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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    "The best sign of truth is simplicity and clarity, the lie is always intricate, tawdry and eloquent." - Tolstoy
    "The lie does not kill with the mallet, but it runs through blood vessels like poison, slowly and cautiously, so it does not even notice how it works" - Ivan Cankar
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Oh, but I do walk in harmony with Christ.  This does not require walking in harmony with the Watchtower. 
    SHOULD THERE BE UNITY AT ALL COST? 
    A “worldly preacher” from decades ago said,
    “If good men were all for union and bad men for division, or vice versa, that would simplify things for us. Or if it could be shown that God always unites and the devil always divides it would be easy to find our way around in this confused and confusing world. But that is not how things are. Light and darkness are incompatible; to try to have both in the same place at once is to try the impossible and end by having neither one nor the other, but dimness rather, and obscurity.
    Truth is slain to provide a feast to celebrate the marriage of heaven and hell, and all to support a concept of unity which has no basis in the Word of God. When confused sheep start over a cliff the individual sheep can save himself only by separating from the flock. Perfect unity at such a time can only mean total destruction for all. Power lies in the union of things similar and the division of things dissimilar. Maybe what we need today is not more union but some wise and courageous division.”
    Watchtower’s historic false teachings are darkness, never were they light. Only a fool would say they were from Jesus Christ, who only imparts truth.  John 14:6  Only a fool would say they trust a leadership that runs the same institution that calls darkness “Beliefs Clarified”. 
    Jesus Christ:
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    “‘a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
    36     a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]
    37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.  Matt 10:34-39
    This divisive sword between light and darkness was not put back in its sheath when Jesus was resurrected.
    The Lord says to my lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
        until I make your enemies
        a footstool for your feet.”
    2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
        “Rule in the midst of your enemies!”  Ps 110:1,2
     
    Those who desire to follow the light of Christ; and who reject all darkness, all teachings that have proved to be rotten, are the ones who may have lost their loved ones, for the sake of Christ, for the sake of obtaining light.   John 8:12; Matt 7:15:20; John 15:16; Rev 13:15    As long as they remain with Christ, they will never walk in darkness.  WT’s leaders lead sheep on vast, “slippery” trails of darkness.  It has been proven to be so. 
    “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.”  Luke 8:17
    “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy?
     Are we stronger than he?” 1 Cor 10:21,22
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Oh, but I do walk in harmony with Christ.  This does not require walking in harmony with the Watchtower. 
    SHOULD THERE BE UNITY AT ALL COST? 
    A “worldly preacher” from decades ago said,
    “If good men were all for union and bad men for division, or vice versa, that would simplify things for us. Or if it could be shown that God always unites and the devil always divides it would be easy to find our way around in this confused and confusing world. But that is not how things are. Light and darkness are incompatible; to try to have both in the same place at once is to try the impossible and end by having neither one nor the other, but dimness rather, and obscurity.
    Truth is slain to provide a feast to celebrate the marriage of heaven and hell, and all to support a concept of unity which has no basis in the Word of God. When confused sheep start over a cliff the individual sheep can save himself only by separating from the flock. Perfect unity at such a time can only mean total destruction for all. Power lies in the union of things similar and the division of things dissimilar. Maybe what we need today is not more union but some wise and courageous division.”
    Watchtower’s historic false teachings are darkness, never were they light. Only a fool would say they were from Jesus Christ, who only imparts truth.  John 14:6  Only a fool would say they trust a leadership that runs the same institution that calls darkness “Beliefs Clarified”. 
    Jesus Christ:
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
    “‘a man against his father,
        a daughter against her mother,
    a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
    36     a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]
    37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.  Matt 10:34-39
    This divisive sword between light and darkness was not put back in its sheath when Jesus was resurrected.
    The Lord says to my lord:
    “Sit at my right hand
        until I make your enemies
        a footstool for your feet.”
    2 The Lord will extend your mighty scepter from Zion, saying,
        “Rule in the midst of your enemies!”  Ps 110:1,2
     
    Those who desire to follow the light of Christ; and who reject all darkness, all teachings that have proved to be rotten, are the ones who may have lost their loved ones, for the sake of Christ, for the sake of obtaining light.   John 8:12; Matt 7:15:20; John 15:16; Rev 13:15    As long as they remain with Christ, they will never walk in darkness.  WT’s leaders lead sheep on vast, “slippery” trails of darkness.  It has been proven to be so. 
    “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.”  Luke 8:17
    “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy?
     Are we stronger than he?” 1 Cor 10:21,22
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Billy:
    I agree with all you said above ... BUT...
    We should all be united in what is true, what is honorable, what is fair, what is equitable, what is righteous, what is good, and what is wholesome.
    BEING UNITED just to have peace involves a THOUSAND compromises ... and is a slippery slope that slides to error,  intellectually dishonesty, self delusion, theocratic hallucinations, the abandonment of JUSTICE, and dishonors both ourselves ... which intellectual integrity is where someone always has to start ... AND the Brotherhood ... and most importantly, Jehovah God.
