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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Here's how I see the content of the quotes you cited.
    The trial should be conducted only by "saints".
    Are there enough "saints"? Who declares someone as "saint"? Is there a numerical limit to the number of people who can be “saints”?
    WTJWorg has doctrines, with which it would be difficult to solve these dilemmas.
    It is hypocritical of the Organization that male “saints” have the right to act as “kings and priests” already today, in a world where the Kingdom of Christ does not rule. Admittedly, WTJWorg believes that the Kingdom still rules over the Earth through the Organization. If so then female “saints” should have the same role as their male counterparts. Or maybe the solution is to change gender/sex to male with the help of surgery?
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Exactly, going by the Bible’s standards if nothing can change your brother or sisters stance on their sin by speaking to them in private or by having two or three go along with you yet they still don’t change, you’re then supposed to tell it to the whole church. The whole church would include women participating in the judicial process:
    https://biblia.com/bible/niv/matthew/18/15-17
    But the far greater sin of a JW is not involving the saints that God chose in any of the judicial processes which involve actual forgiving or not forgiving sins, but rather 3 commoners take on the matter in a secret room:
    “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?” 1 Corinthians 6:1
    And of course we know, once God anoints someone as a saint “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians. 3:28
    The priests are all of one body, male or female, they make up one body and are who Jesus put in charge of forgiving or not forgiving sins, but they are overlooked, actually, the proper word would be “trampled” (Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2).
    “And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” John 20:22-23
     
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Good Points 
    The Bible says that any congregational discipline has to be done before the entire congregation.
    Jehovah’s Witnesses do not do that.
    End of thought.
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Cracks of the armor?  You don't make sense.  I posted the link to the blog page on purpose.   It hasn't been hidden, in fact it's been open for anyone and all to read, for a long while.  
    You know, there is a scripture that perhaps you have read, but just as a reminder, sir - "Pride comes before destruction,
    and an arrogant spirit before a fall."  Prov 16:18
    I have never, ever had contact with such an arrogant individual who feels he sits on top of the world and knows ALL about everything and everyone, as well as their relationship with God and Jesus Christ.    
    When the GB are dismissed by a coalition of elders and other anointed "ten kings" with them - when these men are most likely disfellowshipped, raked through the coals with sins exposed, then any JW who has heard of this from a woman named Pearl, will know that a prophet was among them and gave the warning that it would happen. (Ezek 2:3-7) The organization will last only one symbolic "hour" after that, before it too, will fall.    (Rev 17:12-18; 18:4-8)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures?  Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens?   Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂  It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8)
    God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people.  He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31)  Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years?  In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol.  No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13.   (Rev 13:4-8)
    John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah.
    The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ.  (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures?  Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens?   Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂  It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8)
    God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people.  He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31)  Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years?  In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol.  No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13.   (Rev 13:4-8)
    John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah.
    The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ.  (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Are you expecting a person to predict something totally out of the realm of prophesy already established in the scriptures?  Like…a prediction that money will fall from heaven on a certain date and it happens?   Is that the type of prophesy you’re thinking of? 🙂  It sounds like the work of sorcery, of “lying signs and wonders”, just as 1914 was. (2 Thess 2:9; Matt 24:23-25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8)
    God talks about this in Deut 13:1-5. It says, God “tests” His people.  He allows the test, which originates with the devil. (Luke 22:31)  Where did God’s saints, the remnant, end up over the last 150 years?  In the Watchtower organization that has become their idol.  No JW that is fully devoted to it, can tear themselves away and follow only, the Father and the Son as warned about in the Deuteronomy 13.   (Rev 13:4-8)
    John the Baptist preached repentance and to “prepare the way” for the coming of the Messiah.
    The last prophet bears a similar message as John the Baptist/”Elijah”, for God’s holy people to “prepare the way” for the return of Christ.  (Isa 42:16; Mark 1:3; Matt 17:11,12; Rev 11:1-3)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No.  Paul did not say that  prophesy had ceased, and I'm talking about inspired prophesy.  @Patiently waiting for Truth is right, you are misleading a young one; one that should come out of the organization. (Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4-8)
    "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
    "perfect" - meaning "complete", this will not happen until Jesus returns. Until the kingdom, prophesy, and  knowledge continue.
    If you say that prophesy has ceased, then you may as well say that knowledge has ceased. 
    Nowhere in the scriptures did the apostles say that prophesy would cease before all is "complete".  
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    No.  Paul did not say that  prophesy had ceased, and I'm talking about inspired prophesy.  @Patiently waiting for Truth is right, you are misleading a young one; one that should come out of the organization. (Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4-8)
    "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is [d]perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
    "perfect" - meaning "complete", this will not happen until Jesus returns. Until the kingdom, prophesy, and  knowledge continue.
