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    Witness got a reaction from DespicableME in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    I guess the best way to find out for sure if the GB live elsewhere, is to ask a “Bethelite”. 
    I actually opened an account with “beenverified” to help you with this.  These are my findings of the properties the video listed:
    51 Woods Rd is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 1,705 Sq Ft and has 6rooms. 51 Woods Rd. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $390,000.
    05/15/2014 - Ownership change from Gebert, Warren to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
     
    5 Sylvan Way is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 2,412 Sq Ft and has 7rooms. 15 Sylvan Way. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $320,000.
    10/10/2014 - Ownership change from Laurent, Arthur J & Elaine to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
     
    57 Cross Ridge Rd is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. It has approximately 1,200 Sq Ft and has 7rooms. 57 Cross Ridge Rd. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $335,000.
    03/06/2013 - Ownership change from Swartz, Michael & Patricia to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
     
    227 Ironwood Dr is a property located in Tuxedo Park, NY. . 227 Ironwood Dr. is owned by WATCHTOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY. It was last recorded in 2016, where the sales price was $2,400,000.
    06/17/2014 - Ownership change from Sterling Forest Apts Llc to Watchtower Bible & Tract Society
     
    Property #5 Route 72, did not come up since it is vacant land.
    Can we rule out that the GB don’t live in these properties outside of Warwick, even if they are registered in the name of the Watchtower?  They were acquired after Watchtower bought property to build “Bethel” in 2009; obviously taking care of first things first.  If these places are not for the GB, then who are they for? Their lawyers?  If they were temporary dwellings while building got underway, why are they still owned by the Watchtower today?
     I did come up with Mark Stephen Lett in Tuxedo Park.  The only address was, 40 Kings Drive, which is an empty spot on the road leading into Warwick Headquarters – 1 Kings Drive.
    “You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us—and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you!” 1 Cor 4:8
    If you find anything, I would be interested to know. 
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Does the Governing Body live on-campus or off-campus?   
    “And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.” Matt 8:20
    "Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,
    his upper rooms by injustice,
    making his own people work for nothing,
    not paying them for their labor.
    14 He says, ‘I will build myself a great palace
    with spacious upper rooms.Â’
    So he makes large windows in it,
    panels it with cedar
    and decorates it in red.
    15 “Does it make you a king
    to have more and more cedar?
    Did not your father have food and drink?
    He did what was right and just,
    so all went well with him.
    16 He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
    and so all went well.
    Is that not what it means to know me?”
    declares the Lord.
    17 “But your eyes and your heart
    are set only on dishonest gain,
    on shedding innocent blood
    and on oppression and extortion.” Jer 22:13-17
     
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    Witness got a reaction from DespicableME in "Nourishing Spiritual Food"?   
    Did the vast majority of JWs come to the conclusion that 1975 was the date of Armageddon – on their own? 
    How did these people come to the realization of the world ending, unless they were convinced that the leaders in control understood Bible chronology?   Consider global warming; whether you believe it or not, you are relying on the scientific experts to tell you what’s happening with the planet; but in this case it doesn’t affect your relationship with family and friends if you choose one side or the other.
    Surely you see the confusion by individuals reading the various articles and references to the date, as well as hearing live talks -  all coming from “Jehovah’s organization” and his “mouthpiece”.   
    There was a 14% growth in member in 1974.  Why?   I am sure you know why.
    By 1976 the growth rate dropped to 4%. 
    In 1977, it dropped further, -1%
    “Expectation postponed” made their hearts so sick, that many realized the Watchtower was not an organization run by God. 
    How do you dismiss scripture, Eoin?  How do you read God’s word that condemns false prophets and ignore it?  Was there ever an instance that God told the nation of Israel to tolerate it?  Think of the generations of JWs that have put up with false dates and changing doctrine; hanging on because the authority over them so thoroughly convinced them it was “Jehovah’s will”, that they remain faithful to the organization!
     “And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart. 15 Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who prophesy in My name, whom I did not send, and who say, ‘Sword and famine shall not be in this land’—‘By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed! 16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; they will have no one to bury them—them nor their wives, their sons nor their daughters—for I will pour their wickedness on them.’”  Jer 14:14-16
    Isn’t this exactly what the organization teaches, that no sword or famine will come upon the Watchtower?  If we take all of this with a grain of salt, then we are blind to God’s righteous expectations to follow his Word closely.  Ezek 14:21; Rev chapter 6
    It appears you are attempting to defend a sinking ship.  I truly pray you get off before its too late.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in "Nourishing Spiritual Food"?   
