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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Such as the hypocritical “Pharisees” of today - the GB.
    “Then he gave them strict orders: “Watch out! Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.”  Mark 8:15
    Matt 15:7-9:  You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said:
    8 “‘This people honors me with their lips,
        but their heart is far from me;
    9 in vain do they worship me,
        teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
    Exactly; which is why we are to recognize and reject rotten fruit when we hear it.  Matt 7:15-20 
    Jer 23:16 - Thus says the Lord of hosts:  "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes.  They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."  
    Ps 26:4 – “I do not sit with men of falsehood,
        nor do I consort with hypocrites.”
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in ALL JW'S HAVE IS BELIEF IN THEIR GB AND WRITING DEPT   
    Having read lots of comments on this forum it is very easy to see that all that Jehovah's Witnesses have is their belief in their Governing Body and it's Writing Department. 
    If they believe, as a certain cowboy would have it, that a person can gain no true knowledge from the bible itself, then how else does a person gain true knowledge ? 
    It would seem that Jehovah's Witnesses rely totally on their GB 'boses' and on the Writing Department of same, to tell all JW's what to believe and when to believe it. 
    Why do i say 'and when to believe it' ?  Well you have to keep up you know . What is said to be 'truth' by the GB and co one day,  will be said to be totally untrue the next day or week.
    JW's have nothing, no proof of any 'enlightenment' from above. They talk proudly about having 8.5 million members earthwide, but how many Muslims are there earthwide ? How many Catholics earthwide ?  Numbers prove nothing as it can be clearly seen. 
    Yes I was once fooled by all the 'niceness' of a few brothers and sisters. But once I got to know those people properly I soon found out that they are no better than people in the world. 
    The JW Org is no better than any other organisation that pretends to serve God, but the JW Org is in some ways more dangerous.  It wraps itself around people's lives and restricts people's freedom of thinking. It pretends to have 'special knowledge' from God that no other organisation has.
    But then if one looks closely one can see it is all just a smoke screen. The JW Org only has 8 men in America dominating it, and 8.5 million people worshiping those 8 men. 
    I do feel a bit foolish having wasted years of my life believing all of it's lies and deceit, but I congratulate myself for not being frightened to ask questions and do research for myself. 
    No matter what any Jehovah's Witness tells you, the truth is, all they have is a belief in their GB, and they follow their GB's orders via all the others in charge including the puppet men Elders. 
    At meetings, conventions, assemblies, on the ministry et al, all they do is use the literature provided for them by the GB and the Writing dept. Without question they pump this 'information' into other people. When conducting a supposed 'bible study' it is actually a book study, studying the words of the GB / writing dept, not studying God's written word properly. They spend more time reading the paragraphs and answering those questions than they do reading scriptures and focusing on God's words.
    It is a horrid way of brainwashing people, washing out the common sense and replacing it with lies from the GB / writing dept. Dictating, giving orders and pretending it is God's will. 
    Removing the love that people have for one another and replacing it with discrimination. Shunning family members, turning their back on anyone that is not a JW by saying all other people are just 'part of the world' and therefore wicked. 
    Frightening people with threats of 'armageddon' killing them. 
    And now it seems that they are almost begging for contributions as they seem to be getting short of money. Well paying off millions in compensation for the Child Abuse / Pedophilea of course. Selling off Kingdom Halls too as funds run low. 
    Oh how low that religion has sunken. Are they really stupid enough to believe that God is with them ?  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS CHRISTENDOM THE ANTITYPICAL JERUSALEM?   
    In the recent Watchtower book, “Pure Worship of Jehovah, Restored at Last!”, it is stated:
    “In the past, our literature has referred to Christendom as the antitype of apostate Jerusalem. The conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—including IDOLATRY AND WIDESPREAD CORRUPTION—certainly remind us of what is happening in Christendom. However, in recent years our publications, including the one you are now reading, have not taken the type-antitype approach to prophecy except where the Bible provides a clear basis for doing so. Is there a solid Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the ANTITYPICAL JERUSALEM? 
    NO.
    In view of the foregoing, what may we conclude? When we examine Bible prophecies that were fulfilled on unfaithful Jerusalem, we may say, ‘This or that reminds us of what we see in Christendom today.’ But there appears to be NO SCRIPTURAL BASIS for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem.” Pure Worship of Jehovah—Restored At Last! p. 174
    First off, what do they mean by “antitypical”? An “antitype” is, 
    …something that corresponds to or is foreshadowed in a type
    …or an opposite type.
