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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Some JWs love the artistic beauty of the cross so much, they use it wherever they can get away with it. 
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Oh dear, typical Allen comment.
     
    This part:
    But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
    I proclaim the excellencies of the Father and His Son.  JWs proclaim “Jehovah AND his organization”, or Jehovah’s organization”. 
    “Who will you compare Me or make me equal to? Who will you measure me with, so that we should be like eWhy does Michael ch other?  Isa 46:5 
    What does the name Michael mean?  “Who Is Like God” 
    Michael stand up for his “people” in the last days. Considering the meaning of his name, do you think he is representing those who continually make the comparison of his Father to an earthly entity found in the enemy's realm?  Phil 3:18,19  Who expect devotion to the organization when God requires exclusive devotion?  Exod 20:5
    “At that time Michael (“Who is like God”) shall stand up, The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, Even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.”  Dan 12:1
    On one side of this war are those who represent God; on the other side are those who represent an idol/organization that claims to be "spirit-directed" and invincible.  Rev 13:15
    So they worshiped the dragon who  gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast?  Who is able to make war with him?"  Rev 13:4
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    The nation of Israel was dedicated to God, not to the nation of Israel. They served ONLY God.  Jws are a “nation” dedicated to an organization, which they serve.    There is a difference, and the difference is idolatry. Were the early apostles dedicated to an organization, or to God and Jesus Christ?  
    Is this what they are teaching you now?  I would not be surprised.
    Spiritual “Israel” does not include both anointed and those not anointed, but includes only the “firstfruits” of God’s children.  They are God’s called, chosen ones that bear the work of preaching the “good news” of Christ. James 1:18; Rev 14:1,4,5
    w96 2/15 p. 13-14 -   Well, beginning with Jesus’ apostles and others at Pentecost 33 C.E., Jehovah has been dealing with spiritual Israelites. These are humans anointed with God’s holy spirit who become part of what the apostle Paul calls “the Israel of God.” (Galatians 6:16;Romans 8:15-17) Recall, too, that at 1 Peter 2:9, these Christians are called “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession.” Peter goes on to identify the assignment given to spiritual Israel: “‘You should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.”
    The “other sheep” are physical Gentiles “grafted” into the vine of Christ – they are also, anointed ones, becoming one flock.  John 10:16; Eph 2:11-22; Rom 1:16; 11:22-25; Acts 11:9,18;10:45-47; 13:46; Rev 7:14-15
    But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy. 1 Pet 2:9,10  (Hos 2:23)
     “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me.”  Isa 43:10
    You used 1 Pet 2:9 to describe all JWs and anointed ones as “one flock”.  Are all JWs chosen for the priesthood?  Are all JWs anointed?  Are all JWs part of the “144,000”?  Rev 7:4
    Spiritual “Israel” is the holy nation of God.  When the New Covenant is fulfilled, and the Kingdom arrives, the rest of God’s children will be part of God’s spiritual “nation”.  Isa 66:7,8; Rev 22:17
    There is no earthly organization that God recognizes.  He is building His "organization" of the "144,000" on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ as the chief cornerstone, having His future children in mind to receive its blessings.  God recognizes His Temple. 1 Cor 3:16, 17; Eph 2:19-22       Do you?  In the last 100 years, men have fabricated their own organization, a "unique idea" as the Watchtower put it in the '40's.  It is blasphemy to God.  Rev 13:1,11
     
