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About this judgment of spiritual death known as disfellowshipping, and the dispelling of the innocent:
“They will put you out of the synagogues; (“congregations”)  yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. 3 And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. 4 But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them.”  John 16:2-4
“Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”  Luke 12:51-53
“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.  11 Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”  Matt 5:10-12
Again, Jesus is speaking to his own people – who attended the synagogues where Israel gathered. 
The false prophet in Revelation 13:11,12,15 directs a “Beast”/organization that spiritually “kills” those who refuse to “worship”/admire the Beast. Rev 13:4  This Beast conquers the anointed ones (spiritual “Israel”) through blasphemy.  Rev 13:5-7; 16:13; 17:3
It’s all there, and enacted today in the organization.  Those who are “thrown out of the synagogues” for Christ’s sake are ultimately the victorious ones, breaking free of captivity to confusion, the meaning of “Babylon”.  Rev 18:4-8
 
 
 
 
 

What your leaders are doing by disfellowshipping, "killing" those who serve Christ and not false "christs", fulfills prophesy.  Did you think it would never be revealed?   
Matt 24:24; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9--12; Rev 13:1,2,4-11,14-17; Rev 11:1-3,7; Zech, chapter 4

What your leaders are doing by disfellowshipping, "killing" those who serve Christ and not false "christs", fulfills prophesy.  Did you think it would never be revealed?   
Matt 24:24; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4,9--12; Rev 13:1,2,4-11,14-17; Rev 11:1-3,7; Zech, chapter 4

They cast lots, an age old Jewish tradition.  When in doubt, cast lots.  Does God always answer our prayers according to what we desire?  Did the Holy Spirit tell these men to cast lots in order to choose a 12th apostle?  No.  They decided to choose someone to fill in for Judas, who was never a 12th apostle anyway.    Who WAS chosen by Christ to be the 12th apostle and one of the foundations stones of the Temple?  1 Pet 2:5,9; Acts 9:17; 1 Cor 3:10,11; Eph 2:20;  Rev 21:14 ("twelve foundations")  
When it involves choosing a living stone for His Temple,  God makes the choice, not men.    
Who is hating who?  Who condones the spiritual "killing" of their own brother in Christ? John 16:2; Rev 13:15  I certainly don't have that power.      You are saying all those anointed ones who defend Christ's words over the words of a false "christ", are not anointed. Mark 13:22   Wow.  You judge on the same plane as they do.  Falsely, and in blasphemy. Mark 13:22; Rom 14:4; 1 John 3:10-12
You speak of Jesus, but you do not recognize God's true Temple built with living stones on his Body. Isa 43:10;1 Pet 2:5,9,10   Instead, you support "Jehovah's spiritual temple"/organization - an idol. Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4  So, in other words, you support false christs who preach another Jesus; and you put up with it, fulfilling your need to organize according to the desires of men.  2 Cor 11:4; James 3:15 
 

They cast lots, an age old Jewish tradition.  When in doubt, cast lots.  Does God always answer our prayers according to what we desire?  Did the Holy Spirit tell these men to cast lots in order to choose a 12th apostle?  No.  They decided to choose someone to fill in for Judas, who was never a 12th apostle anyway.    Who WAS chosen by Christ to be the 12th apostle and one of the foundations stones of the Temple?  1 Pet 2:5,9; Acts 9:17; 1 Cor 3:10,11; Eph 2:20;  Rev 21:14 ("twelve foundations")  
When it involves choosing a living stone for His Temple,  God makes the choice, not men.    
Who is hating who?  Who condones the spiritual "killing" of their own brother in Christ? John 16:2; Rev 13:15  I certainly don't have that power.      You are saying all those anointed ones who defend Christ's words over the words of a false "christ", are not anointed. Mark 13:22   Wow.  You judge on the same plane as they do.  Falsely, and in blasphemy. Mark 13:22; Rom 14:4; 1 John 3:10-12
You speak of Jesus, but you do not recognize God's true Temple built with living stones on his Body. Isa 43:10;1 Pet 2:5,9,10   Instead, you support "Jehovah's spiritual temple"/organization - an idol. Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4  So, in other words, you support false christs who preach another Jesus; and you put up with it, fulfilling your need to organize according to the desires of men.  2 Cor 11:4; James 3:15 
 

I fully expected him to say, you are from Mars, I am from Venus...and we're both idiots.  

I fully expected him to say, you are from Mars, I am from Venus...and we're both idiots.  