    If you say that prophesy has ceased, then you may as well say that knowledge has ceased. 
    Nowhere in the scriptures did the apostles say that prophesy would cease before all is "complete".  
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    The apostles were persecuted because they were true, obedient followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ, and not to the doctrine of men.  Why would you say it's meaningless?  All who choose to obey Jesus, will be persecuted, they must expect trials and persecution.  With exJWs, it is through disfellowshipping, loss of family, and deemed as spiritually dead.   Luke 12:53; Matt 5:43-45; 2 Cor 4:7-10;James 1:2-4; John 16:2; Rev 13:15
    If the GB are truly followers of Jesus Christ, how are they persecuted?  They control everyone and everything within in their power. They make sure to silence individuals who speak against them.   Those that are persecuted for rejecting THEM and their false doctrine, control no one. 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I know nothing about the Unitarian Church only a little from your posts that I may have read,  or about your "Biblical" Unitarianism.  I am asking "Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?"  You are a man who loves labeling people, and beliefs.  So where did your label derive from?
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    I agree. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Excellent observation!
    SM  so strongly advocates a specific Christian Order, but is not prepared to act within the specific Order of the Unitarian Church or here within the Order of JW Church. Both churches are Christian churches.
     
     Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?
    Space Merchant replied to Patiently waiting for Truth's topic in Jehovah’s Witnesses's Topics
    ...I am a Biblical Unitarian Christian yes, however I am not of the Unitarian Church.  
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    @Space Merchant  I think that the adult / mature thing for me to say here is that, you and I should agree to have different opinions about things.  As for you saying you do not have opinions, well once again we must differ here. 
    My feeling about you is, that you are a 'cold hearted' Theologian.  What I mean by that is, you have vast knowledge of the scriptures but you seem to lack the faith and direction of a True Christian. 
    Jehovah's Witnesses are the same. One difference with the JW's though, they are given direction by 8 men in America.  
    I have no idea if you 'follow' any direction from any 'religious' humans, though it seems as if you are the one giving direction to others. 
    I note you have a young follower here. So sad to see a young man worshipping you. He seems to think you are winning battles here  .  What you are actually doing is pretending that you are always right, and he is fooled by your words. He is young, he will learn. 
    You and I cannot have a proper basic discussion because you have a totally different mindset to me. I look to the future with hope, but it's not hope for me, it's hope for other people.  YHWH will work through Yeshua, the Earth will be cleansed, those considered worthy will live on, and the dead will be resurrected. All of those things will bring praise to YHWH through Yeshua.  Those are things that God has allowed me to know in my heart.  
    However I still believe that nearer the end of this old system of things, the True Anointed will be given more accurate knowledge through Holy Spirit, and true direction will be given to those seeking to serve YHWH properly.
    Ten (earthly) men clinging to the the robe of a (spiritual) Jew.  The True Anointed will become more apparent to real Christians. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Why your objection that others have the wrong mindset, when you yourself are advocating the wrong attitude about women and claiming that God has an unchangeable Order. Well there is no immutable. He revoked the Order from OT and placed another Order through NT. And change will continue to happen.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Just so you know up front, I don't read all that you write, but certain things pop out such as the above.  
    Two people can look at the same scene with two different perspectives.  Jesus’ perspective was heavenly, spiritual, inspired.  He was preparing a people to also be heavenly, spiritual, and inspired. The Pharisees rejected this spiritual perspective, and instead held onto and loved their corrupted element of rule over others.   The term “religious office” is elementary, based on today’s works in the world of men.  What was once the concept of seeing “religion” in the spiritual realm with blessings reaching humans on the created earth, has been corrupted to “fit” the desires of men, who assign each other with created label to hold created “offices”. 
    These have nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit. Men, like elders not anointed have robbed the concept of Christ’s gifts given to his spiritual anointed body, and changed them to fit their earthly needs, to fit themselves, and an organization.  (Eph 4:4-16)   They are applying what they chose from the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, to help run their debased organization. “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, but men use this power to create a demanding “religion” of authority over others.  The apostles did not teach “organization” according to the elementary concepts of men. They were moved by the Holy Spirit to teach and to be guided by it, but never to manipulate their spiritual understanding, by lording it over others.  If there were leaders, they were leaders in spiritual knowledge.  Anyone who desires to know the truth, would value another’s truthful knowledge. 
    “Rulership” under Jesus Christ is unfathomable in this world of hate and desire to control others. This ruler is the enemy of Christ, so why would Christ condone established religion in the rulers’ realm? (John 8:36)  His “rule” is based on love.  There would be no room for abuse, lies, failed doctrine, victims suffering at the hands of evil rulers, or the concept that religion must be built with money and riches of all sorts. (Matt 19:21)
    What we see developed by men and their preferable religious beliefs, is called centralized religious authority.  Jesus dissolved the earthly, and set up the spiritual. (John 2:19-22)  But men have either rejected it, or chose what they like from his teachings, to create their elemental concept of centralized religion.
