Witness

So how do you not understand. The "Christian" testifies to something. The person is a "Witness". @Witness testifies to the situation in WTJWorg and on other things connected to faith in Jesus and Bible.

Whether there is one or eight of them, they are all false prophets.  Each of them has told lies.
(a lie is a doctrine that didn't come true, a prediction that failed, a teaching that never comes to fruition, a teaching that has twisted Christ's words to fit the doctrine of men... for those who struggle with distinguising a lie from truth)
They have even contradicted each other with their teachings just lately.  Each one of their predecessors has told lies. That is the side you’ve chosen, the side of lies.  (Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16) They refuse to recognize the “Elijah” to come, avoiding Matt 17:11 like the plague. And since they no longer designate JWs as a “class” (Jonadab,Ezekiel…), they cannot claim to be the messenger of Mal 3:1. They teach that the meaning of the scrolls in Revelation are not to be revealed until Armageddon is finished; in other words, these demonically inspired men, would never be gifted with reading the scrolls.  (Isa 29:9-16)  This is why Elijah comes, given the understanding of Revelation, which is imperative for God’s holy priesthood to listen to. (Rev 10:11; 18:4-8 )This messenger reveals the identity of the man of lawlessness who tramples the Temple of God, and why it needs to be restored.  (Mal 4:5,6; Rev 11:1-3; 13:5-7,18;2 Thess 2:3,4)
It is not unlike the Father to choose one person to deliver His message to His people, is it, and usually that prophet chosen and his message is rejected by the majority.   Do you believe that Wt’s sins are out of reach of even God?  Has He changed to the point where He will let your unrepentant leaders slide by and be with His Son in the Kingdom, while His own “house” made of “living stones” lies in ruins?  (Dan 8:10,13; 9:27; 11:31,36; Matt 24:15,16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) What is the latest about God’s Temple priesthood?  Are they now ALLOWED to meet together and study the Bible?  Is there new light on that?  No. That “coalition” of anointed ones would be a threat to the eight men who rule over you, since their Head would certainly be Jesus Christ, and not the eight liars.  Recently, did you notice how S. Herd said that Christ is the head of your organization, in a tone that dropped several octaves, to the point where it was barely audible?  It seems pretty obvious that he doesn’t believe it himself. 
I read this quote earlier today that applies to the eight:
“We know they are lying, they also know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we also know they know we know, and yet they continue to lie”.  (Solzhenitsyn)
False prophets don’t wear a label that says, “I am a false prophet”.  This is why Jesus said to test their teachings. He gave us instructions to do so, it’s up to each JW to put it into practice.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16) And he specifically said that the "elect" would be deceived by them in the last days.  (Matt 24:24,25)   The eight know who Pearl is and what she teaches…about them. Interestingly, they have used phrases from her articles and teach them to you.  How dare they, right?  Why would they use the teachings of not only a woman, but of a "despicable apostate"?
The question to ask is what God do you worship anyway? The exacting God who demands exclusive devotion? Sadly, I don’t think so, Tom.  (Mark 12:30) It appears to be the Watchtower organization which allows its leaders to do exactly what they want.  (Dan 11:38; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
 
 
 
 
 
 

Me?  You've got to be kidding me.  I don't even vote.  But, I do believe the Wt. has political connections, which is my right to believe.
After reading over your initial post about this, it appears that you pulled up a red herring to detract from the grave seriousness of the post; is it because the GB is involved?  For a “truther” you made presumptuous accusations that were all false, groundless. Do you see how you took the actions of two individuals claiming to be JWs that quoted (?) from both the Wt. and my posts on reddit, (?) and accused me of supporting them?  Since when would a JW, unless they are waking up, support both Wt doctrine and my posts, that expose their lies?  
I think you’ve got the picture now, and I don’t expect an apology, but what you’ve basically created is nonsense, and accused me of being connected to an abuser, condoning that person’s actions, as well as being active in politics. 
You had said, "You should be blaming Pearl's followers because they are not mentally sound when they debated me."
Too bad you didn’t get their names!  Perhaps among all the thousands of individuals who anonymously read her posts, we may have recognized one!  What nonsense.  She doesn't keep a record of the names of individuals as the Watchtower does.  
You have done exactly what you always accuse others of doing, not getting the facts straight. I am sorry you had the run-in with those individuals, but there are bigger to fish to fry, which the summons I posted, reveals.
 

