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    Witness got a reaction from DefenderOTT in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    Where to start.  
    Who are the anointed ones, and why must they obey those not anointed - the elder body?  
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    Witness got a reaction from DespicableME in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    Please tell me how this accomplished.  To think that the organization is spirit-directed belittles God's power in light of its failed teachings.  You do realize there are a plethora of failed teachings, don’t you?
    Is God and Jesus too weak to provide direction with clarity?  Are they responsible for the vagueness in teachings that are the historical trademark of the organization?
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    Please tell me how this accomplished.  To think that the organization is spirit-directed belittles God's power in light of its failed teachings.  You do realize there are a plethora of failed teachings, don’t you?
    Is God and Jesus too weak to provide direction with clarity?  Are they responsible for the vagueness in teachings that are the historical trademark of the organization?
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    Witness got a reaction from DefenderOTT in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    Yes, sadly this is the case.  John 12:40
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    Yes, but Ray Franz left behind two very detailed biographies of his experiences and observations .... which at least one is available on Amazon.com, or, with a little searching, you might be able to get either or both off the Internet for free in PDF or EPUB format. 
    You should research these things for yourself, and not rely on others,  whose information may be distorted by being second-hand information.
    Waterboarding is very effective, in most cases, and has the advantage that it does not leave any documentable  marks ....
    By not allowing any representation, witnesses, recordings, or notes in disfellowshipping trials, completely secret ... the Society does not need to waterboard anyone to avoid any tell-tale evidence of iron fists in a velvet glove. 
    For it's intended purpose, without ever showing mercy of any kind, the system works perfectly, now.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    In Jesus’ day, his enemies manifested themselves as the Scribes and Pharisees; leaders of his own people.  They battled against Jesus’ words of truth and set out to kill him.   Spiritually, they had as their Father, Satan.
    In our day, the battle is fought against a composite false prophet, and a Beast/organization, that the false prophet supports. (Revelation chapter 13) The false prophet “breathes” spirit into the image of the Beast.  They are also, Gog and Magog as both have the same plan in mind; to come against the “saints” and companions with deceit.  Rev 20:7-9
    Where are the “saints” and their companions?  The saints are the anointed ones.  You should be able to perceive how the symbolic characters of Revelation manifest themselves.  And as what happened in Jesus' day, those who stand for truth are  "killed", but symbolically as Revelation 13:15-17 expresses.  John 16:2; Luke 12:11,12
    Those that surround the “saints” in Revelation don’t carry rifles or wear masks.  How would that play out as a deceptive ploy?  Obviously, the people in the field in the video were well aware the enemy was coming, which is not how the Bible tells it.  Rev 16:13-16  As has always happened with God’s people, the majority don’t heed the warnings.    Satan uses deceit, just as he did with Eve.  Not many wake up to this fact. Rev 6:15-17; 8:10,11  Only remnants of God’s people survived destruction that came upon them in the past, it is the same during the end times.  Amos 7:1-9
    A movie about the life of Joshua is much different than Wt’s video on Armageddon.  Children’s movies are made on the lives of individuals in the Bible.   Wt’s version of Revelation is based on a physical battle, which if it were to occur, would be a Satanic diversion of the true spiritual battle that we are warned of throughout the Greek scriptures.  Obviously, Wt. doesn’t interpret Revelation consistently as the example I earlier stated, gives proof of.     So, who is it that is deceiving you and the rest of JWs?
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    The scene appears to be a weak representation of the attack of Gog and Magog on the “holy ones”/”saints”  (anointed).   
    From Wt 13/11/15 pp. 16-20
    “The prophecy about seven shepherds and eight dukes has its major fulfillment in our day. The citizens of ancient Jerusalem were attacked by the Assyrians. IN THE NEAR FUTURE, Jehovah’s apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day “Assyrian,” WHOSE INTENT WILL BE TO WIPE THEM OUT. (caps are mine) The Scriptures refer to that attack as well as the attack of ‘Gog of Magog,’ the attack of “the king of the north,” and the attack of “the kings of the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40, 44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent separate attacks? Not necessarily. The Bible could be referring to the same attack under different names.”
    It appears Watchtower deliberately left out Rev 20:7-10 in this paragraph concerning this attack of Gog and Magog. 
    Here’s why:
    Wt 15/5/15 “We are told that AT THE END OF THE 1,000 YEARS, Satan will be released from the abyss, and “he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war.”
    "IN THE NEAR FUTURE"
    "AT THE END OF THE 1,000 YEARS"
    Sounds like deceit in the making. 