    I meet with anointed and those not anointed. We understand that love is not regulated by men, and that there is no power over us except that of the Father and Jesus Christ.  We treat each other equally, men and women together.   But we also realize that among us are those who have been blessed with spiritual insight, those who have received valuable knowledge through the inspiration of Holy Spirit.  And more than one, happen to be women.  We listen to their understanding; yet, we listen also to each other, learning from our individual experiences, and all grow together in spirit.  We take note of the anointed gifts Jesus has given certain individuals, but we do not kowtow to the person, simply because of the gift.   
    For a man who does not claim to be joined to one established, concrete religion, but uses the term “religious office”, tells me you are under the influence of the world of established religion.  Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?  But how could they, if you are not part of an earthly organized church?  Nonetheless, dear SM, your concept of religion under Jesus Christ, is not according to the spirit of God, but of the world.  The two, cannot be mixed.
    Luke 22:24-27; John 4:21-24; 1 Cor 2:12; 1:26-31; Gal 4:3; Col 3:2;Phil 3:17-19
     
    Did the apostles really rule over the earthly concept of organization?  Not according to Paul:
    Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,
    “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
        nor the heart of man imagined,
    what God has prepared for those who love him”—
    10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
    14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.  1 Cor 2
    If a woman is a teacher or an inspired prophet from God, who are you to judge prematurely, especially since your mind is on "earthly things"?  You will know them by their "fruits".  Matt 7:15-20
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Yes, Deborah was a judge over Israel.  The anointed, both male and female are the priesthood of “Israel”.  They are the “saints” that Paul spoke of here:
    “Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?” 1 Cor 6:2
    Now, there is no segregation between what “saints” will judge the world.  Are they men, or women, or both?  It is very apt that God chose Deborah as a judge, so that keen, spiritual individuals can realize that women play a significant role in God’s priesthood – “ministers” yes, but also as prophets and teachers and judges. (Eph 2:20-22)
    So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality, 35 but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.”  Acts 20:34,35
    Only men, have drawn the line on a woman’s role in God’s priesthood; so far as transforming them into men through Wt's pictorial of what "heaven" and the "144,000" will look like.  
    Gal 3:28 (written by Paul) – “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”
    The anointed are the spiritual "religious office", if that term must be used.  They have already been designated to care for God's sheep.  The foundation of this temple in Christ began with anointed, and continued to grow by faithful anointed being added.    (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10)
    Men, like yourself, have fabricated a different "body", built with uninspired men; which also has aided the development of the Wt.   As I have said, all anointed are inspired at their anointing, for a purpose.  THEY are the chosen, to serve all believers in Christ, and teach them God's laws. in Christ. (Mal 2:7; Heb 8:10)   Men, have built their authoritative power by eliminating God's choice, not only in anointed men; but also in anointed women.  That is where the elder body has become the "man of lawlessness".  2 Thess 2:1-4
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Just so you know up front, I don't read all that you write, but certain things pop out such as the above.  
    Two people can look at the same scene with two different perspectives.  Jesus’ perspective was heavenly, spiritual, inspired.  He was preparing a people to also be heavenly, spiritual, and inspired. The Pharisees rejected this spiritual perspective, and instead held onto and loved their corrupted element of rule over others.   The term “religious office” is elementary, based on today’s works in the world of men.  What was once the concept of seeing “religion” in the spiritual realm with blessings reaching humans on the created earth, has been corrupted to “fit” the desires of men, who assign each other with created label to hold created “offices”. 
    These have nothing to do with the gifts of the Spirit. Men, like elders not anointed have robbed the concept of Christ’s gifts given to his spiritual anointed body, and changed them to fit their earthly needs, to fit themselves, and an organization.  (Eph 4:4-16)   They are applying what they chose from the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, to help run their debased organization. “The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, but men use this power to create a demanding “religion” of authority over others.  The apostles did not teach “organization” according to the elementary concepts of men. They were moved by the Holy Spirit to teach and to be guided by it, but never to manipulate their spiritual understanding, by lording it over others.  If there were leaders, they were leaders in spiritual knowledge.  Anyone who desires to know the truth, would value another’s truthful knowledge. 
    “Rulership” under Jesus Christ is unfathomable in this world of hate and desire to control others. This ruler is the enemy of Christ, so why would Christ condone established religion in the rulers’ realm? (John 8:36)  His “rule” is based on love.  There would be no room for abuse, lies, failed doctrine, victims suffering at the hands of evil rulers, or the concept that religion must be built with money and riches of all sorts. (Matt 19:21)
    What we see developed by men and their preferable religious beliefs, is called centralized religious authority.  Jesus dissolved the earthly, and set up the spiritual. (John 2:19-22)  But men have either rejected it, or chose what they like from his teachings, to create their elemental concept of centralized religion.