    After many years, the Watchtower is now saying Christendom does not correspond in any way to ancient Jerusalem. Jerusalem was the “holy city” of God. Under the New Covenant promise, “Jerusalem above” is the “city whose architect and builder is God”. Heb 11:10 It is referred in scripture as the “mother” of the anointed ones. Luke 22:20; Gal 4:26,24; Heb 9:15 Mothers bring life, and this mother/promise brings immortal life to those faithful sealed anointed ones. Together, they become the “New Jerusalem”, Zion. Heb 12:22,23 
    As the fulfillment of that New Covenant/promise, “New Jerusalem”, the Holy City, will be seen “coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. Rev 21:2
    And, as the fulfilled promise, the Bride will bring life to the rest of the children of God.
    “And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s DWELLING PLACE is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.” Rev 21:3
    Rom 8:19-21; Rev 22:17 
    The city of Jerusalem was the location of God’s dwelling place – His temple at the time. Today, God “dwells” within the hearts of His anointed priests through His Holy Spirit. His dwelling place, or His “house”, is His Temple. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22
    “New Jerusalem”, the Temple, the Holy City, all refer to one and the same; comprised of this priesthood joined under Christ, their High Priest. Heb 7:26 This makes “New Jerusalem” the “city/house that bears My name”. Acts 7:49; Rev 3:12
    If Christendom is no longer taught as the “antitypical” Jerusalem, the organization can no longer point to Christendom to fulfill the many prophetic scriptures that concern the “holy city”/Temple/New Jerusalem. JWs, this means all the earlier teachings by the WT that point to Christendom as that “city” which receives condemnation for its abominations, realistically points to the anointed under covenant with God.
    The organization admits:
    “Jerusalem was the ONLY city in all the earth that was DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH GOD’S NAME. (1 Kings 11:36; Matthew 5:35) It was the capital of a God-approved earthly kingdom. 06/7/15 p. 5,6
    Past teachings of the WT tell a different story in the following quotes from the Watchtower:
    #1 – Christendom’s congregations say ‘Lord, Lord,’ even as sexual immorality flourishes in their midst. “Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known,” Jehovah asks, “and then come and stand before me in THIS HOUSE, WHICH BEARS MY NAME, and say, ‘We are safe’—safe to do all these detestable things?”—Jeremiah 7:4, 8-10, g89/1/22 pg 11
    #2 - Christendom will be the FIRST PART of this system of things to go down, for she is the modern-day counterpart of the apostate kingdom of Judah and Jerusalem. To typify that, the kingdom of Judah was made the first to drink the “cup” that contained “the wine of rage.” Jehovah said that it was with “THE CITY UPON WHICH [HIS] NAME IS CALLED” that he would start off in bringing the international calamity. (Jer. 25:29) Unchristlike Christendom is the most accountable religious section before God and Christ, and so from her the world calamity would go, as in a chain reaction. W79/9/15 pp. 22-29, par 23
    Now, going back to the same book that declares, “there appears to be no Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem”, the statement is made,
    #3 - “During the war of Armageddon, Jehovah will execute people, not in a cold, clinical manner, but in a “great rage.” (Read Ezekiel 38:18.) He will direct the explosive force of his anger, not against one army or one nation, but against countless individuals living across the globe. On that day, those slain by Jehovah “will be from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth.”—Jer. 25:29, 33. RR, chapter 18, pp. 189-199
    Do you notice in all three quotes, reference is made by either listing scripture or by quoting it in the paragraph, to the “city” or “house that bears My name”, which today is the anointed in covenant with God?
    Paragraph #1 quotes Jer 7:4,8-10: “Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!” “But look, you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless.9 “‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, 10 and then come and stand before me IN THIS HOUSE, WHICH BEARS MY NAME, and say, We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things?”
    Is it not true that the “safe haven” for JWs is in “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” – the organization and a counterfeit Zion? This idol tramples down the authentic Temple of God, His priesthood. 1 Cor 3:16,17 Isn’t this a sign that God’s people are committing “spiritual adultery and perjury” through their devotion and dedication to “Jehovah’s spiritual temple”? Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4, 9-12; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,4-6
     
    Paragraph #2 quotes Jer 25:29 – “See, I am beginning to bring disaster on THE CITY THAT BEARS MY NAME, and will you indeed go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am calling down a sword on all who live on the earth, declares the Lord Almighty.’”