    “Nourishing Spiritual Food”? 
    I cannot advocate the website listed at the end of this short video, as I haven’t gone there.  Also I do not see verification that the money from the sale of houses, properties and goods was given to the Watchtower at that time period.  But I will not dismiss the large possibility.  What is important about this video, is hearing how 1975 was truly proclaimed from the source; quite contrary to how the 2017 convention presented it: 
    “…you see, back then, some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things. A few, even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs. (km 5/1974)"
    “But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.” 
     You may say in your heart, “How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken?”  When a prophet speaks in Yahweh’s name, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You shall not be afraid of him.              Deut 18:20-22
    “This is what the LORD of Hosts says: "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are making you worthless. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the LORD's mouth.”  Jer 23:16
    “Behold, I am against the prophets, says Yahweh, who use their tongues, and say, He says. 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, says Yahweh, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their vain boasting: yet I didn’t send them, nor commanded them; neither do they profit this people at all, says Yahweh.”  Jer 23:31-32
    If we claim to read God's Word and live by it, then God's Word should help us distinguish truth from lies.  Matt 3:10
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Elders’ Training Videos for 2018: Pioneering is Just a Title, a Reward and a Punishment   
    These men claim to be leading God’s flock, following the Word of Christ.  Instead, they have thoroughly corrupted the teachings of Christ with their own precepts.  Is it any different that how the Pharisees ritualistically taught commandments of men and not of God?
    He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    ‘This people honors Me with their lips,
    But their heart is far from Me.
    7 And in vain they worship Me,
    Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
    8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
    9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.  Mark 7:6-9
    …And in the Wt., it is the tradition and doctrine of rank in the organization.  There is no Bible basis for it.  
    James 2:1-4 - “My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. 2 For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, 3 and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” 4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?”
    Gal 1:10 - "Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave.”
    Isa 28:10 - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
    Line upon line, line upon line,
    Here a little, there a little.”
    1 Cor 4:6 –  “Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.”
    2 Cor 1:24 – “Not that we have dominion over your faith, but are fellow workers for your joy; for by faith you stand.”
    Obviously, the elder body not only "think beyond what is written", but does have dominion over the faith of each JW.  They “mark” an individual as acceptable, or a failure, according to their own precepts.  Why, would anyone want to bring an individual into such captivity? 
    How can it be called "the truth", when it is established on doctrine not found in God's Word; but rather, on hypocrisy?
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    Witness got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in New Light   
    Hear, my son, and receive my sayings,
    And the years of your life will be many.
     I have taught you in the way of wisdom;
    I have led you in right paths.
     When you walk, your steps will not be hindered,
    And when you run, you will not stumble.
    Are these rejected dates the way of wisdom? If they contained light, why are they not kept as a light source?
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in New Light   
    Hear, my son, and receive my sayings,
    And the years of your life will be many.
     I have taught you in the way of wisdom;
    I have led you in right paths.
     When you walk, your steps will not be hindered,
    And when you run, you will not stumble.
    Are these rejected dates the way of wisdom? If they contained light, why are they not kept as a light source?
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    Witness got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in New Light   
    Proverbs 4:18 is beautiful, but it isn’t the route the Watchtower takes.  Follow the path of “this generation” teaching from the beginning.  Map it out, and you will find a very crooked path.  Do the same with all Watchtower’s proclaimed dates, including 1914.  Soon, a confusing maze has developed with no end in sight.  If a spiritual leader or teacher that we have trusted in, tells us that “light” is over “there”, even in a place/teaching visited before (as is the case with “this generation”); once arriving, and the test of time proves we have found no assured light…for the first, second or third time -  surely we take this faulty guidance as an untruth – a deception – a lie…and darkness.   Surely.  
    “As a dog returns to its vomit, so also a fool repeats his foolishness. Do you see a person who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.”  Prov 26:11,12
     A child might say, “you tricked me!”, having enough sense to know when to quit believing the tricks.    JWs appear to be numb to this trick since it is balanced by soothing words of apparent wisdom, and apparent light.  Prov 5:3;29:3;55:21; Rev 2:20
    Guard your heart above all else,
    for it is the source of life.