    Rev 20:7-10 - Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive (with lies) the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” 
    Once Armageddon is finished, Satan is finished. 
    Ps 110:1,2 - The Lord said to my Lord,
    “Sit at My right hand,
    Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
    2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
    Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
    There are no enemies in Watchtower’s peaceful thousand-year kingdom after Armageddon. But there are now. And Gog and Magog certainly cannot make two appearances; one at Armageddon and a thousand years later.   
    “ But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.  Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.”  1 Cor 15:20-28
    Paul is stating that the active reign of Christ began in the first century, leaving 1914 hanging on nothing.  Watchtower has a way of taking scripture and twisting it as they like, to deceive and surround the "saints" and companions, with lies.  
    And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them."  Luke 21:8
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    Yes, you are absolutely right. I went to see video clip ones again. People faces are not showing fear. I noticed that this little JW group assembled in the field because they obviously received some "instruction" to go there and wait. They were been warned in advance what they can expect and what would be the outcome. Because that they are calm, not panic at all. This scene support WT articles about receiving "instructions" that must be obeyed in Armageddon.     
    So, yes, their faces not showing fear as in compare to JW group in basement video from 2016, they show fear to some level. And when male part of group stand before women to protect them, looks like bros are ready to fight against black man uniforms.
    NOW:
    Group in basement 2016 video was obviously died and resurrected in New World. So, does this mean that this (military) attack on JW people was happened before Armageddon?? No, i don't see that from video. It is Armageddon scene.
    Because - This year group was also attacked from same kind of (military) people but not died at all. They were saved, by Christ action. 
    Question is:  How is possible that one JW  group died in Armageddon and in the same time other JW group is saved from same "enemy" in same global collapse called Armageddon ? 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    This soldiers belonging to very very special forces extra trained to deal with pacifists people.... it surprised me that don't see water cannons in action.
    ....and when filming is over all going to Heineken stored and cooled in last year built basement :)))) 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    “A horrible and shocking thing
      has happened in the land:
     The prophets prophesy lies,
        the priests rule by their own authority, (GB, elder body)
    and my people love it this way.
        But what will you do in the end?  Jer 5:30,31
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    Witness got a reaction from JW Insider in JW Convention 2018 Final Video - English Version   
    Agree. 
    “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.”  2 Cor 10:3-5
    The knowledge of God is Truth.  Any argument against truth is a lie; showing that the war at hand and the weapons needed, involve only truth, to battle against lies. 
    This is the theme of the Greek scriptures.  Jesus brought truth, battled the lies, and taught his disciples to do the same.  The battle doesn’t take on a physical form with the world’s military armies in the symbolic book of Revelation, but depicts how the rider on the white horse, called “Faithful and True”, defeats the Beast who received “spirit” from the false prophet - all to deceive Christ’s servants…with lies, since that is the weapon false prophets use.  Rev 13:1,5-7,11-17
    This is the greatest, destructive “scheme” of Satan and not recognizable by the naked eye. 
     “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in His mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.  Eph 6:10-17
    The scripture’s “day of evil” isn’t what the video portrays at all.  Rather, it involves Satan’s deception of lies; and our desire to either battle against it, or stand vulnerable in an open field and allow the enemy, Satan, to overcome us with his “flood” of lies.   Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12;  Rev 12:15,16
    “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather, be afraid of the one who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.”  Matt 10:28
    We can’t physically see the light and truth of Christ or the darkness and lies of Satan; yet, we know that both powers exist, and are present for us to decide which will enter our hearts and rule our lives.  2 Cor 11:12-15; John 8:12; Phil 2:14-16; 1 John 1:5,6
    Since this is the case, the battle to remain in the light of truth, takes a concerted effort, as “the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one”. 1 John 5:19
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    No, no, no.  It’s not “New Age”, but “new wine” in “new wineskins”.
    As long as your “skin” hold onto bits and pieces of the old law covenant; such as anointed women unable to be leaders, what will happen?
    “the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”  Matt 9:17
    “Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in STEPHEN LETT BOLSTERS HIS "DIVINE PROVISION"   
    “To go ‘undercover’ is to avoid detection by the entity one is observing, and especially to disguise one's own identity or use an assumed identity for the purposes of gaining the trust of an individual or organization to learn or confirm confidential information or to gain the trust of TARGETED INDIVIDUALS in order to gather information or evidence.”  (Wikipedia)
    In the spirit world, Satan uses this tactic by influencing selected agents to go “undercover”.  They are deceived into believing his lies; falling into his personal workforce; yet having the appearance they are serving God.  Through Satan’s various schemes, a veil begins to shroud the heart, not allowing the error of their ways to be noticed.  Why does this happen? 
