6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Make sense man! Colossians 3:1

Oh dear, typical Allen comment.

6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

1 Peter 2:5-9 English Standard Version (ESV)

5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,  a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” 7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” 8 and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

What part do you see that you believe stands with what you are preaching?

This part:

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

I proclaim the excellencies of the Father and His Son.  JWs proclaim “Jehovah AND his organization”, or Jehovah’s organization”. 

“Who will you compare Me or make me equal to? Who will you measure me with, so that we should be like eWhy does Michael ch other?  Isa 46:5 

What does the name Michael mean?  “Who Is Like God” 

Michael stand up for his “people” in the last days. Considering the meaning of his name, do you think he is representing those who continually make the comparison of his Father to an earthly entity found in the enemy's realm?  Phil 3:18,19  Who expect devotion to the organization when God requires exclusive devotion?  Exod 20:5

“At that time Michael (“Who is like God”) shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.”  Dan 12:1

On one side of this war are those who represent God; on the other side are those who represent an idol/organization that claims to be "spirit-directed" and invincible.  Rev 13:15

So they worshiped the dragon who  gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev 13:4

6 hours ago, Anna said:

You are all confused. Did God have a nation in the past? Yes, the house of Israel was God's nation. God's Kingdom on earth, with a fleshly king representing it. There was nothing idolatrous about that idea.

The nation of Israel was dedicated to God, not to the nation of Israel. They served ONLY God.  Jws are a “nation” dedicated to an organization, which they serve.    There is a difference, and the difference is idolatry. Were the early apostles dedicated to an organization, or to God and Jesus Christ?  

6 hours ago, Anna said:

This became the Christian congregation made up of not only anointed Jews (Israelites) but also anointed Gentiles. Hence, this new nation came to be known as "spiritual Israel", who with those not anointed (the other sheep) became one flock. 1 Pet. 2:9.

Is this what they are teaching you now?  I would not be surprised.

Spiritual “Israel” does not include both anointed and those not anointed, but includes only the “firstfruits” of God’s children.  They are God’s called, chosen ones that bear the work of preaching the “good news” of Christ. James 1:18; Rev 14:1,4,5

w96 2/15 p. 13-14 -   Well, beginning with Jesus’ apostles and others at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah has been dealing with spiritual Israelites. These are humans anointed with God’s holy spirit who become part of what the apostle Paul calls “the Israel of God.” (Galatians 6:16;Romans 8:15-17) Recall, too, that at 1 Peter 2:9, these Christians are called “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession.” Peter goes on to identify the assignment given to spiritual Israel: “‘You should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”

The “other sheep” are physical Gentiles “grafted” into the vine of Christ – they are also, anointed ones, becoming one flock.  John 10:16; Eph 2:11-22; Rom 1:16; 11:22-25; Acts 11:9,18;10:45-47; 13:46; Rev 7:14-15

But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. ¹⁰ Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. 1 Pet 2:9,10  (Hos 2:23)

 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.”  Isa 43:10

You used 1 Pet 2:9 to describe all JWs and anointed ones as “one flock”.  Are all JWs chosen for the priesthood?  Are all JWs anointed?  Are all JWs part of the “144,000”?  Rev 7:4

Spiritual “Israel” is the holy nation of God.  When the New Covenant is fulfilled, and the Kingdom arrives, the rest of God’s children will be part of God’s spiritual “nation”.  Isa 66:7,8; Rev 22:17

There is no earthly organization that God recognizes.  He is building His "organization" of the "144,000" on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief cornerstone, having His future children in mind to receive its blessings.  God recognizes His Temple. 1 Cor 3:16, 17; Eph 2:19-22       Do you?  In the last 100 years, men have fabricated their own organization, a "unique idea" as the Watchtower put it in the '40's.  It is blasphemy to God.  Rev 13:1,11

We are in the last days.  The preaching work is to spiritual “Israel”. Matt 10:23 That would be to the anointed ones.  Listed among many is because  they are dedicated to an earthly organization, and not to God and Christ.  Why do I say this?

“No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and riches.”  Matt 6:24

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I have several photos on my hard drive somewhere, from several angles.

That's all I know.

If you go to google images and type in Chilean flag in kingdom hall, several pictures pop up with flags flying either above the kingdom halls or are in the windows.  