     Don’t let your mouth speak dishonestly,
    and don’t let your lips talk deviously.  Prov 4:23,24
    INDIVIDUALLY, the path of righteousness and light begins by stepping out of the maze and off the crooked path of deception.  Prov 4:14,15
    My son, pay attention to my words;
    listen closely to my sayings.
     Don’t lose sight of them;
    keep them within your heart.
     For they are life to those who find them,
    and health to one’s whole body. Prov 4:20-22
    “Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who lives in me does his works.”  John 14:10
    Jesus answered, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. The one who doesn’t love me will not keep my words. The word that you hear is not mine but is from the Father who sent me.”  John 14:23,24
    The path of the righteous is like the light of dawn,
    This path is in following Christ, who is compared to the sun.   Matt 17:2; Rev 22:16; Ps 89:36
    Jesus spoke to them again: “I am the light of the world. Anyone who follows me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light of life.”
    Prov 4 is about gaining and retaining wisdom in Christ, who holds within him, God’s Word, light and life.  (John 1:1) An anointed teacher should reflect such wisdom and light obtained from Christ; which always begins as light, and is always growing in more light.  Matt 5:14-16; 2 Tim 1:13,14; Tit 1:9; Luke 12:37; Matt 13:43;(Acts 26:17,18; Eph 5:8)

    shining brighter and brighter until midday.
    “We also have the prophetic word strongly confirmed, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.”

     But the way of the wicked is like the darkest gloom;
    they don’t know what makes them stumble. 
    If doctrine is forever needing changing, and false prophesies are pronounced, how can it be dismissed that the hearers are NOT stumbled as they grope in the darkness of the proclamation?  Can darkness ever be called light?  2 Cor 6:14
    “If we say, “We have fellowship with him,” and yet we walk in darkness, we are lying and are not practicing the truth.”  1 John 1:6 (John 14:6)
    An example of proposed fellowship in Christ, darkness and a lie:
     Wt 1/1/1924 p. 5 - "Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874."
    “Pay close attention to your life and your teaching; persevere in these things, for in doing this you will save both yourself and your hearers.”
    If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you want and it will be done for you.  John 15:7
    “For you are all children of light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or the darkness… 1 Thess 5:5
    …As long as they guard their heart. Luke 6:45,44; John 7:38
    “As a single footstep will not make a path on the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental (or spiritual) path, we must think over and over the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives.” HD Thoreau
    Prov 4 speaks of two paths – the straight path, continually in light; or the wicked path, off the course of truth. We can choose either to dominate our life.  Discarded Watchtower doctrine was never truth…or light.  Those who teach and speak doctrine aside from the teachings/words of Christ have no light in themselves and rob the hearer of the true light of Christ, even though the anointed teacher may speak his name.  Matt 24:23-27
    “You don’t have his word residing in you, because you don’t believe the one he sent.  You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, and yet they testify about me.  But you are not willing to come to me so that you may have life.  John 5:38-40
    This is true of JWs.  They are willing to “come to Jehovah’s organization”, but not directly to Christ, since the leadership teaches salvation begins when one enters the door of the organization. According to Christ, this makes the organization a thief.
    I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.
    2 Thess 2:9-12 – “The coming of the lawless one is based on Satan’s working, with all kinds of false miracles, signs, and wonders, and with every wicked deception among those who are perishing. They perish because they did not accept the love of the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe the lie, 12 so that all will be condemned—those who did not believe the truth but delighted in unrighteousness.”
    Truth, in verse 12:  alḗtheia (from 227 /alēthḗs, "true to fact") – properly, truth(true to fact), reality.
    [In ancient Greek culture, 225 (alḗtheia) was synonymous for "reality" as the opposite of illusion, i.e. fact.]
    The organization is the illusion/delusion of light, life and truth;  and a path many have chosen.
     The reality – the true facts from God’s Word, show it is Christ who is light, life and truth, and the only path for the righteous. 
    “I will bring the blind by a way they did not know; I will lead them in paths they have not known. I will make darkness light before them, And crooked places straight. These things I will do for them, And not forsake them.”  Isa 42:16
     
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in New Light   
    The only problem with "new light", is climbing over a pile of corroded dead batteries you have accumulated.
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    Witness reacted to The Librarian in If the Anointed Ones Were to Wake Up   
    Your comment was referencing an entire group of Anointed ones and not just Kenneth Cook so I felt it should go on it's own thread.