On 6/18/2019 at 12:01 AM, BillyTheKid46 said: This is why Jesus never became a formal rabbi with scholarly works. He didn’t need to, just like we don’t need to.
It is fine, as you said @BillyTheKid46 that JW's rejects Formal Religious Education. I am little surprised how in own comments you looking for supports of sources that belong to Formal Education of this World and Religions. :))
  

I have never added to or taken away from God's Word.  That is WT's strong suit.  Do you need examples?  

The key is, JESUS told the 70 men to go by 2.  Not a panel of 8 men who consistently change their doctrine.  Not an elder body appointed by 8 men who consistently change their doctrine.  (they are “drunk” on their own brand of “wine”/spirit/teachings, Matt 24:48-51)                                                                                                                                         He said the Father would send the Helper in his name, not develop an organization on the earth where Satan has a field day with confusion and deceit…to assist in preaching truth;  the good news.  John 14:26   Those who are given this help, testify about Christ – not about an organization!  John 15:26
Let me specify.  During the last days, who receives the “good news”?
Matt 10:6,23; Rev 11:1-3 -  “Israel”…the royal priesthood…the “remnant”…the “Temple” of God…the “kings of the earth. (1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 5:9,10)
Why?
God’s anointed are “conquered”.  (“overcome, conquered”, “prevail”, “get the victory “)  Rev 13:7
Has the Watchtower made this known to God’s people?  That the anointed are overcome during the last days by a false prophet and its Beast/organization?  (evidence of deceit)  Revelation chapter 13; Dan 12:7 
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God. 2 Thess 2:3,4
Who has replaced God’s priesthood? The Temple of God?  (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)  Who “represent the royal priesthood”? 
The elder body, at the heart of the organization, who have the power to inflict pain and suffering on their “victims” – those anointed not “sealed” in the heavens, as well as all JWs with them.    Rev 9:2-6; 13:1,2,5,6
On the surface, does it appear that the anointed are overcome, or conquered? Luke 21:8; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10  No, because it comes in the form of deceit.  Rev 16:12-14  A “spiritual paradise” masks the reality.  1 Thess 5:3  The anointed know they must preach.  So, conveniently, the Watchtower “preaches” a basic truth, yet it is riddled with lies and failures.   Once “in”, having been captivated by what initially seems “the truth”,  they are caught in the web of deceit. Jesus warned us that it would happen in the last days. Matt 24:3-5  The organization becomes their god of salvation, inseparable from the true God. Isa 46:5  This isn’t new, but a repeat of history in the nation of Israel, mixing idolatry with worship to God.  2 Kings 17:7-12   However, the minute an anointed one stands up and speaks truth by recognizing their true Head, Jesus Christ.  What happens?   If any desire to heed Christ’s words, they are judged by this counterfeit priesthood as “dead”.
 “And it was given to him to put breath into the image of the beast, in order that the image of the beast both spoke and caused that all those, unless they worshiped the image of the beast, should be killed. “  Rev 13:15
Can YOU separate God from the organization?  Your words say no.     Before the Watchtower came along, was salvation possible for true believers who listened to Christ and worshiped in “spirit and truth”?  Of course!  John 4:23,24  So, what changed?  A working "delusion" came into existence to "trample" the elect by using deceit.  2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12; Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1-3 
 
The “good news” during these last days, is the redemption of “Jacob”/”Israel” for their sins of listening to lies and believing an organization is the way to salvation.  Rev 3:18; 18:4-8
“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations,
And declare it in the isles afar off, and say,
‘He who scattered Israel will gather him,
And keep him as a shepherd does his flock.’
11 For the Lord has redeemed Jacob,
And ransomed him from the hand of one stronger than he. Jer 30:10,11
Redemption doesn’t happen if one remains where deceit and false doctrine exists. (failed doctrine are falsehoods; which are simply, spiritual darkness)  We accept God’s gift by turning away from “organization” by men and worship in spirit and truth.    Isa 42:7,8; 29:18; Acts 26:18
 

I have never added to or taken away from God's Word.  That is WT's strong suit.  Do you need examples?  

