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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    “At some point”. Yes, he prayed because he said he did nothing but what the Father told him.  John 5:30; 8:28.  Since God knows all things, do you believe He would keep Judas as the betrayer a secret from Jesus, letting him find out on his own?   You are saying Jesus had no ability given him by God, to read the heart of man. Scriptures say otherwise.  John 2:23-25; 6:64  Judas was chosen as a betrayer.  It sounds like your saying that Jesus was in the dark about who of the 12, would betray him until he proved himself to be a thief.  Both God and Christ knew his heart.  John 2:23-25.  Jesus knew “from the beginning”.  “He knew all men”.   
    John 17:12 - While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
    Do you believe he didn't know how he would die, or that Pilate would be instrumental in sending him to his death at the demand of the Pharisees?  He knew exactly how it would happen and by whom. 
    Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”
    57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
    58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”   John 8:54-58
    Judas’ role as the betrayer was fulfilled. Ps 41:9; Mark 14:19-21   Jesus’ choice for the twelfth apostle was Paul; another stumbling block most likely, for JWs. He personally chose all 12 apostles, as well as who would betray him.  Matthias was chosen by men, who cast lots. Acts 1:26
    Here are examples of Jesus’ knowing what was in the heart of each person even before speaking with them.
    Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7 “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
    8 Immediately Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts, and he said to them, “Why are you thinking these things? Mark 2:6-8
     
    When Jesus saw Nathanael approaching, he said of him, “Here truly is an Israelite in whom there is no deceit.”48 “How do you know me?” Nathanael asked.
    Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.” 49 Then Nathanael declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.” John 18:47-49
    How did Jesus see him?  Spiritually, physically?  How did he determine that Nathaneal had “no deceit” unless he read his heart?  John 18:47-49
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.  John 6:64
    Jesus said to him, “He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you.” 11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, “You are not all clean.”  John 13:10,11
     Now when He was in Jerusalem at the Passover, during the feast, many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. 24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man.  John 2:23-25
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from derek1956 in ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES IDOLATERS?   
    Ps 119:30 – “The unfolding of your words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.”
    Dear JWs,
    Can an idol hear the words of God?  Idolatry is sourced in the spirit of the world, where Satan wields his authority. 1 John 5:19  An idol cannot speak the words of God, aiding others to reach the light of understanding and truth.   John 17:17 
    An idol has no compassion toward those in need, extending its hand to comfort the afflicted and those suffering in sorrow; fully able to sense their needs.   It cannot comprehend the examples of love and compassion we have in Christ.  Matt 11:28-30   
    If an idol is unable to hear and speak the Word of God in Christ, then surely we know it can never walk in the path of Christ, or shine the light of truth when under the power of the wicked one.    1 Sam 12:21; Ps 119:1-5
    Can an earthly fabrication, run by men, EVER bring salvation to ANYONE who joins it?  And what if it does purport to be the way to salvation; can those who represent it, hear, speak, and walk in the Word of God and the path of Christ?  No.  It would be an act of rebellion to assign salvation to anything other than the name that scripture declares as our salvation. Its leaders would be false teachers, appearing as “ministers of light”, “holding to a form of godliness, although having denied its power”.   Ps 18:2; Acts 4:12; 2 Cor 11:13-15; 2 Tim 3:5   
     Yes, idolatry IS an act of rebellion against God.  Ezek 20:8;Ps 78:58  
    How do you feel about the following proclamation by your leaders, JWs?
    Watchtower 1981/11/15:  “come to Jehovah’s ORGANIZATION for SALVATION”   pg 16-21 par 18
    “There are those who rebel against the light, who do not know its ways or stay in its paths.” Job 24:13
    If we take another fork in the Watchtower’s twisted road to “salvation”, what do your leaders say?
    Watchtower 90/11/1 p. 26 – “We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry – be it worshipful gestures toward an IMAGE OR SYMBOL or the imputing of SALVATION to a PERSON or an ORGANIZATION. 
    Please, think about this the next time you view an exJW as an “apostate”.  Do you know that the most threatening “apostates” to the organization are those who have turned fully to God and Christ?  Why?  They do not hide their “lamp” under a basket, but speak the Word of God boldly for all of you to hear.  The Word of God is truth, which exposes the Watchtower’s idolatrous identity.  Luke 11:33; Rev 11:1-3; 13:1,5,11,14-17  
    There is no need to return to “Jehovah’s organization”, since it is, according to the above Watchtower quote, an IDOL.  Those who desire to walk in the light of Christ, seek out the pure words of God, untainted by men, their decrees and twisted reasoning.  They have come to know that the Father does not stand on equal ground with an organization, but He alone is our Rock and our fortress.  Isa 46:5; 42:8; 2:7-10  
    They have found the true God. They have returned to pure worship. Isa 57:13; Ps 24:3,4
    Watchtower 1953/3/1 p. 143:  “Ask yourself now, Did Christ Jesus, who set our example and told us to follow his example to gain life, join any church ORGANIZATION in his day?  No.  GOD DOES NOT REQUIRE US TO DO THAT; but he requires us to worship him…  We have the Bible to show us the right way.  CERTAINLY IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR A PERSON TO BECOME A MEMBER OF A CHURCH TO GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE.”
    Who then, is the apostate?  One who stays clear of worldly organizations and worships in “spirit and truth”, or is it you, and your leaders who have rebelled against God by glorifying “Jehovah’s organization”?    Please, reject the Watchtower Idol, JWs.  As with all idols, this one is destined to topple soon.  John 4:23,24  
     
    Psalm 115:
    Not to us, YHVH, not to us,
    but to Your name give glory
    because of Your faithful love, because of Your truth.
    2 Why should the nations say,
    “Where is their God?” 
    3 Our God is in heaven
    and does whatever He pleases.
    4 Their idols are silver and gold,
    made by human hands.
    5 They have mouths but cannot speak,
    eyes, but cannot see.
    6 They have ears but cannot hear,
    noses, but cannot smell.
    7 They have hands but cannot feel,
    feet, but cannot walk.
    They cannot make a sound with their throats.

    8 Those who make them are just like them,
    as are all who trust in them.
    9 House of Israel, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    10 House of Aaron, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    11 You who fear the Lord, trust in YHVH!
    He is their help and shield.