    Thank @admin .... not me. ;-)
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    Witness got a reaction from DefenderOTT in If the Anointed Ones Were to Wake Up   
    I was wondering where this post went.  The connection is the announcement about the new GB member.  It seemed necessary that two large pictures of him needed to be posted under that particular thread.  I felt it necessary to remind JWs that there are many potential "faithful and discreet slaves", if only they would wake up and consider Paul's words, and I'll include Matt 25:19-30 also.  
    It is interesting that a scripture landed in "controversy".
    I know you've got a big job, Librarian.  And I know I don't make it any easier.  Thank you for letting me continue here.
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    Witness reacted to Shiwiii in Elders’ Training Videos for 2018: Pioneering is Just a Title, a Reward and a Punishment   
    What are you going to call it when it is true?   Spiritual food? 
    No need for them to be THAT stupid, its already been declared that jws should follow the direction no matter how stupid. 
    "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Watchtower 2013 Nov 15 p.20
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Is the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses ‘Inspired’?   
    ”Jehovah leads and feeds those in the earthly part of his organization by means of “the faithful and discreet slave” under the direction of Christ, the “head of the congregation.” w16 November pp. 14-18
    If these men were “inspired”, the above statement would be true.  It takes inspiration from Holy Spirit, for them to receive Christ’s direction. Spirit must be infused in the person to guide them in the way of Christ; but we have it in print, that it is not the case with the GB. 1 John 2:4; 1 John 3:24
    Instead, they rely on the voting system. It once was a required two-thirds majority in favor of passing new rules or doctrine; which at least you could understand that individuals had the freedom to reject an idea; although I was shocked that voting was even considered.  Now, the GB must be 100 percent in agreement when passing new rules/doctrine. 
    How many teachings of past leaders have been rejected by today’s leaders?  How far back does it go, that Wt’s leaders were not inspired?  Whether two-thirds or 100 percent needed to agree on doctrine by men admitting to not having inspiration, it is apparent that it began with Russell. 
    Maybe this new GB member is not rule-oriented, but it really doesn’t matter.  He must go with the flow, and it may be a rude awakening for him. 
    These scriptures have spiritual fulfillment today:
    “Jesus called them over and said, “You know that the rulers (elder body) of the Gentiles (those not anointed) lord it over them,
    and those in high positions (GB) act as tyrants over them. 
     It must not be like that among you. On the contrary, whoever wants to become great among you (among the anointed chosen Body of Christ, since Jesus was speaking to his future apostles) must be your servant*, and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave*;  just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”  Matt 20:25-28
    *This is not the practice with the GB.  They authorize their appointed rulers (elder body) to judge their fellow anointed slaves as not worthy of spiritual life.  Are they serving their brothers in Christ, or condemning them through acts of tyranny?  Matt 24:48-51; 1 John 2:9-11; James 2:4  Uninspired men fabricate rules and doctrine that every JW must obey, and it is called guidance from God through Christ – or from a “spirit-directed organization”.  I imagine in my mind a looming spiritual power within the world since that is where it is physically built and seen, breathing a spirit, but not from the Almighty God.  1 John 2:15-17; Eph 2:1,2; Rev 13:11-15
    Without holy inspiration, in what manner does God and Christ guide the organization?  The GB? The members?  It can be said a thousand times that God directs the organization, the “faithful slave”, the elder body – yet one slip of truth will wipe out each and every one of those false claims.  That being, the Governing Body is not inspired by Holy Spirit; and if they are not inspired by God's spirit, neither is the organization.    1 John 2:27,18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 24:4,5
     
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in "The Gift of Revenue"   
    And not a single orphan taken care of. But with their problems with pedophilia, maybe they should stay away from orphans.
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    Witness got a reaction from DespicableME in Elders’ Training Videos for 2018: Pioneering is Just a Title, a Reward and a Punishment   
    These men claim to be leading God’s flock, following the Word of Christ.  Instead, they have thoroughly corrupted the teachings of Christ with their own precepts.  Is it any different that how the Pharisees ritualistically taught commandments of men and not of God?
    He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
    ‘This people honors Me with their lips,
    But their heart is far from Me.
    7 And in vain they worship Me,
    Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
    8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”
    9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition.  Mark 7:6-9
    …And in the Wt., it is the tradition and doctrine of rank in the organization.  There is no Bible basis for it.  