    “each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.  Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.”  James 18:14,15
    They become his slaves to accomplish his covert, end-of-time strategy – to hunt down and destroy the anointed ones who are the remaining ones of the “woman’s seed”.  Ps 10:2-4; Jer 5:26; Gal 3:16;29,26; Rev 12:4,15-17.  He shares his power with his “undercover” servants, fully coercing them to execute his plan. Rev 13:11-14,1,2  In the Watchtower, he begins with anointed ones that scripture refers to as “stars”, who have fallen from God’s grace. Phil 2:15; Dan 12:3; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 12:4  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ps+10%3A2%3B+Jer+5%3A26%3B+Gal+3%3A16%3B29%2C26%3B+Rev+12%3A4%2C15-17%3BRev+13%3A11-14%2C1%2C2%3B+Phil+2%3A15%3B+Dan+12%3A3%3B+2+Pet+3%3A17%3B+Rev+12%3A4&version=CSB
    From Pearl Doxsey’s article:  SATAN’S “FALL” – “HEAVEN” – “SEVEN SPIRITS OF GOD” – THE KINGDOM:
    “The fallen star (Rev.8:10,11) is handed the "key" to the "abyss" (Rev.9:1). The abyss is the power of deception and death. By accepting that "key" to the abyss from Satan its "king" (Rev.9:11; John8:44); this fallen anointed one enters a covenant with Death (Isa.28:15). That covenant is called..."Babylon the Great". Covenants are symbolized as "mothers" (Gal.4:24,26; Rev.12:1,2,5; 17:5). 
    To have the "key" to the Abyss, is to acquire the power and authority of the "kingdom of this world" (1John5:19) by those who "mind the flesh" (Rom.8:5-8).   
    The fallen star of Rev.9:1, is "Wormwood" (Rev.8:11), who is present today as the last harlot daughter of Babylon the Great [Zech.2:7; Isa.1:21;Jer.2:20; 51:12,13; Rev.18:4; 17:1,5 ..the false prophet (Rev.16:13)...and the two-horned wild beast ofRev.13:11. These are all symbolic parables about the same identity." 
    As Wormwood, this agent of Satan releases a great, devastating army from the abyss; having as their primary target, the holy ones. Rev 9:1-4  Effectively a “slave society” is formed. Perhaps many of you may see the Watchtower in its definition, with its ruling governing body and body of elders, wielding a perceived divine authority over the millions of JW individuals:
     “A society where the fundamental class conflict is based on the division of people into MASTERS AND SLAVES, with slaves being the dominant producing class, and ownership over this complete commodification of the human being controlled by MASTERS.”
    commodification: the action or process of treating something, or someone as a mere commodity – propert owned. 
    “See to it that no one ENSLAVES you through philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to the Messiah”  Col 2:8
    Slaves are owned, JWs, and YOU are owned through your dedication to the Watchtower idol. Rev 13:1,4,7,11,15-17  Samuel Herd once termed it deceitfully by quoting  1 Cor 6:20 when enforcing the necessity for all JWs to serve the organization; which is not just a spiritual entity, but an obvious material corporation built in Satan’s world.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev+9%3A1-4%3B13%3A1%2C4%2C7%2C11%2C15-17%3B+1+Cor+6%3A20++&version=CSB
    God does not live in temples, organizations, or earthly churches made with hands. 1 Cor 6:20 refers to the anointed ones who are the Temple of God, and who must remain spiritual “virgins”, promised to one Master.  Acts 17:24;7:49; John 4:21,23,24; 1 Cor 6:15-19; 2 Cor 11:2 They are owned only by God and Christ, not an earthly, corporate entity. 