I'm trying to find if this is legit as this article doesn't post who wrote it, but if it is true, how despicable, trying to profit off of a genocide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/25/arts/design/jehovahs-witnesses-nazis-lawsuit-museum.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxftm3iWka3DMDmwfiO0PH5PH90rWZKVlINk-3zOFTd9adaAuWPp_1fRSJAlrQhupud6AkYsePiQp7IeuRW4r2tTNQbU8u3fMX1WOFd1elve5rg7Ud3-5G-GEgyh2Og5ioZExc12hxXAKw67aFrMi0811japyGs1wRzkGMCSPuvW-WQ5se4nTNmGq4QE1X-lbWzvBz5XLu_9bLlIkWR-RR2h_4G089NpfJNgTWa3-JBIgc8b_6q4DXi0qdMz6Qs1sGPWH0uliorXPqheTycGpxPlQF69cuLjMtmzSJ09ehVtm0SQcy_KSwfuyYE85&smid=url-share

Whether there is one or eight of them, they are all false prophets.  Each of them has told lies.
(a lie is a doctrine that didn't come true, a prediction that failed, a teaching that never comes to fruition, a teaching that has twisted Christ's words to fit the doctrine of men... for those who struggle with distinguising a lie from truth)
They have even contradicted each other with their teachings just lately.  Each one of their predecessors has told lies. That is the side you’ve chosen, the side of lies.  (Joel 3:14; Rev 16:13-16) They refuse to recognize the “Elijah” to come, avoiding Matt 17:11 like the plague. And since they no longer designate JWs as a “class” (Jonadab,Ezekiel…), they cannot claim to be the messenger of Mal 3:1. They teach that the meaning of the scrolls in Revelation are not to be revealed until Armageddon is finished; in other words, these demonically inspired men, would never be gifted with reading the scrolls.  (Isa 29:9-16)  This is why Elijah comes, given the understanding of Revelation, which is imperative for God’s holy priesthood to listen to. (Rev 10:11; 18:4-8 )This messenger reveals the identity of the man of lawlessness who tramples the Temple of God, and why it needs to be restored.  (Mal 4:5,6; Rev 11:1-3; 13:5-7,18;2 Thess 2:3,4)
It is not unlike the Father to choose one person to deliver His message to His people, is it, and usually that prophet chosen and his message is rejected by the majority.   Do you believe that Wt’s sins are out of reach of even God?  Has He changed to the point where He will let your unrepentant leaders slide by and be with His Son in the Kingdom, while His own “house” made of “living stones” lies in ruins?  (Dan 8:10,13; 9:27; 11:31,36; Matt 24:15,16; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) What is the latest about God’s Temple priesthood?  Are they now ALLOWED to meet together and study the Bible?  Is there new light on that?  No. That “coalition” of anointed ones would be a threat to the eight men who rule over you, since their Head would certainly be Jesus Christ, and not the eight liars.  Recently, did you notice how S. Herd said that Christ is the head of your organization, in a tone that dropped several octaves, to the point where it was barely audible?  It seems pretty obvious that he doesn’t believe it himself. 
I read this quote earlier today that applies to the eight:
“We know they are lying, they also know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we also know they know we know, and yet they continue to lie”.  (Solzhenitsyn)
False prophets don’t wear a label that says, “I am a false prophet”.  This is why Jesus said to test their teachings. He gave us instructions to do so, it’s up to each JW to put it into practice.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16) And he specifically said that the "elect" would be deceived by them in the last days.  (Matt 24:24,25)   The eight know who Pearl is and what she teaches…about them. Interestingly, they have used phrases from her articles and teach them to you.  How dare they, right?  Why would they use the teachings of not only a woman, but of a "despicable apostate"?
The question to ask is what God do you worship anyway? The exacting God who demands exclusive devotion? Sadly, I don’t think so, Tom.  (Mark 12:30) It appears to be the Watchtower organization which allows its leaders to do exactly what they want.  (Dan 11:38; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
 
 
 
 
 
 

