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    Witness got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Scripture supports this "idiom".
    "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord."  Jer 23:16
    The entire 'fish' has stunk before, and it can again.
     Moreover the Lord says:
    “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty,
    And walk with outstretched necks
    And wanton eyes,
    Walking and mincing as they go,
    Making a jingling with their feet,
    Therefore the Lord will strike with a scab
    The crown of the head of the daughters of Zion,
    And the Lord will uncover their secret parts.”
     In that day the Lord will take away the finery:
    The jingling anklets, the scarves, and the crescents;
     The pendants, the bracelets, and the veils;
     The headdresses, the leg ornaments, and the headbands;
    The perfume boxes, the charms,
     and the rings;
    The nose jewels,
     the festal apparel, and the mantles;
    The outer garments, the purses,
     and the mirrors;
    The fine linen, the turbans, and the robes.
     And so it shall be:
    Instead of a sweet smell there will be a stench;
    Instead of a sash, a rope;
    Instead of well-set hair, baldness;
    Instead of a rich robe, a girding of sackcloth;
    And branding instead of beauty.
     Your men shall fall by the sword,
    And your mighty in the war.
     Her gates shall lament and mourn,
    And she being desolate shall sit on the ground.  Isa 3:16-26
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Zion   
    In the northern hemisphere, we are an the end of the harvest season, before the winter cold sets in.  The markets have moved from emphasis on greens, to the bright colors of local pumpkins, winter squash and the multiple varieties of apples.  In our own little garden, two small boys planted two small hills of pumpkins in the late spring.  Each boy was given three pumpkin seeds that they carefully planted in their designated hill, patting the soil with care and hope, for a productive harvest. Once sprouted, only two vines were allowed to grow on each hill. 
     As summer went by, the vines from both hills entangled together, and glossy large leaves hid any possibility of identifying the ownership of the pumpkins that grew.  Not until the leaves dried and fell off the vine, did they realize that their earlier perception of which hill grew which pumpkin, had been wrong. We followed the source of the vines and were surprised that the hill which seemed to produce the majority of the small harvest of pumpkins had only produced one. 
    “Two” symbolizes truth in the scriptures. John 8:17  Two ‘hills’ or ‘mountains’ are present during this time of the end, each purporting to speak truth; each pronouncing that Christ’s final harvest is upon us, and each declaring an ingathering of righteous hearted ones.   One is a counterfeit of the other.  The “mountainlike organization” known as the Watchtower, teaches it has ‘harvested’ people unto Christ…should we guess, since its inception? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8%3A17&version=CSB
    Wt. 2001/7/15, pp 10-15 -  In an article entitled “Anointed to Preach,” Zion’s Watch Tower of July/August 1881 said: “The preaching of the good news . . . is going on ‘to the meek’—those willing and able to hear, in order to develop from among them the body of Christ, the joint heirs.” God’s HARVEST WORKERS often met people as these were leaving church services and gave them tracts containing Scriptural messages designed to evoke a favorable response in deserving ones. After a reappraisal of the effectiveness of this method of witnessing, the Watch Tower of May 15, 1903, urged harvest workers to distribute the tracts “from house to house, on Sunday forenoons.
    The “good news” of 1881 expressed Armageddon’s arrival in 1914; thus, it had to be placed somewhere in the Watchtower’s annals that the harvest of the end of the age, had changed.
    From “God’s Kingdom Rules”, chapter 9:
    “The same order of events is seen in Jesus’ parable about the harvest of the wheat, where he states: “The harvest is a conclusion of a system of things.” Thus, the HARVEST SEASON and the conclusion of this system of things BEGAN at the same time—in 1914.” 
    Rather confusing, isn’t it? Were the harvest workers in 1881 bringing the true message from God?  Do you struggle to believe BOTH recent publications printed since the year 2,000?