    #3 - In this new book, although it clearly states Christendom does not correspond to Jerusalem, again Jer 25:29 is sited, which says the disaster in the last days comes upon THE CITY THAT BEARS MY NAME. Did you catch this, JWs? Can you untwist the history of Watchtower teachings and perceive what and where the disaster will fall? Yet, they deceitfully continue to put the blame of the prophetic disaster to come, on everyone else, except on the now apostate “city that bears My name”, the anointed under covenant with God. Deut 12:2-5; Zech 4:7-9; Rev 6:15,16; 8:8; 16:20
    Pearl Doxsey wrote the following in 2013, well before the “new light” (barely visible) came into being:
    God Himself says of His own people,
    "The faithful city has become a harlot" Isa.1:21; 63:18; Rev.17:1
    Is "Christendom" the "faithful city"?
    If not...Then it is not the "harlot".
    Hosea makes clear that this "harlotry" is the act of an "adulterous wife" (Hosea9:1; 1:2; 5:4; 9:1).
    Being as a wife to God requires a marriage covenant (Isa.54:5,6,7; 48:17; Jer.3:8,14; Hosea2:19; Ps.73:27). 
    Is "Christendom"/"nominal Christians" in covenant with God?
    Revelation's Harlot is not "Christendom"/"nominal Christians" at all!...but are ruling, unfaithful anointed in covenant with God...
    the "wicked steward" (Luke12:42,45; Rev.17:6) (Luke12:46; Hosea6:5; Jer.5:14; 23:29; Rev.18:8)
    and all anointed who stay a part of her organizational Beast, are committing fornication with her (Rev.13:1; 17:2,12,16; 18:9; 1:5; 5:10; John18:36). 
    From within that Sodom-like City, God will cleanse a remnant and restore them, IF they are repentant.  They are restored back to being "the city of righteousness, THE FAITHFUL CITY". (Isa.1:25,26,27; Zech.13:9; Mal.3:3; Zech.4:9,6,12,14; Rev.11:4,3; Rev.3:12; 21:2; Ps.48:8) 
    Is that faithful remnant from the city OF JERUSALEM, from "Christendom"?
    According to Jesus, "Jerusalem" is "the City of the living God/Great King" (Matt.5:35; Ps.48:2).
    IT IS NOT “CHRISTENDOM”.
    These prophecies about "Jerusalem" are not about "Christendom".
    THESE PROPHECIES DO NOT APPLY AS THE “WATCHTOWER” HAS TAUGHT.
    There is no "anti-typical Jerusalem" according to scripture.
    If the Bible says "Jerusalem", it means "Jerusalem".
    While their pride refuses to apply God's warnings and discipline to themselves;
    the scriptural clarity of "Watchtower" ERROR, is inescapable.
    The prophets of Jerusalem were compared to Sodom (Jer.23:14). Their land was to become a desolation (Jer.49:18; 50:39; Rev.18:2).
    This speaks of God's people...Lam.4:6
    DO NOT BE DECEIVED! (1Thess.5:3,6,7; Mark13:36,37,35) 
    As a result, can Revelation’s end time fulfillment to come against God’s people, be sourced outside of the Watchtower and outside of where the House/dwelling/now “apostate” city of God resides? 
    No! Not even Watchtower’s interpretation of the “King of the North.”
     “Son of man, will you judge her? Will you judge this city of bloodshed? Then confront her with all her detestable practices 3 and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: You city that brings on herself doom by shedding blood in her midst and defiles herself by making idols, 4 you have become guilty because of the blood you have shed and have become defiled by the idols you have made. You have brought your days to a close, and the end of your years has come. Therefore I will make you an object of scorn to the nations and a laughingstock to all the countries. 5 Those who are near and those who are far away will mock you, you infamous city, full of turmoil.
    Again the word of the Lord came to me: 24 “Son of man, say to the land, ‘You are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath.’ 25 There is a conspiracy of her princes within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26 Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common; they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain. 28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says’—when the Lord has not spoken.29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner, denying them justice. Ezek 22:2-5,23-29
    “Armageddon” – Obadiah’s blog
    Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness:
            “Sodom/Four Horsemen”
            “End of the New Covenant”
           “The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place”Matt 24:15
     

     
     

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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Well if you put it like that @Outta Here I suppose I went out from JW Org because I'm not a Pedophilie and I don't condone Pedophilia, so I proved that I an not of that 'sort'.  Your quote of scripture not mine. 