    We are in the last days.  The preaching work is to spiritual “Israel”. Matt 10:23 That would be to the anointed ones.  Listed among many is because  they are dedicated to an earthly organization, and not to God and Christ.  Why do I say this?
    “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and riches.”  Matt 6:24
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Do JWs need to be reminded of their website?  There were a lot of little flags put to work on these cupcakes,  for not symbolizing anything.
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    They may invite Caleb and Sophia over for tea, though.  
    Yes, children are taught kingdom halls are "God's House".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    One more thing, Allen.  Deception begets deception. I see "Billy the Kid" has adopted the easy path of deception that his leaders have taught him.  
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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    One more thing, Allen.  Deception begets deception. I see "Billy the Kid" has adopted the easy path of deception that his leaders have taught him.  
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    ???? when that happened please
    Or you confused, opposers breaking into, with law fines if they not put flag on building?
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    If you only realized JWs do not consider you part of their "church".  
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    That’s exactly what it means.
    I told you, I don’t believe in the trinity, both in silence and out loud.  You’re not making sense, Allen.  What are you, an interrogating lawyer for the "Society"?   The only reason I am answering you is for the benefit of any other JW who may be reading this. 
    There is no union of the saints, who are the Body of Christ, in the organization.  The Watchtower makes sure that they remain apart.  It is discouraged that the Body of “living stones” of God’s Temple, do not study the Bible together.   1 Pet 2:5,9   What a hypocritical doctrine.    There is a union of the saints/anointed ones outside of the organization, who have been “killed” by your organization for turning to Christ.   Rev 12:14
    And am I silent?  Isa 58:1; Rev 11:1-3
    Is the GB aware of the interests of its anointed “brothers" or just their own interests?  Matt 24:48-51
     Up until just recently, who was considered the “faithful and discreet slave”?  Who is it now?  Who is doing the isolating?
    How is that so?  What have I continually said about the Temple of God, with Christ as the chief cornerstone, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets?  The members of the anointed Body of Christ are the “church”. 
     
    First of all, when you say “Society”, I am guessing you mean the Watchtower.  Are you believing there were no anointed ones after the death of the apostles and up until 100 years ago?  You believe not one Christian anointed one walked the earth for 2,000 years?  That no believer in Christ was present during that time?  
    The Society didn’t “inherit” 3,000 anointed ones, they fell into Satan’s end time deception to be “sifted” by his greatest magnum opus since deceiving Eve.  Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12 ; Jer 5:26; Ps 140:5
    Tell me, how will the anointed ones be conquered in the time of the end.  They are not safe in “Jehovah’s organization” as taught, because they face a severe test at the hands of a “false prophet”.  Ezek 13:10-12; Matt 7:15; 24:24; 1 Thess 5:3
    Can you explain this - Rev 13:5-7,11
    Who are these 1.6 billion Christians?  Those outside the organization? Now you are including outsiders when before you said, the first Christians were inherited by the Society one hundred years ago? Or, is this number the entire amount of JWs over the years? 
    Through Holy Spirit, you have heard of it, haven’t you?  Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:3,4