    James 2:1-4 - “My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. 2 For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, 3 and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” 4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?”
    Gal 1:10 - "Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave.”
    Isa 28:10 - For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
    Line upon line, line upon line,
    Here a little, there a little.”
    1 Cor 4:6 –  “Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.”
    2 Cor 1:24 – “Not that we have dominion over your faith, but are fellow workers for your joy; for by faith you stand.”
    Obviously, the elder body not only "think beyond what is written", but does have dominion over the faith of each JW.  They “mark” an individual as acceptable, or a failure, according to their own precepts.  Why, would anyone want to bring an individual into such captivity? 
    How can it be called "the truth", when it is established on doctrine not found in God's Word; but rather, on hypocrisy?
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    Witness got a reaction from DespicableME in "The Gift of Revenue"   
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in 607 B.C.E. - Is it Biblically Supported?   
    No one ever gave evidence against 538 or 605. They are both good dates to put forward for the events that should be associated with them, plus or minus a year or two, in my opinion.
    You provide mixed up facts for me to choke on? LOL. 
    Then why has most of WT Chronology already been dropped? About 15 of the original "non-erasable" prophetic dates that had included 1914 have already been erased from WT chronology. All that is left is a simple claim that, even though all the predictions for 1914 failed, we are going to keep it anyway because, if we merely change the meaning of "Gentile Times" we can at least say we got that part right. Of course, even this is a huge failure, because our current definition is not based on scripture.
    WT chronology was intended to circumvent the words of Jesus about how the times and seasons were in the Father's jurisdiction, and how no one would know the time of the parousia. It had become analogous to the way in which early Christians were using genealogies:
    (1 Timothy 1:3-7) . . .to command certain ones not to teach different doctrine, 4 nor to pay attention to false stories and to genealogies. Such things end up in nothing useful but merely give rise to speculations rather than providing anything from God in connection with faith. 5 Really, the objective of this instruction is love out of a clean heart and out of a good conscience and out of faith without hypocrisy. 6 By deviating from these things, some have been turned aside to meaningless talk. 7 They want to be teachers of law, but they do not understand either the things they are saying or the things they insist on . . .  
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    Witness reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Current image of the newly opened Warwick World Central.   
    Somehow this reminds me of WWII when Hitler built factories to produce a "peoples' car" .. the Volkswagen.
    People sent in their money to finance the design and manufacture, and eventually they were SUPPOSED to get a car .... and the GOVERNMENT ended up with cars and machine guns.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Current image of the newly opened Warwick World Central.   
    I corrected the address on the other topic concerning this.  It should read 15 Sylvan Way.  My fault ,when initially copying from beenverified.
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in 1921 - The Harp of God   
    Oh.. but I have.
    Here are a few quotes:
    p. 102-.......174 Jesus was not an angel or spirit being..... 
    p. 254 452........"And at that time shall Michael [God's representative, the Messiah] stand up........
    p 230 "Twelve hundred sixty years from A.D 539 brings us to 1799-another proof that 1799 definitely marks the beginning of the "time of the end". This also shows that it is from the date 539 A.D that the other prophetic days of Daniel must be counted. 
    p231 The time of the Lord's second presence dates from 1874.
    p 233 In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of (cont.234) preparation for the establishment of Christ's kingdom.
    p 236 We should expect then, the general harvest of the gospel age to end in 1918.
    p 236 We should therefore expect to find a harvest period from 1878 to 1918.......
    p248....In the year 1919 many Bible Students in different parts of the earth,......blah,blah..blah.....proclaim the message....."The World Has Ended-Millions Now Living Will Never Die," clearly in fufillment in the words of the Master.......(caps are theirs) (again in same paragraph) Millions Now Living Will Never Die..... (also on various other pages)
    p 279 ...The church of Christ consists of Jesus Christ the head and the 144,000
    p307 ....and the song of the Lamb [the song of the clear fulfillment of prophecy and the unfolding of God's plan, as set forth in the New Testament; they are playing upon their harps adn praising jehovah.....(sorry I do not recognized the word jehovah and will not capitalize it, obviously it is in the book)
    p 166 "Being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.....(why don't jw's capitalize He when speaking of Jesus?)
    p 114 has a nice woodcut/etching of Jesus upon the Cross
    p90 .....without pain and without suffering there was born to her Jesus, the Savior of the world.
    p234 It was in the year 1874, the date of our Lord's second presence.....
    p235 talks about all the wonderful new inventions of the time .."come to light since 1874, as further evidence of the Lord's presence since that date as follows: adding machines, aeroplanes, aluminum (didn't the wt go on to say aluminum was an invention of the devil at one point?) antiseptic surgery, artificial dyes, automatic couplers, automobiles, barbed wire, bicycles, , etc...etc....