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

@BillyTheKid46 It only gets wilder. This is why Charlatans make good Christians look bad. They taint the church, they taint the Bible, they taint God's order of things, etc.

 

If you only realized JWs do not consider you part of their "church".  

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Does that mean you don’t physically attend a church?

That’s exactly what it means.

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Does it mean, if you believe in a trinity, it would have to be out loud in order to make it a symbol of veneration?

I told you, I don’t believe in the trinity, both in silence and out loud.  You’re not making sense, Allen.  What are you, an interrogating lawyer for the "Society"?   The only reason I am answering you is for the benefit of any other JW who may be reading this. 

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Where is Christ’s commandment to seek those with the same interest to form a bond of unity? How can a person be in a union and be part of Christ body from afar?

There is no union of the saints, who are the Body of Christ, in the organization.  The Watchtower makes sure that they remain apart.  It is discouraged that the Body of “living stones” of God’s Temple, do not study the Bible together.   1 Pet 2:5,9   What a hypocritical doctrine.    There is a union of the saints/anointed ones outside of the organization, who have been “killed” by your organization for turning to Christ.   Rev 12:14

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Acts 18:9 New International Version (NIV)

⁹ One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: “Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent.

And am I silent?  Isa 58:1; Rev 11:1-3

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Philippians 2:4

Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

Is the GB aware of the interests of its anointed “brothers" or just their own interests?  Matt 24:48-51

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Galatians 4:17

7Those people are zealous for you, but not in a good way. Instead, they want to isolate you from us, so that you will be zealous for them.

 Up until just recently, who was considered the “faithful and discreet slave”?  Who is it now?  Who is doing the isolating?

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Keep in mind, you are stating Jesus was wrong to develop the first Christian Church, with your understanding. Jesus was wrong in anointing the 12 apostles. Jesus was wrong in anointing the 70 to continue his public ministry.

How is that so?  What have I continually said about the Temple of God, with Christ as the chief cornerstone, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets?  The members of the anointed Body of Christ are the “church”. 

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Society was wrong to inherit the 3000 first Christians. Was all this done in silence? Did these people not belong to the body of Christ?  Did they not advertise out loud?

First of all, when you say “Society”, I am guessing you mean the Watchtower.  Are you believing there were no anointed ones after the death of the apostles and up until 100 years ago?  You believe not one Christian anointed one walked the earth for 2,000 years?  That no believer in Christ was present during that time?  

The Society didn’t “inherit” 3,000 anointed ones, they fell into Satan’s end time deception to be “sifted” by his greatest magnum opus since deceiving Eve.  Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12 ; Jer 5:26; Ps 140:5

Tell me, how will the anointed ones be conquered in the time of the end.  They are not safe in “Jehovah’s organization” as taught, because they face a severe test at the hands of a “false prophet”.  Ezek 13:10-12; Matt 7:15; 24:24; 1 Thess 5:3

Can you explain this - Rev 13:5-7,11

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Did Jesus mandate, we should preach in name only? That means there are 1.6 billion Christians that are wrong by your single standard. Where does that lead to obeying God and have faith in him, when you reject all others?

 

Who are these 1.6 billion Christians?  Those outside the organization? Now you are including outsiders when before you said, the first Christians were inherited by the Society one hundred years ago? Or, is this number the entire amount of JWs over the years? 

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Ask yourself, how can it, be achieved with someone as yourself with others. Through telepathy? Doesn’t this imply a rejection of Christ? Remember, you have proudly stated you are NOT affiliated with any earthly church, and you don't believe in Trinity out loud.

 

Through Holy Spirit, you have heard of it, haven’t you?  Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:3,4

A rejection of Christ?  Or, do you mean a rejection of the GB?

Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.²² You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, forsalvation is of the Jews. ²³ But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. ²⁴ God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:21-24

The spiritual dwelling place of God is within the anointed heart.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  On their heart is written God’s laws.  Heb 8:10  The early ark of the covenant symbolized the presence of God and housed the laws given to Moses. Under the New Covenant, God’s anointed priesthood are like that ark. Rev 11:19 Each one is to carry truth, the truth from Christ. John 17:17 When the early temple was built, the ark was placed in the “inner court” of the temple specifying God’s presence in that temple.  Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  “But he was speaking of the temple of his Body”.  John 2:19-21