    12 The Lord remembers us and will bless us.
    He will bless the house of Israel;
    he will bless the house of Aaron;
    13 he will bless those who fear the Lord—
    small and great alike.
    14 May the Lord add to your numbers,
    both yours and your children’s.
    15 May you be blessed by the Lord,
    the Maker of heaven and earth.
    16 The heavens are the Lord’s heavens
    but the earth he has given to the children of men.

    17 It is not the dead who praise the Lord,
    nor any of those descending into the silence of death.
    18 But we will bless the Lord,
    both now and forever.
    Praise the Lord!
     
    Pearl Doxsey 
        "Can the Watchtower Crumble?"
        "Who is the False Prophet that Gives Breath to the Image of the Beast?"
     
     
     
     

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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    It is understandable for me to see your disappoint about R.F. or similar characters inside JW. Yes, perhaps your view about him is correct. But for many of us is of less concern why he wrote a book about GB and WT. We can feel sorrow for him or we can say he is/was hypocrite. Nevertheless, information's we get from his inside insight about WT GB mechanism are more important then he alone. Because "The Truth" is in question, not he, not me, not you. 
    He was the one who has must struggle with HIS conscience why he stay inside and support all wrongs he knew about, despite knowledge he had. He was the one who has been responsible for covering this too long and so on. I do not care, in final stage of matter, what was his motive. Only important thing for me is;  Is it that or this, what he said, true?      
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    I remember watching a very stupid 'horror' film about monsters in the mist. 
    A man was in his car with his parents who were very old, in thick mist, and they could hear the monsters getting closer. 
    The man had a gun with only two bullets in. He didn't want the monsters to get his parents so they decided the best plan was to use the two bullets to kill both his parents. They did this. And then the man was just sat there in the car with his dead parents, waiting for the monsters to get him. But all of a sudden the armed forces arrived with tanks and big guns, the mist started to clear, and the man was saved. However to others it would have looked like he had just murdered his parents. The film ended with the man stood by his car watching the armed forces attacking the monsters. 
    I recall that because it helps me to realise that a person has to act on the situation / facts known, that they have at that particular time. A person's motives may be for the good, but to others it looks as if they are for the bad. 
    It is therefore a wonderful thing that God, and Jesus Christ, can see all things and know all things. They know us better than we know ourselves. They judge us from a standpoint that we will never understand. Their ways are much higher than our ways. 
    Raymond Franz, I would say it is not our place to judge him.
    However I do think it is the place of JW's to judge the GB or GB decisions, because the GB run the JW Organisation. And i do think it is the right of JW's to judge the way the organisation is being run and the 'rules' it is run by. 
    Therefore I think there should be more clarity, more openness, in the JW Org. So that members can make a fair judgement of whether they want to be part of such an organisation. 
    I do think that in the first century, the running of the Christian 'organisation' was much simpler and more open.  
    Acts 15 v 28 & 29
    For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”
    Those people hearing those word would have fully understood what they meant. It seems to be all that was needed at that time. 
    So when some on here try to compare those days to now, in my opinion it is not possible to make a real comparison. 
    Ex-JW's that have known and still remember problems from within the JW Org should of course whenever possible warn others of any dangers of being part of the JW Org. A good person would not want to send anyone into a cage of lions, even if those lions were purring like pleasant pussy cats. 
    JW's still in the JW Org should also, and probably even more so, warn others of problems / dangers within the JW Org, but it is a danger for them to do so. 
    I think that the more the JW Organisation pushes about Satan ruling the world, and that everyone outside the Org is part of the devil's world, then the more those that have information should push to show Satan's influence inside the JW Org. It's called balance, and honesty.
    The Watchtower and the CCJW are not God. The GB are not God. The Elders are not God nor Jesus Christ.
    So do not let anyone replace God or Jesus Christ with humans of any kind or status. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    You made important point. If someone can not defeat your arguments or evidences then they questioning your motives. So pathetic!!! 
    "Yes, it can be how this what he said was happened, but WHY HE said this? ... because HIS MOTIVES are bad". 
    And WHO are you? to judge my motives ! :)))  
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    @JW Insider Thank you, I could not link to this so this is a great help, and those last few comments I would not want to have missed. 
    @FelixCA you mentioned," With responsible people in the lead."
    So not the GB then  
    Quote " Therefore, can you give me verification the Watchtower GB is NOT God’s coordinated helpers on earth as God's will is in heaven? " 
    By their works you will know them.  Evidence proves the GB are not God's true servants. 
      
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    Those seeking truth, not position or just friendship. People like myself, but better than me, that don't mind being shunned for truth. 
    And it seems there are people on here looking for truth rather than looking for the easy way. 
    The JW Org is the easy way now because there are so many JW's that a person can live their whole life in the Org. 
    That is why so many are frightened of the Elders, and frightened to look for truth, because being in the Org has become a comfortable way of life in the Western world. To lose the Org for some people would be the worst thing that could ever happen to them. 
    Hence many chose the GB and JW Org, over God and Jesus Christ. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    You appear to be placing the GB on the same level as Jesus Christ, which I agree that they have accomplished this.  Jesus altered the Jewish teaching because its leaders spoke as their "father", Satan.  
      Is anyone allowed to alter Jesus' teachings?  
     
    Can you give me scriptural verification that the GB is God's coordinated earthly rule?
    The Watchtower has corrupted the decrees of God – His Word. God’s “laws” are the source of life which Jesus brought us as, “The Word”. John 1:1 His teachings incorporate every decree God expects us to follow. The WT leaders “judge” and “measure” according to the decrees of men.
      The “Pharisaical” leaders of the WT cannot interpret the decrees of God since they have come as false “christs”, lording it over anointed and all in the organization. Matt 24:24  They expect obedience to them and their decrees, and not to Jesus Christ and his Word, which comes from God.
    " Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The WORDS I speak to you I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN. The Father who lives in Me does His works." John 14:10
    “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands AND TEACHES PEOPLE TO DO SO, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 5:17-20
    "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."   Deut 4:2
    That's right.
     
     
     
     
               
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    I do agree.
     