    If we realize we have been bought with the blood of Christ, we are told, do not become slaves of men! 1 Cor 7:23  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A24%3B7%3A49%3B+John+4%3A21%2C23%2C24%3B+1+Cor+6%3A15-19%3B+2+Cor+11%3A2%3B1+Cor+7%3A23&version=NKJV 
    The book of Ephesians addresses the holy ones of God – his chosen anointed people of spiritual “Israel”, and the Temple/ Body of Christ who are his Bride. Eph 1:1,18,19;2:6,10; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; John 2:19,21;  1 Cor 3:16,17  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph+1%3A1%2C18%2C19%3B2%3A6%2C10%3B+Isa+43%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+John+2%3A19%2C21%3B++1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17&version=NKJV
    Please note what the Watchtower says about “holy ones” who are the anointed saints of God:
    “God’s Word shows that A PERSON IS NOT MADE A SAINT BY MEN OR BY AN ORGANIZATION.  The Scriptures state: “[God] saved us and called us with a holy calling, not by reason of OUR works, but by reason of his own purpose and undeserved kindness.” (2 Timothy 1:9)
    Speaking of God’s Kingdom to come, the article states:
    “What a time that will be! The results of the perfect rulership of Christ Jesus and the 144,000 HOLY ONES are further described in these words recorded at Micah 4:3, 4”  Wt 02/9/15   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Micah+4%3A3%2C4&version=CSB
    It should be established in your mind that the anointed are the holy ones, holy priesthood, and called ones of God. 
    1 Corinthians chapter 12 covers the gifts assigned within this Temple Body built on the chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ.  Please see and compare this chapter with the noted scriptures in Ephesians chapter 4:   1 Cor 12:12,13; Eph 4:4-7; 1 Cor 12:4-11,27,28;Eph 4:11-13  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Cor+12%3A12%2C13%3B+Eph+4%3A4-7%3B+1+Cor+12%3A4-11%2C27%2C28%3BEph+4%3A11-13++&version=NKJV
    Not everyone is assigned to this role in Christ.  The Watchtower eludes to this in their quote by mentioning the “144,000” who will serve God as His kings and priests under their Head/Husband/High Priest, in God’s Temple.  The appointment is not according to man’s choice.  1Cor.14:33; 1Pet.2:10,9,5; 1Cor.3:16; 2 Cor 11:2; Heb 7:26,27; John 15:16  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Cor.14%3A33%3B+1Pet.2%3A10%2C9%2C5%3B+1Cor.3%3A16%3B+2+Cor+11%3A2%3B+Heb+7%3A26%2C27%3B+John+15%3A16&version=NKJV
     
    While working “undercover” for Satan, GB member and false prophet/Harlot, Stephen Lett, utilizes the “empty deceit” maneuver in the August 2018 broadcast:
    “The theme for this month’s program is “appreciating our gifts in men.  Who of us does not enjoy being given a fine, well chosen gift?  For example, you brothers; do you not take pleasure in receiving a colorful, but tasteful, 100 percent silk tie?  Or you sisters, do you not delight in being given an exquisite, charming silk scarf?  But, what if you took that silk tie, or silk scarf and used it to polish your shoes?  How do you think the giver of your gift would feel if he saw you using his gift in that way.  Obviously, it would be misuse and disrespect for the gift and would insult the giver.   What is the point of our illustration?   Well, Jehovah and Jesus have given us a fine well-chosen gift IN THE FORM OF THE ELDERS.  But as we will discuss, all of us must make sure that we always show appreciation and respect for this DIVINE PROVISION." 
    Lett deftly avoids explaining, with scriptures, the “divine provision” authorizing the elder body’s right to authority, who are men who have been appointed by men.    By far, the vast majority of them are anointed.  He then uses, Eph 4:8; which we must remember is a book that addresses the anointed ones. 
     For it says:
    When he ascended on high,
    he took the captives captive;
    he gave gifts to people.
    Paul is speaking of the various gifts received by those within the anointed Body. 
    Eph 4:11,12 – “And he himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 equipping the SAINTS (holy ones) for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ”
    There is no “divine provision” made for another group not anointed by God to shepherd His flock, and based solely on men (Gal 3:28).  Can you see how God’s provision already in place, has been outmaneuvered and replaced by a counterfeit? Can you discern that the organization has created a false body of “holy ones” they call the “Body of Elders”?  Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; 2Cor.2:11; Luke 21:36   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+3%3A28%3B+Matt+24%3A15%3B+2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+2Cor.2%3A11%3B+Luke+21%3A36&version=NKJV
    It begs the question; why would Watchtower’s anointed leaders push another “body” other than God’s already established arrangement in Christ?
    Pearl Doxsey, “WHERE IS THE TRUE RELIGION – CHRIST’S BODY – GOD’S TEMPLE?”:
     “Not all anointed will prove faithful (Matt.25:1,2; 22:14). 