The apostles were not organized according to men's standards, but by the standards of God's Holy Spirit.  What we see as "organized" is by the structured standards established for centuries.   Today, we see organizations everywhere, with their set of guidelines, rules and authority.  So, we believe this is how something as important as preaching must be done.  Yet, God's ways are not man's ways, as we can see by the apostles driven solely by Holy Spirit.  Acts 16:6,7; 20:22,23; 8:29,30; Isa 55:8,9 (Ps 50:21)
Can men who think they can run a preaching work by their standards, be giving the right message?  With the WT, the message has been altered so many times, surely it is obvious the Holy Spirit isn't the driving force  behind  the "preaching work".  
And, what if their message isn't reaching those whom Jesus expected it to?  Matt 10:6,23; Rev 11:1-3
 
 
 
 
 

The apostles were not organized according to men's standards, but by the standards of God's Holy Spirit.  What we see as "organized" is by the structured standards established for centuries.   Today, we see organizations everywhere, with their set of guidelines, rules and authority.  So, we believe this is how something as important as preaching must be done.  Yet, God's ways are not man's ways, as we can see by the apostles driven solely by Holy Spirit.  Acts 16:6,7; 20:22,23; 8:29,30; Isa 55:8,9 (Ps 50:21)
Can men who think they can run a preaching work by their standards, be giving the right message?  With the WT, the message has been altered so many times, surely it is obvious the Holy Spirit isn't the driving force  behind  the "preaching work".  
And, what if their message isn't reaching those whom Jesus expected it to?  Matt 10:6,23; Rev 11:1-3
 
 
 
 
 

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It seems to me that a small or large religion can be a cult, or cult-like.  Cults portray the same primary characteristics, which can be traced back to the Destroyer, Satan. Isa 33:1 Such traits have influenced political and religious rulers throughout history.  Cults and cult-like entities destroy lives using four systems of control explained here:
 

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Not long ago, Gerrit Losch asked, “So, whom do you trust?  You fully trust Jehovah, Jesus and the faithful slave.”  “Do you trust me?  I hope so.”  He quoted, Prov 14:15:
“The naive person believes every word.  But the shrewd one ponders each step.” 
The leaders of the organization teach that it is God’s organization. This would mean all instructions, all teachings, would come from God. So, we could surmise that all teachings are trustworthy, that JWs could thoroughly expect their leaders in charge, to tell them the truth as Losch expressed above - truth spoken at all times.  
JWs, you are told that you hear God’s promises when you listen to what the organization teaches you. You are told you love the organization because it teaches you “wonderful truths”. You are admonished to do what the organization wants you to do, because it is God’s proactive organization, always guiding you for your benefit, with your best interests at heart. Isa 48:17,18
However, since your anointed leaders claim not to be inspired by Holy Spirit, how can you trust their teachings as beneficial and coming from God? (1 John 2:27; Rom 5:5) (1 Cor 12:4,7; Heb 2:4)
We’re talking about a multi-million-dollar organization in the earthly spiritual realm that promises to guide you to salvation. (Phil 3:19; Rom 1:25) That’s a big deal! Millions of people depend on it, to lead them in truth; since without truth, we cannot be saved. John 8:32;14:6
Ask yourself, how can it be done without its leaders’ inspiration from Holy Spirit? On a wing and a prayer, as the saying goes? What leads them, what motivates them, if their hearts are not inspired with truth from Christ? (John 16:13; 2 Pet 3:18) (1 John 4:1; 2 Pet 2:1; Rev 8:11;13:15; 16:13,14)
I have heard 1 Cor 13:8 used by one of the GB members, as the reason for lack of inspiration among the organization’s leaders:
“Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will be done away with. Where there are various languages, they will cease. Where there is knowledge, it will be done away with.”
Has knowledge vanished away during these last days? No. Then, why would prophesy cease? Dan 12:4; Rev 11:1-3
Consider verse 9,10: 9 "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10 but when that which is complete has come, then that which is partial will be done away with. "
“That which is complete” has not arrived; thus, prophesy as well as knowledge, has not ceased. John 16:13
(Consider “Has Prophesy Ceased?”  4womaninthewilderness, Pearl Doxsey) 
What if, you found a teaching in the history files (there are several, and easy to find) that wasn’t trustworthy; that is, it couldn’t be applied today since it was replaced with another teaching? And, this teaching affected the promise of salvation for thousands of people? Many may have died under that false teaching, going to their grave believing simply, a lie. Would this be any different than a Catholic going to his grave believing in the trinity? A lie is a lie. God or Jesus would not be responsible for the organization giving you faulty instructions, that later had to be scrapped. It falls on the shoulders of men. Isa 2:22 We must admit that it is an abnormal relationship of a spirit inspired organization (“spirit-directed”), to be led by uninspired leaders. John 3:21; 1 John 1:6; Rev 13:11,12,15
I think you’ll agree that we would never receive bad advice or direction from the Father, because He truly has our best interests at heart. Jer 29:11 So much so, that we received warning from Jesus of false “christs”, false prophets who would come on the scene in the last days to deceive “even the elect”. Matt 24:22-25 Now, the “elect” are the anointed ones, where the majority are gathered presently in the organization. Rev 20:7-9 Would they, as a group, be deceived by false prophets in “Christendom” if they are baptized JWs? Would they, as a group, be 'conquered' spiritually by any false prophets in the world when they are already JWs? Rev 13:7; 9:1-4
The Bible speaks of an anointed “remnant” coming out of “Babylon”. Zech 2:6,7; Matt 24:15,16; Rev 18:4; 12:14,6 If that remnant is the anointed in the organization that have escaped Babylon, as your leaders teach you, this would indicate there are numerous anointed ones in Christendom who never entered the organization. Do you believe this, JWs?
The anointed are a remnant, the last group of the “woman’s seed” to face Satan’s final test before the Kingdom arrives. Rev 12:4,15,17 This test is called the “Great Tribulation”. Jer 30:5-7; Matt 24:21,22; Rev 3:10 Deceit is at its helm, since it is Satan’s greatest, most powerful tool to use against God’s people. 2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12
The Great Tribulation is a spiritual assault by Satan upon the remnant (Rev 12:17; 20:8-10; 16:13-16; 1 Tim 4:1; Luke 21:20-22)
through the greatest Army that has ever existed [Rev 13:1,4; 11:2; 9:7,10; Luke 22:31; 21:20-22,24; Mark 13:14 – (Num 18:7); Matt 24:15,16]
It has a deceptive priestly - princely veneer (Jer 7:4,8; Ezek 44:6-9; Rev 9:7; Nahum 3:17) of divine inspiration*** and approval, through endorsement by the false prophet's lying spirit, not by God's spirit! (Rev 13:14,15; 19:20) (Rev 2:2; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 3:5,13; Matt 7:15; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:14,13,15; 19:20; Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:15--***"breath" -John 2:22).  Pearl Doxsey, “The Great Tribulation, What and Why?” 
 
