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    Witness got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Kosonen, you said, “Similarly when today's holy place, the JW complex at Warwick, will be desacrated by political simbols by the authorities, that will be the sign to start fleeing literaly as did the jewish christians to safety. Because that will be the begining of the persecution that will last till the end.”
     I just want to mention again that your interpretation of Revelation and Matt 24 is no different than Watchtower’s worldly view of looking at politics for fulfillment, but with possibly different players.   
    If we are to be “no part of the world”, our attention would not be on the world at the time of Jesus’ return. We would be looking into ourselves.   We would be desiring to gather as a Body once leaving a wicked slave’s rule, up-building and helping them be successful at defeating Satan’s deception.  I can’t take in your worldly views when it is very clear that the “holy place” is not Warwick, but is the Temple of God. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22   I believe I’ve given you many scriptures to verify this, but I have not really seen scriptures to support your ideas.
    Please, try to comprehend the words:
    “ Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; 21 nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:20,21
    Observation!  You believe the world will observe Warwick being plastered with political symbols! 
    “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, (Man of Lawlessness) which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
    4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.  1 John 4:1-6
    Pearl Doxsey – “First the wall – then the entire Temple” 4womaninthewilderness
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The Government Versus Jehovah's WItnesses   
    Perhaps the Russians are compiling a database of all the Jehovah's Witnesses internationally who wrote them 11 train boxcars LOADED with what is essentially firewood flakes ... and who got $56 MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH FROM THE BROTHERHOOD  to deliver all that mail from the Universal Postal Union as Terminal Duty of 70% of the face value of the postage affixed ....  to return all that free money.
    Ya think?
    They are probably still using all that paper in their stoves and furnaces for a second winter now, having been supplied by the Governing Body with abundant "fuel at the proper time".
    ... and that 56 Million Dollars would supply the Russkies with free Vodka for at least a decade.
    Now THAT'S being "spiritually prepared"!
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Jesus was a humble man, but by far he didn’t keep “peace at all costs”. Matt 10:34  He exposed the lies.  Anointed must follow in the  footsteps of Jesus, should they remain mute when the “house steward” expects them to obey their lies?  Luke 22:24-27  There is no “control” over others within the anointed Body, but each is to support the other equally; and they are fully expected by Christ, to obey him only as their head and support his truth.  1 Cor 12:21-26
    For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  Heb 4:12
    In other words, it segregates those who follow Christ's teachings completely, from those who expect the anointed and companions, to follow men and their organization.    
    “Control” over the anointed ones signifies the presence of a Wicked Slave.  Matt 24:48-51
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    I am always amazed at what agenda driven people get from a presentation of hard facts.
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    That is a sword that cuts BOTH ways .... talking the talk, and not walking the walk, as Watchtower Supervisor Richard Ashe testified under oath.
     

    JW.ORG on Child Abuse - Claims vs. Reality.mp4
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    You mean "some", like myself.
    The Pharisees and Sadducees came to test Jesus. So they asked him to show them a miraculous sign from heaven.
    2 He responded to them, “In the evening you say that the weather will be fine because the sky is red. 3 And in the morning you say that there will be a storm today because the sky is red and overcast. You can forecast the weather by judging the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
    4 “Evil and unfaithful people look for a miraculous sign. But the only sign they will be given is that of Jonah.”
    Then he left them standing there and went away.
     
    6 Jesus said to them, “Be careful! Watch out for the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees!”  Matt 16:1-6
    When you look at a loaf of bread, do you see on the outside what may be hidden inside that may have contaminated it, making it unfit to eat?  What you are offering as the identities of the wild beast and false prophet is no different than what the majority of the world thinks.  It is not hidden, but blatant.  Satan is deceitful, working as an angel of light.  You know and can perceive the works of lies in the WT under the GB's influence and partnership with its "Beast/organization", (Rev 13) yet you turn away, as do the majority of JWs.  Not even child abuse is enough to wake them up. 
    What will it take?  2 Thess 2:9-12   The "power, signs, and lying wonders" stem from unrighteous DECEPTION" and a "strong DELUSION".    It is God's anointed "kings" and the "nations" with them, that are deceived, just as you still are. Rev 13:7;16:12-14 (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Police raid Jehovah’s witness buildings in sexual abuse inquiries   
    On facebook, were two interesting comments regarding this topic.  
    1.  "I was told young, I got baptized at 14, to not call the police because it makes the org look bad and we don't wnt to bring reproach on jehovah...hmmm.  Doesn't this sound like what Satan aka "je-hovah" would do...conceal the wickedness and not let justice take place?!
    2.  "If they say the deed would cause reproach, then they admit that the deed is evil... yet it goes unpunished. How can it bring reproach on God... unless God is the one that committed the crime?
    What shames God, is that people to claim to bear His name, let evil thrive, and let victims go without mercy, justice, or comfort."  