    We all have free will, anyone can and accept the cleansing Word of Christ…unless we have already chosen and ultimately “sealed” our heart to follow another path.   Jesus knew Judas’ hardened, unbending heart condition,  before he was chosen among the twelve.  Scriptures reveal this fact.  John  13:18 (Ps 41:9); John 8:31
    None of the teachings by Christ absolved him of his sins.  John 12:4-6; 13:10,11
    His prophetic role is verified in the Hebrew scriptures.  Acts 1:16-20; (Ps 69:25; 109:8)
    Free will is expressed by our heart’s desire.  This man’s heart made the free choice to pursue evil before joining with Christ.
    While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.  John 17:12
     “The heart is deceitful above all things,
    And desperately wicked;
    Who can know it?
    10 I, the Lord, search the heart,
    I search (examine, investigate) the mind, (the most secret parts)
    Even to give every man according to his ways,
    According to the fruit of his doings."  Jer 17:9,10
    God knows the end of all things from the beginning, including the sway of our heart.  Isa 46:10
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    I have no problem at all with it.  I do not lay down new decrees for men to obey as the GB is known for, and admits to doing.  (Check with Anthony Morris about this)  This is "distorting the truth" - Christ's truth.
    Felix the Cat carried around a Magic Bag of Tricks.  I'll just say this; no further comment, Allen Smith. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    You appear to be placing the GB on the same level as Jesus Christ, which I agree that they have accomplished this.  Jesus altered the Jewish teaching because its leaders spoke as their "father", Satan.  
      Is anyone allowed to alter Jesus' teachings?  
     
    Can you give me scriptural verification that the GB is God's coordinated earthly rule?
    The Watchtower has corrupted the decrees of God – His Word. God’s “laws” are the source of life which Jesus brought us as, “The Word”. John 1:1 His teachings incorporate every decree God expects us to follow. The WT leaders “judge” and “measure” according to the decrees of men.
      The “Pharisaical” leaders of the WT cannot interpret the decrees of God since they have come as false “christs”, lording it over anointed and all in the organization. Matt 24:24  They expect obedience to them and their decrees, and not to Jesus Christ and his Word, which comes from God.
    " Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The WORDS I speak to you I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN. The Father who lives in Me does His works." John 14:10
    “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands AND TEACHES PEOPLE TO DO SO, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 5:17-20
    "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."   Deut 4:2
    That's right.
     
     
     
     
               
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    Are you saying you don’t know why Judas was handpicked?
     Simon Peter answered, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”
    70 Jesus replied to them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He was referring to Judas, Simon Iscariot’s son] one of the Twelve, because he was going to betray him.  John 6:68-71
     
    While they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
    22 Deeply distressed, each one began to say to him, “Surely not I, Lord?”
    23 He replied, “The one who dipped his hand with me in the bowl—he will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if he had not been born.”  Matt 26:21-24
     
    His role was instrumental in fulfilling prophesy, and God who reads the heart thoroughly, could see clearly that Judas had already chosen his path, which was destruction. Are you equating this to the GB, or Raymond Franz as being “handpicked by Jesus” to do good, or evil?
    We have full evidence that the disciples were inspired by Spirit. John 20:22;  Rom 8:5,9; 1 Cor 2:10  We don't have that evidence with the GB who must alter teachings continually.   We don't hear how the Spirit directs them, but that they are not "inspired"; so, instead, we hear how the GB put their heads together to come up with new decrees.  There is no comparison to the apostles.  Why make it?  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    You appear to be placing the GB on the same level as Jesus Christ, which I agree that they have accomplished this.  Jesus altered the Jewish teaching because its leaders spoke as their "father", Satan.  
      Is anyone allowed to alter Jesus' teachings?  
     
    Can you give me scriptural verification that the GB is God's coordinated earthly rule?
    The Watchtower has corrupted the decrees of God – His Word. God’s “laws” are the source of life which Jesus brought us as, “The Word”. John 1:1 His teachings incorporate every decree God expects us to follow. The WT leaders “judge” and “measure” according to the decrees of men.
      The “Pharisaical” leaders of the WT cannot interpret the decrees of God since they have come as false “christs”, lording it over anointed and all in the organization. Matt 24:24  They expect obedience to them and their decrees, and not to Jesus Christ and his Word, which comes from God.
    " Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The WORDS I speak to you I DO NOT SPEAK ON MY OWN. The Father who lives in Me does His works." John 14:10
    “Don’t assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until all things are accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commands AND TEACHES PEOPLE TO DO SO, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SURPASSES THAT OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 5:17-20
    "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."   Deut 4:2
    That's right.
     
     
     
     
               
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in Inspired Choices? Jesus Picked Judas; Governing Body Picked Raymond Franz;   
    I have no problem at all with it.  I do not lay down new decrees for men to obey as the GB is known for, and admits to doing.  (Check with Anthony Morris about this)  This is "distorting the truth" - Christ's truth.
    Felix the Cat carried around a Magic Bag of Tricks.  I'll just say this; no further comment, Allen Smith. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from FelixCA in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    Are you saying you don’t know why Judas was handpicked?
     Simon Peter answered, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”
    70 Jesus replied to them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He was referring to Judas, Simon Iscariot’s son] one of the Twelve, because he was going to betray him.  John 6:68-71
     
    While they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
    22 Deeply distressed, each one began to say to him, “Surely not I, Lord?”
    23 He replied, “The one who dipped his hand with me in the bowl—he will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if he had not been born.”  Matt 26:21-24
     
    His role was instrumental in fulfilling prophesy, and God who reads the heart thoroughly, could see clearly that Judas had already chosen his path, which was destruction. Are you equating this to the GB, or Raymond Franz as being “handpicked by Jesus” to do good, or evil?
    We have full evidence that the disciples were inspired by Spirit. John 20:22;  Rom 8:5,9; 1 Cor 2:10  We don't have that evidence with the GB who must alter teachings continually.   We don't hear how the Spirit directs them, but that they are not "inspired"; so, instead, we hear how the GB put their heads together to come up with new decrees.  There is no comparison to the apostles.  Why make it?  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    Are you saying you don’t know why Judas was handpicked?
     Simon Peter answered, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”
    70 Jesus replied to them, “Didn’t I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He was referring to Judas, Simon Iscariot’s son] one of the Twelve, because he was going to betray him.  John 6:68-71
     
    While they were eating, he said, “Truly I tell you, one of you will betray me.”
    22 Deeply distressed, each one began to say to him, “Surely not I, Lord?”
    23 He replied, “The one who dipped his hand with me in the bowl—he will betray me. 24 The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if he had not been born.”  Matt 26:21-24
     