Which of you whose servant comes in from plowing or shepherding in the field will say to him, ‘Come at once and sit down to eat’?  Instead, won’t he tell him, ‘Prepare my meal and dress yourself to serve me while I eat and drink; and afterward you may eat and drink’?  Does he thank the servant because he did what he was told?  So you also, when you have done everything commanded of you, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.’ ”  Luke 17:7-10
Does the GB believe they are “unworthy servants” of Christ?  No. Not at all!  Before Christ has made the call, they have announced that they will be reigning with him in the Kingdom. (Matt 25:21)  Eight arrogant men have decided that they are worthy to receive eternal life.  Are they “following” in the footsteps of Christ, or are they creating their own “way” to heaven?
Then Jesus called the crowd and his disciples to him. “If any of you want to come with me,” he told them, “you must forget yourself, carry your cross, and follow me.”  Mark 8:34  GNT
The uninspired GB members who decided to name themselves the "faithful and discreet slave",  do not allow anyone to forget them, especially themselves.  
But we are acting against Jehovah’s purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important.  w 11 7/15
Do you ever contradict what the GB tells you?  Do you ever question their direction?  And if so, do you consider it as "acting against Jehovah's purpose"?  I think every here has questioned their direction, which means that every JW here, is "acting against Jehovah's purpose".
Does anyone here, believe that?  Yes, they are self-assuming, arrogant men who have laid out their salvation before being judged by Jesus Christ.
 
 
 

I am "christsdisciple" not DoC whoever that is.  WE ARE NOT THE SAME.  As "christsdisciple" on reddit, I have nothing to hide.  I am not involved in any accusations that you have made.  I am 66 years old, a housewife who took care of her terminally ill husband 24 hours a day, who eventually passed away.  Whatever you think I have been involved in with the government or other accusations you have up your sleeve, are false.
Who did, and who are YOU on reddit?
What's wrong with being a reddit user?  No one asked me here before if I am a reddit user.  I would have gladly told them that I am.
You ask a lot of questions.  I don't have answer if I don't care to. You are not someone that I need to obey.  I presented the information in two formats for anyone to choose.  This is a sensitive topic for those who have suffered abuse, and I am one of them.
No.  Access to the court case has been available.  Read it if you care to. 
 

Hello SM.  I am not internet savvy and have no idea what you mean by this.
Just want to let you know that the most meaningful comment on this thread that one can learn from, is not yours.  

WHAT IS DoC?  Is that an individual you are saying is me?  I'm sorry, but again you are telling a self-assuming lie.  
Savvy? I just looked up the updated membership of exjw reddit - 71,000.  If you don’t believe that among that many individuals, that there are no valid concerns regarding the organization for me to share, then you are truly a pompous, self-righteous man.

I do not understand. Was Judaism from the time of the ancient patriarchs and the nation of Israel in the time of Moses a true worship? ...... or is it just an exclusive right of Jesus-type Christianity?
"True worship" should not be divided or attributed by the name of the religion (individual/s, organization) and the historical time of the event and existence of a particular religion, or perhaps it should?  
 
And this sounds a bit like the "world started" with the USA and with JW's in this country. I hope it doesn’t end with the USA (Apologies to the citizens of this country if they think this offends them). The example of Cyrus the Great has just been cited that it would not be considered that religious freedom could only have arisen in a country that emerged from 1776 CE. For it could then be argued that not a single true worshiper of God inside one organized religion could have appeared anywhere else in the world but only in an American-type democracy.  
The historical moment when this happened shows that WTJWorg lawyers were dealing with that kind of issue at the time. Today, WTJWorg lawyers have to deal with CSA scandals (tragedies) that happen in the organization. Unfortunately, JW lawyers and JW representatives who come to court are increasingly bringing up untruths and deceptions to defend WTJWorg. Those former JW attorneys had different concerns. The role of WTJWorg's  Legal Department is changing in the USA and other Western countries. What are they defending in the courts? Religious freedom? Truth? Or Company?
 

I can't believe my eyes that a man of your caliber wrote this absurdity.  
quote: Cyrus II of Persia, commonly known as Cyrus the Great, is mentioned as one of those historical figures who allowed different religions to exist in his empire. The Edict of Cyrus is a 539 BCE proclamation by Achaemenid Empire founder Cyrus the Great attested by a cylinder seal of the time. Although the Cyrus Cylinder does not refer directly to the Israelites exiled by Nebuchadnezzar, the edict is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as authorizing and encouraging their return to the land of Israel and the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem.
Freedom of faith and religion is an achievement which existed in some ancient civilizations and is not a novelty of the 20th century. And it is certainly not a merit of WTJWorg.

Hello SM.  I am not internet savvy and have no idea what you mean by this.
Just want to let you know that the most meaningful comment on this thread that one can learn from, is not yours.  