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Police raid Jehovah’s witness buildings in sexual abuse inquiries   
    Which made me curious about the U.S.  I am sure it probably already has been brought out here at some point.
    https://www.childhelp.org/child-abuse-statistics/?gclid=CjwKCAiA0ajgBRA4EiwA9gFOR6BV2G7R1syZW2qmKOv37Dgo1GzPeKHXcBya6QjQWRA48-QCTfiWvhoCMI8QAvD_BwE
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Police raid Jehovah’s witness buildings in sexual abuse inquiries   
    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/police-raid-jehovahs-witness-buildings-in-sexual-abuse-inquiries/?fbclid=IwAR3Tmy1_CIqcKAcCfUs8Y8S1ZwLwS3cnJ6ji4xH0f1AsGpK_Ya2qK6DgRSo
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Police raid Jehovah’s witness buildings in sexual abuse inquiries   
    On facebook, were two interesting comments regarding this topic.  
    1.  "I was told young, I got baptized at 14, to not call the police because it makes the org look bad and we don't wnt to bring reproach on jehovah...hmmm.  Doesn't this sound like what Satan aka "je-hovah" would do...conceal the wickedness and not let justice take place?!
    2.  "If they say the deed would cause reproach, then they admit that the deed is evil... yet it goes unpunished. How can it bring reproach on God... unless God is the one that committed the crime?
    What shames God, is that people to claim to bear His name, let evil thrive, and let victims go without mercy, justice, or comfort."  

     
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    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Police raid Jehovah’s witness buildings in sexual abuse inquiries   
    https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/12/police-raid-jehovahs-witness-buildings-in-sexual-abuse-inquiries/?fbclid=IwAR3Tmy1_CIqcKAcCfUs8Y8S1ZwLwS3cnJ6ji4xH0f1AsGpK_Ya2qK6DgRSo
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    The point being you now seem to be looking into the 'world'.  We all know what the 'world' is like. 
    However the JW Org is supposed to be 'pure'.  Well it pretends to be. 
    The world is supposed to be wicked and complicated. The JW Org is supposed to be clean and easy to understand. 
    Have a good day. 
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in An interesting take on politics, conspiracies, and prophecies   
    Keep putting up that smokescreen.
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Why do the elders have to announce when a publisher decides to spend 70 hours a month in service?   
    1. why the need to count the number of hours, there is no biblical mandate to do so, however there is a mandate about boasting about your works.
    2. How many of those hours are just standing next to a cart and having your default witness as...'go to jw.org'.
    3. How hard can it be just standing there next to a cart?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in In Defense of Shunning   
    I should make clear that my last post here concerning the letter, was not written by me.  I could never organize my thoughts as well as the writer of the letter. 
    When reading your post, and before reaching the scriptures you quoted, I had them in mind.  I agree wholeheartedly with your words, but the concept would never be expressed by the leaders of the organization.  Your explanation is so foreign to the way the entire organization is run.  The chance that there would be a renewal of thought, is slim to nonexistent.  Although, as I believe the GB will be disfellowshipped, there will be an effort made for a "restoration".  
    Did you notice how you felt the need to carefully word your thoughts?:
    “We can't completely disfellowship our elders from their responsibility, but we can avoid giving the impression that we agree with these practices.”
    “We should be willing to speak out against the kind of videos we have seen recently which praise a person for avoiding familial contact with their own brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers”
    The fear factor of going against leadership is too high for most JWs to risk speaking out. 
    You said,
    “Of course, when it comes to those who no longer call themselves a brother (or sister) in the congregation we can treat them just as we would any other sinner or tax collector; we are in no danger of giving the impression that we support their conduct, because they are not even claiming to be related to us in the faith."  
    What category do those who are like myself fall into?  I can’t claim to be part of the Watchtower faith, but only in Christ.  Those friends I have left behind would never consider me a “sister”. Should people like myself be treated as “any other sinner or tax collector”?  I have not sinned and have a strong relationship with the Father and Christ.  Thus, for doing so, I am an “apostate”.  Those in the organization are thoroughly convinced this is apostasy against God; which in reality it is apostasy against “teachings unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses” – Bible not included in this phrase.   
     