    His role was instrumental in fulfilling prophesy, and God who reads the heart thoroughly, could see clearly that Judas had already chosen his path, which was destruction. Are you equating this to the GB, or Raymond Franz as being “handpicked by Jesus” to do good, or evil?
    We have full evidence that the disciples were inspired by Spirit. John 20:22;  Rom 8:5,9; 1 Cor 2:10  We don't have that evidence with the GB who must alter teachings continually.   We don't hear how the Spirit directs them, but that they are not "inspired"; so, instead, we hear how the GB put their heads together to come up with new decrees.  There is no comparison to the apostles.  Why make it?  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Foreigner in UN Compact 2018   
    Yes, there have been other entities that define a “man of lawlessness”.  Daniel was told that the interpretation of Revelation was to be "sealed up" until the time of the end. Dan 8:26 The Man of Lawlessness of Rev 13 would not refer to those past identities but to that identity that overpowers God's people in the last days as the "fourth beast" they must face.  Dan 7:7
    Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”
    You are interpreting the Man of Lawlessness differently than your own teachers, yet you are also condemning me for my use of scriptures that prove what Temple, God has in mind. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22   I care not what the religions of the world interpret the Man of Lawlessness as; it has to do with God’s anointed “Jews”/spiritual “Israel” – New Jerusalem/Holy City. 
    Satan comes against them, “the woman”, those under covenant. Gal 4:26  Do you believe all anointed are already “wise virgins” by allowing others to rule over them?  This is what the Beast of Rev 13:1 succeeds in doing; either they are "measured" as acceptable in the Kingdom, or they are found "worshiping"/revering a "powerful delusion" - the Beast.  Rev 13:4   Satan uses a “Gentile” army to reign/rule/tread God's Temple/Holy City.  Rev 12:7; 9:3-6
    It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.   Rev 13:7
    How do you overcome someone?  By threatening expulsion from the life they know – disfellowshipping them for refusing to OBEY.  Marking them as spiritually “dead”. Rev 13:15 The “war” is fought when an anointed one refuses to bare their back as someone’s slave. Isa 51:23 They are to be under one Master, Jesus Christ.  John 15:20
    Who helps this army/ “Man of Lawless” "trample" the anointed ones?   A false prophet also directed by Satan. Rev 13:11,12; Matt 24:48
    I speak for a nation, not for myself. I speak for the name of YHVH, not for the name of an organization.   The nation of God has become slaves under the rule of others.    Only a remnant will wake up to this fact.  They have fallen into idolatry to a blasphemous “spirit-directed image”. 
    And he (false prophet Rev 13:11) deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.  Rev 13:15-17
    Has the United Nations been given “divine” authority by a false prophet?  Does the world believe it is blessed by God – those nations who are its members?  Do they obey a false prophet who “guides” the United Nations? Rev 13:11,12  No, but the Watchtower organization and its members believe the organization belongs to “Jehovah”, as a “spirit-directed (“give breath”) organization”. 
     
    A JW doesn’t have to look far to see how the anointed have been conquered and “trampled” by the Man of Lawlessness- a modern-day Korah.  They are also, under the same blasphemous rule.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in UN Compact 2018   
    You are equating independence from a Wicked Slave as Independence from God?
    You may want to read Watchtower's own blasphemous words about skirting around the judgment THEY will receive - the same judgment that came upon Korah.  WT is condoning the exact desire that Korah had - to possess the priesthood by replacing it with men not anointed.  This is the "disgusting thing" that has "set itself up in God's Temple".  Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4   It gives you the article that you can refer to.    I have hold over no one.  The GB has hold over 8 million people, one of them is you.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in UN Compact 2018   
    I’ve read the Watchtower quotes from the articles I linked, and their identities of Revelation’s Beasts.  Have you?  I hope you don’t blindly reject them without researching.   It appears that Watchtower’s confusion in teachings makes more sense than God’s Word which identifies the authentic “kings of the earth” and God’s Temple.   I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, but bringing scripture to the fore. You brought up the Eighth King, I commented on its identity.    
    I have no “superior” understanding of Agenda 21 and UN Compact 2018.  Whatever Satan contrives in his realm is a counterfeit fulfillment that God’s anointed people are already suffering under!  The elder body/Man of Lawlessness/Beast from the “Sea”. 
    Satan uses all sorts of deceit to hide his true work at hand.  This includes his actions inside and outside of the organization to cover over what he’s already doing to God’s anointed ones.  2 Cor 11:13-15
    “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders”  2 Thess 2:9
    The Kingdom isn’t born from activities in Satan’s world, but from the mindset of His people and our full devotion to Him, not not to men who cannot get their story straight. 
     False prophets were among God’s people in the past, as false teachers will be among you. They will secretly bring in their own destructive teachings. They will deny the Lord, who has bought them, and they will bring themselves swift destruction. 2 Many people will follow them in their sexual freedom (spiritually immoral) and will cause others to dishonor the way of truth. 3 In their greed they will use good-sounding arguments to exploit you. The verdict against them from long ago is still in force, and their destruction is not asleep.  2 Pet 2:1-3
    2 Thess 2:9-12 -   He (Satan) will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11 That’s why God will send them (allow Satan to do so)  a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned.”
    These scriptures explain how the transgression comes upon the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:1-4  Lying wonders have convinced JWs that although a ruling entity looms over them; it appears benign and in harmony with God’s will.  MEN appointed elders to rule God’s anointed priesthood/Temple, but to God it must not happen. Numbers 3:10; Dan 8:11; Ezek 44:6-9
    Which WT lie do you choose to believe, concerning the identities of the Beasts of Revelation?  Which holds more power over you, God's Word or the confusing words of men?  Isa 2:22
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER'S SHAMELESS FACADE CALLED TRUTH   
    A comment was made by Pearl Doxsey on the opening topic when I posted it on facebook:


    Although these verses do not specifically mention making investments in the very things you condemn among your followers; they do make clear that a servant of Christ does not mix their calling, with money or other gain. They do not exchange spiritual provisions, for money. Preaching doe
    2Tim.2:3-4 reads; "3 Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs, but rather tries to please his commanding officer."
    Jesus said; "16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” (John2)

    Paul said; "17 Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God." (2Cor2)
    s not require, material riches. The only purpose mentioned, for the money sack that the disciples of Jesus had, was to give to the poor.

    The zeal of Jesus for his Father's house, made him express with outrage, his offense that commercialism should have anything to do with worship. Paul made clear that when Jesus said; "You received free; give free" (Matt10:8), that those whom you feed spiritually, should not be obliged to give money (or anything else) to you. That is what we see in Rev.13:17... that the Wild Beasts set up a monopoly of spiritual provisions. The WT is guilty of violating all these verses.
     
     Obedience, service, and worship, are also "goods" that should belong to God, but at times, men also covet them in exchange for spiritual food. 