  21. Confused
    Witness got a reaction from Queen Esther in Jehovah is God's Name! "God is Love." 1 John 4:8 ~ ?   
    “Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?”
    14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15 Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’  Exod 3:13-15
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Strong’s Hebrew: 3068. יַהְוֶה (Yhvh) - the one bringing into being, life-giver From the primitive root "havah" - to become
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Strong's Hebrew: 1943. הֹוָה (hovah) -- a ruin, disaster
    “Je-hovah” – god of ruin, disaster
    This Hebrew word “hovah” is found in Ezek 7:26
    “Disaster will come upon disaster,
    And rumor will be upon rumor.
    Then they will seek a vision from a prophet;
    But the law will perish from the priest,
    And counsel from the elders.”  NKJV
    Some translation say, “Mischief shall come upon mischief”
    It is also found in Isa 47:11 –
    “Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know”  KJV
    We have no record of Jesus saying, “YHVH”, but only “Father”; yet the Watchtower insisted on inserting “Jehovah” wherever they could.  It appears they have made a ruin and a disaster of their version of the Bible. 
    “Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious;  for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
    TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
    Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you:  “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.  Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. Acts 17:22-25
    Paul was surely describing “YHVH”, and not “Jehovah”.  One gives life, one takes it away.  
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Noble Berean in Spiritual Hierarchy Within The Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Sorry for the delay in response.
    You're using the actions of millions to give evidence to the divine support of a small group of men. Do they deserve that credit? Couldn't it be easily argued that Jehovah God is blessing the entire group's actions? The worldwide preaching work, the racial unity, the technological advancement--is that all the product of the GB? In fact, the GB committees are made of many JW "helpers" that produce content--the GB puts a stamp of approval and may offer revisions or additional input. For human purposes, a centralized GB is advantageous, but from a spiritual perspective Jehovah God can impart his spirit to whoever he pleases (and he certainly does).
    As I've said before a GB makes sense from a human perspective, but where is the scriptural basis for unquestioned authority? The type-antitype thinking has been thrown out the window in recent years, so why hasn't the FDS parable also been thrown out as non-prophetic? Are we not supposed to notice that a parable that remains prophetic deals with the GB/FDS?
    Does the GB even believe it is the FDS? Think about it! Have they are come out and said it? They imply it, but they never state it outright. If the GB themselves can't say outright that they are FDS, then why should all JWs believe they are? And their public relations/legalese speak with governments and courts--doesn't it sound dishonest? When you hear the org say that JWs are never forced to refuse blood and that it would be presumptuous of the GB to claim to be sole representatives of God...these statements just don't ring true! Imagine saying these things at a KH or assembly! You would have a stern talking-to by the elders. Why can't the GB just be upfront with the media/governments/courts on the organization they lead? Is it because they are ashamed or feel they have something to hide?
    If Jehovah God the Almighty is using the GB to achieve his purpose, why do they need to constantly rely on plausible deniability and general shadiness? When the GB is under fire, why they are so quick to remove accountability from themselves? Look at how they deal with the sex abuse. That's suddenly not on the elders or the org, but it's on the parents. The GB can't claim credit for all the good things and remove credit from all the bad! You can only pick one. That's a kind of self-preserving, shady attitude that I don't like. It's not Christian--it's businesslike.
  23. Thanks
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Nana, doesn't Satan want us to look into his world for the "signs" of the end?  It's his realm.  Isn't this exactly what Jesus saw the Pharisees doing?  Matt  16:2,3   It's too easy to see what's going on and to apply all those signs to his return.  In Matt 24:15, Jesus said we had to use discernment to understand that pivotal scripture, which applies to Daniel's "fourth beast".