    It all starts  ... here on the dirt, where the rubber meets the road ... is  the determination, without compromise ... to achieve intellectual integrity .
    FIRST
    You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
    OTHERWISE ... we may be the finest "Brother Watchtower"  that walks the Earth ... but we will be intellectually dishonest ... like a plague, that takes a 30 year incubation period for the consequences to show up.
    You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    From @TrueTomHarley A personal letter to Billy the Kid. So why not in a personal folder 
    And I still find it funny how you compare yourself to GB / JW rules when you say you've been a 'bad boy'.  
    You go on about what the GB might have said and what the Elders said and how you 'justified yourself to men' (Elders), but no mention of Almighty God or Jesus Christ at all. 
    You keep saying this is not a congregation on here. Every sentence is about the JW Org.
    Tom please start thinking about GOD and JESUS CHRIST, not about pleasing men such as the GB and Elders. 
    One good thing about being outside of the Org is that it gives a person a closer relationship with God through Christ.  And you have just proved that through your own writings. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    In reference to scriptures used by Billy the Kid:
    1 Cor 1:10 – “no divisions among you”.  Paul was teaching the new anointed members of Christ’s Body, who were “sanctified in Christ” and “called to be his holy people”, to be one under Christ. No divisions were to occur in the Body of Christ. 
    Again, Watchtower’s take on the anointed ones today:
    "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity."  Wt/16/1 pp. 22-27
    Paul didn’t consider the anointed members bonding together as one body, an “elite club”.  He taught it was absolutely necessary for them to bond as one Body.  1 Cor 12:21-26
    Together, through successfully surviving all that Satan would throw at them, they would be the Bride of Christ; and together, they would know truth as long as they remained in Christ. Together, they would reign on the earth as "kings and priests".  Rev 5:9,10
    “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.”  1 John 2:27
     Who has the authority to divide Christ’s Body? 2 Cor 11:1-4   Who has the authority to transgress the Word of God and demand the Temple priests to remain separate from each other?
    The elder body has been given this blasphemous authority, under the direction of the GB.  Rev 13:4-6,11,12
    There is no scriptural validation for this, unless one has built his own "temple". In that case, he can authorize whatever he wants.  It will not be recognized by God, though, as worthy to receive His blessing.   Rom 1:25; Matt 7:21-23
    Eph 4:11-13 also applies to the anointed.  1 Cor 12:27-31; Eph 4:1-4
    There should be no division within the anointed body. Since it is obvious that there IS a determined division by decree of the GB, and what is promoted is unification of all members instead, there is no distinction made between what is holy and what is common; who comprise the holy priesthood and who do not.  There is no understanding of what God’s priesthood is assigned to do.  Lev 10:8-11; Ezek 22:26; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9  And, they have submitted themselves to this falsehood; they have allowed those who rule over them to keep them divided.  1 Cor 12:25  Division causes desolation to what should be a united people, a special possession of God.  1 Pet 2:9
    The Watchtower quotes from the October 2017 magazine that I gave early, state that “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” is the entire organization.  Within that idolatrous “temple” there is to be no division among its members. 
    Does God recognize it and bless it?
    ARE ALL JWS, NOW PRIESTS?
    ARE ALL JWS, CHRIST’S BRIDE?
    When the Man of Lawlessness is “set up” in God’s Temple, (2 Thess 2:4) it “exalts himself” above the Temple priesthood.  He ‘opposes’ the Temple of God,  by dissolving the defining element between the  holy and common. 
    2 Thess 2:4 – “set up”:  “sitteth” – “to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one, to fix one’s abode”, “to seat oneself”   
    It has been accomplished by the elder body "representing the royal priesthood".  
    JWs, the Temple of God in the anointed priesthood has been replaced by an idol – “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” called the Watchtower organization. 
    It is the accomplishment of “false christs” and a destructive “Beast”/organization/elder body.  Rev 13:1,11
    "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."  Matt 24:24
    Matt 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    “the holy” - most holy thing, a saint
    “place” – “place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space, an inhabited place, as a city, village, district”
    Addressing the saints:
      1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you (the saints) are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells (an inhabited place) in you?
    The only “holy place” Jesus recognizes is the Temple of God built on his Body.  If anyone can discern this, if anyone can visualize the desolation of God's Temple, they are to flee.  Matt 24:16
    Pearl Doxsey - "The Disgusting Thing", 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    In reference to scriptures used by Billy the Kid:
    1 Cor 1:10 – “no divisions among you”.  Paul was teaching the new anointed members of Christ’s Body, who were “sanctified in Christ” and “called to be his holy people”, to be one under Christ. No divisions were to occur in the Body of Christ. 