    As for me being an 'idolator' and then realising it, you are right. Exactly right. I did serve the JW Org as I thought it had 'truth'. But now having studied the bible myself without the misguidance of the JW Org, I see through the veneer of the GB domination. @JW Insider has just confirmed much of what I believe about the GB and it's Org. @James Thomas Rook Jr. says he has proof of same, if he is being serious. 
    Actually i have 'come clean' about it many times on this forum. Maybe you don't read many of my posts.
    However, I always think of Saul that thought he was doing right until Jesus showed him what was really right.  Saul would never have become Paul without guidance from Jesus Christ.  Maybe, just maybe, Jesus sees those in JW Org that think they are doing right but are doing wrong,  then maybe Jesus shows them the right way. Maybe Jesus will help people to leave the JW Org and to find the right way to serve God. I haven't given up hope In God through Christ. 
    Quoter "some temporary relief for the resentment and embarrassment they feel,"   Do you really think the Apostle Paul felt that ? Look how off track Paul was, but Jesus guided him in the right direction. Do you think Paul was embarrassed ? I think Paul was too busy doing God's will to be concerned for his own embarrassment.  I'm also too busy to be embarrassed. 
    Oh by the way the scripture you have used doesn't match the purpose you had for it. 
    : "They went out from us ... But they went out  ...   Does not  = But, actually, they were rejected 
    To leave of one's own accord is not being discarded or rejected, it is LEAVING OF ONE'S OWN ACCORD.   
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    Witness reacted to Shiwiii in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    You crack me up Billy. The level in which you interact with others is very telling. 
     
    Also, it doesn't hurt my feelings if you down vote my posts. It actually makes me smile..........because you read it. 
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    Witness got a reaction from boyle in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    You are saying it is assumed that all those disfellowshipped for rejecting the organization, will reject God's standards as well.  I doubt the elders have the ability to peer into the future and determine that the person they are disfellowshipping , will soon become trinitarians, homosexuals, etc. 
    God's standards require rejection of idolatry.  Exod 20: 4,5; Judges 10:14; Isa 44:9;46:3-5; Acts 4:12; 7:49-51; 17:24;25; Rev 13:1:4-7
    God's standards require rejection of false prophesy.  Deut 18:20-22; Ezek 13:9; Matt 7:15-20; 24:24; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Acts 20:28-30; 1 John 4:1; Rev 13:11,15
    JWs may say they have faith in God, but practice both idolatry and tolerate false prophesy.  
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    There's a simple message in this video that doesn't require watching all 10 of them, or waiting to hear the "rest of the story".  The reason  I posted it is only to show the contradiction of Watchtower’s teachings, and what the consequences are for not having FAITH in the organization. Rev 13:4  What was told him on the day of baptism is also quoted in the Bible Teach Book:
     Baptism represents something very important. When you are immersed in water, it means that you have died to, or abandoned, your former way of life. When you come out of the water, you will begin a new life doing God’s will. It shows that you will serve Jehovah from now on. Remember that you are not dedicated to a human, an organization, or a work. You have dedicated your life to Jehovah.  "Should I Dedicate My Life to God and be Baptized?"  par 24
    Hundreds of people are disfellowshipped every year for rejecting the organization, but STILL maintain their faith in God and Christ.  What the C.O. stated is exactly what the organization believes.  Rev 13:15   If one doesn’t put faith in the organization, their faith is garbage.   
    Watchtower 79/3/1, pg 12-18, the article is entitiled, "FAITH IN JEHOVAH'S VICTORIOUS ORGANIZATION"
    God is NOT an organization.  We are to put faith only in Him and His Son.  
     “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Exod 20:4-6
    Only those who see the hypocrisy and face the day they question it, will understand what this man is going through.    I just hope there is a JW here asking the same questions as this man has.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Oh @JW Insider it's probably not worth the effort to answer you but I have a bit of time before my darling wife puts my dinner on the table for me.
    Let's start with a Quote "You probably know that there were infamous cases of immorality that Paul referred to in his letters even to the very Corinthian congregations that Paul himself had "planted." 
    Are look Paul made the immorality known. Whereas, the Elders of the JW congregations hid it all in leters to their HQ and in filing cabinets. Why did the elders hide it ? Because on instructions from the GB. That's why it is all coming into the open now. It follows scripture about 'nothing being hidden that will not be revealed' ...