    I meet with anointed and those not anointed. We understand that love is not regulated by men, and that there is no power over us except that of the Father and Jesus Christ.  We treat each other equally, men and women together.   But we also realize that among us are those who have been blessed with spiritual insight, those who have received valuable knowledge through the inspiration of Holy Spirit.  And more than one, happen to be women.  We listen to their understanding; yet, we listen also to each other, learning from our individual experiences, and all grow together in spirit.  We take note of the anointed gifts Jesus has given certain individuals, but we do not kowtow to the person, simply because of the gift.   
    For a man who does not claim to be joined to one established, concrete religion, but uses the term “religious office”, tells me you are under the influence of the world of established religion.  Somehow, you have decided you are a Preacher by perhaps your own labeling; or, did others give you that label?  But how could they, if you are not part of an earthly organized church?  Nonetheless, dear SM, your concept of religion under Jesus Christ, is not according to the spirit of God, but of the world.  The two, cannot be mixed.
    Luke 22:24-27; John 4:21-24; 1 Cor 2:12; 1:26-31; Gal 4:3; Col 3:2;Phil 3:17-19
     
    Did the apostles really rule over the earthly concept of organization?  Not according to Paul:
    Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. 7 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But, as it is written,
    “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
        nor the heart of man imagined,
    what God has prepared for those who love him”—
    10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.
    14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.  1 Cor 2
    If a woman is a teacher or an inspired prophet from God, who are you to judge prematurely, especially since your mind is on "earthly things"?  You will know them by their "fruits".  Matt 7:15-20
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It is strange that some people will agree that some prophecy in scripture can have more than one fulfillment. Some prophecies have a small fulfillment, and then many years later, a much bigger fulfillment.  
    That is my reasoning behind the Acts scripture that I use. Yes indeed it was fulfilled in a small way at Pentecost 33, but that does not mean it will not be fulfilled in a much bigger way through the Anointed Remnant, before Armageddon. 
    The Apostle John was one of the Anointed / chosen ones, and the Anointed Remnant are also of the chosen ones.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    So doesn’t God support gender equality when He promises "144,000" that they are all kings and priests regardless of gender? What they will be in heaven (or on earth) with Christ? Male, female or both or neither?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Do you support the idea that all JW members are “uninspired prophets” in any context of the meaning of that word? And would a more modern name ("Jehovah's Prophets") suit them better today in this present modern era, than the one given to them by Rutherford in the past?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is.  
    Yes, I am aware of this flip-flop about using this particular term i WTJWorg publications.
    Agree  , they are “Normal Prophets” with flip-flop doctrines and understanding with variable knowledge of unimportant things.
    So according to your logic, it is quite normal that "uninspired prophets" have full freedom and permission to prophesy whatever seems right to them, even if it was complete nonsense for those "uninspired prophets" who later reject previous "prophecies" or adapt it to new level of knowledge.
    If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.
    You have the wrong source of information about this thing.
     
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    Witness reacted to ApostaBabe Linda James in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
    that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
     If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
    "excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
    Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
    I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
    To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
    Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    WTJWorg addressed the topic of “prophets” in their Insight encyclopedia. I went to their site to be reminded of what they wrote. Of course, JWs tend to use a certain term in a way and in a model that suits them in a particular situation.
    A “normal JW” will never use the term “prophet” on himself, but most often “witness”, “announcer”, "publisher" and the like. But also, when JW would talk about “prophets” he would use the terms “inspired” (from God or from the devil) and even more significant terminology is “true and false prophet”.
    Analogously, are JWs true or false (prophets) publishers and witnesses today?
    JWs deal with interpretations of the biblical text and predictions of events from biblical texts that are enigmatic or in the form of prophecy. When they make a mistake in interpretations, they are "false prophets", aren't they? And when their doctrine will remain unchanged forever then we will be able to call them “true prophets,” right?
    How does a “normal JW prophet” come to “knowledge”? Through verbal and written "prophecy" of GB, of course. GB is The Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JWs, and they are Guardian of Doctrine. So the “normal JW” is just a transmitter of GB "revelations", not some sort of “prophet” who, through personal spiritual effort, came up with the impetus for “prophecy” with the help/incentive  of "spirit".
    "Normal JW prophet" works on the copy / paste model. They absorb information from "earthly mother organization"  and then transmit it through public preaching. JW "prophesies" (about) his faith in .....this and that.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now ?   
    Is the door-to-door work, run by JW members (Christians), a non-inspired prophecy work?
    Analogously, are they, JWs, uninspired prophets?
     
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