    The WT stated; ""we may be asked to do something by Jehovahs' organization, and we must be ready to obey even if it does not seem reasonable from a human standpoint or not".

    Why would such blind obedience be necessary, if the scriptures really directed a course of action, among those supposedly dedicated to God? If the scriptures are Not behind a directive... then no man has a right to expect, conformance! Rom.6:16 makes clear, that whoever we obey, we are their slave. 1Cor7:23; Luke4:8 and Gal1:10 make clear, that we must only obey and serve God and Christ. Whatever we do, must be directed, by them. In loyalty to God and in exclusive devotion; genuine Christians, are guided only by scripture... not by an unreasonable demand by human beings.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in GB MEMBER KENNETH COOK, JR. AND THE WATCHTOWER HOUSE   
    The Watchtower House is struggling to maintain its self-appointed reputation as a “spiritual paradise”.  It is facing a financial crisis of large proportions partly due to exposure of its past hidden pedophile issues, which may be contributing to necessary downsizing world-wide.  Corruption of values at Bethel is finally becoming fully exposed; not only by those who have left Bethel but it is clearly evident by the governing body’s attempt to address pertinent issues via their broadcasting center. 
    They have released a new video, and it is the first to be presented by its most recent member, Kenneth Cook, Jr.  In a soft-spoken manner, he broached the delicate topic of being honest when applying for Bethel/construction work, expressing also the need for physical, moral and spiritual cleanliness.
    He says,
    “Before submitting an application or expanded theocratic service, it’s important to consider prayerfully how you’ll respond to the questions on the application.
    HEBREWS 13:18 SAYS, WE WISH TO CONDUCT OURSELVES HONESTLY IN ALL THINGS.
    So you should be honest in answering the questions on the application, especially those that have to do with your physical health and spiritual health.“
    Dare I go into the organization’s dishonest acts against Christ’s sheep, of misleading them with consistent lies?  Their acts of plagiarism, double-speak, failed prophesies, reasons for disfellowshipping and “trampling” the Temple of God promoted by a Wicked Slave, all speak candidly of the Watchtower’s little practice in regard to honesty in all things.  Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1,2;2 Thess 2:3,4; Matt 24:48-51   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51&version=CSB
    Please notice this one example from a book that has been widely used by JWs to lead “Bible studies” into the organization and what is fondly called, “the truth”.  This concerns one’s dedication at baptism:
    “Going beneath the water symbolizes that you have died to your former life course. Being raised up out of the water indicates that you are now alive to do the will of God. Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, NOT TO A WORK, A CAUSE, OTHER HUMANS, OR AN ORGANIZATION. Your dedication and baptism are the beginning of a very close friendship with God—an intimate relationship with him.”  (What Does the Bible Really Teach? p. 184)
     
    On the day of baptism, what question must the newly indoctrinated ones “answer in the affirmative”?
    "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses IN ASSOCIATION WITH God's spirit-directed ORGANIZATION?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30
    At that point, the prospective candidates are fully trapped before an audience of possibly thousands. Col 2:8; Rev 13:10  Will they remember what they read in their study book and rethink their upcoming baptism, or will they be caught in the moment of emotional elation, eager to fulfill a vow and join “Jehovah’s organization”?
    If one was to answer “no” to this second baptism question, the organization would disqualify the individual from becoming “an ordained minister of Jehovah”. This, in spite of what they learned during cozy Bible studies conducted in their own home, by usually “two witnesses” who were to impart scriptural truth.  Amos 3:5; (Matt 18:16)  (wt 17 April p. 4-8, par.11)   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Col+2%3A8%3B+Rev+13%3A10%3B+Amos+3%3A5%3B+Matt+18%3A16+++&version=CSB
     
    In the Watchtower, one’s “intimate relationship with God” is fully dependent on  “work” toward the “cause” outlined by false teachers, which is to bolster an organization.  How twisted it all becomes, very early in the life of a JW. 
    Working toward a human cause is the underlying theme of Mr. Cook’s video:
    “Submitting your application may open a door of opportunity to serve Jehovah and his organization in a variety of ways.  Of course, there’s a place or everyone in Jehovah’s service.  Whether we’re working hard as a congregation publisher, a regular pioneer, a Bethelite, or on a theocratic construction project we have the satisfaction of knowing that Jehovah treasures all that we’re doing because of our heartfelt love for him.  Heb 6:10 says, ‘God is not unrighteous so as to forget your work and the love you showed for his name by ministering and continuing to minister to the holy ones.’”
    His use of this scripture is his attempt to imply JWs are slaving for God; which is in error.  Instead, it is the governing body and its Wild Beast stinging locust-scorpion army.    Rev. 13:1,2,5-7,9:1-4;13:11,12,14-17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.+13%3A1%2C2%2C5-7%2C9%3A1-4%3B13%3A11%2C12%2C14-17&version=CSB
     
    Hopefully, this post will help you understand that God does not treasure any effort done on behalf of “Jehovah’s organization”.  What caught my attention was Mr. Cook’s use of Ps 127:1
    He said, “regardless of where we are serving, we need Jehovah’s blessing to be successful.”
    A Song of Ascents. Of Solomon.
    “Unless the Lord builds a house,
    its builders labor over it in vain;
    unless the Lord watches over a city,
    the watchman stays alert in vain.”  (CSB)
    From an earlier post, I had said -
     Solomon proclaimed that the temple he would build for God, would be “a great spiritual temple”; and it was for a fact, a magnificent physical achievement.  He exclaimed, “And the temple which I build will be great, for our God is greater than all gods.  But who is able to build Him a temple, since heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain Him? Who am I then, that I should build Him a temple, except to burn sacrifice before Him?” 2 Chron 2:5,6 (9); 2 Chron 6:2  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+2%3A9%3B+6%3A2&version=NKJV
    Still, “the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord’s house”, even though God’s words to David reveal to us a greater temple that was to come – the anointed Body of Christ.  2 Chron 7:1,2,12; 5:13; John 2:19-22; 1 Chron 14:11; 1 Chron 17:9-14
    Something greater than Solomon is here, and it isn’t the Watchtower leaders and their earthly organization.  Matt 12:42
    “HE – Jesus Christ -  shall build Me a HOUSE, and I will establish his throne forever.” 1 Chron 17:12 
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chron+7%3A1%2C2%2C12%3B+5%3A13%3B+John+2%3A19-22%3B+1+Chron+14%3A11%3B+1+Chron+17%3A9-14%3BMatt+12%3A42&version=NKJV
     