     You see it all as it should be seen, but cannot be accomplished in the organization.  
    My perspective, as one outside looking in, and believing strongly that the Wt. is complete deception  is written in Jude:
    “But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold.  They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”  These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
     But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,  keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
     Be merciful to those who doubt;  save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.  Jude 1:17-23
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in In Defense of Shunning   
    I am now going to tell you of what took place today. Please read it slowly and carefully. 
    My wife and i were out delivering things to a charity warehouse and my wife suggested they we go to visit her mother who lives nearby. 
    On arriving at my wife's mother's home, we found that she already had visitors. Hayley, one of our daughters (who has never been interested in the JW Org), and Phoebe (one of our granddaughters), but the daughter of our only daughter that remains in the JW Org. 
    Poor little Phoebe, 7 years old, didn't know if she should speak to me or not. Obviously had been told by her mother not to talk to me, but I could tell that she actually wanted to. I spoke to her of course but she didn't know what to do... So that is No1 child that is suffering for no fault of her own.
    Now i proceeded to talk to my wife's mum and to explain to her that Phoebe's mum Hannah doesn't talk to me since I left the JW Org and to my surprise my wife's mum already knew the situation, and she had asked Hannah why she wouldn't talk to me, and Hannah had said' Because it is the rules, and I am not allowed to talk to him'. That was my wife's mum's words not mine. 
    After leaving my wife's mum's home we drove to Hannah's house to deliver a 'baby chair' a sort of bouncy seat to put a baby in. Hannah was at work and her husband was looking after the other two children. My wife took the chair in to the house and I stayed in the car. Hannah's oldest daughter aged 9 said to my wife 'I want to go and see grandad, but I'm not allowed to'.  My wife told me this when she came back to the car of course. So No 2 child that is suffering for no reason of her own. 
    So there we have it. TWO children that are suffering because they want to talk to me (their grandad) and they are not allowed to, and a 29 year old baptised woman (our daughter Hannah)  who is SHUNNING ME because it is the rules of the GB and Elders. Yet Hannah doesn't know why, she just follows blindly without question.... And thousands of others do the same.. 
    There is the truth about your shunning, Tom and other blind JW's. Not a rant, just plain truth. But truth is something your JW Org and it's GB cannot handle. 
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    Witness reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Jehovah's Witnesses Financial Downsizing Video   
    As for your idea of the 'truth' and i quote  " It's through meeting  people like this in the "truth", (and there are a few), that  others go apostate."
    The JW Org is not the 'truth'. Calling it the 'truth' is just a sales gimmick.  Please remember who and what the truth really is. And i back this up from scripture at John 14 v 6
      Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
    The JW Org and it's Governing Body are NOT the truth. And Jesus clearly states that NO ONE comes to the Father (Almighty God) except through him (Jesus Christ). 
    The JW Org can be likened to a Taxi cab, taking you on a journey. If it was going in the right direction then you would stay in that Taxi no matter what the cost.  However once you know that the Taxi is going in the wrong direction, you get out of it as soon as possible. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    Nope, it's not the same. One word - "pay" - created a lie and another delusion.  "Wages" means pay; in this case, the pay of sin.  The Wt. used this definition twice to twist its meaning.  
    We can be physically alive yet considered dead in God's eyes.  
    “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,  in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,  among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.” Eph 2:1-3
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in In Defense of Shunning   
    This is a letter written by an exJW and sent to many in the Watchtower.  This person saw through the delusion to join an organization and its process of disfellowshipping.   It seems apropos to bring out under this thread. 
     
    "Gaining bible knowledge through reading and study was
    something I deeply cherished as a Jehovah’s Witness.  But as my comprehension grew over time, so did my troubles with a restless conscience.
    Specific information I read in the publications, and particular
    statements repeated by elders and others on a regular basis didn’t appear to be
    supported scripturally; likewise for certain mandated procedures that were
    carried out each week, month, etc.  But the real source of the cognitive dissonance I struggled with for years was a couple of rules I bumped into not long after my baptism over 17 years ago--the two most important rules for JW’s:  
    1.  obey the Governing Body as if they are God himself
    2.  Accept and comply with all Watchtower teachings, even when they deviate from the scriptures.
    The publications, elders, etc. never stated these directives in such
    straightforward terms, but they were fully understood by the rank and file
    nonetheless. Why the issue? These rules required me to obediently “follow the
    leader” regardless of whether it bothered my conscience to do so.  This was not what I dedicated my life to God for and in fact, such requirements were completely incongruous with what I was preaching to individuals of other faiths.

    The same bible verses were recited time and time again to the Lutheran,
    Catholic and Mormon:  obey God as ruler rather than men; be faithful even in what is least; be sure of all things; test every inspired expression; do not put your trust in men.  I wanted to help all I met in the ministry to understand that blind complacency was not acceptable according to God’s word.  
    “True” Christians must:
     1. carefully and independently scrutinize all
    church teachings, policies and procedures
    2. Defy church authorities and their
    organizational protocols when it is evident that scriptural directives are not
    being followed
    3. Cancel church membership if necessary.  Needless to say, the imposed double standard
    --do as I say, not as I do--made it increasingly difficult to engage in the
    door to door ministry. How could I tell anyone to do these things when I wasn’t
    doing them myself? 