    Again, Watchtower’s take on the anointed ones today:
    "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity."  Wt/16/1 pp. 22-27
    Paul didn’t consider the anointed members bonding together as one body, an “elite club”.  He taught it was absolutely necessary for them to bond as one Body.  1 Cor 12:21-26
    Together, through successfully surviving all that Satan would throw at them, they would be the Bride of Christ; and together, they would know truth as long as they remained in Christ. Together, they would reign on the earth as "kings and priests".  Rev 5:9,10
    “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.”  1 John 2:27
     Who has the authority to divide Christ’s Body? 2 Cor 11:1-4   Who has the authority to transgress the Word of God and demand the Temple priests to remain separate from each other?
    The elder body has been given this blasphemous authority, under the direction of the GB.  Rev 13:4-6,11,12
    There is no scriptural validation for this, unless one has built his own "temple". In that case, he can authorize whatever he wants.  It will not be recognized by God, though, as worthy to receive His blessing.   Rom 1:25; Matt 7:21-23
    Eph 4:11-13 also applies to the anointed.  1 Cor 12:27-31; Eph 4:1-4
    There should be no division within the anointed body. Since it is obvious that there IS a determined division by decree of the GB, and what is promoted is unification of all members instead, there is no distinction made between what is holy and what is common; who comprise the holy priesthood and who do not.  There is no understanding of what God’s priesthood is assigned to do.  Lev 10:8-11; Ezek 22:26; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9  And, they have submitted themselves to this falsehood; they have allowed those who rule over them to keep them divided.  1 Cor 12:25  Division causes desolation to what should be a united people, a special possession of God.  1 Pet 2:9
    The Watchtower quotes from the October 2017 magazine that I gave early, state that “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” is the entire organization.  Within that idolatrous “temple” there is to be no division among its members. 
    Does God recognize it and bless it?
    ARE ALL JWS, NOW PRIESTS?
    ARE ALL JWS, CHRIST’S BRIDE?
    When the Man of Lawlessness is “set up” in God’s Temple, (2 Thess 2:4) it “exalts himself” above the Temple priesthood.  He ‘opposes’ the Temple of God,  by dissolving the defining element between the  holy and common. 
    2 Thess 2:4 – “set up”:  “sitteth” – “to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one, to fix one’s abode”, “to seat oneself”   
    It has been accomplished by the elder body "representing the royal priesthood".  
    JWs, the Temple of God in the anointed priesthood has been replaced by an idol – “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” called the Watchtower organization. 
    It is the accomplishment of “false christs” and a destructive “Beast”/organization/elder body.  Rev 13:1,11
    "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."  Matt 24:24
    Matt 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    “the holy” - most holy thing, a saint
    “place” – “place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space, an inhabited place, as a city, village, district”
    Addressing the saints:
      1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you (the saints) are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells (an inhabited place) in you?
    The only “holy place” Jesus recognizes is the Temple of God built on his Body.  If anyone can discern this, if anyone can visualize the desolation of God's Temple, they are to flee.  Matt 24:16
    Pearl Doxsey - "The Disgusting Thing", 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    In reference to scriptures used by Billy the Kid:
    1 Cor 1:10 – “no divisions among you”.  Paul was teaching the new anointed members of Christ’s Body, who were “sanctified in Christ” and “called to be his holy people”, to be one under Christ. No divisions were to occur in the Body of Christ. 
    Again, Watchtower’s take on the anointed ones today:
    "In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity."  Wt/16/1 pp. 22-27
    Paul didn’t consider the anointed members bonding together as one body, an “elite club”.  He taught it was absolutely necessary for them to bond as one Body.  1 Cor 12:21-26
    Together, through successfully surviving all that Satan would throw at them, they would be the Bride of Christ; and together, they would know truth as long as they remained in Christ. Together, they would reign on the earth as "kings and priests".  Rev 5:9,10
    “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.”  1 John 2:27
     Who has the authority to divide Christ’s Body? 2 Cor 11:1-4   Who has the authority to transgress the Word of God and demand the Temple priests to remain separate from each other?
    The elder body has been given this blasphemous authority, under the direction of the GB.  Rev 13:4-6,11,12
    There is no scriptural validation for this, unless one has built his own "temple". In that case, he can authorize whatever he wants.  It will not be recognized by God, though, as worthy to receive His blessing.   Rom 1:25; Matt 7:21-23
    Eph 4:11-13 also applies to the anointed.  1 Cor 12:27-31; Eph 4:1-4
    There should be no division within the anointed body. Since it is obvious that there IS a determined division by decree of the GB, and what is promoted is unification of all members instead, there is no distinction made between what is holy and what is common; who comprise the holy priesthood and who do not.  There is no understanding of what God’s priesthood is assigned to do.  Lev 10:8-11; Ezek 22:26; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9  And, they have submitted themselves to this falsehood; they have allowed those who rule over them to keep them divided.  1 Cor 12:25  Division causes desolation to what should be a united people, a special possession of God.  1 Pet 2:9
    The Watchtower quotes from the October 2017 magazine that I gave early, state that “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” is the entire organization.  Within that idolatrous “temple” there is to be no division among its members. 
    Does God recognize it and bless it?
