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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Charles Taze Russel, whom the Bible Students cling to.  Unless I'm mistaken, his “Studies in the Scriptures” seems to be their second Bible. 
    The Watchtower buries his teachings, but exalts the man.  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-mwbv_201907_4_VIDEO  (Beginning at 1:16)
    I view both takes as hypocritical. 
    Russell:  “While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family; and also we should remember that some of the qualities which have given this branch of the human family its preeminence in the world are not such as can be pointed to as in all respects admirable...
    The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. Zion's Watch Tower (July 15, 1902), pp. 215-216
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Genetics works EXACTLY the same way for all living things.  The wider and deeper the gene pool, the better the quality of ALL DNA based life forms.
    What CTR said is certainly politically incorrect by today's Snowflake Standards,  but I, after carefully reading these words, would have to totally agree with them, as being incontrovertibly true.
    My first wife and her sister and a brother were born with Cystic Fibrosis, a truly awful death guaranteed, where every day, you die a little bit at a time, until you can no longer breathe, and after years of painful torment, are released , usually with a heart attack from the struggle, before age 30.
    I have my own set of problems, but she died in 1982. ( ...LOoooong story ...).
    We decided to NOT have children.    Too high of a risk to future generations.
    Genetically, with my "problems". I was of inferior genetic stock, and she was of inferior genetic stock,    Like soup stock, you get out of it what you out into it, and neither one of us wanted those genes continued.
    I am ONLY talking about genetics ... not intrinsic value, here.
    By the way ... this disease, Cystic Fibrosis is EXCLUSIVE to marshmallow white Caucasians.
    So I thought about this a great deal, and learned basic genetics, as all I knew was from reading Robert A. Heinlein books, such as "Methuselah's Children", and "Time Enough for Love" .... and went searching for a woman that had a little bit of EVERYTHING in her genetic makeup.
    I found one in Peru ..... Caucasian, Spanish, Peruvian Indian, Negro, etc.
    It worked EXACTLY as I anticipated, and my three children are POWERHOUSES, any way you want to measure it. Also as an added plus!, they have a "built in", year around permanent tan, that I have tried to get, but with fading results.
    I suspect they are embarrassed to be seen with me, as I cannot compete.
    Genetics works EXACTLY the same way for horses, mosquitoes, vegetables, fruits, dogs and cats .... AND HUMANS.
    It is ARROGANCE to think that past genetic "encounters" do not affect peoples, nations, and races in a progressive manner with multiplying effects.
    WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
    IT MEANS OVER TIME, IT'S CUMULATIVE
    ....sigh ..... if only the stupid would JUST be smart enough to not breed.
    Jehovah gave a LOT of attention and instruction to the Jews ...  even ordered them to go far afield to Assemblies of HIS people (not any others),, where presumably young men and women would meet others from a widely diverse gene pool.
    If you have the opportunity to swim in the gene pool .... you get better results if you do not swim in the shallow end ... or more to the point ... your PARENTS did not.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    If Satan can speak truth, so too his ministers, transformed into  "ministers of righteousness".   2 Cor 11:3,4
    If Satan can speak a lie and call it "truth", so too his ministers, transformed into "ministers of righteousness".
    These "ministers" have received all glory and  authority over the "House of God", the anointed ones; just as Satan promised.  
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Charles Taze Russel, whom the Bible Students cling to.  Unless I'm mistaken, his “Studies in the Scriptures” seems to be their second Bible. 
    The Watchtower buries his teachings, but exalts the man.  https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/LatestVideos/pub-mwbv_201907_4_VIDEO  (Beginning at 1:16)
    I view both takes as hypocritical. 
    Russell:  “While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family; and also we should remember that some of the qualities which have given this branch of the human family its preeminence in the world are not such as can be pointed to as in all respects admirable...
    The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. Zion's Watch Tower (July 15, 1902), pp. 215-216
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    Inside WTJWRG Institution one thing is of crucial importance. Who are those people who have authorization to govern, rule, lead this organization and people who are members/believers? Who are those people who represent JHVH and Jesus and their Will?
    In this WT article authors tried to explain history of this.  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-february-2017/who-is-leading-gods-people-today/
    Why this article is interesting (again) in connection to topic? Here is some quotes from pages of this article:
    CAN YOU EXPLAIN?
    In the first century and today, how have those taking the lead among God’s people been . . .
    empowered by holy spirit?