    Of Daniel’s image, only four powers are represented.  We know from history that there were many more than four major powers to come and go; but unlike what you may believe, each power of the image has to do with God’s people.  Satan is the greatest foe against them. Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, represents Satan, and a formidable foe against Israel (along with Pharoah who also represents Satan).  This leaves three left.  Daniel tells us that the “fourth beast”/power also comes against the anointed ones in the time of the end, using a far different sort of power than previous ones. 
    The “fourth kingdom” of Dan 2:40 is the “fourth beast” of Dan 7:7, with ten horns; and is the same Beast of Rev 13:1.  To verify that this fourth kingdom comes against the anointed ones, Rev 13:7 says,
    “And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.”
    Dan 7:8, 21 - "While I was considering the horns, suddenly another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. And suddenly in this horn there were eyes like the eyes of a human and a mouth that was speaking arrogantly.   "As I was watching, this horn waged war against the holy ones and was prevailing over them”
    Is this happening in the world with the Anglo-American power?
    The anointed/holy ones/saints are mingled with other people when this is occurring. It is an alliance of two types of people – that of iron and clay.  God refers to his chosen people as “clay”, and of the earth (Dan 7:23).  2 Cor 4:7; Isa 41:25; Isa 64:8 The “iron” represents the foe, those not anointed, who come against and trample them. Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1-3  For those anointed who fall in step with the “iron”, they are no longer molded by God, but by those who rule over them. 
    The “daily sacrifice” is abolished and another form of “sacrifice” is presented by a false priesthood.    Dan 7:31  They are to “worship” an “image” that has been given authority to abolish the “daily sacrifice”/fruit of their lips.  Heb 13:15;Rev 13:15; Dan 11:31 ; 2 Thess 2:4
    Can you see what I’m getting at?  The last power of Daniel’s image has nothing to do with the political entities that the Wt. tries to have you believe.  In fact, they will confuse you, by applying different terms to both Daniel’s fourth beast and Revelation’s Wild Beast of Rev. 13:1  The Wt. uses its own worldly supposition to explain Daniel’s fourth beast of iron and clay, without turning to God’s Word that describes who are the clay, and who are the iron. 
    Iron – if “clay” represents God’s anointed ones/spiritual “Israel”, (Rom 2:28,29) “iron” are those spiritual “Gentiles” who rule over them. Lev 20:22,23; Ezek 11:12; Luke 22:25,26:Matt 24:49; Rev 2:9
    This is not to say all “Gentiles” have hearts like iron (Rev 9:9; Ezek 36:26; 11:19; Zech 7:12)  Only those who are thirsty for prominence and power and greed; and also those who refuse to “see” the spiritual manifestation of the coming of Christ.  They are the ones who reject a “new heart” from the Father and Christ.  Ezek 36:26
    The toes of Daniel’s image are those “kings of the earth”/clay (Dan 2:41,42) that align with Revelation’s Beast and bring the Harlot/false prophet down; then rule for “one hour” with Revelation’s Wild Beast.  Rev 1:6,5;5:9,10; John 18:36; Rev 19:16; 17:12-14; Dan 2:44
    Literally, the GB will be ousted, and certain anointed ones (“10 kings”) will coordinate with spiritual “Gentiles” to keep the organization running without the GB – but only for “one hour”, a brief period of time.
    All “kings” of the world will be gone when Daniel’s image is destroyed by the fulfilled true Mount Zion; but first and foremost, are those “kings/anointed ones of the earth” (Rev 1:5;5:10;19:16) whose clay has hardened into iron. 
    The last anointed ones face Satan’s most deceptive “different” and “fearsome” power, the “fourth beast/Wild Beast”. If they give in to this power over them, they will not be among the small remnant that will survive.  Rev 12:17,15; Dan 11:10; Isa 24:6; Rev 20:9,10; Dan 7:9-11
    "This is what he said: 'The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, different from all the other kingdoms. It will devour the whole earth, trample it down, and crush it.”  Dan 7:23
    I am sure you are aware of the various quotes on the JW website about anointed ones needing to respect the elder body, not “meet” to study the Bible together, that they have no more Holy Spirit than the elder body, and that many scriptures that would apply to the anointed priesthood is applied to….the elder body.  They are guarded by hawks, and if they step out of line, they are disfellowshipped; which leads them, hopefully to salvation in Christ. Rev 3:18; Mal 3:2,3 This also applies to those “Gentiles” that truly cannot stand hypocrisy and lies as well.  John 16:2; Rev 12:11; 13:15
    “He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
    Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
    And shall intend to change times and law.