    ARE ALL JWS, NOW PRIESTS?
    ARE ALL JWS, CHRIST’S BRIDE?
    When the Man of Lawlessness is “set up” in God’s Temple, (2 Thess 2:4) it “exalts himself” above the Temple priesthood.  He ‘opposes’ the Temple of God,  by dissolving the defining element between the  holy and common. 
    2 Thess 2:4 – “set up”:  “sitteth” – “to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one, to fix one’s abode”, “to seat oneself”   
    It has been accomplished by the elder body "representing the royal priesthood".  
    JWs, the Temple of God in the anointed priesthood has been replaced by an idol – “Jehovah’s spiritual temple” called the Watchtower organization. 
    It is the accomplishment of “false christs” and a destructive “Beast”/organization/elder body.  Rev 13:1,11
    "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."  Matt 24:24
    Matt 24:15 - When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
    “the holy” - most holy thing, a saint
    “place” – “place, any portion or space marked off, as it were from surrounding space, an inhabited place, as a city, village, district”
    Addressing the saints:
      1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you (the saints) are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells (an inhabited place) in you?
    The only “holy place” Jesus recognizes is the Temple of God built on his Body.  If anyone can discern this, if anyone can visualize the desolation of God's Temple, they are to flee.  Matt 24:16
    Pearl Doxsey - "The Disgusting Thing", 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Job 14:4 King James Version (KJV)
    4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. .......perhaps only God can do this? Question is, would He using for such task; some of JW, some of Waking JW, some of ex-JW, some of Elders? .... and so on.
    Dear JW Insider, to set good example and shining - with good, proper, kind, truthful and loving deeds and words are necessary  in all and every thing in our life. But would that be enough, would that be possible in Environment of JW Society and their Culture how to deal with Different even Opposite?  
    Perhaps spirit of God can give such strength to some individual to Stay and to Survive in Such State, in such Organization. But...?!  Recall Elijah 1 Kings 19. Israel people want to kill him because of his shinning. Is it different in "Spiritual Israel" today? Some JW made suicide, some was cut off socially/spiritually from other JW by Elders Judicial Judgement and suffer. Not me, i not suffer, because i decided to left. I suffer in other ways :)) 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Believe me, what you propose could never happen.  In order for me to be accepted back into the organization I would have to repent for my “apostate” ways….for rejecting 1914, for rejecting the rulership of an elder body and GB who expect full devotion to their teachings (falsehoods or not).   For turning completely to the Father and Christ, realizing an organization is not needed to be guided by Holy Spirit  I would have to basically lie to get back in; and, once reinstated, wouldn’t I be condoning the very falsehoods I was disfellowshipped for rejecting initially?  Rev 2:2; 2 Cor 6:17; Rev 18:4
    I do appreciate your sincerity, but I don’t think you realize how many anointed have been disfellowshipped, and how many have been bullied by the elder body for speaking up. 
    To be “shining as illuminators” we are to speak truth. Ezek 13:17  Anyone who illuminates truth and exposes a lie in the organization is disfellowshipped. It’s much different when speaking here on a forum about Watchtower’s lies, then voicing your disapproval of doctrine or false rulership among the very ones you see many times a week.  Before I was disfellowshipped, I shared my troubled concerns about a few topics with three very close friends.  Immediately, and I mean within minutes after hearing me out, they cut me off.  I never heard from them again. They did this because of their own fear of also being disfellowshipped, if they were to sympathize with my concerns, if they were to listen any further to what I had to say.      Can you see? What you are saying is pie in the sky.  How far do you believe truth, that deviates from the GB's teachings, from the mouth of someone like me or any anointed one, will get them? 
    My initial comment is about the Man of Lawlessness. You mentioned the organization has “sprung so many anointed ones”.  This isn’t by accident, but fulfills prophesy. Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9  The Man of Lawlessness “tramples” the anointed Temple. 1 Cor 3:16,17 They, the priesthood, are kept quiet and not allowed to be “illuminators” of truth.  2 Thess 2:3,4,8,9; Matt 24:15
    Do you believe it is approved by God to shun or disfellowship anyone who speaks aloud and exposes such lies?  The organization isn’t God or Jesus, but a rather new development created by men who require loyalty to what they have built.    Remember Russell said,
    "Beware of "organization." It is wholly un-necessary. The Bible will be the only rules you need. Do not seek to bind other consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's word today, and so continue to growing in grace and knowledge day by day." (Zion's Watch Tower, 1895, p. 216.)
    My conscience would not allow me to re-enter a faulty operation of error.  Jesus did not expect his people to tolerate false teachings from the Pharisees. Matt 15:14 Should we do so today?  Every false and failed teaching uttered by the GB shows them up for being blind teachers.  If truth brings us salvation, why would we settle for anything less?  John 14:6; 17:3,17
    James 4:17 -   “So it is sin to know the good and yet not do it.”