    assisted by angels?
    guided by God’s Word?
    .... Jesus had given his followers a commission: “You will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the most distant part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8) How could they possibly complete that assignment? True, Jesus had assured them that they would soon receive holy spirit. (Acts 1:5) Still, an international preaching campaign required direction and organization. To direct and organize his people in ancient times, Jehovah used visible representatives.
    Famous paragraph 12:  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. 
    As we can see from box in WT magazine under question Can you explain? author AVOID to use direct word "Inspired" and instead this explicit sort of spirit manifestation as it is commonly viewed while reading Bible (for example, to write holy scriptures, to tell something as prophecy or command from God, to heal the sick....etc) author put word - empowered by HS. And now author give factual example from 1 century:  
    Holy spirit was poured out on all anointed Christians, but it specifically enabled the apostles and other elders in Jerusalem to fulfill their role as overseers. For example, in 49 C.E., holy spirit guided the governing body to make a decision regarding the issue of circumcision. 
    Author highlights 2 things. First is ROLE of OVERSEEING. And second is about MAKING DECISIONS. In contrast or continuation to this  1 century example, author of article later emphasized this:  
    In 1919, three years after Brother Russell’s death, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave.” For what purpose? To give his domestics “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45)......
    Evidence of holy spirit. The holy spirit has helped the Governing Body to grasp Scriptural truths not previously understood. For example, reflect on the list of beliefs clarified that was referred to in the preceding paragraph. Surely, no human deserves credit for discovering and explaining these “deep things of God”! (Read 1 Corinthians 2:10.)
    Here we have just statements of author who firmly say that FDS aka GB been appointed by Jesus in 1919. But another thing is something what call on more alarm. As Evidence of holy spirit is, situation when this Body grasp something as Truth under holy spirit helping or empowering. 
    In this explanation one thing is very questionable and somehow danger. In period from 1919 (we shall not talking about 1 century GB or about Angel Assistance today) this entity who "share" food under title: Bible Truth, with supposed help of holy spirit, in fact they had  spread "Fake Truths", they later changed into "Real Truths".  Some doctrines they  produced in few steps as yes-no-yes ... truths. Here we comes to possible conclusion how reason for that errors, according to this article, was not in Human Representatives of Jesus here on Earth. No, reason and cause for that is in holy spirit who has "empowered" them in that confusing way and direction.
    Because other two elements in this equation (assisted by angels +  guided by God’s Word) was not been sufficient and powerful enough to correct wrong direction made by empowering influence of holy spirit. :)))) 
    Here we see how "blame" for errors and imperfect food can be found in the same reasons why food can be good and eatable too, after some period of time (in refrigerator :))), of course. The way how this article try to prove the credibility of GB for task of sharing the food,  becomes nonsensical.
    But, pay attention to this: 
    empowered =
    having the official authority or freedom to do something  https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/empowered
    having the knowledge, confidence, means, or ability to do things or make decisions for oneself                       https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empowered 
    Here we see how this definition changed our view on issue and article. Why they used word EMPOWERED in connection to spiritual food? In fact, according to Dictionaries, WT magazine talk about Power of GB Over People. Here it is not ISSUE about Food Quality, Truth or Lie, Perfection or Imperfection. IT IS ALL ABOUT CONTROL.  
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Isn't this an idol?   
    Please analyze the word "truth".  Especially truth from God and Christ.  
    Don’t be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters. 17 Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.   James 1:16,17
    Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.  Mark 11:24
    Do you believe the GB are asking for a good and perfect gift of truth from the Father?  "What does the record show?", as they have said.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Isn't this an idol?   
    As Jesus said to his people that chose to follow HIM:
    “Blessed [morally courageous and spiritually alive with life-joy in God’s goodness] are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil things against you because of [your association with] Me. Be glad and exceedingly joyful, for your reward in heaven is great [absolutely inexhaustible]; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."  Matt 5:11,12 (AMP)
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Isn't this an idol?   
    Truth isn't for everyone.
    Very true. Truth is not for the GB of JW Org that's for sure. 
    If you study topics on here you will see, amongst the  'sarcasm and agendas', that there is a lot of serious conversation.