    As said, there are two opposing “mountains” during the time of the end – the true “Zion” and the counterfeit.  Watchtower will boast,
    “THE WONDERS ABOUT JEHOVAH’S ORGANIZATION, OR “ZION” AND THE TRUTH ABOUT THE SPIRITUAL PARADISE MUST BE JOYFULLY PASSED ON “TO FUTURE GENERATIONS.” Wt. 15/7/15 pp. 7-11
    God’s definition of Zion is far different than the Watchtower promotes. Daughter Zion is not an organization, nor does it refer to every “Jehovah’s Witness”.  It refers to “chosen” people who, if faithful will serve God and Christ eternally as “priests and kings” in God’s Kingdom, and are the spiritual descendants of Jacob and the dwelling of God’s Temple.  The end harvest is directed toward the anointed under the New Covenant promise, followed by their brethren that reside with them.  Both are found on the counterfeit “mountain”, the Watchtower Organization.  Zech 4:6,7; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Gal 4:26; 1 Cor 15:23
    I noticed as the garden’s growing season progressed, I was continually plucking off diseased and rotten fruit, hoping to promote a healthier harvest of pumpkins.  Spiritually, we are “harvested” by the deep set intentions of our heart, known only to God and Jesus. If we choose to live in the “diseased” and spiritually “famished” environment of the Watchtower, we are rejected as unworthy for eternal life in God’s Kingdom. Matt 13:18-23; Heb 4:12 
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Zech+4%3A6%2C7%3B+Isa+43%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+Gal+4%3A26%3B+1+Cor+15%3A23%3B+Matt+13%3A18-23%3B+Heb+4%3A12++&version=CSB
    “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God,
    “That I will send a famine on the land,
    Not a famine of bread,
    Nor a thirst for water,
    But of hearing the words of the Lord.”  Amos 8:11
     “Thus the Lord God showed me: Behold, a basket of summer fruit.  And He said, “Amos, what do you see?”
    So I said, “A basket of summer fruit.”
    Then the Lord said to me:
    “The end has come upon My people Israel;
    I will not pass by them anymore.
     And the songs of the temple
    Shall be wailing in that day,”
    Says the Lord God—
    “Many dead bodies everywhere,
    They shall be thrown out in silence.”  Amos 8:1-3
    The Temple today are the anointed in Christ, who are ZION and spiritual “Israel”.  Amos wrote these words concerning the idol worship established by Jeroboam in Samaria (meaning “watch tower”/”watch mountain”) during his prosperous reign.  No doubt the nation was convinced they still worshiped God, through their calf idols. Jeroboam was successful in directing the people’s worship away from the true temple in Jerusalem, and the people didn’t question his authority. This is the same tactic used today in the organization.  1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17;2 Cor 6:16; Rom 2:29; Acts 17:24 
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%2C10%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%2C17%3B2+Cor+6%3A16%3B+Rom+2%3A29%3B+Acts+17%3A24++&version=CSB
    Watchtower asks, “Are we going to remain loyal to Jehovah AND (along with) his organization?”  Wt 02/4/1
    The true Mount “Zion” is not an idea manufactured within the minds and hearts of false prophets, such as the golden calves Jeroboam positioned at the far reaches of his empire. 1 Kings 12:28-31  It is within the hearts of those God has chosen as his “occupied home”; his “dwelling”.  1 John4:13; 2 Tim 1:14; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom.8:9  
    We are all facing the culmination of the harvest. If our love for God is heartfelt and sincere, and we desire to serve him with our whole heart, mind and soul, we are to gather at the authentic, spiritual Mount Zion and God’s sanctuary.  Mark 12:33
    Please, JWs, don’t be fooled by the apparent beauty and appeal of the Watchtower, which is manifested in Satan’s world.  His creative and alluring deception will be stripped bare, while the true Zion will fill the earth with God’s glory.  Rev 8:8,9;21:1-4
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Kings+12%3A28-31%3B+1+John4%3A13%3B+2+Tim+1%3A14%3B+1+Cor+3%3A16%3B+Rom.8%3A9%3B+Mark+12%3A33%3B+Rev+8%3A8%2C9%3B21%3A1-4+++&version=CSB
    The following is from Pearl Doxsey's article, "The Rise of Zion"  (4 woman in the wilderness)
    2 IN THE LAST DAYS (2Tim.3:1,5,7-8; Matt.24:3; Rev.1:10)
    the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
        as the highest of the mountains;
    it will be exalted above the hills,
        and ALL NATIONS WILL STREAM TO IT.