     Those who prove UNfaithful, exchange love for their brothers and for truth, for   worldly power and self-serving doctrines of men (John5:44; 1John3:10,11,13-15; Rev.17:6; 1John2:15; Rev.2:4; 2Thess.2:10,12; 1Cor.4:8; John7:16,18; Mark7:7; Rom.1:25).    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.25%3A1%2C2%3B+22%3A14%3BJohn5%3A44%3B+1John3%3A10%2C11%2C13-15%3B+Rev.17%3A6%3B+1John2%3A15%3B+Rev.2%3A4%3B+2Thess.2%3A10%2C12%3B+1Cor.4%3A8%3B+John7%3A16%2C18%3B+Mark7%3A7%3B+Rom.1%3A25&version=NKJV
    “Those proving UNfaithful, are the very ones who become proud, prominent, powerful, tyrannical, and abusive (Luke 16:8; 22:24-27; 1John4:20; 2:9,11; 3:10,15), and dominate their brothers to their injury (Ec.8:9). 
    Where would anointed ones get such power? (Matt.4:8-10; Rev.9:1,3,7; 13:4,11,15) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+16%3A8%3B+22%3A24-27%3B+1John4%3A20%3B+2%3A9%2C11%3B+3%3A10%2C15%3B+Eccl+8%3A9%3BMatt.4%3A8-10%3B+Rev.9%3A1%2C3%2C7%3B+13%3A4%2C11%2C15&version=NKJV
    These unfaithful leave their subjection to Christ, leave unity with the body of Christ as arranged by God, and ally themselves with the power of Gentiles (not anointed), instead (Jer.17:5; Dan.11:31).    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer.17%3A5%3B+Dan.11%3A31&version=NKJV
    They betray their covenant with God [to have His laws on their heart -Jer.31:33; (*Deut.6:6,8; 11:18)], https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer.31%3A33%3BDeut.6%3A6%2C8%3B+11%3A18&version=NKJV
    …to enter a covenant with Satan 
    [Jer.11:9-11; Rev.9:1,11; 13:1,4,11,12,15 (*Rev.13:16,17); Rev.17:1,3,5; Isa.28:15]   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer.11%3A9-11%3B+Rev.9%3A1%2C11%3B+13%3A1%2C4%2C11%2C12%2C15%3B+Rev.13%3A16%2C17%3B+Rev.17%3A1%2C3%2C5%3B+Isa.28%3A15&version=NKJV
    They leave their confidence in the strength of God (Phil.4:13; Ps.18:2,3), for the worldly advantage and power that come from forming an alliance with those NOT anointed, and with THEM, create an Organization”  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Phil.4%3A13%3B+Ps.18%3A2%2C3&version=NKJV
    When encouraging JWs to be submissive to the elders; to pray for them, and to follow their direction no matter how illogical it sounds, (the paintbrush analogy comes to mind) GB member, Lett, later quotes Prov 3:27:
    “When it is in your power, don’t withhold good from the one to whom it belongs.”
    JWs, isn’t this exactly the situation with the authentic holy ones, since you are taught deceitfully to ignore this priestly provision from God?  The anointed in the Watchtower aptly fit Lett’s silk tie or scarf being used to polish shoes; only, it is far worse.  They are trampled by a great army of locust-scorpions released from Satan’s deep abyss of deception, by Wormwood; and the very army that Stephen Lett is coercing you through “philosophy and empty deceit”, to obey.  This army is the ‘man of lawlessness sitting/ruling in the Temple of God’.  2 Thess 2:3,4   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thess+2%3A3%2C4&version=NKJV
     
    “A nation has invaded My land,
        a mighty army without number;
    it has the teeth of a lion,
        the fangs of a lioness.
    7 It has laid waste my vines
        and ruined my fig trees.
    It has stripped off their bark
        and thrown it away,
        leaving their branches white.” Joel 1:6,7
    Will you, JWs, continue to be slaves to Masters that have hidden the gifts God has provided through His holy ones? Who do you perceive are the true “saints”, the authentic holy ones – the unanointed elder body, or God’s chosen people of Isa 43:10 and 1 Pet 2:5,9,10?   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10&version=NKJV
    Will you, who are anointed, settle as the silk scarf used to ‘polish the shoes’ of those who trample you?  Dan 11:31,32  
    Satan’s undercover agents have been stripped down to their true identities during this time of the end, for us to perceive, and FLEE from!   Matt 24:16;Nahum 3:5;Rev 18:4-8    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A16%3BNahum+3%3A5%3BRev+18%3A4-8++&version=NKJV
     
    I will repay you for the years
    that the swarming locust ate,
    the young locust, the destroying locust,
    and the devouring locust—
    my great army that I sent against you.
    26 You will have plenty to eat and be satisfied.
    You will praise the name of the Lord your God,
    who has dealt wondrously with you.