    To remain in the “same state in which you were called “(1 Cor 7:20) doesn’t apply to remaining where false teachings exist because that is not something God, Jesus or the apostles taught us to do.  1 Cor 10:21,22; Ps 26:4  If remaining in the same state is as you say, I could apply it to being a mother, a wife, a sister, a child of a mother and father, while also doing God's will as an anointed one.   If you’ll notice verse 23 – “You were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men”.  I was a slave to men, should I remain in that same state?  The elders have authority over the anointed ones by the decree of men.  It isn't Bible-based.  Most certainly, no anointed one will be allow  to “shine” the light of truth that comes from one’s own heart.  You mentioned once, JWI, that you seemed to notice many of the anointed were not mentally sound, if I am right in what I remember.  My first reaction was one of defensiveness; but I have thought about your statement, and I realize that preventing an anointed heart to speak out independently from the GB and elder body, causes emotional and spiritual breakdown. To be told that they are not to bond together or study the Bible together, or not to reach out to other anointed members of the Body, can subconsciously, without realizing it, cause spiritual pain.  I was at that point, even if I thought all was well, I suffered mental heaviness and depression.  Holy Spirit is living, and if an anointed heart succumbs to men’s wishes and resists its power, I believe mental unstableness and depression does result. Phil 2:12,13,16  (Acts 7:51; Isa 63:10)
    Just consider what comprises God’s Temple. Rev 11:19; 14:1-5   Every anointed priest who is sealed into it must be found blameless and pure, “with no lie found in their mouths.” That is an impossibility if they accept false teachings, past or present, and allow men to mold their thinking, instead of Jesus Christ.  John 14:6
    That is the organization’s mantra, and the criteria necessary to be one of its accepted members. 
    The apostle Paul, a foundation stone of the Holy City of Truth (Zech 8:3; Eph 2:19-22):
    “Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you.
    Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 1 Cor 15:1,2
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    JW org flag replaced with Chilean flag ..............and all that was happened in Chile Land not in JW Land ? :))
    It seems that these youths forgot how KH is in fact  Embassy of Foreign Country and have Their Own Flag on Their Own Territory inside Chilean State. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    If it is said in this way, it is not so surprising to be true. Some "clever" (read - spirit guided) individual/s from (??? HQ, Chile Betel, ...or somewhere else) found the new way how to run "theocratic warfare strategy". Inventive idea, for sure, but revealing to all of us, how deep some people are ready to go in manipulative behavior. 
    Lies are untruths told for selfish reasons and which work injury to others. Satan told a lie to Eve that worked great harm to her and all the human race. Ananias and Sapphira told lies for selfish reasons. But hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him, especially when he would use such information to harm others who are innocent...The only way they can fulfill the command to preach the good news of God’s kingdom is by use of theocratic war strategy. By underground methods....Today God’s servants are engaged in a warfare, a spiritual, theocratic warfare, a warfare ordered by God against wicked spirit forces and against false teachings. God’s servants are sent forth as sheep among wolves and therefore need to exercise the extreme caution of serpents so as to protect properly the interests of God’s kingdom committed to them. At all times they must be very careful not to divulge any information to the enemy that he could use to hamper the preaching work. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1957327
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    Witness reacted to Anna in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Right. So they are effectively being told what to do, (in order to show the government it's a matter of conscience for the congregation) therefor where does the matter of conscience come into this? It's another one of those paradoxes! Actually it's more like a contradiction.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    @Anna  and all JWs, Today's "Daily Text":
    You will have to know that Jehovah of armies has sent me to you.—Zech. 6:15.
    How did Zechariah’s message affect the Jews in his day? Jehovah had guaranteed stability and protection for their work. His assurance that the temple would be built must have brought hope to their tired hearts. But how would just a few accomplish so much work? Zechariah’s next words remove any remaining fear or doubt. In addition to the support of faithful ones like Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah, God tells of many others who would “come and take part in building the temple of Jehovah.” Confident of divine backing, the Jews quickly swing into action, resuming their building work despite the ban by the Persian king. Soon Jehovah removes the mountainlike obstacle of the official ban, and the temple is completed in 515 B.C.E. (Ezra 6:22; Zech. 4:6, 7) The words of Jehovah, however, describe things far greater for our day. w17.1029 ¶17
    FROM THE ARTICLE THAT THE WATCHTOWER LINKS:
    Today, millions join in true worship, and they are moved from the heart to contribute their “valuable things,” which include their time, energy, and resources in support of Jehovah’s great spiritual temple. (Prov. 3:9) How can we be certain that Jehovah values our loyal support? Remember that Heldai, Tobijah, and Jedaiah brought the materials for the crown that Zechariah made. The crown then served “as a memorial,” or “reminder,” of their contribution toward true worship. (Zech. 6:14; ftn.) Likewise, the work and the love we show for Jehovah will never be forgotten. (Heb. 6:10) They will remain forever, cherished in Jehovah’s memory.