    3 Many peoples will come and say,
    “Come, let us go up to THE MOUNTAIN OF THE LORD
    (Isa.56:7; 2Pet.1:18; Zech.8:2-3; Joel3:17; Rev.14:1),
    to the TEMPLE (1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16; Eph.2:20-22,10) of the God of JACOB (Isa.10:20-21).
    He will teach us his ways (Matt.28:20; Mal.2:7),
    so that we may walk IN HIS PATHS.” 
    (Isa.30:21; 40:3; 11:16; Mal.3:1; 4:5-6; Matt.17:11,3,2; Mal.4:1-3; Rev.1:16)
    The law will go out FROM ZION (Ps.110:2; Rev.14:1,3; 1Cor.14:15; 4:1; Rev.5:9,10; Isa.48:20),
    the word of the Lord FROM JERUSALEM (Rev.21:2,3; 3:12).
    4 HE WILL JUDGE BETWEEN THE NATIONS AND WILL SETTLE DISPUTES FOR MANY PEOPLES.
    (Luke12:51; 1Cor.11:18-19; 4:5; 13:10; Rev.1:1; John16:13,8; Ps.94:21; Rev.6:9,11; 13:15,7) 
    (Rev.20:11-13; John12:48; Matt.12:36-37; 15:11; 1Cor.3:13-14; 2Cor.5:10; 1Cor.13:10; John16:13; Rev.22:6; Mal.3:1)
    They will beat their swords into plowshares
        and their spears into pruning hooks.
    Nation will not take up sword against nation (Rev.17:14; 16:13-16; Matt.24:7,21; Joel2:2,1; Rev.9:7,9,16; 2Cor.10:3-5; Dan.12:7; Rev.6:11;Rom.6:5),
    nor will they train for war anymore.
    5 Come, DESCENDANTS OF JACOB (Acts2:39; Deut.6:6-8; 1Cor.4:15),
    LET US WALK IN THE LIGHT OF THE LORD.  Isa 2:1-5
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Shiwiii in Idolatry   
    The picture below was posted by a JW on pinterest.  Frequently, the organization warns against idolatry; yet the most diabolical form of idolatry goes unnoticed - reverence given an earthly organization.
    Quote from the Watchtower 05/8/15 p. 31:
    “Jehovah God’s GLORY directly lights up this ORGANIZATION, just as the Shechinah cloud illuminated the Most Holy.” 
    Isa 42:8
    I am YHWH, that is My name;
    I will NOT give my GLORY to ANOTHER
    Or My praise to IDOLS. 
     
     KR Book chapter 20, pp. 209-219:
    “Their work brings PRAISE to Jehovah and his ORGANIZATION.”
    Isa 42:8, again:
    I am YHWH, that is My name;
    I will NOT give my GLORY to ANOTHER
    Or My PRAISE to IDOLS. 
     
    “Little children, keep yourselves from IDOLS. Amen.”  1 John 5:21
     
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Oh, that certainly explains why the title of this topic even exists.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Unless it can benefit them in Russia.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Scripture supports this "idiom".
    "Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart, Not from the mouth of the Lord."  Jer 23:16
    The entire 'fish' has stunk before, and it can again.
     Moreover the Lord says:
    “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty,
    And walk with outstretched necks
    And wanton eyes,
    Walking and mincing as they go,
    Making a jingling with their feet,
    Therefore the Lord will strike with a scab
    The crown of the head of the daughters of Zion,
    And the Lord will uncover their secret parts.”