Very serious and shocking subject and accusations. It took me some reading to learn that CSA stands for ‘Child Sexual Abuse’. As a victim of severe Domestic Violence for which my apostate husband was sentenced to six years in State Prison, I see patterns familiar to me in this tragic story.
I preferred reading the 34 pages of charges presented to the Kings County Supreme Court over the verbal summary of the upset woman.
This egregious series of sins has, understandably, caused long-lasting and severe damage to the ‘child’ now responding by means of the Court. I pray that the negligent and severely abusive adults involved get their legal and just reprisal. I am very interested in seeing how King Jesus, who holds the congregations in his hands and views them with eyes of fiery flames (Revelation 1:14-16), chooses to handle this.

This Lego Movie Destroyed the Watchtower!  
"A US federal judge has ruled against Watch Tower Pennsylvania, denying their DMCA subpoena to identify the creator of the Jehovah's Witness parody videos known as "Dubtown.
It's not a secret that during the last two years Watchtower obtained nearly 40 DMCA subpoenas requiring Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, SoundCloud, Scribd, Reddit and other ISPs to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the Society's copyright.
Since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.
But one of the affected users, Kevin McFee contacted, on advice of YouTube's legal team, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), and the Foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely Garvey Schubert Barer.
Motion to quash the subpoena was filed in SDNY. To defend itself against this apostate attack, Watchtower had to hire Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, a top firm in the field of copyright law, one of the six best ones nationwide according to The Legal 500 and one of the seven best ones in NY - according to Chambers.
Motion to quash the subpoena and Watchtower's response were filed in August 2018 but hearing/conference still wasn't scheduled.
On the 18th of January 2022 a US federal judge has ruled against Watch Tower Pennsylvania, denying their DMCA subpoena to identify the creator of the Jehovah's Witness parody videos known as "Dubtown"
This major victory over the Watchtower will hopefully stop them going after every ex jw channel trying to bully them out of existence and more importantly stopping them getting hold of the names and addresses of the creators of these videos.
Of course you know what they do once they get hold of this information , they get in touch with their congregation and make their life hell which could lead to disfellowshiping and fall out with their jw families. The following is part of the ruling signed by Nelson S. Norman, United States District Judge...
See - https://tevangelinos.wixsite.com/jwupdates/post/this-lego-movie-destroyed-the-watchtower
 
The Watchtower organization has for years, promoted their literature to as many people possible.  They have slandered individuals, organizations, political leaders, religions; but anyone who publicly brings their opinions to the world about them, they are hunted down using legal teams and  money donated by JWs.  If this is God's organization, why use the world's legal system and the world's lawyers to fight its battles?  Why not "wait on Jehovah" as its leaders tell its members to do, when injustices are committed within the organization?  
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you."  Luke 6:27-37
 
 
 

In this video, part of the summons is read aloud, as is very graphic.  I'm also giving the link to the documents.
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=T1yAHX0AO9YZ84Iphf0YpA%3D%3D&display=all&courtType=Kings+County+Supreme+Court&resultsPageNum=1
 

The GB are like kids in a candy shop.  They have a plethora of kingdom halls at their disposal. Sounds like they are in the process of trading up real-estate for Ramapo and their mega audio visual center.  
Maybe you need to tell the GB.  As A. Morris just said in his latest video, "“Jehovah’s organization is on the move, and it will not be stopped by the pandemic, or anything else."  If what you say happens, Ramapo may become a money pit.  

Do you remember the organization's slogan for pioneers?  "The Best Life Ever".  Since covid, that "life" was interrupted, the freedom to preach house to house with coffee breaks in between, was stopped.  The same goes for construction on Ramapo. So, I am guessing that the "normal" that JWs would like to see return is their freedom to spread their news, and build Ramapo.    The interesting thing is, 1914 was to signify the "day of the Lord".  That "day" to come upon "Israel" according to scripture, would be the farthest thing from the "best life ever".  Amos 5:16-25; Luke 17:27-30
 
 
 

Anyone can take comfort in the Bible's promises, but there is no comfort derived from the doctrine of men; and the two, the scriptures and men's fabricated stories, are not to be mixed.  (2 Cor 6:14; 2 Pet 2:1-19)  For those who sold their houses and prepared for Armageddon to arrive in 1975...did they take comfort in realizing they were told a lie?  What happened after that date, to the membership number?  It plunged by almost 51,000 members when 1977 arrived.  Why?   Because people realized they were duped by false prophets, and there is no "waiting on Jehovah" to fix it. (Matt 7:15)   We are independently responsible for turning away from falsehoods and the people who speak them. (1 John 4:1)
You may say in your heart, “How shall we know the word which YHWH has not spoken?” 22 When a prophet speaks in YHWH's name, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which YHWH has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You shall not be afraid of him.
"But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.”  Deut 18:21,22,20
Besides blaming the rank and file for following a failed promise spoken by false prophets, do you know what JW leaders say about their predictions that don't come true?
The serpent (GB) said to the woman, "No, you will certainly not die!"  Gen 3:4
"You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and doesn’t stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks on his own; for he is a liar, and the father of lies."  John 8:44
"The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority; and my people love to have it so. What will you do in the end of it?"  Jer 5:31
When your predictions made in "in the name of God" that you promote to all who perhaps 'love to have it so'...your predictions that do not come true, what will you and those you have misled, do in the end of it? 
Please think about the precarious tight rope that you are walking on, bold-faced in front of God and Jesus Christ.
 