    My people will never again be put to shame.
    27 You will know that I am present in Israel
    and that I am the Lord your God,
    and there is no other.
    My people will never again be put to shame.  Joel 2:25-27
    Pearl Doxsey for the source of the articles mentioned.   4womaninthewilderness blogspot
     
     
     
     

     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    But…it really doesn’t matter if they know it or not, because the popular opinion taught by Wt’s leaders is…
    The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven.
    Which leads to doubting ANY who may partake.  They can’t be trusted.  Whether JWs realize it or not, this has successfully drawn them AWAY from the anointed priesthood, and TO the elder body who have the power to disfellowship God’s anointed people when they choose to reject Wt. lies.   The exception of course, is the GB whom they hear boldly declare their heavenly assured, sealed destination.   The ramifications are large – many anointed ones prefer to remain invisible for fear of elders scrutinizing them.  This also can account for many who stop partaking.  The snowball effect causes someone like me to dismiss my anointing for my entire 32+ years in the organization.  And I am not alone.  It is not unusual for elders to label an anointed one as having emotional problems, or as “mentally diseased”, even threatening them if they choose to partake.    And what are they called when they reject such oppression?
    Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings. (1 Tim. 6:3, 4)  Wt 11/7/15
    Disloyal to whom?  To the Father and Christ?  No, to the organization.  1 Tim 6:5 bears considering.
    This study article is written by hypocrites and enforced by their muscle/elder body.  From what I know about hypocrisy, not only is it a characteristic of some mental diseases, it is a spiritual disease that can lead to death.  Matt 24:48-51
     
    (Pearl Doxsey has an article entitled, “Who are the Mentally Diseased”?   4womaninthewilderness)
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    I should have brought this out before; but then, I have many times under other topics. 
    JWs are aware there are both genuine anointed ones,  and those who are not anointed within their congregations.  Of all religions, this is a unique truth specific to the Watchtower organization.  What has been lost over the years, is their identity behind the term, “anointed”.
    They are chosen by God as His “special people”. 
    “But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.” 1 Pet 2:9
    They are His priesthood, of both men and women under Christ, their High Priest. 
    1 Pet 2:5 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
    The spiritual house that they become, is the Temple of God; built on the apostles and prophets – built on the Body of Christ.  1 Cor 3:16,17
    “built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit.”  Eph 2:20-22
    They are a “new creation” – neither male or female – to serve as one Body under Christ. 
    “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, and see, the new has come!”  2 Cor 5:17
    “For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time for us to do.”  Eph 2:10
    They are “kings”, “rulers” once sealed in the Kingdom of God.  Yes, even the women!   They can be sealed as heavenly kings even while on earth.  Rev 5:9,10; Eph 4:30
    The only King who rules over them is the King of kings, Lord of lords – Jesus Christ and their High Priest.  Would he allow other “kings” to take his place?   If all are rulers, should one among them rule over another? As I’ve said, the position of leader within the Body is much different than expecting blind obedience to either a man or a woman. 
    When looking at the early priesthood, all priests under Aaron, the High Priest, were to listen to him.
    They are also, the Bride of their “husband”, Christ. 
    They are a “brotherhood” – unless someone believes Paul was only directing his words to women.
    They are “living sacrifices” offering themselves for all who will gain life in the Kingdom. 
    Chosen people, holy priesthood, living sacrifices, living stones, spiritual house, Temple of God, brotherhood, virgin “wives”,  bondservants….and “sons” of God.  ( Add to this, are the gifts bestowed on each within this Body.) 
    All of these characteristics are spiritual and symbolic, having nothing to do with the flesh.  They are a new creation of God, selected to serve His children in the Kingdom.  Why is this so hard to understand?  Why do men limit God’s ability to chose both men and women of His creation and “form” them, refine them, teach them His decrees (if and only if, they are willing to submit to Him and His Son) for His purpose to bring blessings, riches and knowledge from His throne to those “children” on earth who love Him?  Why is it so hard to perceive one’s flesh has nothing to do with it? 
    It is the new thing that God had planned long ago to be established when His Son came to earth.   Jer 31:22; Micah 4:8
    “Then He spoke a parable to them: “No one puts a piece from a new garment on an old one; otherwise the new makes a tear, and also the piece that was taken out of the new does not match the old. 37 And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. 38 But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved. 39 And no one, having drunk old wine, immediately desires new; for he says, ‘The old is better.’ ”  Luke 5:36-39
    “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.”  John 6:63
    “For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.”  Phil 3:3 (Rom 2:29)
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Let us Appreciate Brother Lett   
    Stephen Lett quote: "We are supposed to comply with or obey what they tell us. Of course that would be with a proviso unless they tell us to do something that is unscriptural. And of course that would be extremely rare. "
    Rare or not but Mr Lett clearly said that GB from time to time tells  members something that in fact  is Unscriptural!