Every anointed priest is part of the temple as “living stones”, and they ARE the temple, according to 1 Cor 3:16,17. Eph 2:20-22  During the last days, a conquering force comes upon them using deceitful lies. Rev 13:7; 20:9,10   Those who reject the lies are “killed”.  Rev 13:15; Matt 16:25; 19:29  Instead of buying spiritual food from a false prophet, these "stones" “buy gold” from Jesus Christ.  Rev 3:18  And by breaking free of this spiritual captivity of deception, (Rev 13:10)  they are the “victorious ones”, riding with Christ in the battle of truth against lies.  Rev 15:2; 19:11,19,20

 Uninspired men are unable to provide pure teachings from Christ, because they no longer carry God’s spirit in their heart.  Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8

20 minutes ago, Anna said:

No, it doesn't symbolize anything. It advertises the website

Maybe you are one of the minority who believes that.  I don't see a lot people advertising their website quite like this.  

1 hour ago, Anna said:

What even does shunning and disfellowshipping for rejecting the org. have to do with worshiping the org. ? You may need to revisit your understanding of what worship means.

Are you devoted to the organization?

Are you motivated and dedicated to serve its needs?

Do you believe it can lead you to salvation?

Is the organization your refuge?

Can you be devoted to God AND an organization?  

"Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a devoted attachment to him and his visible earthly organization."  Ps 30:4; 31:23  km 8/82 pp. 1-3

Check out the scriptures they use.  Do they mention any other recipient of devotion, other than to God?  So then, does God expect us to be devoted to an earthly organization?  They can't back up their expectations with scripture.  

A devoted attachment is equally given to God and the organization by JWs.  Break it down.  What does having a devoted attachment to God mean to you?  

 From your Bible:   “I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion.”  Exod 20:5

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. "

Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.  Deut 12:32

Every word of God is flawless;
    he is a shield for him who takes refuge in him.

Do not add to his words
    lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.  Prov 30:5,6

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Now you're getting ridiculous. Not every flag out there symbolizes a nation. Some flags advertise an organization, company, product or a cause. They are called advertising  banners, and some are in the shape of a flag.

I am sorry you didn't see the irony in what I posted.  Yes, the adoption of the Inuksuk by an organization that claims full devotion to God, IS rather ridiculous.

But...the jw dot org flag symbolizes Watchtower's treasure; the treasure of a homeland.  

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Just curious “witness.” Do you belong to any church?

 

No, there is one “church”(Body) which is God’s Temple/Zion.  1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22

One religion.  James 1:27

This is what I belong to as an anointed one.

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

 

If you do not. Do you believe in the trinity?

 

 

"If you do not"?  Does not belonging to an earthly church, which is what you are referring to, mean that I would believe the trinity?

No, I don't.

I don’t suppose you are trying to catch me in an act of idolatry, are you?  My devotion is purely to the Father and to my Master, Jesus Christ.  John 1:2,14,18; 3:16,18; 5:17-19

20 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Who/whom JW member obey? Worshiping? JW member worshiping those or that whom or what he listening and OBEY. If you obey human person, in final moment you worshiping him, willingly (deceived or by own choice) or by force. If you obey your own idea of something or about someone, you worship your own idol created in you/yourself.  

 

Rom 6:16

15 hours ago, Anna said:

There you go again. No, the organization is there to get one from A to B and to preach the Kingdom. That's why it's an organization.

or·gan·i·za·tion

1. an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.

2.

the action of organizing something.

If your words were true and that’s all there was to it, no one would be shunned or disfellowshipped for rejecting “Jehovah’s organization”.  Rev 13:1,5-7,11,15-17

"Apostasy

Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.  rs p.34-37"

"Wild Beast and its Ten Horns" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot

15 hours ago, Anna said:

You can post as many explanations as you like, but with your previous arguments about the supposed crosses I am of the impression that you are desperately looking for anything that signifies some dark intentions of the WT.  And yet, if it wasn't for the org. you would most likely be holding the cross sacred today.

From reading your extract from ancientpages.com I can still see that the inuksuk was not made for veneration but "is often venerated as symbolizing an ancestor". Two different things. I guess my point about humans finding anything to venerate was lost on you. Jehovah's Witnesses are not opposed to cultural heritage, and that is why the inuskuk is at the Canadian Bethel. I wouldn't read anymore into it than that.

Inukshuk - among the oldest and most important objects placed by humans upon the vast Arctic landscape - are a sacred symbol. The figure is the Inuit symbol of their homeland and these people tradition forbids the destruction of these objects.