     In that day the Lord will take away the finery:
    The jingling anklets, the scarves, and the crescents;
     The pendants, the bracelets, and the veils;
     The headdresses, the leg ornaments, and the headbands;
    The perfume boxes, the charms,
     and the rings;
    The nose jewels,
     the festal apparel, and the mantles;
    The outer garments, the purses,
     and the mirrors;
    The fine linen, the turbans, and the robes.
     And so it shall be:
    Instead of a sweet smell there will be a stench;
    Instead of a sash, a rope;
    Instead of well-set hair, baldness;
    Instead of a rich robe, a girding of sackcloth;
    And branding instead of beauty.
     Your men shall fall by the sword,
    And your mighty in the war.
     Her gates shall lament and mourn,
    And she being desolate shall sit on the ground.  Isa 3:16-26
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD DOWN -Idioms
    Meaning
    It refers to failing organizations and how the blame of it should be on its ‘head’ that is its leadership.
    :)) I am not from Turkey, hahah, but not also far away (cca 1800 km). 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    If one elder see himself as,not feel he can do so, or not capable, or not fit to catch himself with issue, or not with same thoughts as Company - then would be honestly from him to step away from such position.
    Also, elders are not ordinary members of church.
    And on - "but anyone else can". No they can not because "anyone else" have not "privileged informations". 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Last sentence would comment.
    Bible revealed "mandatory reporting" on its pages. And WT GB very clearly explaining that to its members, to all JW around the World. Anna, you for sure know many bible verses about that and how WT publications interpretations on such issue must be, have be practiced, enforced in all JW congregations.
    So, as i see things, G. Jackson just looking for excuses in front ARC.  Here is what was also been said in ARC:
    "Mr Geoffrey Jackson agreed that all policies of the JehovahÂ’s Witness organisation are subject to scriptural principles and that the Governing Body approves all policies to ensure that they are in keeping with the Scriptures.96
    Branch offices around the world, including the Australia Branch Office,99 may write articles for the Awake! and The Watchtower publications, but the articles must be submitted to the Governing BodyÂ’s Writing Committee for approval.100
    Mr Jackson and Mr Toole told the Royal Commission that Branch Offices may adjust policy letters issued by the Governing Body to reflect the requirements of local laws.101 Mr Jackson said that it would be unusual for a Branch Office to publish its own manual or guidelines on responding to allegations of child sexual abuse.102 From at least the 1990s, under the direction of the Governing Body,103 the Australia Branch Office has periodically issued directives in the form of letters addressed to all bodies of elders providing instruction on how to respond to allegations of child sexual abuse.104"
    Current policy on child sexual abuse
    Mr Spinks told the Royal Commission that the current polices of the JehovahÂ’s Witness organisation for dealing with an allegation of child sexual abuse are outlined in:105
    • the Bible (the English edition published by the Jehovah’s Witness organisation is the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)
    • the current elders’ handbook, Shepherd the Flock of God106
    • Jehovah’s Witness organisation publications available to all congregants approaching baptism,107 such as Organized to Do Jehovah’s Will108
    • guidelines issued by the Governing Body to all branch offices in August 2013 on how Service Desks should field questions from elders about child abuse matters109
    • letters sent to all bodies of elders – in particular, the letter of 1 October 2012,110 which consolidated into one letter the spiritual advice and guidance provided in various letters from preceding years as to how Jehovah’s Witnesses handle allegations of child abuse111
    • The Watchtower magazine article entitled ‘Let Us Abhor What is Wicked’, published in January 1997, which clarifies in biblical terms the principles a congregation should have regard to in considering how a ‘child molester’ should be viewed and treated.112
    SO BY THIS I WOULD MAKE THIS CONCLUSION;
     DID NOT WT CORPORATION (HQ) BEEN AWARE FOR DECADES ABOUT LAW MANDATORY REPORTING OR NOT REPORTING, NOT ONLY IN AUSTRALIA BUT AROUND THE WORLD'?? IN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE WT COMPANY OPERATE??