    Quote " But when the Org sees it as a problem, .. "  The Org didn't see it as a problem. It was put 'in their face' by victims of abuse. The problem the GB saw was the cost of the court cases and compensations. 
    Why do you use examples of people 'of the world' such as Isaac Newton etc ? They were not 'supposed to be guided by God's Holy Spirit' were they ? 
    Your GB pretend to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave' providing the PROPER FOOD at the RIGHT TIME'.  BUT they have to keep changing the food as they give poison instead. So how can they be guided by God to do that ? Do you really think God deliberately misguides His people ? 
    Quote "I can't see how it "suits themselves."  The Armageddon threats are obviously to frighten people to get baptised and serve the JW Org. I'm sure we've had quotes on here where the Watchtowers would say the only way to 'get saved' through Armageddon was to be in the Org. More members = more donations.  But then, as with the 7,000 year creative days, it all falls apart and can be seen as lies.  
    Quote "the inability to question 1914" ? Are you suggesting more lies ? 
    Quote "It's now just a matter of fully implementing the processes that have been put in place." And the two witness rule, what of that ? I'm sure in my own mind that the scripture was not for that use. 
    Quote " I  think we agree completely on shunning. I have no doubt at all that we have been implementing the shunning practice in an unchristian, unscriptural, and unloving manner. "
    So are we looking at a 100% turnaround on it then ? I very much doubt that.  Remember ,'By their works you will know them'.
    Quote " I would never claim we are more moral than any other group of people.".  That's one thing we can agree on then.  
    But that being the case, thousands of JW's are hypocrites. So it's an unclean Org. 
    Quote "If enough Witnesses perform their Christian duty, however, even a mass of disfellowshippings will automatically produce changes. "
    I was hoping for a mass 'leaving the JW Org when I left, but it didn't happen. I was hoping that would have produced change.
    Enough for now , my wife is calling me to dinner. 
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Is that really what I said, Anna?
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    Witness got a reaction from Noble Berean in Belgium: Police descend on Jehovah's Witness HQ after abuse allegations   
    The investigation allegedly feared that the revelations in the programme might lead the movement's leaders to destroy incriminating evidence...
     Matt 10:26b - For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I focused on “God’s standards”, but after reading the comment by Srecko and John, I realized I missed this part highlighted :
    Typically, JWs believe qualifying to be a JW is following God’s standards.    One must enter into a religion formulated by men to “qualify” for life, which is why a person becomes a Mormon, a Seventh Day Adventist or a Catholic.  They gather their flock and pin them down with rituals to be observed and interpretations called doctrine that must be adhered to.  When men rule over men, God’s standards which are based on Christ’s teachings, do not exist.  The captive treasure that the Watchtower uses for its unique validation as “the truth”, are the anointed ones.  Rev 20:7-9; 13:10
     See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.  Col 2:8
    The “elemental spiritual forces” that instigate the need of an earthly organization, a labeled religion to serve God, is sourced in Satan.   The man in the video who is being slandered because of his desire to put faith in the truths of the Bible, is beginning to wake up to this fact.   He has every reason to be angry.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in JW Cereal from Wal Mart   
    Sugar-coated, empty calories; otherwise known as "nourishing food".  
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in Watchtower UK says you have a 'membership contract'   
    And what if you were baptized before they changed the wording (from dedication to Jehovah to dedication to organization)?
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in Watchtower UK says you have a 'membership contract'   
    Question: how does a membership contract apply to a minor? Wouldn't such contracts be null and void - if not illegal because a minor can't sign such a contract?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Baptismal questions   
    Matt 5:11 - Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
    Matt 19:29 - And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
    Matt 10:39 - Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. 
    What "life" have many "found" and dare not lose?  
    "When we use our time to prepare for God’s new world, are we missing out on a better way of life today? No! Serving Jehovah is the best way of life. 
    To prepare for everlasting life in the new world, we need to obey the direction from Jehovah’s organization now. WT 15/8/15  pg 19-20
    When anyone rejects this "life",  giving full attention to Jesus and the Father only,  division occurs. 
    Luke 12:49 - “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
    The division and persecution for following Christ is experienced among God’s people, just as it was in Jesus’ day. Many claim to follow Jesus Christ around the world, but Jesus gives the indication of who is persecuting God's people.  