    Consider the quote from Watchtower’s “Insight” Book, pp. 513,514: 
    “Peter quoted and applied to Jesus Christ this prophecy (Isa 28:16) regarding the “foundation cornerstone” on which individual ANOINTED Christians are built up as “living stones,” TO BECOME A SPIRITUAL HOUSE OR TEMPLE . (1Pe 2:4-6) 
    Dear JWs, are you able to discern that the House you are working for doesn’t belong to God? Can you perceive that your laboring for the Watchtower is in vain?  Which “House” do you believe God expects us to support and will give His blessing upon?  Warwick’s Bethel which the organization still attempts to hoist onto a pedestal? Rev 13:1,4  Or, is it God’s Temple House in the anointed ones and reflected in the deeper meaning behind Ps 127?   1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+13%3A1%2C4%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B+2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Eph+2%3A20-22++&version=CSB
    Further in Ps 127:
    “In vain you get up early and stay up late,
    working hard to have enough food—
    yes, he gives such things to his loved ones while they sleep.”
    Back to Heb 6, and verses 7,8:
    “For the ground that drinks the rain that often falls on it and that produces vegetation useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it produces THORNS AND THISTLES, it is worthless and about to be cursed, and at the end will be burned.”
    Watchtower’s Bethel is not sanctioned by God as His dwelling.  Acts 17:24  No matter how much effort an individual labors for the Beast/organization, they will awaken each day, still spiritually hungry.  Amos 8:11  A false priesthood is incapable of producing the same life-giving “bread” as God’s House built on Christ’s true anointed priests. John 6:35; 1 Cor 10:17; Rom 12:1,5; 1 Pet 2:5,9 Yet, in the Watchtower House a “disgusting thing” - “thorns and thistles”- stands and rules over, the true spiritual House/Temple of God. Ezek 2:6,7; Hos 10:8; Rev 11:1,2 
     The spiritual food they present you, and approved by a Wicked Slave/Harlot/FALSE PROPHET is “worthless”.  Matt 7:15-20;13:7; Rev 9:5    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A24%3B+Amos+8%3A11%3B+John+6%3A35%3B+1+Cor+10%3A17%3B+Rom+12%3A1%2C5%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B++Ezek+2%3A6%2C7%3B+Hos+10%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A1%2C2%3B+Matt+7%3A15-20%3B13%3A7%3B+Rev+9%3A5+&version=NKJV
    From Pearl Doxsey’s article, “Where is Bethel?"
    Where would the location of God's Temple be, in our physical realm? 
    Christ is the cornerstone of that Temple, and the living stones added upon the foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph.2:20-22), are those whom God chooses...
    the humble, dejected by the world, and God-fearing. His spirit comes to dwell within them (1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16,9; 6:19; Heb.3:6;Luke 17:21; 1Cor.2:9-12).  So, God's "Bethel" is not physical at all, but spiritual (Heb.3:6). His true worshipers worship IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH (John 4:23-24; Ps.51:17-18)... not in million dollar construction projects, or a billion dollar corporation (John 18:36).”  
    The “restored” true spiritual House of God is free of such captivity to stinging lies, sin and the ruling power of men.   God’s “living stones” submit to the necessary cleansing to become acceptable vessels, carrying Christ’s words of truth, “to the ends of the earth”.  Mal 3:1-3; Acts 1:8; Rev 11:4; Zech 4:9,11,12,14; 11:3      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+3%3A1-3%3B+Acts+1%3A8%3B+Rev+11%3A4%3B+Zech+4%3A9%2C11%2C12%2C14%3B+11%3A3 + &version=NKJV
    They are the arrows in the quiver held by Christ during the final battle of truth against lies. 
    Ps 127 continues:
    3 Sons are indeed a heritage from the Lord,
    offspring, a reward.
    4 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior
    are the sons born in one’s youth.
    5 Happy is the man who has filled his quiver with them.
    They will never be put to shame
    when they speak with their enemies at the city gate.  Ps 127:3-5
    From Pearl Doxsey’s “The Table” -  
    Jesus "treading down" the "grapes", is when he wars against those false teachings and all who teach them. (Isa.63:2,3; Rev.19:11,14-16). At first, he must do this alone (Isa.50:2; 63:3; Rom.3:10; Rev.3:2), because all anointed in the time of the end have been mislead into worshiping the Wild Beast (Isa.59:4,9-21; Rev.12:9; 13:7,9).
    These must be released from Satan's lies (Rev.12:15; 9:14; John8:44) before they can ride forth for truth. 
    The restoration of pure worship and God’s House is the result of Satan’s creative trap and delusion; which is Watchtower’s working Beast – a spirit-breathed “mechanical” beast of symbolic scorpion-locusts, used for leading anointed and companions to their ruin; not for imparting life.  2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 13:1,15    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A9-12%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C15&version=CSB
    In a favorite article of mine, Pearl writes:
    Is the "restoration" the healing of the rift between God and "Jacob"? (Luke1:16,17; Mal.4:6)  
    Note Isa.49:6:
    "he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth."
    When we view the context of Isa.49:6; the connection to the two scriptures (you) cite, becomes apparent... (those two scriptures are Isa 2:1-5 and Rev 22:1-5:  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+2%3A1-5%3B+Rev+22%3A1-5&version=CSB  )
    See Isa.49:8,9,12:
    8 This is what the Lord says:
    “In the time of my favor I will answer you,
        and in the day of salvation I will help you;
    I will keep you and will make you
        to be a covenant for the people,
    to RESTORE the land
        and to reassign its desolate inheritances,
    9 TO SAY TO THE CAPTIVES, ‘Come out,’
       AND TO THOSE IN DARKNESS, ‘BE FREE!’
    12 See, they will come from afar—
        some from the north, some from the west (Isa.2:2 E [“all nations will stream to it”])
    "A LIGHT to the Gentiles" (Isa.49:6; 42:6)   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A6%3B+42%3A6&version=CSB
    "...to those in DARKNESS, 'Be free!'" (Isa.49:9; 60:2)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa.49%3A9%3B+60%3A2&version=CSB
     
