

However, the governing leader states that this “constant feature” was removed by Germany, which “hurled denunciations against the holy covenant.” The removal of this constant feature is said to be the limitation of JWs to preach in that country. Again, those under the holy New Covenant, are the anointed.

The "daily sacrifices" are connected to the priesthood selected by God, since it has been established. Under Aaron, these sacrifices provided atonement for sins on behalf of the people. Today, in the spiritual Temple of God, of which they are members of, they offer sacrifices of praise and truth. (Num 18:5,7, 8; Heb 10:11; 1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:9,10) 

To add to their lies, these leaders tell us that after WWII, the “disgusting thing standing in the holy place” (Matt 24:15) was set up by the Soviet Union, another king of the north, and Britain; that being, the United Nations. There is no holy place (God’s Temple /sanctuary or otherwise) in, or near the United Nations.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob/permalink/1011610505678879

The fourth Beast of Daniel, is the enemy of the north, and is Revelation’s Wild Beast from the Sea. (Dan 7:23; Rev 13:1,2) This enemy is described as locusts/scorpions in the book of Joel and in Rev. 9. It is the “man of lawlessness” in 2 Thess 2:3,4. Today’s “Israel” is spiritual; the “northern” enemy that God’s anointed fall captive under, are “Gentiles”. The organization claims the Gentile times ended in 1914. (Luke 21:24) Even when looking through their physical lens, how do they justify this, in the light of persecution JWs suffer in certain nations? And although they are in error of the identity of today’s “disgusting thing standing in the holy place”, (which originally was the Gentile Roman army invading Jerusalem and the temple) why do they claim it is present today, if the Gentile times are over? 

Pearl Doxsey:

First, the power of the Gentiles over ALL CHOSEN, is a common test which all are subjected to previous to being sealed, no matter when they live.

This is why Paul said that the "man of lawlessness" was already present in the first century (2 Thess 2:7). The "man of lawlessness" is Satan's seed, but it is Gentile (from the "sea") (not Chosen/anointed), symbolized by the Wild Beasts from the "sea" (Dan 7:3; Rev 13:1).

The fourth Beast has ten horns (Dan 7:7; Rev 13:1).... identical to its father, Satan (Rev 12:3). 

As such, the Wild Beast is Satan's son ("son of destruction" –2 Thess 2:3; Rev 9:11),

heir to Satan's dominion, as we see at Rev 13:1,2,4. The Gentile "man of lawlessness" is called the "son of destruction" (2 Thess 2:3). 

Satan is "destruction" (Rev 9:11; Isa 33:1; John 10:10). 

This "son" consists of the Gentiles that are raised up [by means of "weeds"/harlots/false prophets/wicked steward [Rev 9:1,3; 13:11,15; 17:7; 19:20; Dan 8:24]

…in the midst of the Holy Temple priesthood, and they trample it (Rev 11:2; 13:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 11:36,38; Jer 19:4) (Dan 11:23; Rev 13:14,15; 19:20). 

From “Gentile Times”/”Great Tribulation”/Cleansed Priesthood

It was stated in the broadcast, that C.T. Russel, the man who predicted Armageddon’s arrival in 1914, and who proclaimed the Great Pyramid of Giza as “God’s stone witness”, is said to have discarded teachings not based on the Bible. Unbelievably, his writings were compared to the early Christians who 'concentrated on truths in God’s word'. He and his group are said to be the “messenger” of Mal 3:1 who prepared the way “before Jehovah”. Jesus had commented that the first messenger to prepare the “way”, was John the Baptist, in the spirit of Elijah. (Mal 3:1; Matt 11:10; 17:10-13) 

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, ‘This is the one I spoke about when I said, “He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.”’) John 1:14,15

Why wasn’t the organization’s messenger preparing the way for the coming of God’s Son and representative, Jesus Christ?” The inspired message of “Elijah” that arrives in the last days, is to the anointed priesthood, whose “daily sacrifices” have been cut off by the “man of lawlessness”.  Through deceit, God’s anointed have allowed it to happen.  Jesus reminds them of this in Rev 3:8-13.  (Mal 3:1-6; Matt 25:1-13)     

Dan 11:38, is another cited scripture in the broadcast – “Instead, he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his ancestors did not know—with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.”