    Quote "People cannot act decent.'   Are you blind to the Child Sexual Abuse within the JW Org / Watchtower ? 
    Now then tell me, people cannot act decent.  And that is inside the Org. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Isn't this an idol?   
    Question: Is @Foreigner real person or someones clone just for purpose of down voting? :)))
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Isn't this an idol?   
    My first downvote ever, since being a member here.  I am awestruck by the stupidity.  Notice, I am not calling you "stupid", but sir, your brain as well as your heart totally lacks spiritual sensitivity.  I feel so sorry for you.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in What concept/concepts is behind the term "inspired"?   
    We can be inspired to climb a mountain, paint a picture, have a family, etc., by our own mind and spirit.  But, a person can receive  spiritual influence from either an evil spirit or the Spirit from God. 
    Now God has revealed these things to us by the Spirit, for the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man that is in him? In the same way, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who comes from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God. 
    We:  those anointed with Holy Spirit.
    The spirit of the world:  the earthly, elemental influence of the world. Eph 2:1-3; Col 3:5; James 3:15
    13 We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.
    This is “inspiration”, being “inspired” by God’s Spirit.  Everyone who is anointed has spirit poured into their heart. Rom 5:5; Titus 3:6,7   They are “inspired”; but, they can bury this inspiration – suppress it, within their heart.  They can choose not to submit to the Spirit, by listening to another spirit – that of false prophets, false teachers whose hearts are “inspired” by the spirit of the world. 2 Pet 3:17 They can also listen to themselves, to their spirit, their understanding, and not what the Spirit of God teaches. Prov 3:5,6; Hos 9:7  They can eventually lose the Spirit of God and replace it with the external demonic spirit from Satan.  James 3:11; 2 Cor 13:5
    14 But the unbeliever does not welcome what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually. 15 The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone.
    At one point, Jesus “breathed” spirit onto the apostles.  This was before they were anointed. 
    Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 After saying this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”   John 20:21,22
    They were “inspired” Rom 5:5; Titus 3:6,7  The Spirit of God takes up residence within a heart. John 14:23;  That person “receives the Holy Spirit”, along with the gift it gives them.  1 Cor 12:4,7; Heb 2:4  It is an outside source that “inspires” one’s actions and thoughts, giving them direction in understanding spiritual things.  It is how God and Jesus speak to us, through those anointed whom Jesus sends.  John 13:20; Matt 10:40
    Yet, anyone can be “inspired” or influenced or motivated by either an evil spirit or the Spirit from God.  We are to guard our heart and mind from the sources of evil.  Prov 4:34
    Now the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and the teachings of demons.   1 Tim 4:1
    Paying attention to lies and allowing their influence to permeate our spiritual being can become one’s “inspiration”.    The GB say they are not inspired.  We should ask why, if indeed they are anointed.  And, we should consider what influences their thinking.  Is it the Spirit of Truth?  Or, is it the influence of the spirit of the world?  There is some force that inspires their teachings.  If it includes falsehoods of doctrine no longer valid, then these men have been inspired by another spirit.  Matt 12:34  The Spirit of Truth has not inspired men to teach what is on the list of “Beliefs Clarified”, keeping all JWs on a crooked path of darkness.  Not a single glimmer of the light of Christ can be found on that list.  Not one glimmer. John 8:12; Matt 5:16
     I wish JWs desired pure truth, the pure light from Christ.  It is as if JWs do not believe it is possible. To put it crudely, men are yanking your chain, JWs, leading you along with falsehoods, and you don’t even care to discern this deceit; or, stop it from influencing you.  Your leaders are so convincing, that you believe Jesus and the Father are doing the yanking!  
    JWs visualize and accept that changed teachings by men are a normal spiritual occurrence. It isn’t normal according to the Spirit of God. A Beast/organization has been given the title of “spirit directed” by a false prophet who admits it is not “inspired” by God. Rev 13:11,14-17  It is directed by demonic expressions – inspirations that were foretold to come against God’s people in the last days.  Rev 16:13,14; 20:9
    And you don’t see it.  Isa 6:9,10; Acts 28:26,27
    “When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father—He will testify about Me. “John 15:26 
    “When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak whatever He hears. He will also declare to you what is to come.”
    “He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive Him because it doesn’t see Him or know Him. But you do know Him, because He remains with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you.”  John 14:17,18
    THIS IS WHAT THE GB DOES NOT HAVE  AND WHICH WAS PROMISED TO COME - THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH.   And they admit it.  
     