    From the beginning right up to the present, the Organization
    has been well-known for its countless flip-flops/revisions/discards, etc. in
    doctrines, policies, and procedures, as well as numerous failed predictions. So
    I am simply drawing attention to the obvious by pointing out that Watchtower
    leadership is wrong at times.  As mentioned, my biggest issue was that I was required to “follow the leader”, i.e., accept and comply with absolutely everything the Governing Body and elders told me to--despite the frequent changes and inconsistencies, and
    despite the fact that doing so meant I had to not only ignore my bible-trained
    conscience, but ignore God as well. 

    There were times when I went out on a limb and discussed my concerns
    with a few individuals, but the response was always the same:  Wait on Jehovah.  Put another way, do what the elders and Governing Body tell you to do no matter what; Jehovah will straighten things out in his own due time. (sound familiar?)This stock answer never made sense to me so one day I decided to do a bit of research (Acts 17:11; 1 John 4:1)

    It didn’t take long to see that such thinking was entirely
    out of sync with God’s word, and the following explains why.  According to the Gospels, the leaders of God’s covenant people had once again strayed from his Word by establishing their own standards of righteousness and, as in times past, Jehovah wasn’t
    happy about it. His feelings on the matter where made known by Jesus’ scathing
    denunciations, but more than anything else, he condemned them for their
    self-righteous arrogance and hypocritical double standards. (Matt. 3:9; 23:3,13-32; Romans 2:17-24)
    As you know, the story ends with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem--God’s divine execution of justice upon his unfaithful people, his “ channel” which, interestingly, wiped out the lives of not only the Jewish religious leaders, but the rank and file as well, i.e., those who had trusted and obeyed these men rather than God. From this information, one can draw the following conclusion: We will all be individually accountable to the Lord on judgment day, regardless of our religious affiliation (2Cor.5:10).
    Therefore, no individual, nor group of individuals, nor religious organization is exempt from God’s judgment, regardless of what anyone may claim to the contrary (Matt. 3:9; 7:21-23) There is no salvation,  no “ark” of safety, in any religious organizations nor the leaders who guide them consequently. (Psalms 146:3, 4)

    The tragic death of each and every rank and file Jew that perished in Jerusalem
    in 70 CE is a sobering reminder of what awaits those who think otherwise, who
    erroneously believe the following:

    1. Membership in a particular religious
    organization provides divine protection and exemption from some of the
    scriptural requirements they teach others to live by (Acts 10:34; Romans 2:21)

    2.  Absolute, rather than relative
    subjection to their religious leaders equates to obedience to God and Christ.
    Remember, giving allegiance and loyalty to anyone or anything other than Jah
    first, constitutes spiritual fornication, idolatry--something He does not
    tolerate. (Exodus 20:3; Ephesians 5:5; Rev. 14:4a)
    Think about this the next time you compliantly promote Watchtower dogma that is not supported scripturally (Ephesians 4:25), or follow organizational procedures that violate bible principles, because you have probably done these things over and over again
    with little or no thought as to the potential consequences.  I did.
    For years, I tried to silence that little inner voice and faithfully do
    whatever I was told in order to demonstrate obedience to the “Slave” and
    maintain a good standing in the congregation.

    It’s truly ironic that for 17 years, I was vigilant in avoiding any sort
    of political and/or nationalistic demonstration of allegiance or loyalty for
    fear of committing idolatry; and yet for 17 years, I made sacrifices, not to
    God, but to an image –a religious organization.

    But what about the verses that say we must speak in
    agreement and be submissive to those taking the lead (1 Corinthians 1:10;
    Hebrews 13:7), or the one that mentions the light getting brighter (Prov.4:18), you may ask.  Well think about this: since Jah never lies or contradicts, his principles, rules and prophecies are consistent and unchanging, even if this doesn’t always appear to be the
    case. Like a beautiful masterpiece in a dimly lit museum, the many intricacies
    of God’s immutable truths cannot be seen nor fully appreciated without a bright
    light--a divine luminary that dissipates the shadows of unenlightenment over
    time. (Psalms 36:9; 43:3) So even though we may not comprehend everything we
    read in God’s Word, we can still draw the conclusion that Jah does not require
    anyone to blindly “follow the leader” and/or maintain hypocritical double
    standards in worship.  If the inverse were true, verses such as Acts 5:29, Psalms 146:3, and 1 John 4:1 would not be in the bible. With this in mind, why is it that JW’s hang on the Governing Body’s every word, never questioning any of their claims, yet exhort their
    neighbors to carefully scrutinize everything their religious leaders say and
    do? After much thought, I believe I have formulated a reasonable
    explanation.
     Consider the following.