    Then the saints shall be given into his hand
    For a time and times and half a time. 2 Thess 2:1-12
    26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
    And they shall take away his dominion,
    To consume and destroy it forever.
    27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
    And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
    Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
    His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
    And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’  Dan 7:25-27
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Cos in "Cult Mentality"   
    I also went to a Catholic school as did my siblings; and then was shunned because my mother pulled me out in the 6th grade to attend a different school that gave greater variety of classes.  Amid rulers slapped over the wrists, pulled hair by the nuns, and the highbrow looks my father received for his meager donations from a family with little money, he did not deter from his devotion as a Catholic.   During a brief time during these years, a JW was making calls on my mother regularly, until his suggestive looks, actions and comments sent him packing.
    These two religions, as well as all centralized religions share the same characteristics that I do see in the points above.  The Catholic church has relaxed its standards, but not so the Watchtower which has only tightened the reigns.  I scrutinized the list to make sure it compared to the reality…of the Watchtower.  Perhaps because I have run the whole gamut, I clearly see how all points apply.
    Jesus said true worshipers of God will worship in Spirit and truth, and that no earthly “mountain” is the source of our worship. This means no centralized religion within this world can receive God’s favor; except the only “organization” that He himself instituted; the anointed Body of Christ and authentic Temple of God.  John 4:21-24; 1Cor.3:16; 1Pet.2:5,9-10; Eph.2:20-22
    "Just because all prostitutes wear shoes ... does not mean that everyone who wears shoes are prostitutes."
    But their companionship can bring a man to ruin.  Prov 5:1-20; 6:26; Jer 14:14-16; Rev 18:4-8
    “Pure and undefiled religion before God the Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself unstained from the world.”  James 1:27
    These are well done videos that I shared here a few years ago.  Someone  may find them enlightening.
    The Channel of God Part 1 The Walsh Trial Jehovah's Witnesses   
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TLbffsuyz0&t=845s
    Channel of God P2 Simple Brotherhood to Centralized Authority Jehovah's Witnesses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTL2CFl7434
    The Channel of God P3 From Simple Brotherhood to Centralized Authority Jehovah's Witnesses
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpEHVaMn9Ok
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Jack Ryan in Elders’ Training Videos for 2018: Pioneering is Just a Title, a Reward and a Punishment   
    Recently some secret “eldersÂ’ training videos” that are going to be used for the 2018 Kingdom Ministry School of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses were leaked online. One particular video was very disturbing; it showed a skit of three elders discussing what the religion calls “regular pioneers.” These are persons who spend a high amount of time in the preaching and proselytizing work of JehovahÂ’s Witnesses; in 2018, these pioneers were required to report a total of 840 hours for the year, equaling 70 hours per month.
    The elders, in this demonstration, are discerning if three such pioneers in their congregation should be allowed to remain as pioneers, as each one has failed to meet that hourly requirement for the past year.

    Despite this outright instruction to think of themselves as equals, Jehovah’s Witnesses and their elders dole out this position of pioneer, blatantly elevating it above other “publishers,” or congregation members. This is demonstrated when the men in the skit read a letter sent to all elders, dated May 1, 2017, which discusses how to handle various scenarios of pioneers who cannot meet their hours. The letter notes that a person could be considered an “infirm pioneer,” if they felt that removing the person from the pioneer ranks would be a “backward step” for them:

    This point, that being a pioneer elevates you above the rest of the congregation, is emphasized again in that same letter, when it separates and divides the everyday congregants or publishers from these pioneers:

    Obviously, to this woman and those whom she represents in this skit, the preaching work itself is not of importance; itÂ’s having a special title that says youÂ’re doing more than the next person thatÂ’s the real priority.
    The elders sitting in a room, judging and critiquing pioneers or any congregation member without them present, about any subject, is disturbing enough. However, this video also demonstrates that pioneering is not about how effective you are in preaching and teaching, and it’s not about fulfilling any command given by Jesus, or about the people you might be helping. This title of pioneer is about just that; the title. It’s given to those who toe the company line and is taken away from those who are struggling, in order to elevate some above the congregation and then put others in their place. This harsh judging and critiquing of such ones shows that the preaching work of Jehovah’s Witnesses shouldn’t be called “field service,” but should just be called what it is; self-service.
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