DECEIT. How do we conquer deceit? By examining each teaching offered by an anointed one, and comparing it to God’s standards through Jesus Christ - to determine if it is true. Matt 7:20; John 15:5 As humans adjusting our spiritual beliefs, we may easily settle for what feels good, but not always for what is right. This last test is one that should purge our minds and hearts of falsehoods, but not all will submit to God’s pure standards of truth. Dan 12:10; Ps 66:10-12; Mal 3:2-4   Not all will be among the “remnant” to “come out of her, my people”. Rev 18:4-8
Will you?  Or, are you the naive one who believes every word that comes from leaders who are not "inspired" by the truth of Christ?
 
Praise Yah!
I will extol YHVH with all my heart
in the council of the upright and in the assembly.
2 Great are the works of YHVH;
they are pondered by all who delight in them.
3 Glorious and majestic are His deeds,
and His righteousness endures forever.
4 He has caused His wonders to be remembered;
YHVH is gracious and compassionate.
5 He provides food for those who fear Him;
He remembers His covenant forever.
6 He has shown his people the power of His works,
giving them the lands of other nations.
7 The works of His hands are faithful and just;
all His precepts are trustworthy.
8 They are established for ever and ever,
enacted in faithfulness and uprightness.
9 He provided redemption for His people;
he ordained His covenant forever—
holy and awesome is His name.
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
all who follow His precepts have good understanding.
To Him belongs eternal praise.
Psalm 111
 

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TEACHING BOX 16A - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017945
Is Christendom the Antitypical Jerusalem?
In the past, our literature has referred to Christendom as the antitype of apostate Jerusalem. The conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—including idolatry and widespread corruption—certainly remind us of what is happening in Christendom. However, in recent years our publications, including the one you are now reading, have not taken the type-antitype approach to prophecy except where the Bible provides a clear basis for doing so. Is there a solid Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem? No.
Consider the following: Jerusalem was at one time a center of pure worship; later, its inhabitants turned apostate. By contrast, Christendom has never practiced pure worship. Right from its inception in the fourth century C.E., Christendom has always taught false doctrine.
In addition, after Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians, Jehovah restored the city to his favor and it again became the center of true worship. Christendom, on the other hand, has never had God’s favor, and once it is destroyed during the great tribulation, it will never rise again.
In view of the foregoing, what may we conclude? When we examine Bible prophecies that were fulfilled on unfaithful Jerusalem, we may say, ‘This or that reminds us of what we see in Christendom today.’ But there appears to be no Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.
 