     
     
    Pearl Doxsey – “Eye Salve, Humility and Repentance” 4womaninthewilderness
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Isn't this an idol?   
    My first downvote ever, since being a member here.  I am awestruck by the stupidity.  Notice, I am not calling you "stupid", but sir, your brain as well as your heart totally lacks spiritual sensitivity.  I feel so sorry for you.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Isn't this an idol?   
    My first downvote ever, since being a member here.  I am awestruck by the stupidity.  Notice, I am not calling you "stupid", but sir, your brain as well as your heart totally lacks spiritual sensitivity.  I feel so sorry for you.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Isn't this an idol?   
    My first downvote ever, since being a member here.  I am awestruck by the stupidity.  Notice, I am not calling you "stupid", but sir, your brain as well as your heart totally lacks spiritual sensitivity.  I feel so sorry for you.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Isn't this an idol?   
    A funny thing was that in Bristol Filton Congregation, here in England,  brothers would wear football ties to support their favorite football teams   Now wasn't that being no part of the world  , and didn't it cause bad feelings amongst brothers that supported different teams. Somethings you see in the Org do really make ya laugh. 
    JW Org ties being sold online then are they ?  I remember a line from a film "The money is in the merchandise"...... 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Isn't this an idol?   
    It seems how i will lose very quickly my  Total Reputation with BTK down votes :)))))) What if exactly that is his Secret Mission .... to DFD me from this place ? 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in NOURISHING SPIRITUAL FOOD REVISITED - THE "TRUE VINE", CHRIST   
    An elder told my son once that obeying the “slave” no matter what is taught, is a means to an end.
    What is the end?  A good reputation with God?  Eternal life?   How does one receive life from blind doctrine and made up rules such as, “counting time” in the ministry?  What does that prove, but that the organization needs to tweak things here and there to stay afloat? 
    This poor elder struggles against his very conscience of what is right and what is wrong.  He chooses the wrong, thinking he will be rewarded by his obedience to men who have convinced him that they are appointed by God. 
    It is so disheartening.  When would God ever expect us to listen to lies?
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in NOURISHING SPIRITUAL FOOD REVISITED - THE "TRUE VINE", CHRIST   
    For the ear tests words
        as the tongue tastes food. - Job 34:3
    But WTJWORG, to prevent testing of human's doctrines in JW religion gave "Fatherly advice";
    You must obey all instructions we tell you to do, even if you have questions about them and even if that not sound reasonable according to your understanding and your conscience. You must trust GB because JHVH and Jesus trust them. You must avoid all and everything we don't authorized and approved.
    What a trap! What a fraud! 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in NOURISHING SPIRITUAL FOOD REVISITED - THE "TRUE VINE", CHRIST   
    “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”  1 John 4:1
    Jesus gave us complete directions on how to do “test the spirits”.  Notice what Jesus said:
     “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.  Every branch in me that does not produce fruit he removes, and he prunes every branch that produces fruit so that it will produce more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.  Remain in me, and I in you. Just as a branch is unable to produce fruit by itself unless it remains on the vine, neither can you unless you remain in me.  I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me.
    My Father is glorified by this: that you produce much fruit and prove to be my disciples.”  John 15:5,8
     