What organization of “fortresses”/towers, does the full leadership admonish JWs to give respect and honor to? No, this scripture is not fulfilled by the Soviet Union, that ‘tried to eliminate religion in the lands under its control’. It is fulfilled by the “mountainlike organization” that has thrown truth to the ground by trampling God's priests and the truth held in their hearts. (Dan 8:12) Faithful JWs will not abandon the idol they believe will bring them salvation. (Jer 2:11; 1:16; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4,15; Dan 8:24)

The leader mentioned a few times how the enemy comes against the “land of decoration”, defining this land as the entire activity of JWs, including worship through meetings and field ministry. (Dan 8:9; 11:16; 11:41) More appropriately, the translation for these scriptures should be the “beautiful”/”glorious”/”pleasant” land – God’s “land”/”inhabited earth” – the dwelling of His Spirit and Temple built on the body of Christ. (John 14:23;2:21; 1 Cor 3:9,16; Eph 2:20-22) 

Regarding this “man of lawlessness”/ enemy from the north, and his transgressions against God’s homeland, Dan 11:45 states:

“He will pitch his royal tents between the seas and the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.”

“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.” Dan 12:1

“And everyone who calls

on the name of the Lord will be saved;

for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem

there will be deliverance,

as the Lord has said,

even among the survivors

whom the Lord calls.” Joel 2:32

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"The Sign of the Son of Man"

Two Witnesses/"Elijah" and "Moses"

"World"/"Earth"/"Home"

How do we define the common phrase, “power trip”?

“A sustained and often aggressive exercise of power over others in order to boost one's stature or feeling of self-worth”

I want to share the following perspective of privileges and entitlement in the organization, made by an exjw on reddit. He described the progressive reality of power and authority, harboring in the hearts of the governing leaders. (Prov 25:6; Rom 2:8; Gal 6:3) 

These leaders presently ‘exercise all authority’ over the organization’s operations, yet the elder body is also given great authority over the anointed, replacing God’s chosen priests as the organization’s counterfeit priesthood. (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15-17) (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Dan 11:36) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Ezek 44:6-9)

This person relates the pervasive drive for men especially, to "reach out", be recognized and respected on all levels of the organization. The demands and expectations for select JWs to succeed in supporting the organization, are sourced with the men at the top. Although this progressive learning tool of control is exercised upon all JWs, it is an especially blasphemous act against God’s holy anointed priesthood. (Matt 24:24,25; 48-51; Rev 13:5-7; 11:1,2) 

“The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6 And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor; it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7 If you worship me, it will all be yours.” Luke 4:5,6

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Did you ever “serve” as an attendant at conventions? What about working the parking lot at assemblies or memorial? Did you or your dad routinely travel to other halls to give a Sunday talks? Did you ever work safety at quickbuilds? Did you ever have a part on the stage at an assembly or convention? Were you ever in a drama? Did you ever get to pass the emblems (or even partake)? If you got baptized, do you remember sitting in the special section that morning? Did you ever get announced as an MS, elder or pioneer?

If you can answer yes to any of the above questions, you may recall the sense of pride you felt. Even if you’re a lowly teenager running mics or controlling the sound, any position of responsibility comes with a small (but noteworthy) power trip. Imagine, for a brief moment, an elder, the COBE, the circuit overseer or even a visiting bethelite pulls into the parking lot at memorial or circuit assembly and for one small moment, it is you who has all the power and control. You have the orange vest, the orange cone, the straw hat and the honorable Attendant badge. They must drive and park where you tell them to. They will obey your command. For a small snapshot in time, even they must follow your leadership and direction—even tho they represent god on earth. But for that moment, they heed your direction when parking a car. They need your microphone to share their wisdom. The anointed cannot partake unless you hand them the emblems. They cannot speak while you’re on the platform, even if you’re simply reading the WT. YOU have all the power and control. YOU command everyone’s attention. The day you got baptized, it was YOU everyone looked at in the special section. It was you they sang and applauded for. When you (or your dad) visited another hall to deliver a Sunday talk, you already felt special. They lined up to meet you. You met new friends. You were automatically trusted as “exemplary” and even given “hospitality.”

