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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    For a certain, Allen is here.  🙂
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    This is sooooo funny.  Dimmy you have given us all the big clue here.  False religion = JW Org.
    So no, of course the JW Org or their GB cannot set anyone in the path of salvation.
    BUT they teach that they can.  One lie after another  They teach falsehoods and false predictions.
    Then they throw out people that question them. 
    Have a nice day................... 
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Thanks for the explanation. So the logic would be this: Jesus chose a certain structure in people who call themselves Christians, e.g. WTJWorg, because at the time of their appointment they were the best candidates. After a while, these people and their associates after them chose to interpret the Bible as they wished. Are they still appointed or dismissed?
    Result is the same, whatever words you choose to use.
    True.
    The spirituality you associate with devotion to the Organization is a recipe for disaster, or at least disappointments. Because the Organization is made up, in the context of WTJWorg, of the people who govern, rule the spirituality of the members. Such a thing is not a request of God but of those who claim to “represent” God.
    Yes, when they give you a warning of an impending tsunami or hurricane etc.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    "An elder must be blameless, the husband of one wife, with faithful children who are not accused of wildness or rebellion. 7 As an overseer of God’s household, he must be blameless, not arrogant, not hot-tempered, not an excessive drinker, not a bully, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, righteous, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding to the faithful message as taught, so that he will be able both to encourage with sound teaching and to refute those who contradict it."  Titus 1:6-9
    God's household: 
    "you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."  1 Pet 2:5
    "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."  Heb 8:10
    Spiritual house: 
    "So, then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints, and members of God’s household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."  Eph 2:20-22
    Holy Temple: 
    "And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, as God said: I will dwell and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." 2 Cor 6:16
    "Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?"  1 Cor 3:16
    God's temple is God's spiritual house of "Israel"  - God's household of "saints"/living stones.  God's household is made up of the anointed priesthood under their High Priest, Jesus Christ. 
    "Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have boldness to enter the sanctuary through the blood of Jesus— 20 he has inaugurated for us a new and living way through the curtain (that is, through his flesh)— 21 and since we have a great high priest over the house of God"  Heb 10:19-21
    Were uncircumcised Gentiles or foreigners allowed in God's Temple?  Never. (Ezek 44:6-9)   The elder body of the Watchtower is by far not comprised of anointed priests who have received "circumcision of the heart". (Rom 2:29)  The scriptures about elders are referring to those who oversee "God's household" as anointed "saints".  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    As a sinner, in God's eyes, through Christ, I am no better than anyone. But the thing is that I KNOW THAT I'M NO BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. 
    The problem starts with the GB of JW Org, who think they ARE better than others. How do we know that the GB think they are better? 
    1. The GB call themselves the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
    2. The GB get their helpers to call them the F&DS.
    3. The GB say that ONLY they, those 8 Men, are the F&DS.
    4. The GB start to beat 'their fellow slaves'.
    5. The GB tell the Anointed NOT TO MEET TOGETHER.
    6. The GB state as 'fact' that God and Christ trust them. 
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    And it is the GB that 'can't control their anger', that's why they are so wicked. 
    That is why the GB deliberately hide Pedophiles in their JW org.
    That is why the GB deliberately allow children to suffer SEXUAL ABUSE. 
    That is why the GB are so immoral. Because they have alowed themselves to be used by the Devil. 
    That is why the GB are so greedy and selfish.
    That is why the GB have to keep building massive buildings as showpieces. 
    Because the GB are not 'spirtual men' they are 'physical men'. They can only understand physical things.
    And that is why God and Christ do not, and never will, use that GB to teach truth. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    "Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler. Whom, then, does Gog symbolize?   It is evident now that Gog is a figure prophetic of the ruler of all seven demon princes, namely, Satan the Devil." w53 10/1 p. 583
    "However, recent Bible investigation has proved that Gog of Magog is a prophetic symbol of the false god of this world, Satan the Devil, when making his final attack upon the Christian witnesses of God’s kingdom of heaven."  w60 4/15 p. 243
    "Gog is “the ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil. He received the name Gog after his ouster from heaven, following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914. (John 12:31) “The land of Magog” is the location to which Gog and his demons are confined in the vicinity of the earth. w88 9/15 p. 24-25"
    "Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21
    "When we compare all these Bible references about the final attack on God’s people, it is clear that the name Gog of Magog does not refer to Satan. Instead, Gog of Magog refers to a group of nations. ws15 5/15 p. 27-28
    Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood, for over 70 years.  NOW, it is evidently  CLEAR  that Gog of Magog DOES NOT REFER TO SATAN.
    Will any teaching by the Watchtower be proven as clear and truthful?  Think about it, JWs.  If this organization was blessed by God's Holy Spirit, would that Spirit mislead its leaders into telling a falsehood for over seventy years?  It was once proven that Gog was Satan; will it be proven in ten year's time that what was once CLEAR TRUTH about "Gog" now being a coalition of nation, will be found to be a falsehood?  
    "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."  John 16:13
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Sorry, I'm done playing court with you.  You can call the next witness to take the stand.