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Let us Appreciate Brother Lett   
    I was there, and paying attention.
    I know better.
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    I wonder if in Mexico, when a woman temporarily substitutes for a man in the Congregation, if she has to wear a sombrero?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    Please Space, if Deborah gave word to Barak, did she only been messenger? I would say that she became, maybe by not her own will, person who take responsibility of leadership as Commander of army too. So by that she was important person in chain of command. And she went on battle field! You said in your explanation that (and confirmed my statement) by saying;"... under the command of Barak and Prophetess Deborah.." 
    You confuse me dear friend :))))
    Another woman came on scene. Jael. We see that Deborah and Jael was much more heroic than Barak. SO WHO IS BETTER HEAD IN THIS CASE, FEMALE OR MALE? :))) With Church or without Church, we discuss about does woman have ability, permission, possibility, obligation, prohibition, advice, and similar -  to do same things as male doing. 
    After all, both, male and female doing very beautiful and very ugly things. And they are doing that with and/or without God and/or Church! 
    I found something interesting on web. Here it is:
    God’s reason for choosing Barak for the Israelite commander is not clear. Deborah lived in southern Ephriam. Surely, there was an Israelite man who could lead the Israelites who lived closer than Kedesh, Barak’s home in northern Naphtali. On the other hand, Kedesh was only about 5 miles from Hazor. Barak personal experience with Jabin’s domination motivated him to throw off the Canaanite oppression.
    Barak’s caution when Deborah’s called him to be war commander of Israel seems appropriate for three reasons. First, the proximity of Kedesh and Hazor allowed Barak to know the magnitude of Jabin’s army along with its chariots. To Barak, the Canaanite army was beyond formidable. Second, the Bible gave no indication that Barak had battle experience. Likely his father Abinoam was a clan leader in Naphtali (Judges 5:12-13). Probably Barak had experience with decision making for a small group of men, but definitely not for an army of 10,000 men. Third, Deborah held court near Bethel, approximately 80 miles from Barak’s home town. Barak may not have known Deborah well; thus he was not sure that she spoke for God rather than herself. Barak must have been reassured when Deborah agreed to go with the Israelite army. Deborah was putting her life on the line along with Barak and the Israelite men.
    Barak’s response showed that he focused on Sisera’s seasoned, well-equipped army rather than God’s power and plan, e.g., God plan to lure the Canaanites into the Kishon river valley. Because of Barak’s failure to fully trust God, this Israelite victory over the mighty Canaanite army is remembered more for Jael’s subterfuge than Barak’s leadership.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    It's a great opinion.    
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    Life, for a human, without examination .... and self-examination, is a life not lived.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    I wasn’t going to do this… 
    Hmmm,
    I remember reading it like this.  And "man" wasn't capitalized.  (I'm really getting a good picture of how you perceive women)
    “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” 1 Cor 11:3
    Do you know that the Greek meaning for “man” ( anēr)   can be  “used generically of a group of both men and women”?
    What if it was meaning this:
    “But I want you to know that the head of every group of both men and women is Christ…”
    Would scripture support this?  Gal 3:28; 2 Cor 11:2; 1 Cor 12:23,26  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+3%3A28%3B+2+Cor+11%3A2%3B+1+Cor+12%3A23%2C26&version=NIV
    Does any male religious leader have higher authority over a woman than the man she is married to?  Line ten “christian” men up in front of a woman; one of them being her husband.  Who should she listen to?  Which male “head” should she choose?  Obviously, she would most likely listen to her fleshly husband.
    BUT, if that wife decides she must leave the so-called “christian” religion she is in, realizing it preaches  “another Jesus”, should the husband stop her from doing so, since he does not share that opinion?  Since she realizes the difference between a truth and a lie, and is unable to spiritually “live” the lie any longer, should she do what her heart tells her and turn to Christ for guidance?  Of course!  She doesn’t need permission from her fleshly husband to heed Christ’s words of Matt 11:28.
    Since she has chosen to listen to Christ, he is her only spiritual Head.  Her fleshly husband has no authority over her spiritual well-being. No religious leader has authority over her decision to serve Christ the way she feels is proper.  That is between Christ and herself, although she can certainly share what she learns, since marriage mates are “partners” and would work out their religious differences, giving respect to each other’s spiritual needs, as well as fleshly needs.