And even tho you may have only been a teenager at the time, or if you were an adult MS or elder, you were likely nothing special outside of the empowering moments those titles brought with them—but for those brief moments, even YOU, an uneducated window washer, enjoyed the taste of control and power. The highest ranking JW had to park where you told them. They couldn’t enter a quickbuild without safety gear and you had the power to stop them. They couldn’t interrupt your talk or take your spotlight the moment your appointment was announced. Yet, outside those windowless walls, you were nobody.

IMAGINE the sense of power and control the GB feels all the time, everywhere they go. They brag about their humble lifestyles (and it’s true, their lodgings at HQ are ok at best—nothing spectacular, in fact most of our homes are probably nicer than their rooms are), but they never lose that feeling of ultimate authority. Everywhere they go, they’re met with reverence. Everything they say is spoken as god’s mouthpiece. Every visit they make, every broadcast they host, they are revered.

What’s their motivation, you ask? Just try to remember those brief moments when you had title, rank and authority over others and ask yourself what you’d do if that was the way you lived 24/7.

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“Should We Obey Men?”  

Why Jesus came to earth / Last World Power over the Chosen Ones / "Iron" and "Clay"  

“Who Really is?” 

8 hours ago, BroRando said:

We have no need to worry about a date, nor do we need to worry about losing our Kingdom Halls. We worship Jehovah with spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Then why do you prophesy a date?

“The Sealing of the 144,000 is at Hand”

The Body of Christ began to be collected on Pentecost 33 CE and will continue for two days of 1,000 years each before the third day begins 2034. 33CE + 2,000 yrs = 2033  You won't find 2034 in the Bible, but you won't find 33 CE either.  Yet, 33 CE was a 'timed event' that comes from the Messiah being cut off in the middle of that 70th week and Pentecost followed 50 days later.  They looked with their eyes but they could not see. We also get 1914 from the book of Daniel which was another 'timed event' that occurred.  But when you add the Last Days of Noah to the Last Days of this Age, what year keeps popping up?  1914 + 120 yrs = 2034  

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The German Court, representing persons of legal stature who have both oars in the water, pronounced it absolutely false.

Has the German Court read the magazines?

See the anointed in Wt's heaven below, posted under the fair use act for teaching purposes only, as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law, and freely obtained from Google's images.  

2 hours ago, Witness said:

FECRIS falsely claimed that the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that “there is a difference between men and women who receive the heavenly calling from God, in that only women ‘must receive a change of nature,’ but not men,”

Can you spot a female among them?  Now, if the court wants to argue that men also receive a "change of nature" by becoming clones, well...that is true.  Yet, they are still men, while not one woman can be distinguished from the group of male clones.  Putting both oars in the water to understand Wt's twists, takes some critical thinking.  I doubt the German Court will invest the time to untwist Wt's deception.  That goes for all the points I have made above.  