If it wasn't a symbol of veneration, it wouldn't be forbidden to remove it.  

I doubt the Canadian Bethel would go so far as to adopt the northern territory flag of Canada with an Inuksuk already on it, because it is a FLAG representing another nation; and JWs don’t “venerate” flags of other nations.    However, the organization does have its own flag that symbolizes a homeland, so why not put the Inuksuk on the jw dot org flag to symbolize the preaching work of a nation?

I'm beating my head against the wall.  JWs already venerate an idol - the organization, which supposedly leads one to salvation.   Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,4-8

What's another idol to throw into the mix, anyway?

Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.

15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.

17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.

19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.  Deut 30:11-20

33 minutes ago, Anna said:

Because the Buddha, gilded wooden cross, and statues of saints were made specifically for the purpose of veneration.

It seems that the primary and original purpose of the inuksuk was navigational aids and not objects of veneration.  But as with everything, humans who do not know the truth about Jehovah attach spiritual significance to just about anything they want. In India the cow becomes holy,  for Christendom salt becomes holy (blessed salt), For Muslims a natural spring of water (the Zamzam well) becomes holy...etc. etc. The point is a cow is a cow, salt is salt, a spring is a spring. Just because people decide to turn something that originally had no such significance into something different, that’s their problem. The inuksuk has no such significance at the Canadian Bethel. It would be like saying we can’t use salt because some religion blesses it and makes it holy. Now it would be totally different if this item was made to have spiritual significance from its creation, like your aforementioned examples. But it is clear that the inuksuk originally had no such significance.

 

I knew someone would come up with an "explanation" that it''s not the same as any other pagan idol.  I really can't believe your reasoning.  This isn't just spring water, or salt or a cow.  It's a well-known sacred idol that the Watchtower has adopted as their mascot in Canada, for the preaching work.  

Sacred ‘Sign Posts’ Of The Inuit People

A. Sutherland - AncientPages.com - The mysterious stone figures known as Inukshuk can be found throughout far northern areas of Alaska, Canada, Siberia, and Greenland. Inukshuk (the singular of 'inuksuit') means "in the likeness of a human" (or "that which acts in the capacity of a human") in the Inuit language.

They are man-made stone landmark, with many different meanings, used by the Inuit for communication,  navigation, as a marker for travel routes, fishing places, camps, hunting grounds, places of worship, drift fences used in hunting or to mark a food storage.

The traditional meaning of the Inukshuk is "Someone was here" or "You are on the right path."

For the Inuit people living in the circumpolar regions, Inukshuk arrangement of stones, especially its arms and legs, indicates the purpose of the marker.

Inukshuk - among the oldest and most important objects placed by humans upon the vast Arctic landscape - are a sacred symbol. The figure is the Inuit symbol of their homeland and these people tradition forbids the destruction of these objects.

An inukshuk (also known as inuksuk) is often venerated as symbolizing an ancestor who knew how to survive on the land in the traditional way. The figure can be small or large, a single rock, several rocks balanced on each other, round boulders or flat. Built from whatever stones are at hand, each one is unique.

The so-called the Hammer of Thor,  a 3.3 me (10.8 ft) tall, t-shaped, man-made rock formation is located along the Arnaud River in the Ungava Peninsula, Quebec, Canada. It was believed to have been erected by Vikings in reference to the hammer-wielding Thor of Norse mythology. However, it most likely is an artifact of Inuit culture.

Today, the inuksuk statue continue to serve as an Inuit cultural symbol. It is the centrepiece of the flag and coat of arms of the Canadian territory of Nunavut, and the flag of Nunatsiavut.

http://www.ancientpages.com/2018/09/04/sacred-sign-posts-of-the-inuit-people/

2 hours ago, Anna said:

And if it's not, it gets lopped off. So leave it to Jehovah.

Yes, we leave it to God, but Jesus still expects us to discern good fruit from bad fruit if we want to receive life. Matt 12:33; Luke 6:43-45;  Luke 8:14,15  We do not enter the Kingdom on a tail wind of questionable, changed,  teachings and doctrines not outlined in the Bible.  If a branch remains in Christ, and teaches truth sourced in Holy Spirit; the hearer who receives it, who welcomes it, gains life from the living water sourced in the vine - sourced in Christ.  John 7:38

1 hour ago, Anna said:

They used to have the cross and the crown emblem as well, it's to the left of the same WT. The cross stood for Jesus's sacrifice and the crown symbolized the crown of life that the anointed would receive after death.