 
 
 

Do you remember the organization's slogan for pioneers?  "The Best Life Ever".  Since covid, that "life" was interrupted, the freedom to preach house to house with coffee breaks in between, was stopped.  The same goes for construction on Ramapo. So, I am guessing that the "normal" that JWs would like to see return is their freedom to spread their news, and build Ramapo.    The interesting thing is, 1914 was to signify the "day of the Lord".  That "day" to come upon "Israel" according to scripture, would be the farthest thing from the "best life ever".  Amos 5:16-25; Luke 17:27-30
 
 
 

Generations of JW members, both those who came “from the world” and those born because their parents are JW members, have brought themselves into a state of obedience to GB “prophets” even though “prophecies” (and doctrines) were false. According to the quoted biblical passage, it is obviously a great fear not to offend the “prophets” but also not to fall under the condemnation of the “false prophet” as this would mean excommunication from the JW community of believers and spiritual/physical "persecution".
As for the title of the topic. “Normality” wasn’t even before the pandemic, so I don’t see why people would aspire to the old state. Obviously they are not aware that the "old normal" was not good, but they have become accustomed to such a state.
After a while, this "new normal", no matter what it looks like, will become "normal" because people will have to adjust and accept what will be inevitable.
The “old normal” has steered the world into decay, and the “new normal” will not deviate from the “old path that leads to ruin”.

What does Pearl have to do with this post? 
Absolutely nothing.    You know Allen, why don't you exercise some courage and go directly to Pearl to air your  complaints?    Her email is on her website.  

This Lego Movie Destroyed the Watchtower!  
"A US federal judge has ruled against Watch Tower Pennsylvania, denying their DMCA subpoena to identify the creator of the Jehovah's Witness parody videos known as "Dubtown.
It's not a secret that during the last two years Watchtower obtained nearly 40 DMCA subpoenas requiring Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, SoundCloud, Scribd, Reddit and other ISPs to provide personal information of users that allegedly infringed the Society's copyright.
Since subpoena proceeding is ex parte, almost all the requests were granted.
But one of the affected users, Kevin McFee contacted, on advice of YouTube's legal team, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), and the Foundation found a law firm ready to represent him pro bono, namely Garvey Schubert Barer.
Motion to quash the subpoena was filed in SDNY. To defend itself against this apostate attack, Watchtower had to hire Cowan, Liebowitz & Latman, a top firm in the field of copyright law, one of the six best ones nationwide according to The Legal 500 and one of the seven best ones in NY - according to Chambers.
Motion to quash the subpoena and Watchtower's response were filed in August 2018 but hearing/conference still wasn't scheduled.
On the 18th of January 2022 a US federal judge has ruled against Watch Tower Pennsylvania, denying their DMCA subpoena to identify the creator of the Jehovah's Witness parody videos known as "Dubtown"
This major victory over the Watchtower will hopefully stop them going after every ex jw channel trying to bully them out of existence and more importantly stopping them getting hold of the names and addresses of the creators of these videos.
Of course you know what they do once they get hold of this information , they get in touch with their congregation and make their life hell which could lead to disfellowshiping and fall out with their jw families. The following is part of the ruling signed by Nelson S. Norman, United States District Judge...
See - https://tevangelinos.wixsite.com/jwupdates/post/this-lego-movie-destroyed-the-watchtower
 
The Watchtower organization has for years, promoted their literature to as many people possible.  They have slandered individuals, organizations, political leaders, religions; but anyone who publicly brings their opinions to the world about them, they are hunted down using legal teams and  money donated by JWs.  If this is God's organization, why use the world's legal system and the world's lawyers to fight its battles?  Why not "wait on Jehovah" as its leaders tell its members to do, when injustices are committed within the organization?  
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you."  Luke 6:27-37
 
 
 

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