    A rejection of Christ?  Or, do you mean a rejection of the GB?
    Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, forsalvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”  John 4:21-24
    The spiritual dwelling place of God is within the anointed heart.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  On their heart is written God’s laws.  Heb 8:10  The early ark of the covenant symbolized the presence of God and housed the laws given to Moses. Under the New Covenant, God’s anointed priesthood are like that ark. Rev 11:19 Each one is to carry truth, the truth from Christ. John 17:17 When the early temple was built, the ark was placed in the “inner court” of the temple specifying God’s presence in that temple.  Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”  “But he was speaking of the temple of his Body”.  John 2:19-21
    Every anointed priest is part of the temple as “living stones”, and they ARE the temple, according to 1 Cor 3:16,17. Eph 2:20-22  During the last days, a conquering force comes upon them using deceitful lies. Rev 13:7; 20:9,10   Those who reject the lies are “killed”.  Rev 13:15; Matt 16:25; 19:29  Instead of buying spiritual food from a false prophet, these "stones" “buy gold” from Jesus Christ.  Rev 3:18  And by breaking free of this spiritual captivity of deception, (Rev 13:10)  they are the “victorious ones”, riding with Christ in the battle of truth against lies.  Rev 15:2; 19:11,19,20
     Uninspired men are unable to provide pure teachings from Christ, because they no longer carry God’s spirit in their heart.  Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Rom 6:16
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Canada has many symbols. There may be some other symbol appearing in their Betel. Why stop at the inuksuk statue?
    But there is something else what we can think about as idols, idolatry, worshiping, hidden message, changed/twisted meaning. In verse quoted above one special terminology was introduced by Jesus. Word Helper or helper is equivalent for Holy Spirit of holy spirit. HE will teach You and you.
    The Governing Body entrusts much to its helpers and appreciates the fine service performed by these loyal, hardworking brothers. - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20151015/helpers-governing-body-committees/
    It is interesting how WTJWORG find it adequate to give THIS name/etiquette/title to humans who "helping" GB members. Because GB members strongly claiming how they are NOT inspired by Spirit (in other simple words, Spirit NOT teaching them) but that they are "guided", it is significant and not far from reality how substitution for teaching from REAL, GENUINE holy spirit which source is in God, is TRANSFERRED to Artificial "holy spirits" that resides in, it's situated in Human called "GB Helper/s".
    If one of meaning for Inuksuk Statue is to point the way to somewhere, or to correct your way, than this WT invention, from 1992 , is very seriously entering in the domain, radius of idolatry and worshiping of idols. How comes to that? Because Helpers are males appointed (not by HS, but by GB) to serve in various (6) Committees, which decisions, instructions and marking they way how "worshiping God has to look" is not under INFLUENCE, GUIDING, TEACHING of holy spirit as ONLY HELPER PROMISED BY JESUS, but under Human Helpers spirit. 
    Who/whom JW member obey? Worshiping? JW member worshiping those or that whom or what he listening and OBEY. If you obey human person, in final moment you worshiping him, willingly (deceived or by own choice) or by force. If you obey your own idea of something or about someone, you worship your own idol created in you/yourself.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    If your words were true and that’s all there was to it, no one would be shunned or disfellowshipped for rejecting “Jehovah’s organization”.  Rev 13:1,5-7,11,15-17
    "Apostasy
    Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.  rs p.34-37"
     