    AND BECAUSE WT JWORG IS UNIFIED,  IN UNITY AND UNIQUE  AS  GOD'S ORGANIZATION, UNDER THE SAME SPIRIT, AND HAVE SAME TEACHINGS, DOCTRINES AND INSTRUCTIONS AROUND THE WORLD - THEN WHY GB NOT HAVE THE SAME  PROTOCOL AND PRINCIPLES AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR ELDERS IN EVERY SINGLE CONGREGATION AND FOR AVERY BRO AND SIS IN THERE'?? IN ONE COUNTRY ELDERS WILL REPORT AND IN OTHER NOT ??????????????
    G. JACKSON WAS INSTRUCTED BA LAWYERS WHAT AND HOW TO TESTIMONY. HE WAS NOT GUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT.
    Sorry for big letters. Nothing bad,  no angry mood, just to accent    
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    GB doing this periodically with excuses/explanation how "new light get brighter", was came on them and because that they changed teaching... and they, GB, literally using words how they not understand something in the past....but  now they do. "Now" will last to another changing of doctrine. 
    Is reasoning (rationale) in your sentence possible to apply on GB? :)))
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower Lawyer speaking in US Congres commission - picture   
    This picture and text about purpose for meeting is proof in a series of evidence about the relationship between religion (particularly JW religion) and politics. 
    Now we have at least two possibility.
    In first one, JW member (if somehow come to this and similar info) maybe will try to explain to self that it is fine that brother try to do best in "defending and legally establishing of the good news" - no problem if he must for that noble goal "sitting in the same table with devil" and his human servants.  
    In second, after hearing or reading such material, mental condition occurs in JW member (or anyone else) which negates reality. Facts, evidence, reality - says one but rooted idea, faith in that what they taught to him, rejecting the possibility that he or his teachers (scholars, catechists) are in the wrong. That mind state calls cognitive dissonance. This disease is sometimes incurable.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    This will help:
    http://avoidjw.org/en/changes/child-abuse-policy-comparison/
    On August 1 2016, Jehovah’s Witnesses made a worldwide release of a Child Abuse policy letter to all Bodies of Elders. This letter is to replace the October 1 2012 letter. But what are the main differences between these two letters? Here is a comparison of both letters. Text in blue are notations from avoidjw.org to assist in your comparison of the letters.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    This will help:
    http://avoidjw.org/en/changes/child-abuse-policy-comparison/
    On August 1 2016, Jehovah’s Witnesses made a worldwide release of a Child Abuse policy letter to all Bodies of Elders. This letter is to replace the October 1 2012 letter. But what are the main differences between these two letters? Here is a comparison of both letters. Text in blue are notations from avoidjw.org to assist in your comparison of the letters.
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in God's House   
    fine article. people need roof for shelter and for growing up family and to meet together for this or that.
    But to making "consecration", "dedication"  of breaks and walls and parking lots is crazy idea. 
    People need some reason to socialize, to meet together, to eat and drink, to talk. And if that reason must be finished buildings works, let be. But what is the benefit from that if doctrines  making people spiritually stupid and manipulated and departs from main Jesus teachings.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in God's House   
    In the JW October Broadcast, an assembly hall in the United States is referenced as “Jehovah’s House”. They make the comparison of the early temple maintenance, to the care of the “773 assembly halls worldwide”. It goes into detail how this is accomplished, and John 2:17 is used to support it, which says “Zeal for your house will consume me.” These words were consistently used during the segment, convincing JWs of the obligation to maintain “Jehovah’s house”. Such blasphemy and irony. Jesus was incensed that the early temple had become a “house of merchandise”, which is no different than any convention or assembly by the Watchtower, by setting the goal for donations ahead of time. What a strange twist of a lie.