    19. What effect should Zechariah’s visions have on us today?
    19 All that has been accomplished for true worship in these last days is tangible evidence of Jehovah’s blessing and Christ’s leadership. We are part of a stable, secure, and everlasting organization. Jehovah’s purpose regarding pure worship “will occur.” Cherish your place among Jehovah’s people, and “do not fail to listen to the voice of Jehovah your God.” Then you can remain under the protection of our King and High Priest and of the heavenly riders of the chariots. Have as full a share as possible in supporting true worship. As you do so, you can be certain that Jehovah of armies will keep you safe and secure during the remainder of this system of things—and for eternity!
    The organization is your temple, and your idol.
    The true temple of God:  
    Insight on the Scriptures Volume 2, page 1083
    Anointed Christians—A Spiritual Temple. Anointed Christians on earth are likened to a number of things, including a temple. This comparison is fitting because God’s spirit dwells within the congregation of anointed ones. Paul wrote to the Christians in Ephesus “in union with Christ Jesus,” those who are “sealed with the promised holy spirit,” saying: “You have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. In union with him you, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit.” (Eph 1:1, 13;2:20-22) These “sealed” ones, laid upon Christ as Foundation, are shown to number 144,000. (Re 7:4; 14:1) The apostle Peter speaks of these as “living stones” being “built up a spiritual house for the purpose of a holy priesthood.”—1Pe 2:5.
    Since these underpriests are “God’s building,” he will not let this spiritual temple suffer defilement. Paul emphasizes the holiness of this spiritual temple, and the danger to one who attempts to defile it, when he writes: “Do you not know that you people are God’s temple, and that the spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you people are.”—1Co 3:9, 16, 17; see also 2Co 6:16.
    The true Temple is no longer recognizable.  It has been defiled by a false priesthood/elder body replacing God's true priests. 2 Thess 2:3,4 It has been defiled by a false prophet/Harlot and her lies.   Revelation speaks of demonic expressions emanating from the mouth of a false prophet,  a "Beast" that conquers the Temple of God, and from the devil himself.  These expressions have not developed instantly, but gradually into a complete blasphemous lie against the Temple of God.   The example given, is of a frog.  A frog begins as an egg and eventually turns into, in this case, a plague of lies.  Rev 16:12-16; 13:7

    The organization is that Beast. Rev 13:1  The composite false prophet is the Beast speaking as if from Christ.  Rev 13:11; Matt 24:24
     
      Please JWs, can't you see the transformation of the organization into a complete blasphemous lie?  Jesus has been the chief cornerstone of God's Temple since 2,000 years ago.  It has been "building" since then, with faithful living stones being sealed into it.  What is the foundation stone for the organization/idol?  It isn't Jesus Christ.
    The organization is the  mountainlike idol that will be removed.
    Soon Jehovah removes the mountainlike obstacle of the official ban, and the temple is completed in 515 B.C.E. (Ezra 6:22; Zech. 4:6, 7)
    God's true temple in the anointed ones will not survive among the haven of lies.  It is imperative that they leave the idol, as should all JWs.  Rev 18:4-8
    The Temple will be completed, and the last "living stones" will be set in place outside the Watchtower's walls.    Zech 4:6,7  it is then, that the Kingdom will arrive.  Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:1-4
    "The second angel blew his trumpet, and something like a great mountain ablaze with fire was hurled into the sea." Rev 8:8
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to TrueTomHarley in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    It is a mild hypocrisy but nothing more. 
    It is like when brothers decry those who love violence but then tune into the football game.
    It is like when Jesus turns water into wine and the director says: “Every other man puts out the fine wine first, and then when guests are intoxicated the inferior. But you have saved the best for last!” 
    One uber-righteous brother (for we do have some) stated: “We know people were not intoxicated at that gathering because Jesus would NEVER associate with those intoxicated.” I thought: “Of course he would. The verse all but says he did.”
    Good ol Jubulasiasen, who can’t hold his liquor and ordinarily doesn’t have to worry about it because he drinks only in moderation has a few too many at the joyous gathering and makes an ass of himself, incurring the wrath of his wife on account of the embarrassment.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Letter explained how Collective Conscience of Elders make Decision to Put or Not to Put Flag on KH in Chile. 
    So, nobody asked Bro and Sis of particular congregation? Interesting. No Resolution regard Flag?
    But Collective Conscience of Elders is Imperative?
    This makes old-new aspect on JWORG. Who and what RUN your decisions? Your Natural/Artificial Conscience?  JW Collective Conscience? Elders Body Conscience? GB Conscience? WT Lawyers Conscience? ....and similar. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Found this letter to elders. Is it fake?

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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    The GB. God appreciates gifts of money.   “A Gift in Hand for Jehovah”  Our Christian Life and Ministry—Meeting Workbook—2018 
    “Jehovah’s organization” is apparently owned by “Jehovah”.  To support his cause, it takes money.  He needs your money to make it successful.