    So, the Head of the anointed “church”, is ONLY Christ.  True spiritual “leaders” who are members of the Body, would be chosen by Christ, not men.  If it happens to be a woman, who’s going to argue it?  Her husband?  ?  The  true spiritual guidance given by a man to a woman is much different than practicing unrelenting authority over her, such as Watchtower’s “shepherds”, who have been the given ability to judge anyone as unfit for God’s Kingdom, if that person rejects this falsely given authority.
    The fleshly wife is to be a “helper” to her husband, just as the Bride of Christ will be Christ’s helper, recognizing he is still their Master.  2 Tim 2:20,21
    God’s word tells us,
    “Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?”  Rom 6:16
    We cannot serve two Masters.  Our fleshly marriage must be in balance with our commitment to Christ.  We spiritually serve only God and Christ.  If we, male or female, put obeying men above Jesus, we will succumb to devoting our time, energy and resources to men (and what they desire to build), instead of Christ.  Matt 6:24
    Col 1:18 - And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.
     Anointed women are part of the body of Christ, the church.  They are not sitting on the bench or in some other zone you have created mentally,  but are equal in all respects, to men.
    Mary
    Acts 1:12-14 - Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk[c] from the city. 13 When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. 14 They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.
    Acts 2:1-4   When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
    Do you think there was chance they were prophesying?  I do.   Please, don’t limit the ability of God, His Son Jesus Christ, and the gift of Holy Spirit.
    Now, I am done.
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    Galatians 3:28 New International Version (NIV)
    28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 
    This same Paul here said very advanced and almost innovative thought. He abolishes all the social divisions that are characteristic of the society in which they lives. I primarily think of Jewish society and religion as an indivisible part of the Jew people. Eliminates the difference on the basis of nationality. Eliminates the difference of status on a social scale caused by position or origin in society. Eliminates differences caused by belonging to sex, gender. (It not surprised if some talking how First Christians was the Religious Communist with the ideas of a classless, egalitarian society that shared their land and their other property and similar.)
    Why these 3 stumbling stone are connected and put "in one bag" with clear  answer on problems that this 3 listed items causing till today?  
    When he talking about "you are all one in Christ", he undoubtedly talking about New Religious System of that NEW SOCIETY that try to forming New Congregation. Not New "Jew Congregation". Of course they are not been able to escape all obstacles and traps which drag them into the old system of worship of God and the religious hierarchy that existed in Jewish religion for so many centuries. They were not so strong to cut all ties with old things. Because "new light" that shined on them, for short time, was to much new for them to be that something what would be possible to incorporate into something new formed. And that they themselves did not know how this newly-found faith should actually look like in structure, in the relationship between the members, between the sexes.
    Perhaps Paul was highly "Inspired" while he dare to talking about such taboo theme - male and female are equal to the such point, to such level,  that sex/gender even not existing in Congregation of God, not existing as question, as principle, as stumbling stone, as difference, as controversy.
    So they mixed old thoughts with new thoughts. Paul is one example. We find his commands to congregation about "silenced woman" and on other hand with full confidence he talking how "we are all one an equal".   :))
    Here is context of verse i mentioned in the beginning, to see "whole picture" how he ( and I/me, hehehe) came to unity of sexes :)) because we are all: 
    Children of God
    23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
    26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in IS IT PROPER FOR A WOMAN TO SPEAK, TEACH AND PROPHESY?   
    For over 40 years, I used to sit at a drafting table, and later at computer monitors, and design things.
    ... all kinds of things.
    Lets say my boss came to seven different designers and asked for us to design something ... anything,
    Without rock-solid airtight specifications you might get seven versions of whatever that thing was.
    You might get an MP3 player that weighs 20 pounds and looks like a bathroom fixture.
    At the time Eve was created there were already millions of pre-humans that evolved, but none directly created by God, until Adam and Eve were created. ( ... a planet full of a million tons and more of fossils make it pretty clear what DID happen .... ).
    By the way ... that's where Cain got his wife, and further messed up the gene pool ....)
    Jehovah God is not accountable to us as to how WE think he should have done things .... he COULD have made us have a caterpillar stage like butterflies, and that would have been his choice.
    The really cool thing about being Almighty God, is the absolute flexibility  and power to do ANYTHING you want, however you see fit.
    Second guessing the Almighty God is, by practical definition, an exercise in futility.
     
     
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