8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Dear Tom, when GB members call listeners on JWTV and in literature; "Trust Us because JHVH and Jesus have full trust in Us...", don't you think how GB statement is enough twisted (distorted) and how GB lives in their twisted world with twisted reality they constantly creating in JW Church? 

https://freedomofbelief.net/articles/fecris-sentenced-in-germany-for-defaming-jehovahs-witnesses

“The court also found that FECRIS distorts the theology and practices of the Jehovah’s Witnesses with the intention of defaming them. FECRIS falsely claimed that the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that “there is a difference between men and women who receive the heavenly calling from God, in that only women ‘must receive a change of nature,’ but not men,”

Absolutely true.  All of those men and women in the upper room during Pentecost who received the anointing, including Mary, the mother of Jesus, are depicted as men sitting behind their thrones and all looking exactly alike.  Unless Wt. removes their illustrations about the 144,000 in heaven, a picture is worth a thousand words of proof.

that women who serve as door-to-door missionaries are “women slaves,” 

Absolutely true.  Aren’t they considered the “large army” who pedal the doctrine of men?  (2 Tim 4:3; 2 Cor 11:20)

and children are “compelled” to participate in the public preaching,

Of course they are.  It is the “best life ever”; one to inspire a child’s mind as the goal for his future.

that women in the family should not only submit to their husbands but also “to their male children,”

Ahh, haven’t they just recently enacted damage control about this teaching?

are “forbidden to divorce without being immediately excommunicated,”

This happens generally in the case of abuse, but I wouldn't dismiss a case of adultery committed by the husband.  A woman who leaves such a situation can be disfellowshipped, while the man retains his good standing in the organization.

 and “cannot rebel within the home without being immediately judged by the congregation’s elders.”   

The wt. is a misogynous organization, primarily taking the side of the man.  Can it be proven on paper?  Not if they are destroyed. It can only be proven by one’s personal testimony.

That Jehovah’s Witnesses teenagers caught kissing are automatically “taken to a JW’s judicial committee,”

My son and his girl friend were leaving a meeting with the girl in the passenger seat.  Immediately, two JWs reported this to the elders, since they believed there was no chaperone with them.  Of course, my son was contacted by an elder who was told the girl’s mother was in the back seat.  I can’t imagine what would have happened if he was to lean over and kiss his girlfriend, as they prepared to leave. 

and that a young woman who stays overnight in the home of a male friend would be found guilty by a judicial committee even in the absence of other elements indicating an improper relationship, were also judged to be false and defamatory statements.

These are not false allegations.  They have happened to people over the years and have been reported by them; people who do not have the monetary means to hire a man like M. Introvigne who will go to work to sustain wt.’s oppressive tactics securing their corrupt spiritual reign.  

Another false claim the court regarded as defamatory was that the Jehovah’s Witnesses have announced 26 different dates for the end of the world and are now predicting it for the year 2034.

This is a false claim???  How so?  Is their math off?  Did they forget to carry the one?

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

they also reject the soft violence of attempting to legislate their views upon others. 

Outside, or inside the organization? Outside, they most certainly fight to impose their view on others through legislation.  They always have through history.    Inside?  Soft violence is used every day by the GB against the anointed.  Matt 24:48-51  When someone tells you not to seek out and gather with brothers and sisters to read and study the word of God, that is "soft" violence enacted against a people - a spiritual nation.   These are "living" temple stones figuratively scattered throughout the congregations of JWs; yet, surrounded by elder "Gentiles". (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)  Soft violence can crush an individual into submission; or worse, into spiritual destruction.  Luke 19:44; 21:6      (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Jehovah’s Witnesses have to be the most tolerant of religions in that, with regard to confronting other faiths, their weapons are words only.

"other faiths"...the faith promoted by the organization is total reliance on...the organization.  This is a faith contrary to what the scriptures teach.  The "other faith" found in the organization is within the hearts of the anointed and should be practiced by them.  But, they have become submissive to "organizational" faith under the rule of men.  Is any tolerance found regarding where their faith should lie?  

"For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, 4 since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments 5 and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ. "  2 Cor 10:4,5

that is raised up against the knowledge of God,

Nowhere can it be found in the scriptures that support the rulership of "uncircumcised" men over God's anointed Temple dwelling.   (Ezek 44:6-9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Matt 24:15,16)  

the demolition of strongholds.