    But, the grave sin resulting from this Watchtower lie is that we see again, God’s Temple/dwelling/house has been abused through a corrupt source of spiritual commodity. The anointed priesthood has been forced to “buy and sell” "spiritual food" only what a wicked slave has determined. Yet, also God’s Word has been deliberately bypassed by the false prophet/beast of the earth, which gives proof there is NO OTHER TEMPLE OR “HOUSE” than the anointed Body of Christ. 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:11,15-17 The Watchtower has convinced the anointed and their brethren to worship a composite idol – the organization and all of its material holdings. 
    “And his disciples remembered that it is written: Zeal for your house will consume me.
    18 So the Jews replied to him, “What sign will you show us for doing these things?”
    19 Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it up in three days.”
    20 Therefore the Jews said, “This temple took forty-six years to build, and will you raise it up in three days?”
    21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 So when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the statement Jesus had made. John 2:17-22

    I am so amazed how the Watchtower can cherry-pick one scripture, and twist it so tightly into a shiny new lie. Can Jesus’ words to the woman at the well be dismissed, when he said God is seeking for such ones to worship only in “spirit and truth”?  1 Pet 1:25; Isa 40:3-8
    Keeping in mind that the broadcast is comparing meeting buildings to the early temple where God’s spirit once dwelled (God’s house) and where worship to God was given, notice what the Watchtower says,
    wp 16  No. 2 pp. 8-10 - “The Jewish temple was a tangible structure at a specific geographic location. But spirit and truth are not material, nor are they limited to any physical place. Thus, Jesus was explaining that true Christian worship would not be centered in or dependent on any material structure or physical location, whether Mount Gerizim, the temple in Jerusalem, or any other sacred place.
    How, then, should Christians view pilgrimages to and worship at shrines? Taking into account Jesus’ command that true worshippers worship God with spirit and truth, it is clear that worship rendered at any shrine or sacred place has no special value to our heavenly Father. Additionally, the Bible tells us how God views the veneration of idols in worship. It says: “Flee from idolatry” and “guard yourselves from idols.” (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21) Therefore, a true Christian would not worship at any place that is viewed as holy in itself or one that encourages idolatry. Thus, on account of the very nature of shrines, true Christians refrain from worshipping at them.”
    SHRINE – “any structure or place consecrated or devoted to some saint, holy person, or deity, as an altar, chapel, church, or temple.”
    Watchtower’s definition of “God’s House”/Temple are meeting places - shrines.  God’s definition is the Body of Christ.
    Pearl Doxsey 4womaninthewilderness:
    “It was asserted to me, that it is important for Christians to gather in some sort of church structure. I offer some scriptural considerations, about that thought.... Regarding buildings, Jesus' own apostles commented on the buildings that were at the center of the true God's worship. Just after Jesus proclaimed his breaking ties with the organization of his day (Matt.23:38-39), his apostles appealed to him to reconsider, by saying..., "Look Lord. what wonderful stones and buildings, and offerings dedicated to God! He said, 6 “Do you see these things? The days will come when there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” (Matt.24:1-2; Mark13:1; Luke21:5-6). What building could exist, more fitting for worship, than the Temple in Jerusalem, while God's covenant with the Jews was still in force? Of it, Jesus also said; "Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days." (John2:19). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
    Would God's new place of dwelling with the people, be physical? Acts7:48 reads; ""However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands". The new Temple dwelling of God, that would be raised up in the Body of Christ, would not be physical. The new Temple for worship, and "place of prayer for all nations", would be his "Body". Please consider how the next two scriptures, impact that concept... "Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it." (1Cor.12:27) -- "Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?" (1Cor.3:16).