    John 16:2,3 - "They will put you out of the synagogue (“congregation); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills (Rev 13:15) you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me."
    The synagogue today is where spiritual "Jews"/"Israel" are found.  (Rev 7:4; Rom 9:6; 1 Pet 2:9,10)
    Do JWs suffer for Christ’s sake?  No, they suffer on behalf of an organization, but they are taught they suffer because “Jehovah” expects them to have steadfast faith and dedication in an earthly organization under any circumstances. They have created a counterfeit fortress to protect them, instead of relying fully on God.   Dan 11:36-38; Rom 1:25   Those who are ‘put out’ of the congregations for following Christ, are reviled by their own people, in the same way Jesus was.
    Matt 11:28-30 - “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble inheart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
    Are JWs finding rest as part of “Jehovah’s organization”, or are they experiencing turmoil in nations around the world? 
    Ps 106:40-43 -
    "Therefore the Lord was angry with his people
        and abhorred his inheritance.
    41 He gave them into the hands of the nations,
        and their foes ruled over them.
    42 Their enemies oppressed them
        and subjected them to their power.
    43 Many times he delivered them,
        but they were bent on rebellion
        and they wasted away in their sin."  
    The call is to “come out of her, my people”.  Who’s sins are magnified in front of God; those of Christendom, or those of “Jehovah’s organization” where God’s “chosen” anointed people are found captive to empty philosophy, the misguided teachings of a Harlot and a Beast/organization?  Rev 18:4-8; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,4-10, 11,12,14-17
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in Baptismal questions   
    There seems to be a quiet drift towards removal of any claim of inspiration or infallibility.
    When the Feb. 2017 Watchtower did this, it must have been for a reason, almost certainly legal. There's no benefit in admitting their lack of Divine direction otherwise, it's a fundamental part of their scam.
    What does the Legal Dept. foresee? Is this change designed to steer towards a deeper legal claim of a contract, as against EU regulations?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I focused on “God’s standards”, but after reading the comment by Srecko and John, I realized I missed this part highlighted :
    Typically, JWs believe qualifying to be a JW is following God’s standards.    One must enter into a religion formulated by men to “qualify” for life, which is why a person becomes a Mormon, a Seventh Day Adventist or a Catholic.  They gather their flock and pin them down with rituals to be observed and interpretations called doctrine that must be adhered to.  When men rule over men, God’s standards which are based on Christ’s teachings, do not exist.  The captive treasure that the Watchtower uses for its unique validation as “the truth”, are the anointed ones.  Rev 20:7-9; 13:10
     See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.  Col 2:8
    The “elemental spiritual forces” that instigate the need of an earthly organization, a labeled religion to serve God, is sourced in Satan.   The man in the video who is being slandered because of his desire to put faith in the truths of the Bible, is beginning to wake up to this fact.   He has every reason to be angry.  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    GB Helper quote: "That person's relationship with JHVH is forever ruined. JHVH discards the person like a piece of garbage."
    GB terminology: sinful person is garbage
    CO terminology: someone's (person's) faith is garbage
    "Garbage" is in WTJWORG lexic. And can be using for determining some person's spiritual or literal position inside WTJWORG or in front JHVH God.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    There's a simple message in this video that doesn't require watching all 10 of them, or waiting to hear the "rest of the story".  The reason  I posted it is only to show the contradiction of Watchtower’s teachings, and what the consequences are for not having FAITH in the organization. Rev 13:4  What was told him on the day of baptism is also quoted in the Bible Teach Book:
     Baptism represents something very important. When you are immersed in water, it means that you have died to, or abandoned, your former way of life. When you come out of the water, you will begin a new life doing God’s will. It shows that you will serve Jehovah from now on. Remember that you are not dedicated to a human, an organization, or a work. You have dedicated your life to Jehovah.  "Should I Dedicate My Life to God and be Baptized?"  par 24
    Hundreds of people are disfellowshipped every year for rejecting the organization, but STILL maintain their faith in God and Christ.  What the C.O. stated is exactly what the organization believes.  Rev 13:15   If one doesn’t put faith in the organization, their faith is garbage.   
    Watchtower 79/3/1, pg 12-18, the article is entitiled, "FAITH IN JEHOVAH'S VICTORIOUS ORGANIZATION"
    God is NOT an organization.  We are to put faith only in Him and His Son.  