    This “fruit” that Jesus speaks of, is the teaching of pure, clean truth.  It cannot be a “present truth” or a past truth, or a “let’s suppose” type of truth, or “evidently” a truth.  It is sourced in the vine, the Head of the anointed Body. Eph 5:23; Col 1:18  
    Can we be fooled into thinking that all anointed priests are attached to the vine of Christ?  In my years in the organization, I was greatly fooled.  In fact, these scriptures held little deep meaning for me.  I simply believed that “nourishing spiritual food” was made available in the form of magazines and oral presentations; and I could count on the governing body to provide this food, which was then dispersed by the elder body.  What I didn’t realize, is that the word, “truth” became generalized, all-encompassing, by including the opinions of men that became “doctrine”.   
    This is not what Jesus meant when he said, “bear much fruit”.  The opinions and doctrine of men cannot bring us life.  Only the Holy Spirit that flows through the vine, is life-giving.
     
    Jesus is the TRUE "vine"...those anointed in union with him, are the "branches" (John 15:4,5). 
    What they receive from Jesus (the "nourishing sap" -Rom 11:17; Rev 22:16), is holy spirit (Rom 5:5). 
    The branches are to express that spirit (Luke 5:45), as God (the "vine's cultivator -John 15:1) has determined and distributed (1 Cor 12:4,11,18,28; 7:7; Eph 4:7; Heb 2:4).  
    Those branches are then expected to produce fruit (John 15:2,6; Matt 7:19; Gal 5:22,25; Eph 4:29,12,16; Luke 6:45,44)...which include sayings of life... fruit which is filled with that living water/holy spirit sourced in Christ, the true vine (Rev 22:17). Those who eat the fruit of the true vine and it's true branches, will live!
    This is why, not only is Christ the Tree of Life,
    his 144000 also are (Rev 22:1,2; John 13:20).
    So, when God's spirit is sent out into the earth (in order to examine hearts, give understanding, provide life, judge, etc.), it is channeled through the person of Jesus Christ. He is the mediator between God and man (including Adam) (1 Tim 2:5,6,4), even back in Eden   (John 1:1-4,18) (Gen 3:8). 
    (Pearl Doxsey – “The Garden of Eden/New Creation/Seven Spirits/Tree of Life/The true Vine, 4womaninthewilderness)
    If religious leaders deceive us by saying truth includes men’s theories and doctrine, and with it expectations to uphold any and all teachings, we most certainly should conclude their teachings are not “sound”. We may surmise that another vine exists with branches producing an abundant deadly fruit, source in another spirit – the spirit of deception.  2 Tim 4:3,4; Titus 2:7,8; 2 Thess 2:9-12 
     
    Pearl’s words:     Wine is a product of the "vine" (see John 15:5,16; Heb 13:15). Yes, without Jesus Christ the true vine...sending Holy Spirit to those branches that remain "in union" with him (John 15:5B; 1 John 2:28) there will be no "fruit" (Matt 7:20,17; 12:33,35,37; John 7:16-18).

    That spiritual fruit produced (teachings, sayings)
    and it's wine (fruit made ready for spiritual ingestion)
    are the end product of Holy Spirit being poured out upon anointed prophets
    (1 John 2:20,27; John 16:13; Exod 4:12; Matt 10:20; Rev 11:3,4; Zech 4:14; Mark 9:4).

    That wine can be fine truths sourced in God's holy spirit...
    or the false prophets who bear rotten fruit (Matt 7:15,16; 12:33,34; John 7:18). The false prophets will offer poisonous wine...doctrines leading to death (Jer 2:21; Deut 32:33,32; Ps 140:3; Rom 3:13).