    As a student of the bible, I can say with confidence that
    neither Proverbs 4:18 nor any verse indicates that Jehovah is directly or
    indirectly responsible for the Governing Body’s long track record of
    contradictions, flip-flops in understanding , major policy changes (e.g., organ transplants), failed predictions, etc. To even imply anything to the contrary is clearly misleading, for this suggests that the Organization’s consistent misrepresentation of the scriptures is due to Jehovah’s slowness in shedding light, rather than the real reasons  -
    presumptuousness, lack of holy spirit, arrogance, etc. on the part of
    the GB.  And yet, each time these changes occur, Proverbs 4:18 is cited in the related Watchtower articles and quoted in talks from the podium, leading JW’s to believe that these men are not directly
    responsible for any errors they make (because it’s God’s doing).  This raises the GB to the level of infallibility, which is the very reason why you and many others mechanically
    “follow the leader”, regardless of how much or how often they deviate, revamp,
    revise, scrap, screw-up, etc.
    A similar process takes place in the case of Hebrews 13:7, 1 Corinthians 1:10, and other verses such as Psalms 42:5. When considered within the context of the biblical canon, not a single verse, illustration, or account indicates that JW’s are under divine obligation to comply with the GB’s every dictate –right or wrong (Acts 5:29). Even hinting
    that the inverse is true is nothing less than a deceptive, megalomaniacal
    attempt to alter God’s universal hierarchy of authority in the minds of
    spiritually-inclined individuals (1 Corinthians 11:3) And yet, the GB does just
    that and more in order to perpetuate the lie that absolute, rather than
    relative subjection to their headship equates to obedience to God and Christ.  These eisegeses and others are consistently and frequently dispensed via the talks, publications, etc. week after week,
    month after month, and year after year.

    In fact, during one particular meeting, a highly respected elder
    declared, “Whatever comes out of the mouth of the Slave, you consider that as
    coming out of the mouth of Jehovah.” In light of the foregoing, such grandiose
    claims are utter blasphemy (Jah NEVER lies --Romans 3:4). What’s even worse is
    the fact that compliance with these mistruths and others is strictly enforced
    much in the same way the Catholic Church once sanctioned any who challenged its
    unscriptural dogmas, policies, and practices.

    Apostate branding, public humiliation, removal from the congregation and
    shunning by JW family members and friends is the outcome that awaits all who
    dare to listen to their consciences and loyally uphold God’s word (Acts 5:29).
    These shameful implements of evil have led to mental and emotional problems,
    serious physical ailments, and even death among a significant number of
    disfellowshipped JW’s. Taking all this into account, it’s no wonder Jehovah’s
    Witnesses practice hypocrisy!

    If you have no problem being deceived, lied to, manipulated
    and controlled by fear, you are where you should be—in the Organization of
    Jehovah’s Witnesses. However, if, like me, you have experienced a crisis of
    conscience due to the unscriptural autocratic style of governance the
    Organization wields, DO NOT IGNORE IT. God has given you a conscience for a
    reason, so it is vitally important that you use it as HE intended.  Here’s how:

    1. Read and study your bible exclusively and independently
    2.
    Independently research the history of the Organization and current and past
    Watchtower doctrines, policies, and procedures, paying particular attention to
    the frequent flip-flopping, revisions, etc.

    3. Independently and carefully verify all information that is dispensed
    via the publications and public talks, rejecting anything that is not solidly
    backed by God’s word.  Be particularly on guard for statements that tell you to accept and/or comply with whatever you are told, even if it doesn’t make sense, add-up, etc.
    4. Practice what you preach!  Refuse to hypocritically teach
    others to apply bible standards that you are not fully complying with yourself
    (e.g., preaching 1 John 4:1 but not applying it)
    5. Refuse to commit idolatry/spiritual fornication by complacently “following the leader” when you know or even sense that doing so requires, or may require, disobedience to God and his word (Remember, he who is faithful in what is least, is faithful in
    what is most!)  
    6. Refuse to be intimidated and controlled by family, friends, elders or anyone else that
    attempts to frighten you into remaining in subjection to the Organization
    rather than Jehovah
    7. Pray to God for strength and courage to do what is right according to his word.  
    If you are unclear by what I mean by “independently”, let me explain.  Rather than relying on the Organization’s self-published material to verify the accuracy of the Organization’s
    assertions, claims etc., seek out sources that are not controlled by, nor
    affiliated with the Watchtower. This is what Jah wants you to do and it’s what
    you tell others to do! (Acts 17:11; 1 John 4:1) Verify, test, check--just as
    you would if you were buying a vehicle.
    Rather than rely on the salesman’s claims, you would consult independent
    and objective sources of information like Consumer Reports or carfax.com,
    before making the decision to buy.     