What is the stronghold that will be demolished by the Word of God, the Spirit of God?  The mountainlike organization that destroys His people with soft violence.  Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8; 13:5-7; 19:20; Isa 2:12-18

If only the anointed and all JWs would realize to...

 Put no more trust in a mere human,
who has only the breath in his nostrils.
What is he really worth?  Isa 2:22

The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place

On 5/23/2021 at 6:28 AM, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

And the GB and their lawyers continue to disobey Christ, because the GB love money and power more than they love God. 

On 5/23/2021 at 7:23 AM, Arauna said:

They are setting a precedent because anyone can go on to combine disrespecting pictures with the songs and our other content and do what they like. 

20 hours ago, Patiently waiting for Truth said:

"The Bible encourages those who have been wronged to seek peaceful ways to resolve matters when possible instead of pursuing revenge."  Watchtower

21 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Because WTJWorg and JW are actually legal entities, they are a firm / business. In this context, everything they "intellectually" produce is their "property". BUT, there is a problem of another kind. WTJWorg claims that all of this/that is “spiritual food” that comes from God and Christ, because they are, reportedly, led by HS to write magazines and books, to make songs and movies. If it is truly “spiritual food from God,” then it is not the property of WTJWorg and JW nor in any way.

If the leaders of the organization were genuinely living for the Kingdom to come, they would drop all of this crap and walk away.  But, their kingdom is of THIS world, and like the evil one, they don’t want to lose it. (John 18:36; 1 John 5:19)  They have taught their followers to also support their cause, to support their kingdom, and their lies; which is alienated from the kingdom that lies in the hearts of those in Jesus Christ.  (Luke 17:21; 1 Cor 3:16)  It has nothing to do with earthly treasures or legal rights. (Luke 4:5,6; Matt 6:19-21) 

The leaders have been living under a cloak of apparent humility, but the intentions of their hearts are becoming quite clear to the world at large.  No longer can they hide their true selves, that which lies beneath white-washed tombs. Matt 23:27,28 

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

The legal system in USA is crumbling. 

God is concerned with the "legal system" that His holy people live under - His saints/anointed and all JWs who put up with internal organizational corruption.  To believe that the Wt. is innocent on all accounts, and that its sins are ignored by the Father and Jesus Christ, is pure foolishness.

Woe to the rebellious children!
This is the Lord’s declaration.
They carry out a plan, but not mine;
they make an alliance,
but against my will,
piling sin on top of sin.
² Without asking my advice
they set out to go down to Egypt
in order to seek shelter under Pharaoh’s protection
and take refuge in Egypt’s shadow.

Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
and inscribe it on a scroll;
it will be for the future,
forever and ever.
⁹ They are a rebellious people,
deceptive children,
children who do not want to listen to the Lord’s instruction.

Therefore the Holy One of Israel says:
“Because you have rejected this message
and have trusted in oppression and deceit,
and have depended on them,
¹³ this iniquity of yours will be
like a crumbling gap,
a bulge in a high wall
whose collapse will come in an instant—suddenly!
¹⁴ Its collapse will be like the shattering
of a potter’s jar, crushed to pieces,
so that not even a fragment of pottery
will be found among its shattered remains—
no fragment large enough to take fire from a hearth
or scoop water from a cistern.”  Isaiah 30

The Kingdom - 1914?

On 5/21/2021 at 7:17 AM, Arauna said:

hate which is OCD.

 

You seem to diagnose people as having OCD on a regular basis.  I have never seen OCD defined generally as hate.  It is an unwanted obsession that the person spends copious amounts of time and energy, in eliminating.  OCD cannot be associated with the personal desire to spread truth, by exposing lies.   Jesus hated lies and exposed them.  Did he suffer from OCD?

"And do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather even expose them."  Eph 5:11

If we love the Father and the Son, shouldn't we "desire" to expose wickedness and lies said against them?    It is not an "unwanted" obsession.   It is called our "testimony" of truth, in the same way Jesus gave his testimony of truth.  John 18:37