    Connected to God's presence and dwelling among mankind, Rev.21:3 reads; "And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.". If we consider ourselves "God's people", and ascribe import to the existence of His genuine dwelling... would we not want to give it more significance than a literal building of mortar and wood? Of such things, Jesus said they were all due to pass away. But the Temple OF HEAVEN (Acts7:44; Heb.8:5; 12:22-24), provides treasure for us that will never pass away, if we store up in our heart, what is genuine.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
    Just previous to Rev.21:3 (which speaks of the presence of God's genuine Temple with men), verse 2 reads; "And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man." "NEW JERUSALEM" contains the New Temple, referred to by Christ. Just as a husband and wife become one flesh... "so that they are no longer two, but one"... New Jerusalem (the "bride prepared for her husband"), has become "one spirit with Christ" (1Cor.6:17) and one Spiritual body with him (1Cor.12:27), as God's Temple, with mankind.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
    If we believe that a physical building has any significance or impact, regarding our salvation and connection to God and Christ... are we really perceiving the significance of what these foregoing scriptures, reveal? It can be summed up by a conversation Jesus had, in John, chapter 4:
    "The woman said to him, “Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
    But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John4:19-21,23-24).
    So... no mention of a location, a particular religion, or any sort of physical building. 
    "Spirit and Truth". From where can spirit and truth be found? God's spirit and truth, are put inside the "living stones" of His Temple (1Pet.2:5,9-10; Eph.2:20-22) 
    - "built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit." (Eph 2:20-22)
    "He set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." (2Cor.1:22)
    "But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth." (1John2:20)
    "the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you." (John14:17).
    Rev.5:9-10 speaks of those who are God's Temple priesthood, bought by the blood of Christ. As Heb.8:5 stated, the original physical tabernacle which Moses erected under God's direction, was built and patterned according to the heavenly one to come. It was to be a perfect reflection of the spiritual reality, expressed in physical terms. Of the original priesthood, Mal.2:7 reads; "For the lips of a priest should guard knowledge, and people should seek instruction from his mouth, for he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts." As brought out by Rev.5:9-10... Christ has a priesthood over which he is high priest.   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/…
    Should we not seek out that Genuine Temple of God, rather than give value to a building made by human hands, where "moth and rust, consume"?
    "Now the point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest, one who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister in the holy places, in the true tent that the Lord set up, not man." (Heb.8:1-2)
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    you are absolutely right, it is controversial for those who are not able to see  
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    Witness reacted to Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Well, at this point I definitely think JWs can throw out that old line "Look at those wicked Catholic Churches with their child abusing priests!"
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    Witness reacted to Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    Kind of confused how this is a "controversial topic." It's literally real, ongoing news.
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    Witness reacted to Shiwiii in Why a luxury compound?   
    you're asking something too rational my friend, that was taken away by the gb long ago.....remember? 
    "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not."--- November, 2013 Watchtower
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    Witness got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    @Gnosis Pithos, 
    I must ask you, if I posted just one scripture, or one quote from the Watchtower and nothing else, would you give it a down vote, simply because I posted it?  
    You are basically down voting words of your own organization.  Is that your intention?
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    Witness got a reaction from Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    I agree with most all that you are saying, except many children are abused by a parent; a parent they thought they could trust.  Also, I was abused as a girl by someone in the extended family. Because my parents thought so highly of the individual, I never had the heart to tell them of my abuse that lasted years, even though I had an especially close bond with my father.  They died not knowing the sordid truth about my abuser.
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in Why a luxury compound?   
    Yet, that is what the Watchtower has enforced, when it reminds individuals:
    "Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by baptism in water? If you have, that is wonderful! Do you remember when the brother giving the baptism talk asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”?  Wt 4/2017
    And what the most recent second baptism question requires:
    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."
    The questions you answered to publicly are found in the Wt 1944, 2/1 p. 44
    Thank new light for the condensing down and filtering out the important elements of the two questions asked of you, to:
    "On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?"
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    Yes, I was, until I realized that worshiping God requires only one “mark” on our spiritual forehead, the source of our spiritual thoughts and actions – the mark of God.  