    What is the purpose of this letter? I assure you it is in no
    way an attempt to subvert your faith in God. To the contrary, it is a plea to
    fully trust and comply with God’s Word, regardless of the consequences (fear of
    man is what lays a snare).  And it is a warning. If you continue to remain in the Organization and complacently accept whatever you are spoon-fed, you are pleasing men, not Jehovah…. and you are in danger.  The tragedy that befell God’s unfaithful anointed in the first century foreshadows future events that will befall God’s modern-day, unfaithful anointed remnant and all those (the rank and file) who put their faith and trust in them.  I realize JW’s are taught to believe that Christendom is modern day apostate Jerusalem, but this simply isn’t so. If that’s the case, God’s anointed remnant is in Christendom, not the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses.  This is a critical point because it involves you on a very personal level.  How?
    According to the scriptures, wherever the anointed are is precisely
    where the apostasy and subsequent judgment will occur. So then, if the remnant
    is located in your religious organization, the foretold apostasy will also
    occur within your religious organization. Ask yourself:  why did Jehovah spare the Samaritans –the “pagan half-Jews”--when he brought destruction upon his covenant people in 70 CE?

    According to the pattern set in the first century, the
    purpose of the modern day apostasy is to fully test the anointed. (Mal.3:2,3)  Whether they qualify to co-rule mankind in the future will be determined by whom they ultimately choose to serve –Jah or their unfaithful religious leaders.  The Revelation prophesies and many others reveal this tuggle war of loyalty
    (Matt.4:8, 9; John14:30; 18:36; Rev.1:5; 5:10; 6:15; 16:12,14; 17:2,10,12,14,18; 18:3,9; 19:16-19; 20:4,6; 21:24; 22:5).

    On one side is Satan and the unfaithful anointed who, like the Pharisees, deviate from God’s word (and deceive the rank & file into doing the same), and on the other, Christ and
    his faithful anointed who loyally uphold Jah’s standards even unto death
    (Revelation 2:10).  Sadly, the vast majority of those on the battle lines will not prevail because they are on the losing side, caught in the same trap that Satan set in the first century:  a religious organization that appears to have God’s approval.

    This information (preceding two paragraphs) is not of my own
    originality but comes from anointed brothers and sisters--yes, members of the
    body of Christ--who have been kicked out of the Organization for refusing to
    comply with unscriptural doctrines, policies, and practices.  Many of these faithful ones wrote letters to the Governing Body about these matters, but they were largely ignored.  How do you think Jehovah feels about that?  Well, how did He feel when Jesus and his disciples were thrown out of the synagogues? 

    In closing, I want to point out that I still worship Jehovah God (and no, I’m not a
    Trinitarian).  And I still care about you; this is the sole reason why you have personally received this information.  Should you desire to discuss any of the points presented here in greater detail, or simply need a listening ear and some loving support, please don’t hesitate to contact me.   All communication will be completely confidential so you don’t have to worry.