First, perhaps is about Lexicon, Vocabulary  in JW Culture. When JW Church and members talking about "Christendom" they refer firstly or mostly to Roman Catholic Church and all Churches and Denominations that believe In Jesus Christ...but in wrong, false and idolatrous way. But JW consider themselves to be Christians too, but not part of "Christendom" (by this they quote can be consider as Christendom.  "....we are Christians who do our best to follow the example set by Jesus Christ and to live by his teachings." -https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-a-cult/
Why this linguistic distinction is so important to JW? To be, sometimes, called with name "Christians" but want to run miles away from word "Christendom"?
Christendom - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Christendom
 noun - English Language Learners Definition of Christendom
: people who are Christians
: the part of the world where most people are Christians
But another thing is of bigger importance. Do you remember how many articles and books and magazines taught you all, over such long period of decades, on so many meetings and congregations baked up with so many Bible verses and Study paragraphs about who is Jerusalem and who is Christendom and all that stuff??!!
And now they figured up, they rowed deep, Under Spirit Motivation and Guidance, to tell you how Now there is No Single One Solid Scriptural Basis to believe in that teaching, doctrine, dogma! 
Do You really believe how Church Leaders and Guardians of Doctrine in WTJWORG know what they are talking about , as those who watch for your souls?! 
  

@BillyTheKid46 Quote " I criticize those that think they have the right to criticize the Watchtower. "
What is the Watchtower to you ? What exactly does that word Watchtower mean ?
Who runs that Watchtower, who is in charge ?   
The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania is a non-stock, not-for-profit organization[4] headquartered in Warwick, New York. It is the main legal entity used worldwide by Jehovah's Witnesses to direct, administer and disseminate doctrines for the group and is often referred to by members of the denomination simply as "the Society". It is the parent organization of a number of Watch Tower subsidiaries, including the Watchtower Society of New York and International Bible Students Association.[5][6] The number of voting shareholders of the corporation is limited to between 300 and 500 "mature, active and faithful" male Jehovah's Witnesses.[7] About 5800 Jehovah's Witnesses provide voluntary unpaid labour, as members of a religious order, in three large Watch Tower Society facilities in New York;[8] nearly 15,000 other members of the order work at the Watch Tower Society's other facilities worldwide. 
Governing Body
In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."[53]
Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent).[50] Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.[54]
If this info is correct then the Watchtower is run by the Governing Body. So as bosses of the W/t they are responsible for lies, mistakes, failures, etc of the W/t, and the GB are responsible for lives, and deaths of many people. 
Your idea of using Watchtower as a cover up,  does not work. The Watchtower is known as two things.
1. An Organisation / Society.
2. A magazine.
Which ever you see it as it still has to be run by humans, and have leaders. Those leaders are the Governing Body.  Therefore that GB are responsible for any good or bad that it produces. 
 

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

....and anytime there is NEW LIGHT, it shows the GB DID NOT UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE.
.....  except in Billy-Think ... where you can have it BOTH ways at the same time.
... and a MILLION weasel words will not change that.

Explain, how God has exalted YOU to a position of great responsibility, that YOU will ultimately be judged by God more severely for leading people astray, by making your own definitive claim of superiority and righteousness over everyone else on this forum...that God Himself has not granted YOU by your own actions and behavior.  
Please.  Enlighten me on this marvel.  
You can live with Watchtower's sins.  Many of us cannot.   
Don’t envy the evil
or desire to be with them,
 for their hearts plan violence,
and their words stir up trouble.  Prov 24:1
 

Explain, how God has exalted YOU to a position of great responsibility, that YOU will ultimately be judged by God more severely for leading people astray, by making your own definitive claim of superiority and righteousness over everyone else on this forum...that God Himself has not granted YOU by your own actions and behavior.  
Please.  Enlighten me on this marvel.  
You can live with Watchtower's sins.  Many of us cannot.   
Don’t envy the evil
or desire to be with them,
 for their hearts plan violence,
and their words stir up trouble.  Prov 24:1
 

Explain, how God has exalted YOU to a position of great responsibility, that YOU will ultimately be judged by God more severely for leading people astray, by making your own definitive claim of superiority and righteousness over everyone else on this forum...that God Himself has not granted YOU by your own actions and behavior.  
Please.  Enlighten me on this marvel.  
You can live with Watchtower's sins.  Many of us cannot.   
Don’t envy the evil
or desire to be with them,
 for their hearts plan violence,
and their words stir up trouble.  Prov 24:1