     
    "The Rise of Mount Zion"
    "Elijah Turns Hearts"
    4womaninthewilderness
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER'S SHAMELESS FACADE CALLED TRUTH   
    We can do that.   
    We’ve had the full Bible for over 2,000 years.  The words of Christ are not new and have spread worldwide; and we don’t know what the anointed over that time period, accomplished.  We have the guarantee that the Father searches and “weighs” each heart; and would not abandon anyone who desires to serve only Him and His Son – “fully committed” to following His decrees in Christ.    Prov 21:2; 2 Chron 16:9
    Although, judgment begins with God’s House – His people under covenant.  When we see the sins of His people come to light, then we know the end is near.  1 Pet 4:17
    I encourage you to keep seeking out the anointed and the "fruit" they offer (John 13:20; Matt 7:18-20),  remembering that the coming Kingdom of God “does not come with observation”  Luke 17:20,21, but as a “thief in the night”, when God’s people (since judgment begins with His house , Eph 2:20-22) will be saying, “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:1-3
    Spiritual “peace and security” is offered by “Jehovah’s organization”, where the sins of God’s people are now being brought to light.  Rev 18:4-8
    love in Christ,
    peely
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER'S SHAMELESS FACADE CALLED TRUTH   
    OK, John.  This is long, but I hope you give it a try.  
    It was hard for me once leaving the Watchtower; thinking I had to “go” somewhere, because the Watchtower has ingrained this concept into their members.
    Here’s are  examples:
    w06 2/15 pp. 26-30   If I find myself in a situation where changes seem hard to accept, I reflect on Peter’s words to Jesus: ‘Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.’ Then I ask myself, ‘Where shall I go away to—out there into the darkness of the world?’ This helps me to hold firmly to God’s organization.”—John 6:68.
    w88 3/15 pp. 15-20    Furthermore, suppose a person was to separate himself from Jehovah’s people. Where could he go? Is he not faced with the same issue that confronted Jesus’ apostles when he asked them if they also wanted to leave him? The apostle Peter rightly replied: “Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life.” (John 6:68) There is nowhere else to go but to “Babylon the Great,” the world empire of false religion, or into the clutches of Satan’s political “wild beast.” (Revelation 13:1; 18:1-5) Largely, disloyal ones who have left Jehovah’s visible organization have made common cause with those in God-dishonoring “Babylon the Great.”
     Simon Peter answered, “Lord, to whom will we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and know that you are the Holy One of God.”  John 6:68,69
    Can you see how Christ’s words have been twisted by the WT, making people believe that an organization is the way of salvation, simply because they “preach” Christ?  We both know that the organization cannot provide salvation.
    There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12
    The Watchtower, on rare occasions, has supported this scripture by saying:
    Watchtower 1990 11/1 p. 26 Our Relative Subjection to the Superior Authorities
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." 
    And then, hypocritically turn around to say:
    Kingdom Ministry 11/1990 p. 1  Directing Bible Students to Jehovah’s Organization 
    "Bible students need to get acquainted with the organization of the “one flock” Jesus spoke about at John 10:16. They must appreciate that identifying themselves with Jehovah’s organization is essential to their salvation. (Rev. 7:9, 10, 15) Therefore, we should start directing our Bible students to the organization as soon as a Bible study is established."  
    It seems pretty clear to me that I cannot give my allegiance to men’s “organized” way of doing things.  I must rely completely on my faith in Christ and the Father. 
    The man who finally succumbed to the ideals of “organization” first stated:
    Beware of "organization." It is wholly unnecessary. The Bible rules will be the only rules you will need. Do not seek to bind others' consciences, and do not permit others to bind yours. Believe and obey so far as you can understand God's Word today, and so continue growing in grace and knowledge and love day by day."   CT Russell Watchtower1895/9/15
    In the Watchtower men have become “kings”, ruling over others. (1 Sam 8:6) However, we have our King, Jesus Christ.  As I have said, “leaders” within Christ’s anointed Body, guide people to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords with words spoken in truth, but they do not reign them in through the stipulations driving an organization.   Once earthly organization is introduced, a hierarchy of power is born, which is derived from the realm of Satan. (1 Sam 8:10-18)
    God said,
    Seek the Lord while he may be found;
    call to him while he is near.
    7 Let the wicked one abandon his way
    and the sinful one his thoughts;
    let him return to the Lord,
    so he may have compassion on him,
    and to our God, for he will freely forgive.
    8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    and your ways are not my ways.”
    This is the Lord’s declaration.
    9 “For as heaven is higher than earth,
    so my ways are higher than your ways,
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.  Isa 55:6-9
    Did He say seek an organization?  Are man’s ideals the same as God’s ideals?
    We are to take in “new wine” that Jesus has offered us; new understanding about the new Temple of God built on the anointed ones.  He also said that this new way of worship will be rejected.
     And no one, after drinking old wine, wants new, because he says, ‘The old is better.’”  Luke 5:39
     The anointed are to be organized according to God’s way; yet, at this time period of the end, an “organization” has shattered the Temple, “trampled” God’s anointed House by men who “bind others’ consciences”.  This is the sign of the presence of the Man of Lawlessness.  2 Thess 2:3,4
    Okay, so why are the “Jews” that “ten” men seek out, so hard to find?  Because as I see you doing, you are looking for them to “organize” in the same pattern of the one you left. 
    Restored spiritual “Israel” is “built” with God’s Spirit.  They will be the “capstone”, completing God’s Temple.  Zech 4:8-14; Rev 11:1-3; Matt 18:20  The anointed are gathering, but as small as they are (Amos 7:2); those believers that join them are becoming many. Ezek 36:6-11  They are spiritually “organized” according to the direction of Holy Spirit.  They are a spiritual "congregation", known completely by the Father and Jesus.    They make God’s “name” known; not as an organization that says it makes the name of God known, yet extols the work of man’s hands which the Watchtower has done, and then compare it to God.  Ps 50:16-23; (Isa 46)  Michael, who stands up for his people, proclaims the meaning of his name; “Who is like God?” (Joel 2:32)  The Watchtower and the majority of its members claim, “who or what is like Jehovah’s organization”? 
    All the people of the world were amazed and followed the beast. 4 They worshiped the serpent because it had given authority to the beast. They also worshiped the beast and said, “Who is like the beast? Who can fight a war with it?” Rev 13:3b,4
    The “two witnesses of Christ”/”wise virgins” side with him in this battle of truth against lies.  They do not need an organization as we know it, to do so.  Rev 12:7; 1 Cor 2:10   
    In the first century every apostle was directed by Holy Spirit, not by a “governing body” in Jerusalem.  They may have taken care of a problem together on circumcision, but this doesn’t mean they were organized according to men.  Paul traveled everywhere that the spirit directed him.  Who sent Philip to the Ethiopian eunuch?  A GB?  It was Holy Spirit.  We have never read in the scriptures that the apostles and believers upheld and extolled an “organization” in Jerusalem.  Yet, Paul distinctly taught the anointed ones how they were part of God’s Temple/House. Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 12. He concentrated on bringing this Body together, for them to learn who they were, and how they would serve God in the Kingdom.    If you will consider it, there is a good article on this:  http://holyspiritorgoverningbody-obadiah.blogspot.com/
    During the time that the last Man of Lawless is revealed, what happens?
    Don’t you remember that when I was still with you I used to tell you about this? 6 And you know what currently restrains him, so that he will be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way, 8 and then the lawless one will be revealed. The Lord Jesus will destroy him with the breath of his mouth and will bring him to nothing at the appearance of his coming. 2 Thess 2:5-8
    Through Holy Spirit, the “two witnesses”/anointed ones “prophesy” and reveal the Man of Lawlessness.   (Rev 4:11,14; Rev 11:1-3)  Their “words”, coming from Christ, judge and condemn.
    The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders,10 and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.  2 Thess 2:9-12
    Do you really believe there is time to “organize” according to men’s direction, another earthly house of worship? John 4:23,24  It wouldn’t be successful.   This is why Jesus said,  “Believe me. A time is coming when you Samaritans won’t be worshiping the Father on this mountain or in the (literal city of) Jerusalem. “  John 4:21
    (I find it interesting that the name “Samaria” means “watch tower”!)
    I feel you may be “kicking against the goads”.  Rely totally on the Father and Christ to lead you to truth.  Check out the links I have given you.  Understand that we are living close to the end.  Armageddon is fought, not in Satan’s earthly realm, but on the “low plain” or valley of decision”, revealing the intentions of the heart’s desires.  Joel 3:14-16; Matt 13:24-30 We either struggle to find and follow Christ and his truths, or rely on men’s twisted interpretation of scripture through organizational means.    Both come to us in totally different ways. 
     