    All My Love,
    Xxxx
     
    Pearl Doxsey posted this letter on her blog -  4womaninthewilderness
  20. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in In Defense of Shunning   
    Fair enough.  But, why are you making such a challenge to begin with?  Knowing what you do about the harm happening in the WT from disfellowshipping, (or are you cognizant of it?)  are you trying to prove that “Jehovah’s organization” and its specific “tools of discipline” is the only choice God sanctions for keeping moral values in check?    
    Since the “whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, there is not a concrete non-religious group nor any established religious group found in Satan’s world that is able to keep its “core moral values over time.”.
    If you could only detect that being part of a religious organization is being part of the “world” which makes keeping moral values in place, an impossibility.   Once an organizational structure develops, a ruler-ship over others becomes necessary.  Rules are fabricated, according to whomever wields the power, and determines what is adequate for the “group”.  And, any who refuse to agree with those rules could be threatened with excommunication. Some of these rules could originate in the Bible, but used in the wrong context; or, additional ones are added requiring a guidebook written by the leaders.
    In the Watchtower organization, all “fellowship” is based on allegiance to the organization itself.  There is the lustful “desire” to build beautiful structures, appealing to the eye.  Pride in what they have developed on the earth takes precedence. In fact, I would not be surprised if the GB believe Warwick Bethel will survive into the coming Kingdom of God.  These “things” contribute to the organization’s growth, as well as the drive and expectations for men especially, to move up the religious “corporate” ladder.  1 John 2:15-17
    Can anyone apply biblical values to a philosophy that mimics what can be found in Satan’s world, and be successful at it?  1 John 2:15,17
    Yes, JWs preach, and they are well known for preaching falsehoods.   If they preach something that is untrue 5 years later, are they blessed by God for imparting darkness to their neighbor?  Truly, showing love to one’s neighbor by telling the truth is one of the core moral values, and the law of God.   WT’s assumed moral values broke when the its leaders first uttered their lies and strutted their dominance over all.  Luke 22:24-27
    Although, there are individuals all over the planet, who desire and already have within themselves, core moral values.  Are they considered a “group”?  In a sense.  I know of many, but many others do not make their name known.   Christ knows who they are. John 10:14,15 Their “tools of discipline” are what is written solely in the Bible and they have the wherewithal to heed them.  It is spurred on by an authentic love to serve God and Jesus faithfully.   Many also look to the guidance of proven and tested anointed ones, to see how they can apply these tools, if there is a need. In the process, they are blessed with new understanding which is not possible in an environment where dark, dead teachings exist.  1 John 1:5; Matt 7:15-20   But, each individual approaches Christ who leads them to whom HE sends.  John 13:20    You won’t find them in “Satan’s world”, since they are “no part of the world”. John 17:15,16 There are no structures where they meet and are “organized”, nor record-keeping, and no collecting donations to support and build a blossoming empire.  Although I have in mind the Wt, it is more a fading flower, soon to come to nothing. Ps 37:20; Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
    So, there is a “fellowship” of the children of God, who are perfectly able to be responsible for developing their own core moral values by turning directly to the Father and Christ and receiving help from Holy Spirit.   We may not see the final result of this group until the Kingdom of God arrives, but I can guarantee that a good many of them have come from the organization where the life they knew was cut short. Matt 16:25  In their family and friends’ eyes, they are determined as “dead”; although they feel “alive” in Christ.  Rev 13:15; Eph 2:1-5; John 3:16    From then on, those who claim to have “love for their neighbor”, express hatred for them, a principle set down by those who instigated harsh disfellowshipping.  1 John 3:12; John 3:16
    Why will we not know who this group may be?  Because Jesus said, there is no physical place where we are to worship. No central physical location or “mountain” is approved by God for our worship.  God abandoned the early temple arrangement and established His Temple in Christ.  Jesus is telling us how to maintain spiritual distance from Satan’s realm and to be aware of those who will divert our attention away from the true Temple built with living stones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17   It is  God’s will that our worship is “in spirit and truth”, which doesn’t require slavery to elemental things of the world.  Rom 6:16;Col 2:8  Stephen also brought this out, but he was killed for doing so. Yet, “stiff-necked” Wt leaders have developed the organization - a god that goes before the people who they must “move ahead” with, or be left behind.  John 4:13,14,21-24; Acts 7:39-41,48-51; Exod 32:23
    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers!’
    JWs have forgotten or can’t acknowledge that Jesus said to follow him.  This doesn’t equate with following an organization.  It is as it is; we follow him, in spirit and truth.   Matt 10:38; 1 John 4:17; 14:6  The division that disfellowshipped ones experience for doing so, is exactly how Jesus prophesied it would happen. 
    “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” Luke 12:49-53
     
    “We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.  This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.  1 John 1:5-7
    Darkness takes on many shades in the Watchtower, but it never becomes light.
     