    God tells us the future of these anointed who leave the "True Vine" Christ, in order to mislead for the profit of their own power and glory(John 7:18A; Jer 25:30,29; Rev 18:3,4; 14:18,19)   These forbid partaking of the True "olive oil and the wine" (Rev 6:6; 13:17). 
    The scriptures tell us of another vine where the branches are leaders and priests who have left the “True Vine” Christ. 
    Deut 32:28,29,32,33:
    Israel is a nation lacking sense
    with no understanding at all.
     If only they were wise, they would comprehend this;
    they would understand their fate.
    For their vine is from the vine of Sodom
    and from the fields of Gomorrah.
    Their grapes are poisonous;
    their clusters are bitter.
    Their wine is serpents’ venom,
    the deadly poison of cobras.
    The Bible speaks of spiritual “Israel” today as also a nation “without sense”, drunk on the poisonous wine of wayward teachings.  Heb 12:15; Rev 8:11;  Jer 51:7; Rev 18:3  Its fruit produced, is according to the wishes of men in a “city” compared to “Sodom and Egypt”. Gen 13:13; Isa 1:2,10; Rev 11:7,8
    What comes from eating fruit from a branch of a vine other than Christ?  Freedom?  No, the scriptures say that this fruit is offered with a price; slavery and oppression with no chance of compromising without losing all that one may have known. Luke 21:24; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 9:3-5,10; 13:6,7,15
    However, should any of us compromise when it comes to living truth?  John 17:17 
    “Calling the crowd along with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone wants to follow after me, let him deny himself, take up his stake, and follow me.  For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life because of me and the gospel will save it.  For what does it benefit someone to gain the whole world and yet lose his life?  What can anyone give in exchange for his life?  For whoever is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”  Mark 8:34-38
    The Bible tells us that this city is steeped in harlotry, where God and “organization” rival for one’s devotion and service. Isa 1:21; 2 Cor 6:14,15; Rev 17:1,2; Rev 13:11,15,4  Jesus cleanses and restores a repentant remnant who perceive the distinction between the vine of Sodom leading to darkness and death, and the true vine of life in Christ. Rev 3:18,19; Isa 1:25-17; Mal 3:3; Rev 18:4-8    Rev 3:18,19; Isa 1:25-17; Mal 3:3; Rev 18:4-8 
     
    Israel is a lush vine;
    it yields fruit for itself.
    The more his fruit increased,
    the more he increased the altars.
    The better his land produced,
    the better they made the sacred pillars.
    2 Their hearts are devious;
    now they must bear their guilt.
    The Lord will break down their altars
    and demolish their sacred pillars.
    In fact, they are now saying,
    “We have no king!
    For we do not fear the Lord.
    What can a king do for us?”
    4 They speak mere words,
    taking false oaths while making covenants.
    So lawsuits break out
    like poisonous weeds in the furrows of a field.
    I will discipline them at my discretion;
    nations will be gathered against them
    to put them in bondage
    for their double iniquity.
    The high places of Aven, the sin of Israel, (Aven definition, “Bethel and its calf worship”)
    will be destroyed;
    thorns and thistles will grow over their altars.
    They will say to the mountains, “Cover us!”
    and to the hills, “Fall on us!”
    Sow righteousness for yourselves
    and reap faithful love;
    break up your unplowed ground.
    It is time to seek the Lord
    until he comes and sends righteousness
    on you like the rain.
    13 You have plowed wickedness and reaped injustice;
    you have eaten the fruit of lies.
    Because you have trusted in your own way
    and in your large number of soldiers  Hos 10:1-4,12,13
     
     


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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    Rant? Ohh, i like bigger font to see it better, Not to produce noise and loud talking :)))
    WTJWORG? That is my amalgam for naming two dominant things, components of your Organization, one is Corporation and another is Religion 
    Nature? The type or main characteristic of something
    Did i lost you? :)))) 
  21. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    This is the blind leading those who must remain "blind" to the errors in teaching taught blindly...all because God has one's interests at heart?
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in SAME VS. DIFFERENT   
    “Same vs. different” is a typical worksheet handed out to preschool and kindergarten children.  In the pictures below, would you consider them the “same”, or “different”? 
    Watchtower 11/1/1990 p. 26
    LOOKING TO AN ORGANIZATION FOR SALVATION IS... Idolatry

    Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities
    As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization. 


    Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1
    ONE MUST COME TO THE WATCHTOWER ORGANIZATION FOR SALVATION

    Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization 
    Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established.  
    Although these two quotes appear to be “different”, they are in fact, the same… hypocrisy. 
    Matt 12:37; John 9:41; Luke 12:1
    Pearl Doxsey ( 4womaninthewilderness), consider “An Illustration/Great Deception”
     
     
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    Not necessarily, and we know the prophets gave us insight into the last days.
    Call to me when trouble comes;
        I will save you,
        and you will praise me.”
     But God says to the wicked,
        “Why should you recite my commandments?
        Why should you talk about my covenant?
     You refuse to let me correct you;
        you reject my commands.
     You become the friend of every thief you see,
        and you associate with adulterers.
     “You are always ready to speak evil;
        you never hesitate to tell lies.
     You are ready to accuse your own relatives
      and to find fault with them.
     You have done all this, and I have said nothing,
        so you thought that I am like you.
    But now I reprimand you
        and make the matter plain to you.  Ps 50:14-21
     
    God says,
    “For a long time I kept silent;
        I did not answer my people.
    But now the time to act has come;
      I cry out like a woman in labor.
    I will destroy the hills and mountains
        and dry up the grass and trees.
    I will turn the river valleys into deserts
        and dry up the pools of water.
    “I will lead my blind people
        by roads they have never traveled.
    I will turn their darkness into light
        and make rough country smooth before them.
    These are my promises,
        and I will keep them without fail.
     All who trust in idols,
        who call images their gods,
        will be humiliated and disgraced.”  Isa 42:14-17
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    Not necessarily, and we know the prophets gave us insight into the last days.
    Call to me when trouble comes;
        I will save you,
        and you will praise me.”
     But God says to the wicked,
        “Why should you recite my commandments?
        Why should you talk about my covenant?
     You refuse to let me correct you;
        you reject my commands.
     You become the friend of every thief you see,
        and you associate with adulterers.
     “You are always ready to speak evil;
        you never hesitate to tell lies.
     You are ready to accuse your own relatives
      and to find fault with them.
     You have done all this, and I have said nothing,
        so you thought that I am like you.
    But now I reprimand you
        and make the matter plain to you.  Ps 50:14-21
     
    God says,
    “For a long time I kept silent;
        I did not answer my people.
    But now the time to act has come;
      I cry out like a woman in labor.
    I will destroy the hills and mountains
        and dry up the grass and trees.
    I will turn the river valleys into deserts
        and dry up the pools of water.
    “I will lead my blind people
        by roads they have never traveled.
    I will turn their darkness into light
        and make rough country smooth before them.
    These are my promises,
        and I will keep them without fail.
     All who trust in idols,
        who call images their gods,
        will be humiliated and disgraced.”  Isa 42:14-17
     
     
  25. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in How are we to understand the GB/Slave interpreting scripture, as the sole chanel, and at the same time accept that they can err?   
    Not necessarily, and we know the prophets gave us insight into the last days.
    Call to me when trouble comes;
        I will save you,
        and you will praise me.”
     But God says to the wicked,
        “Why should you recite my commandments?
        Why should you talk about my covenant?
     You refuse to let me correct you;
        you reject my commands.
     You become the friend of every thief you see,
        and you associate with adulterers.
     “You are always ready to speak evil;
        you never hesitate to tell lies.
     You are ready to accuse your own relatives
      and to find fault with them.
     You have done all this, and I have said nothing,
        so you thought that I am like you.
    But now I reprimand you
        and make the matter plain to you.  Ps 50:14-21
     
    God says,
    “For a long time I kept silent;
        I did not answer my people.
    But now the time to act has come;
      I cry out like a woman in labor.
    I will destroy the hills and mountains
        and dry up the grass and trees.
    I will turn the river valleys into deserts
        and dry up the pools of water.
    “I will lead my blind people
        by roads they have never traveled.
    I will turn their darkness into light
        and make rough country smooth before them.
    These are my promises,
        and I will keep them without fail.
     All who trust in idols,
        who call images their gods,
        will be humiliated and disgraced.”  Isa 42:14-17
     
     
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