I have already known that the the early Bible Students believed in the cross, and am aware of the cross and crown symbol; but, thank you.  It is also symbol that has been used by the Catholics and other religions, but primarily non-christian Freemasons.  Which makes one wonder what it really means.  

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Now, how does anyone else know? 

For you, in the Watchtower?  They don’t make it easy.

 WT 16/1 pg 23   ^"If it is not possible to know with certainty the names of all spiritual Israelites on earth today, how can members of the other sheep “go with” them? Notice what the prophecy in Zechariah states concerning the figurative ten men. These ones would “take firm hold of the robe of a Jew, saying: ‘We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.’” Although only one Jew is mentioned here, in both instances the pronoun “you” refers to more than one person. This spiritual Jew must, then, be a composite person, not just one individual! So it is not necessary to identify every spiritual Jew and then go with him or her. Rather, we need to identify these ones as a group and then support them as such. In no way do the Scriptures encourage us to follow an individual. Jesus is our Leader.—Matt. 23:10. 

But wait.  Where are all eyes trained to listen to, and follow the direction of?  The GB, both individually and as a group.  Where are all the other anointed ones?  Who knows.  You don’t need to identify them.

There is a suffocating message throughout the entire article, implying the typical JW  can’t trust an anointed one, as anointed.  I suppose you look for those who partake at the memorial, hoping they are true to the calling; or wait for someone to speak out. 

Truly, in the organization there is NO WAY to get to know each anointed one, especially if they mimic the teachings of those anointed leaders they must obey.   When the article above says, “Jesus is our Leader”, it really isn’t true in the Watchtower.  The GB is their leader. 

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Practically speaking, what would you like to see happen?

Practically speaking, what would you like to see happen?

Practically?  I would love for them and you and all JWs to leave the organization.  The ‘joining up’ of the anointed as a working Body is impossible under the GB’s rule, but very possible outside of condemning rule.  Rev 18:4-8

The anointed who have left now speak with a spiritual voice just as the GB speaks and they are finally being heard.    I don’t know if you recall when JW Insider gave a great comment on the spiritual battle at the time of the end. I should look it up.  This battle is a warfare against “heavenly forces”; one of evil origin, one of Holy Spirit. They influence and motivate the anointed according to the deep-seated intentions of their heart.  Ultimately, what comes out of their mouth is either lies or truth. 

If there are two beautiful apples in a bowl to choose from, it isn’t until we take the first bite, or turn it over and inspect it for rot, that we know the choice of “fruit” between the two apples, we will willingly eat.  Unless our taste buds are totally out of whack.  

If an anointed “tree” is nourished solely by living water from Christ, it would produce good “fruit”.  Nothing blemished, or rotten, nothing needing to be changed. 

 If a “branch” is part of the “vine” of Christ, it’s fruit also would be well worth “eating”.  Holy Spirit is not faulty, Christ isn’t blemished, his living water is pure.  He is the bread of life. 

Armageddon is not a physical war, but is a spiritual battle between THESE kings – Christ’s kings -  that now is apparent. 

It is fought on the “low plain of decision”; the deep recesses of the heart’s desire to accept either truth or lies.  Joel 3:14

Jesus told us we would know those whom HE sends “by their fruit”, their teachings. Are they unblemished?  Do they last? Matt 7:15-20; Matt 3:10; John 15:1-8,16

Satan also sends his counterfeits, once in Christ under covenant, but who speak twisted teachings and crooked ways.  These anointed ones were tempted by Satan’s worldly offer of material possessions and power, just as Jesus was.  Luke 4:7  Satan demands to "sift" each anointed heart.  It is the harvest.  Luke 22:31; Matt 13:30

Yes, kingdoms will continue to fight against kingdoms in Satan’s world, because he will make sure of it, to fulfill his interpretations of scripture.    But the important “war” at hand, is the one Paul predicted at the time of the end,

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. ¹¹ Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. ¹² For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.¹³ Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 

Eph 6:10-13

38 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

How does anyone really know that these “brothers” of yours are really anointed, since all they must do is self-identify? 

I should explain a little better.

If the anointed are working together under the one Spirit of Christ, they know “all things”.  John 20:22; 1 John 2:27

It is the “Helper” that provides direction, even in recognizing the spirit in another anointed one. 