    The plans of the heart belong to humans,
        but an answer on the tongue comes from the Lord.
    2 A person thinks all his ways are pure,
        but the Lord weighs motives.
    3 Entrust your efforts to the Lord,
        and your plans will succeed..  Prov 16:1-3
     
    The end time preaching work is extraordinary; not at all as the Watchtower teaches.  Jesus said this preaching work would be to “Israel” – the anointed ones/Temple. Matt 10:23; Rev 11:1-3  They are the “kings of the earth”, God’s people now gathered in the Watchtower organization.  Rev 1:5; 19:19;21:24 (Rev 5:9,10)  They, along with all inside, are told to “come out of her” and leave her sins behind.  Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in WATCHTOWER'S SHAMELESS FACADE CALLED TRUTH   
    Dear JWs,
    Can an earthly organization, with its extended assets in buildings, monetary investments and its pitfalls;  its legal branch, “governmental” branch, production branch, and all branches throughout the world, be the source of salvation for mankind?  Acts 4:12; 17:24,25   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4%3A12%3B+17%3A24%2C25&version=NIV
    Would our true source of spiritual salvation have any partnership in worldly interests?  Matt 4:8-10; 6:19-21; Col 3:2,5   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+4%3A8-10%3B+6%3A19-21%3B+Col+3%3A2%2C5&version=NIV
    Can Jesus’ pure teachings remain untainted under the influence of an institutional structure formulated by men? 1 Tim 4:16; 2 Tim 4:3; 2 Pet 2:1-3   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+4%3A16%3B+2+Tim+4%3A3%3B+2+Pet+2%3A1-3&version=NIV
    Where does wickedness thrive?  1 John 5:19; Matt 24:10-12; 2 Thess 2:9-12  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A19%3B+Matt+24%3A10-12%3B+2+Thess+2%3A9-12&version=NIV
    JWs, why do you believe God would bless an entity identical to other organizations in the world?  Rom 12:2; 1 Cor 1:20   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+12%3A2%3B+1+Cor+1%3A20&version=NIV
    ORGANIZATION:  “an administrative and functional structure (such as a business or a political party)
    the personnel of such a structure
    characterized by COMPLETE CONFORMITY TO THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS OF AN ORGANIZATION”
     Aren’t Christ’s standards and teachings enough, without polluting them with men’s desire to “organize”, twist and corrupt, what God has made pure?  James 3:15,16; Phil 3:19  No organization in this world can be considered pure and unblemished, since Satan dabbles in all aspects of this world.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+3%3A15%2C16%3B+Phil+3%3A19++&version=NIV
    The light of Christ and his teachings cannot, and do not abide with the darkness of the world.  John 8:12; James 1:27   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A12%3B+James+1%3A27&version=NIV
    By allowing an organization to motivate you and rule over you with its “organizational” standards, you allow Satan to corrupt the pure Word of God with the teachings of men, who are thieves and wolves in sheep’s clothing. Matt 7:15; John 10:9,10   You no longer believe solely in the Word of God, but a crooked version that robs you of truth, and of the glory of Christ.   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A15%3B+John+10%3A9%2C10+++&version=NIV
    “The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” 2 Cor 4:4
    Please, do not think that the “preaching work” is a sign of success; that somehow God has transgressed His own decrees of purity and blessed the Watchtower, who’s doctrines change continually to cover over previous lies.   An earthly organization formulated by men can never match the requirements of purity set by God.  It can never be considered “Zion” as you are taught. To apply salvation to something created by man, is idolatry. Rom 1:25  But, there are people that God has chosen, who by submitting their hearts to be refined by Christ and his teachings, can reach that purity. 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Mal 3:2,3; Rev 3:18 They are part of the true heavenly Zion, and God is preparing them to teach and serve all His children, in the Kingdom to come.  Rom 8:19-21    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+1%3A25%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+Mal+3%3A2%2C3%3B+Rev+3%3A18+&version=NIV
    Phil 2:14-16; 1:9-11; 2 Cor 11:2; Heb 12:22; Rev 14:1; 21:2; 14:5    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Phil+2%3A14-16%3B+1%3A9-11%3B+2+Cor+11%3A2%3B+Heb+12%3A22%3B+Rev+14%3A1%3B+21%3A2%3B+14%3A5&version=NIV
    Jesus tells us how God expects us to worship Him.
    John 4:1-54
    You can listen here:  https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/John.4
    Pearl Dosxey "The Sign of the End"  4 womaninthewilderness . blogspot

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