    Baptism questions:
    "The first question is:
    On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? 

    The second is:
    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."
    “Don’t you know that if you offer yourselves to someoneas obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey—either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?”  Rom 6:16
    From “What You Vow You Pay”  Wt. 4/2017
     Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by baptism in water? If you have, that is wonderful! Do you remember when the brother giving the baptism talk asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”?  
    Where in the scriptures are we required to dedicate ourselves to an organization?  It certainly can’t be found in these words of Jesus:
     "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,  teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you."
    What I find alarming, is that the Holy Spirit is not addressed in the baptism questions; but a “spirit-directed organization” replaces it; the work of a false prophet.  Rev 13:15-17  Obviously, Jesus' command to heed his words are ignored by the organization.  
    Our vow is only to God and Christ. 
    “Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him were 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.”  Rev 14:1
    Gal 1:10; Rev 13:16,8,17
    “When you make a vow to God, don’t delay fulfilling it, because he does not delight in fools. Fulfill what you vow.”  Eccl 5:4
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    The word “substituting” was added by the NWT.  It isn't found in the Greek Interlinear.   An ambassador acts as a representative.  There is difference.  Also, every anointed one is to “represent” Jesus through their teachings in harmony with his.  John 13:20; John 15:4  The GB have fully usurped Christ’s Headship, and demand obedience from the rest of the anointed ones.  Matt 24:48-51 So, yes, “substituting“ is a good descriptive term for them; they have become “Christ” for a day, or so they think so.  Of course, it has been said, many other anointed ones are a bit “wacky”; most likely from drinking the “Harlot’s” intoxicating brew. Rev 17:1,2  Maybe they don’t deserve a place they can call “home”? 
    Do you remember Eoin, when all anointed ones were referred to as the "faithful and discreet slave", even though that is still Christ's judgment call?  Luke 19:17
    Why not?  Jesus said, “my kingdom is not part of this world” 18:36
     What about God’s Kingdom? 
    “Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.”  2 Pet 3:13
    Because Jesus said nothing built within the earth was needed to worship in spirit and truth.  John 4:21-14
    “So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.”  2 Cor 4:18
    Acts points out that God is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything.  Acts 17:24,25
    2 Tim 4:3
    The “preaching” began in Jesus day.  In 2,000 years, the Bible made its way around most the world with no problem. During that time there were anointed ones walking the earth with truth in their mouth. Matt 25:14-23; Mal 2:7  Within only the last 100 years, the organization has taken on what they believe is the true "preaching work". Today, the final preaching work is to spiritual “Israel”, who have been captivated through a false preaching work, driven by lies and man's greed.  Matt 10:23; 2 Tim 3:1-9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
    The “suitable premises” that initiates God’s work is within the righteous hearts, and where Mount Zion is found.  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:22-24
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;  but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
    “Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.  And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”   Rev 8:8,9
    Outside of the “mountainlike organization” come the final living stones to finish off God’s Temple – not from within.  Rev 16:12; Rev 11:1-3; Zech 4:7-10; Rev 7:13,14; Rev 5:9,10
     A composite Master has been developed to rule over people – the organization, the elder body, the GB.  It requires another’s money and identity to remain under this ‘slavery’.  For a false promise of paradise, people “sell” their identity to a corporation, in exchange for the work of their hands.  If one secretly never donates, they are still slaves to fear - fear of the loss of their life as they know it, if they choose to follow the only Master, Jesus Christ.  Matt 10:39; Luke 9:23
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Nana Fofana in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority   
    I agree with most all that you are saying, except many children are abused by a parent; a parent they thought they could trust.  Also, I was abused as a girl by someone in the extended family. Because my parents thought so highly of the individual, I never had the heart to tell them of my abuse that lasted years, even though I had an especially close bond with my father.  They died not knowing the sordid truth about my abuser.
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