“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”  John 14:26

The Holy Spirit is God’s way of communicating with each of His anointed children.  One translation of Rom 8:16 says,

"God’s Spirit makes us sure that we are his children."

Phil 2:13  - AMP:  "[Not in your own strength] for it is God Who is all the while effectually at work in you [energizing and creating in you the power and desire], both to will and to work for His good pleasure and satisfaction and delight."

The Spirit brings the Body together.  Another spirit resists the Bride of Christ; desiring the anointed to remain apart.  Their uniting together in complete faithfulness would seal them into the Kingdom of God.  Satan does not want to see the end of his rule. 

11 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

How does anyone really know that these “brothers” of yours are really anointed, since all they must do is self-identify?

Again, Rom 8:16.  Of those anointed that I have talked with, the anointing experiences are very similar.  

10 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

It's NOT a crucifex design .... its a weapons platform, that happens to be cross shaped.

There is a difference!

OKAY!    

@TrueTomHarley  "Because they believed then that Christ died on a cross. They no longer do. Is it that flabbergasting?"

So...two reasons.  I'll choose which one I want to believe.  

Yep, "Watchtower Derangement Syndrome".  

43 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Any takers?

More photos are needed to compare?  I am not saying it is deliberate, but there are some suggestive forces that are able to manipulate the mind...unknowingly. Eph 2:2  Why on earth would the early Zion Watchtower have three crosses on the tower?   Who thought that one up?

I do believe lighting had everything to do with the clarity of the "cross" brackets on Warwick's tower.    (Luke 8:17)

53 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

In a reality of your devising, how would these anointed "brothers" of yours be treated? 

How does anyone know that they actually are anointed, since the only requirement of claiming that status is to claim it?

Rom 8:16, unless one has left their covenant in Christ and follows another spirit; which, if the GB was in Christ, their relationship with their anointed brothers and sisters would be completely different.  They would make every effort to unite the anointed together.  Instead, they make every effort to keep them from "bonding".  Eph 4:1-6  A "faithful steward" of God's spiritual household manages all provisions provided by the household and distributes them to the sheep, accordingly.   He does not squander away the gifts that each anointed one possesses.  Luke 16:1-4 When the Body is unified, able to work together, Holy Spirit flows among them as well as recognizable love between all members. John 15:5 This is what Paul taught the early anointed ones.   All members are to be aware of each other and what they have to offer, as well as their individual needs.  1 Cor chapter 12; Eph 5:25-33

Otherwise it is sinning against the Holy Spirit.  

The GB does not recognize that "one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills."  1 Cor 12:11

Think about your relationship with your wife.  Ideally...we are aware of our spouse's needs and appreciate what our spouse adds in the relationship. The anointed as a unified Bride should be working as one, aware that they have only one Master, one "husband", Christ.  No other anointed one should assume authority over those who must listen only to Jesus.  Matt 24:48-51

Since this is not the case in the organization, one must ask, why isn't it.  

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If it is, it is. If you got in there somehow to put up the crossbars, the brothers will saw them off in good time.

Come now. You are not going to tell me that you do not hate the governing body. Sometimes it seems your sole purpose of existence.

OK, I admit it, I put up the crossbars. 

No, I don't hate the individual members of the GB.    In fact I pray that they wake up and notice their anointed "brothers" in Christ. I see many "apostates" criticize, and make fun of, everything personal about them; such as their individual quirks.  I try not to go that far.   I picture them in my mind as men who soberly would admit they have made mistakes that have hurt so many.  But, it won't happen.

It is the composite "Harlot"'s lies  that I detest.  Rev 13:11

I also don't hate the individual members of the elder body.  At one time both my husband  and brother were elders.  I have known some who were actually  compassionate.  They didn't last in the organization.  I detest what they represent, a counterfeit priesthood/man of lawlessness.  

20 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Is that an unaltered photo?

I will believe it when I see it.

Here's the source of the original photo.  It's pretty clear a JW took the picture and didn't doctor it up.  

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/456130268493794361/

15 minutes ago, Jack Ryan said:

As the title says, where did the other 23 chromosomes come from for Jesus? Because Mary had no way to give him a Y chromosome, making him a boy, without a guy’s sperm.

God made Adam.  He made Eve from Adam's rib.  

Must be a miracle.