    "Wild Beast and its Ten Horns" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Some JWs love the artistic beauty of the cross so much, they use it wherever they can get away with it. 
     


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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    @TrueTomHarley
    "Next thing you know, you will be asking some politician to sign your Bible.
    Or telling another one that he represents the political manifestation of God’s kingdom on earth."
    I knew exactly who the GB were signing the Bibles for. That's why I posted the picture; it fit your comment perfectly.  The cause or the setting makes one wonder, doesn't it?  Is it too hypocritical for the GB to sign Bibles belonging to "friends", yet easily done for those in the "world"?
    If I hated you or any JW, I wouldn't be here begging each and every one of you to read Rev 18:4-8, to take heed of the sins of God's anointed people.  How readily JWs throw out the word "hate" to "apostates", yet have I ever used that word against any JW?
     
    (Addition)  “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."  Matt 5:43-48
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    I can tell you are struggling with this.  But, your idea, Anna, opens up a field of possibilities.  Why not put a clay Buddha statue on the living room coffee table simply because he appears so benevolent?  Or, a gilded wooden cross on the wall because it is a superb piece of art.  Or, a statue of Mary, Peter or Joseph in the garden.  Again, they are just formed of earthen clay. 
    The Inuksuk bears an image that the Watchtower identifies with.  Its symbol is important enough to put inside the Branch in an area where the native people who revere this statue, are potential “bait”.
    The Inuksuk brings good luck, like a rabbit’s foot.  Should we start carrying a small version in our pocket?
    Here is its description.  http://ca.paganfederation.org/the-history-and-meaning-of-the-inuksuk/
    Here is WT’s information next to the stone image: 
    “Often defined as “that which acts in the capacity of a human”, these giant landmarks have been use as markers and for navigation by the peoples in Canada’s far north. Just like the Inuksuk, our literature is able to speak on our behalf in hard to reach places”
    When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods who will go before us.  Exod 32:1
    The page description linked gives the detailed story.
    Perhaps every JW should have one in their entry hall, since it appears to signify the mobility of the preaching work.  There must have been a GB member at the celebration of the Branch remodel, so you might get away with it where you live.  Unless, it's not the approved "dress code" for the area.  
     Better yet, what about a wooden Asherah pole which also was established on the “high places” by the nation of Israel.   The Inuksuk sounds like a male image; the Asherah, the goddess of fertility.  They should get together and have children; proof that the preaching work is producing "fruit".    It sounds crazy doesn’t it?
    “He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them. 25 The images of their gods you are to burn in the fire. Do not covet the silver and gold on them, and do not take it for yourselves, or you will be ensnared by it, for it is detestable to the Lord your God. 26 Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Regard it as vile and utterly detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.”   Deut 7:24-26
    I am sure the early idols seemed harmless to men, but to God, no image was to stand between Him and His people. 
    “Of what value is an idol carved by a craftsman?
        Or an image that teaches lies?
    For the one who makes it trusts in his own creation;
        he makes idols that cannot speak.
    19 Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Come to life!’
        Or to lifeless stone, ‘Wake up!’
    Can it give guidance?
        It is covered with gold and silver;
        there is no breath in it.”  Hab 2:18,19
    Absolutely no image at all; even one men call “spirit-directed”.
    We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization. (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21)    w90 11/1 pp. 23-28  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Inukshuk - among the oldest and most important objects placed by humans upon the vast Arctic landscape - are a sacred symbol. The figure is the Inuit symbol of their homeland and these people tradition forbids the destruction of these objects.
    If it wasn't a symbol of veneration, it wouldn't be forbidden to remove it.  
    I doubt the Canadian Bethel would go so far as to adopt the northern territory flag of Canada with an Inuksuk already on it, because it is a FLAG representing another nation; and JWs don’t “venerate” flags of other nations.    However, the organization does have its own flag that symbolizes a homeland, so why not put the Inuksuk on the jw dot org flag to symbolize the preaching work of a nation?
     


     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    I am guessing by "2" you mean "2nd", and not another "two".   
    I can just imagine how JWs would react if a GB member offered to sign their personal  Bibles at a convention.   Worth standing in line for?
    I personally find this Bible narrator one of my favorites.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/2Cor.1
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Oh yes, I saw the news clip yesterday.  I mentioned this to my husband and relayed the past bible signing event by the GB.
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    Librarian, you have been extremely kind and tolerant of my being here.  I don’t care to start my own club or religion.  The “two witnesses” during the time of the end preach to spiritual “Israel” who are the anointed ones.  If I am asked to leave, I will; but until that time, I will continue to preach to JWs wherever they are found; and that will be here if you continue to have me.     Rev 11:3,4; Zech 4:12-14,8-10; Matt 10:23
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    Witness got a reaction from Queen Esther in Where did the other half of Jesus’ DNA come from?   
    God made Adam.  He made Eve from Adam's rib.  
    Must be a miracle. 
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Where did the other half of Jesus’ DNA come from?   
    God made Adam.  He made Eve from Adam's rib.  
    Must be a miracle. 
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Where did the other half of Jesus’ DNA come from?   
    God made Adam.  He made Eve from Adam's rib.  
    Must be a miracle. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Where did the other half of Jesus’ DNA come from?   
    God made Adam.  He made Eve from Adam's rib.  
    Must be a miracle. 
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"   
    That cracked me up ...  with snarky criticism of alluding to recent (past few days) national news that Trump signed Bibles for various clergymen (which was heavily criticized in the "fake media" by those with severe TDS )  ... and then seeing the posting of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses signing Bibles for politicians.
    I had seen that before, but I had completely forgotten about it.
    Thanks TTH .... always good for  some  "reducto ad absurdum" humor at the oddest times.


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