     Voluntary giving has always been customary among Jehovah’s modern-day servants. At times, however, some have not taken full advantage of their privilege of supporting God’s cause by making donations.  W 92/1/15 p. 19
    Love for God and neighbor and the urgency of the Kingdom-preaching work move God’s people “to come forward . . . with a gift in hand for Jehovah” by making voluntary donations.  Wt 16/11 p. 20
    If you’ll recall, the preaching work by the apostles was driven by Holy Spirit. (Acts 16:6-10) The organization  is driven by money, validating the GB’s admittance that they are not inspired; and if they are not inspired by Holy Spirit, than neither is the organization. Rev 13:15  “God’s cause” is really the desires of men, and “a gift in hand” for the GB.   God can do anything without the need for money.  He can make “the rocks cry out”.  Luke 19:39,40   So why would He have a cause in money-making schemes derived in Satan’s world; labeled a preaching work which tells made up stories about Armageddon, Christ not reigning as king until 1914, “this generation”, the “other sheep”, who is the “faithful slave”, etc….right down to the way you should dress? 2 Pet 2:3
     
    I am not here to make enemies but to reveal truth and expose lies.  If you will, consider reading Romans 10:6-13, and you will see that Romans 10:13-15 refers to calling on the name of Jesus.  The majority of the Jews already professed belief in God, but not in Christ.   It is Jesus and having faith in him, that Paul is speaking of.   
    If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,”and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.  Rom 10:9
    Christ’s true followers recognize this, but JWs have been deceived.   Just this one sample of a scriptural change by the Watchtower, helps bolster its ideals that “Jehovah’s organization” is the road to salvation. This leaves Christ who through the power of God is our only salvation, powerless, as Satan would prefer it.  Dan 8:25 Compare verse 9 and verse 13 together.
    Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone of his Temple built on his body,  has been rejected for an organization.  It matters not that his name is mentioned. John 5:38-40; 2 Cor 11:4
    Have you ever wondered how all the early faithful believers of Christ and the Father were able to obtain salvation without the Watchtower?
     Yes, we all can spread TRUTH; but, dear Anna, I don’t think you have noticed that I have mentioned a few times that the other sheep were the anointed physical Gentiles added to the “little flock” (Matt 15:24)  of fleshly Jews to make a new Nation of “Israel”. Acts 13:46; 10:45,47; Rom 1:16; 2:9,10,28,29; John 10:16,27; Isa 56:8; Ezek 34:23; Rev 7:17  The primary preaching is an assignment given to the anointed ones. Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9  In the time of the end, this service to God has been consumed by those not anointed. The elders have gradually taken charge of what is taught. 2 Thess 2:1-4  The message of Christ has been changed by the authority of an organization.   Instead of Christ being our sole salvation, an idol that must be served by the hands of men, has become the path of salvation. Isa 2:8   This presents a difficult decision to be made by all JWs. Matt 24:4,5,15-22 The false promise of serving the organization’s needs is offered as leading one to eternal life. 1 Tim 4:3,4; 2 Thess 2:9-12  There is no scripture to verify this.   The Watchtower has changed scripture to suit the desires of men; their voracious appetite to own, build, and obtain power over others, is manipulated by a belief in God as a driving force to win over hearts. Eccl 9:12; Amos 3:5  
    We do not live under the old covenant and the early temple arrangement, but the New Covenant which is the spiritual Temple.  There is no more need for the earthly building endeavors by men.  Gal 4:26 There is no more physical temple to maintain.   
    “Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as He appointed, instructing Moses to make it according to the pattern that he had seen, 45 which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought with Joshua into the land possessed by the Gentiles, whom God drove out before the face of our fathers until the days of David, 46 who found favor before God and asked to find a dwelling for the God of Jacob. 47 But Solomon built Him a house.
     
    48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
    49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is My footstool.
    What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
    Or what is the place of My rest?
    50 Has My hand not made all these things?’
    The Jews were not willing to give up their material temple and accept Christ as the chief cornerstone of God’s dwelling.  Stephen called them “stiff-necked” for resisting the Holy Spirit.  He was stoned to death by the Jews.  Today, God’s anointed ones and companions who realize what Stephen was speaking about, and who reject “Jehovah’s organization”, are symbolically “stoned” – considered spiritually dead. 
    If I have turned to Christ and the Father completely, serving as He directs me to serve, am I really spiritually “dead” in His eyes, or only in the eyes of men who want me dead? Matt 5:11;16:25; Rev 11:1-3,7
    Think about it, would Christ relinquish his name as our salvation by giving this title over to an earthly polluted entity, (no organization in this world can be pure) spawned and grown in his enemy’s material world, for a mere 100 years?  Acts 4:2; Job 14:4
    Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
    The stone that the builders rejected
    has become the cornerstone.
    This is what the Lord has done
    and it is wonderful in our eyes?
    43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruit. 44 Whoever falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will shatter him.”
    45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they knew he was speaking about them. 46 Although they were looking for a way to arrest him, they feared the crowds, because the people regarded him as a prophet.  Matt 21:41-46
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Do JWs need to be reminded of their website?  There were a lot of little flags put to work on these cupcakes,  for not symbolizing anything.