  21. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from JW Insider in In Defense of Shunning   
    Fair enough.  But, why are you making such a challenge to begin with?  Knowing what you do about the harm happening in the WT from disfellowshipping, (or are you cognizant of it?)  are you trying to prove that “Jehovah’s organization” and its specific “tools of discipline” is the only choice God sanctions for keeping moral values in check?    
    Since the “whole world lies in the power of the wicked one”, there is not a concrete non-religious group nor any established religious group found in Satan’s world that is able to keep its “core moral values over time.”.
    If you could only detect that being part of a religious organization is being part of the “world” which makes keeping moral values in place, an impossibility.   Once an organizational structure develops, a ruler-ship over others becomes necessary.  Rules are fabricated, according to whomever wields the power, and determines what is adequate for the “group”.  And, any who refuse to agree with those rules could be threatened with excommunication. Some of these rules could originate in the Bible, but used in the wrong context; or, additional ones are added requiring a guidebook written by the leaders.
    In the Watchtower organization, all “fellowship” is based on allegiance to the organization itself.  There is the lustful “desire” to build beautiful structures, appealing to the eye.  Pride in what they have developed on the earth takes precedence. In fact, I would not be surprised if the GB believe Warwick Bethel will survive into the coming Kingdom of God.  These “things” contribute to the organization’s growth, as well as the drive and expectations for men especially, to move up the religious “corporate” ladder.  1 John 2:15-17
    Can anyone apply biblical values to a philosophy that mimics what can be found in Satan’s world, and be successful at it?  1 John 2:15,17
    Yes, JWs preach, and they are well known for preaching falsehoods.   If they preach something that is untrue 5 years later, are they blessed by God for imparting darkness to their neighbor?  Truly, showing love to one’s neighbor by telling the truth is one of the core moral values, and the law of God.   WT’s assumed moral values broke when the its leaders first uttered their lies and strutted their dominance over all.  Luke 22:24-27
    Although, there are individuals all over the planet, who desire and already have within themselves, core moral values.  Are they considered a “group”?  In a sense.  I know of many, but many others do not make their name known.   Christ knows who they are. John 10:14,15 Their “tools of discipline” are what is written solely in the Bible and they have the wherewithal to heed them.  It is spurred on by an authentic love to serve God and Jesus faithfully.   Many also look to the guidance of proven and tested anointed ones, to see how they can apply these tools, if there is a need. In the process, they are blessed with new understanding which is not possible in an environment where dark, dead teachings exist.  1 John 1:5; Matt 7:15-20   But, each individual approaches Christ who leads them to whom HE sends.  John 13:20    You won’t find them in “Satan’s world”, since they are “no part of the world”. John 17:15,16 There are no structures where they meet and are “organized”, nor record-keeping, and no collecting donations to support and build a blossoming empire.  Although I have in mind the Wt, it is more a fading flower, soon to come to nothing. Ps 37:20; Zech 4:7; Rev 8:8
    So, there is a “fellowship” of the children of God, who are perfectly able to be responsible for developing their own core moral values by turning directly to the Father and Christ and receiving help from Holy Spirit.   We may not see the final result of this group until the Kingdom of God arrives, but I can guarantee that a good many of them have come from the organization where the life they knew was cut short. Matt 16:25  In their family and friends’ eyes, they are determined as “dead”; although they feel “alive” in Christ.  Rev 13:15; Eph 2:1-5; John 3:16    From then on, those who claim to have “love for their neighbor”, express hatred for them, a principle set down by those who instigated harsh disfellowshipping.  1 John 3:12; John 3:16
    Why will we not know who this group may be?  Because Jesus said, there is no physical place where we are to worship. No central physical location or “mountain” is approved by God for our worship.  God abandoned the early temple arrangement and established His Temple in Christ.  Jesus is telling us how to maintain spiritual distance from Satan’s realm and to be aware of those who will divert our attention away from the true Temple built with living stones. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17   It is  God’s will that our worship is “in spirit and truth”, which doesn’t require slavery to elemental things of the world.  Rom 6:16;Col 2:8  Stephen also brought this out, but he was killed for doing so. Yet, “stiff-necked” Wt leaders have developed the organization - a god that goes before the people who they must “move ahead” with, or be left behind.  John 4:13,14,21-24; Acts 7:39-41,48-51; Exod 32:23
    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’ 23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers!’
    JWs have forgotten or can’t acknowledge that Jesus said to follow him.  This doesn’t equate with following an organization.  It is as it is; we follow him, in spirit and truth.   Matt 10:38; 1 John 4:17; 14:6  The division that disfellowshipped ones experience for doing so, is exactly how Jesus prophesied it would happen. 
    “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” Luke 12:49-53
     
    “We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete.  This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.  1 John 1:5-7
    Darkness takes on many shades in the Watchtower, but it never becomes light.
     
  22. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in In Defense of Shunning   
    If you are referring strictly to Bible-based discipline, the WT leaders still have no clue how to do so in love, since they are more concerned at protecting an image than the individual.    They fall far short of the examples we have in Jesus Christ.   Yet, how do you account for the thousands who have not sinned, that have been disfellowshipped? Who is it, that is expressing core moral values?  The individuals who leave knowing they can't tolerate another lie or submit to the rule of unrighteous men, or those who disfellowship them?  
    Core moral values should be dependent on Christ's teachings and practiced by the individual no matter what the "group" may decide.  
  23. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in In Defense of Shunning   
    If you are referring strictly to Bible-based discipline, the WT leaders still have no clue how to do so in love, since they are more concerned at protecting an image than the individual.    They fall far short of the examples we have in Jesus Christ.   Yet, how do you account for the thousands who have not sinned, that have been disfellowshipped? Who is it, that is expressing core moral values?  The individuals who leave knowing they can't tolerate another lie or submit to the rule of unrighteous men, or those who disfellowship them?  
    Core moral values should be dependent on Christ's teachings and practiced by the individual no matter what the "group" may decide.  
  24. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in In Defense of Shunning   
    If you are referring strictly to Bible-based discipline, the WT leaders still have no clue how to do so in love, since they are more concerned at protecting an image than the individual.    They fall far short of the examples we have in Jesus Christ.   Yet, how do you account for the thousands who have not sinned, that have been disfellowshipped? Who is it, that is expressing core moral values?  The individuals who leave knowing they can't tolerate another lie or submit to the rule of unrighteous men, or those who disfellowship them?  
    Core moral values should be dependent on Christ's teachings and practiced by the individual no matter what the "group" may decide.  
  25. Like
    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in In Defense of Shunning   
    For those in Rio Linda ....
    It all boils down to this ONE, singular issue:
    The way disfellowshipping is done today by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, is for the singular purpose of consolidating political power in the hands of the Governing Body, through fear and terror ... by with premeditated cruelty disguised as a "loving provision", destroying WHOLE FAMILIES and EXTENDED FAMILIES .... for the sins of ONE person.
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