     “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Exod 20:4-6
    Only those who see the hypocrisy and face the day they question it, will understand what this man is going through.    I just hope there is a JW here asking the same questions as this man has.  
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Does the Governing Body Lack Anything?   
    One more link, we can both perceive what's on the other side of the GB's veneer.
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Does the Governing Body Lack Anything?   
    Pearl Doxsey and I work together; both of us are anointed.  I quote pieces of her articles in some comments I place here, and give mention to the names of topics that one can research on her blog.  With her help and what she has written, I now understand how Revelation’s judgments  pertains to God’s “saints” and those with them. 
    I’m not upset at all, John  No man, no person should have authority over us and expect obedience.  Our obedience is to God and Jesus and his Word.  John 8:31,3  Whatever is presented by Pearl and myself is up to the reader to judge if it is “good fruit” and “fruit that will last”, as sourced in Holy Spirit from Jesus Christ. Matt 7:15-20; John 15:16; 13:20; (Matt 23:34)
    Preposterous.  You are in the UK, I am in the states, on the far side of the country.  I am a woman; and you, I gather, are the man in the picture.  Our only link is that both of us appear to have suffered from child abuse.   He's upset that I compare him with Foreigner, and the other identities that he swears he doesn't use.   (I had forgotten about Felix the Cat) I view it as a conundrum when it comes to telling the truth -  when I compare his actions to the religion he professes to follow - "the truth".   
    Sounds like he's trying his best at using a straw man argument.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in MICAH CHAPTER 3   
    Then I said,
    “Listen, you leaders of Jacob,
        you rulers of Israel.
    Should you not embrace justice,
    2     you who hate good and love evil;
    who tear the skin from my people
        and the flesh from their bones;
    3 who eat my people’s flesh,
        strip off their skin
        and break their bones in pieces;
    who chop them up like meat for the pan,
        like flesh for the pot?”
    4 Then they will cry out to the Lord,
        but He will not answer them.
    At that time He will hide His face from them
        because of the evil they have done.
    5 This is what the Lord says:
    “As for the prophets
        who lead my people astray,
    they proclaim ‘PEACE’
        if they have something to eat,
    but prepare to wage war against anyone
        who refuses to feed them.

    6 Therefore night will come over you, without visions,
        and darkness, without divination.
    The sun will set for the prophets,
        and the day will go dark for them.
    7 The seers will be ashamed
        and the diviners disgraced.
    They will all cover their faces
        because there is no answer from God.”
    8 But as for me, I am filled with power,
        with the Spirit of the Lord,
        and with justice and might,
    to declare to Jacob his transgression,
        to Israel his sin.
    9 Hear this, you leaders of Jacob,
        you rulers of Israel,
    who despise justice
        and distort all that is right;
    10 who build Zion with bloodshed,
        and Jerusalem with wickedness.

    11 Her leaders judge for a bribe,
        her priests teach for a price,
        and her prophets tell fortunes for money.
    Yet they look for the Lord’s support and say,
        “Is not the Lord among us?
        No disaster will come upon us.”

    12 Therefore because of you,
        Zion will be plowed like a field,
    Jerusalem will become a heap of rubble,
        the temple hill a mound overgrown with thickets.
     
     



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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Belgium: Police descend on Jehovah's Witness HQ after abuse allegations   
    Could anyone disobeying the High Priest and the Sanhedrin be a true servant of God ? Oh yes it was Jesus.
    Could anyone condemning the Pharisees be a true servant of God ? Yes once again Jesus.
    And which of the disciples/apostles was it said 'We must serve God as ruler rather than men' ? Was it Paul. 
    Billy you have no idea. How many times have the Watchtower writers condemned the Catholic Church, and it has been passed as ok by the GB. 
    There are how many different types of 'Christianity' ? And you would not 'sow discourse' against any of them ? 
    As for interfering with the police doing their duty, i think it has happened within the JW Org. And the Org tried to stop the Charity Commision carrying out their investigation here in the UK. 
    As for who is Anointed and who isn't, is it our place to judge ? Let God through Jesus Christ be the judge. 
    And wasn't there an actual video of a brother telling Elders to destroy evidence because 'the devil is coming after the Org'. 
    I do wish my memory was better on these things. 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in Belgium: Police descend on Jehovah's Witness HQ after abuse allegations   
    The investigation allegedly feared that the revelations in the programme might lead the movement's leaders to destroy incriminating evidence...
     Matt 10:26b - For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known.
     
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