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    They may invite Caleb and Sophia over for tea, though.  
    Yes, children are taught kingdom halls are "God's House".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    One more thing, Allen.  Deception begets deception. I see "Billy the Kid" has adopted the easy path of deception that his leaders have taught him.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   

    Luke 12:32
    Ahh, you are thinking I am applying this to the anointed remnant that comes out of the Watchtower.
    No.  The “little flock” were physical Jews; who, when added to the Gentile “other sheep”, became one anointed flock under Christ as the new Nation of “Israel”.  John 10:16; Rom.9:6; 2:28-29; Gal.6:15-16; 3:28-29     
    If faithful, they would also receive the Kingdom.   Rev 5:9,10
    The number of anointed who survive Armageddon, are few.  Eze.14:22; Luke13:23-24; 18:26-27; Matt.7:13-14
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    If you only realized JWs do not consider you part of their "church".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    That’s exactly what it means.
    I told you, I don’t believe in the trinity, both in silence and out loud.  You’re not making sense, Allen.  What are you, an interrogating lawyer for the "Society"?   The only reason I am answering you is for the benefit of any other JW who may be reading this. 
    There is no union of the saints, who are the Body of Christ, in the organization.  The Watchtower makes sure that they remain apart.  It is discouraged that the Body of “living stones” of God’s Temple, do not study the Bible together.   1 Pet 2:5,9   What a hypocritical doctrine.    There is a union of the saints/anointed ones outside of the organization, who have been “killed” by your organization for turning to Christ.   Rev 12:14
    And am I silent?  Isa 58:1; Rev 11:1-3
    Is the GB aware of the interests of its anointed “brothers" or just their own interests?  Matt 24:48-51
     Up until just recently, who was considered the “faithful and discreet slave”?  Who is it now?  Who is doing the isolating?
    How is that so?  What have I continually said about the Temple of God, with Christ as the chief cornerstone, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets?  The members of the anointed Body of Christ are the “church”. 
     
    First of all, when you say “Society”, I am guessing you mean the Watchtower.  Are you believing there were no anointed ones after the death of the apostles and up until 100 years ago?  You believe not one Christian anointed one walked the earth for 2,000 years?  That no believer in Christ was present during that time?  
    The Society didn’t “inherit” 3,000 anointed ones, they fell into Satan’s end time deception to be “sifted” by his greatest magnum opus since deceiving Eve.  Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12 ; Jer 5:26; Ps 140:5
    Tell me, how will the anointed ones be conquered in the time of the end.  They are not safe in “Jehovah’s organization” as taught, because they face a severe test at the hands of a “false prophet”.  Ezek 13:10-12; Matt 7:15; 24:24; 1 Thess 5:3
    Can you explain this - Rev 13:5-7,11
    Who are these 1.6 billion Christians?  Those outside the organization? Now you are including outsiders when before you said, the first Christians were inherited by the Society one hundred years ago? Or, is this number the entire amount of JWs over the years? 
    Through Holy Spirit, you have heard of it, haven’t you?  Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:3,4
    A rejection of Christ?  Or, do you mean a rejection of the GB?
    Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, forsalvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:21-24
    The spiritual dwelling place of God is within the anointed heart.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  On their heart is written God’s laws.  Heb 8:10  The early ark of the covenant symbolized the presence of God and housed the laws given to Moses. Under the New Covenant, God’s anointed priesthood are like that ark. Rev 11:19 Each one is to carry truth, the truth from Christ. John 17:17 When the early temple was built, the ark was placed in the “inner court” of the temple specifying God’s presence in that temple.  Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  “But he was speaking of the temple of his Body”.  John 2:19-21
    Every anointed priest is part of the temple as “living stones”, and they ARE the temple, according to 1 Cor 3:16,17. Eph 2:20-22  During the last days, a conquering force comes upon them using deceitful lies. Rev 13:7; 20:9,10   Those who reject the lies are “killed”.  Rev 13:15; Matt 16:25; 19:29  Instead of buying spiritual food from a false prophet, these "stones" “buy gold” from Jesus Christ.  Rev 3:18  And by breaking free of this spiritual captivity of deception, (Rev 13:10)  they are the “victorious ones”, riding with Christ in the battle of truth against lies.  Rev 15:2; 19:11,19,20
     Uninspired men are unable to provide pure teachings from Christ, because they no longer carry God’s spirit in their heart.  Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    No, there is one “church”(Body) which is God’s Temple/Zion.  1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22
    One religion.  James 1:27
    This is what I belong to as an anointed one.
    "If you do not"?  Does not belonging to an earthly church, which is what you are referring to, mean that I would believe the trinity?
    No, I don't.
    I don’t suppose you are trying to catch me in an act of idolatry, are you?  My devotion is purely to the Father and to my Master, Jesus Christ.  John 1:2,14,18; 3:16,18; 5:17-19
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