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    WTJWorg have contradictory statements, not me.  Please, read quotes from WT magazines provided in previous comments, of which I used just one quote to show discrepancy and contradiction.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    "Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler. Whom, then, does Gog symbolize?   It is evident now that Gog is a figure prophetic of the ruler of all seven demon princes, namely, Satan the Devil." w53 10/1 p. 583
    "However, recent Bible investigation has proved that Gog of Magog is a prophetic symbol of the false god of this world, Satan the Devil, when making his final attack upon the Christian witnesses of God’s kingdom of heaven."  w60 4/15 p. 243
    "Gog is “the ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil. He received the name Gog after his ouster from heaven, following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914. (John 12:31) “The land of Magog” is the location to which Gog and his demons are confined in the vicinity of the earth. w88 9/15 p. 24-25"
    "Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21
    "When we compare all these Bible references about the final attack on God’s people, it is clear that the name Gog of Magog does not refer to Satan. Instead, Gog of Magog refers to a group of nations. ws15 5/15 p. 27-28
    Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood, for over 70 years.  NOW, it is evidently  CLEAR  that Gog of Magog DOES NOT REFER TO SATAN.
    Will any teaching by the Watchtower be proven as clear and truthful?  Think about it, JWs.  If this organization was blessed by God's Holy Spirit, would that Spirit mislead its leaders into telling a falsehood for over seventy years?  It was once proven that Gog was Satan; will it be proven in ten year's time that what was once CLEAR TRUTH about "Gog" now being a coalition of nation, will be found to be a falsehood?  
    "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."  John 16:13
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    Here is another strange thought. They say that satan is a spiritual creature and therefore cannot act on the physical world !?
    quote continue: , but he will use human agencies to do his deeds.
    Such a statement nullifies any possibility that Jesus and the angels will execute a "final judgment" on "evil men" aka "goats." According to Bible interpretations of WTJWorg Jesus and angels are "spiritual creatures" too, and they as such also belongs to ..... as a spirit creature/s, he/they cannot carry out his/their attack directly .....
    The WT text suggests that spiritual forces (evil and good) actually influence people to perform some action for the benefit of the spirit world. So let's put it this way; satan and demons will inspire one evil group of people against another evil group of people to destroy each other. For what purpose? How would only JW members remain? Who then will attack the JW, because that is how the JW preaches? Gog from Magog, say JW. But Gog of Magog are united evil people / nations (human agencies, as they named them) ..... who have already destroyed each other.  Even before the "last attack" on JW.
    Moreover, if according to such an interpretation, angels cannot physically act on the literal world, then they never could, so the biblical accounts of such events in the past are fiction.
    Therefore, this "outdated" interpretation of Gog and Magog also promotes another idea/interpretation that has not been so pronounced so far, at least not visible to me, in which they claims; "Angels are not able to physically act on people."
    Picture and quote, for example this one, is contradiction then.

    Jesus and his heavenly army will soon ride into the war of Armageddon to destroy God’s enemies! (See paragraph 17)
    - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-october-2019/stay-faithful-through-great-tribulation/
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE WATCHTOWER HISTORY OF GOG OF MAGOG   
    "Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler. Whom, then, does Gog symbolize?   It is evident now that Gog is a figure prophetic of the ruler of all seven demon princes, namely, Satan the Devil." w53 10/1 p. 583
    "However, recent Bible investigation has proved that Gog of Magog is a prophetic symbol of the false god of this world, Satan the Devil, when making his final attack upon the Christian witnesses of God’s kingdom of heaven."  w60 4/15 p. 243
    "Gog is “the ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil. He received the name Gog after his ouster from heaven, following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914. (John 12:31) “The land of Magog” is the location to which Gog and his demons are confined in the vicinity of the earth. w88 9/15 p. 24-25"
    "Gog of Magog is identified as Satan the Devil in his debased position since 1914. As a spirit creature, he cannot carry out his attack directly, but he will use human agencies to do his deeds. Who will these human agencies be? The Bible does not give us details, yet it does give us certain indications that can help us to identify who they will be."  w03 6/1 p. 20-21
    "When we compare all these Bible references about the final attack on God’s people, it is clear that the name Gog of Magog does not refer to Satan. Instead, Gog of Magog refers to a group of nations. ws15 5/15 p. 27-28
    Although it was proven by "Bible investigation" that Gog is Satan and Magog IS the location where Gog and his demons are confined on the earth (!), the leadership of the organization was preaching a falsehood, for over 70 years.  NOW, it is evidently  CLEAR  that Gog of Magog DOES NOT REFER TO SATAN.
    Will any teaching by the Watchtower be proven as clear and truthful?  Think about it, JWs.  If this organization was blessed by God's Holy Spirit, would that Spirit mislead its leaders into telling a falsehood for over seventy years?  It was once proven that Gog was Satan; will it be proven in ten year's time that what was once CLEAR TRUTH about "Gog" now being a coalition of nation, will be found to be a falsehood?  
    "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come."  John 16:13
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in The Most Important News About Covid-19 !!!   
    Amazing that the head of Pfizer knew about all these adverse effects and even deaths, and still claimed publicly that there were no deaths. Also, while it's true that there were several reporting defects and this concerns millions of vaccines administered over about a 3.5 month period covered in the report(s), you can still tell from the average "delay" that most of these adverse effects happened within 24 hours of the jab.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Sorry, I'm done playing court with you.  You can call the next witness to take the stand.
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    Witness got a reaction from Amidstheroses in The Most Important News About Covid-19 !!!   
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-smoking-gun-pfizer-document-exposes-fda-criminal-cover-up-of-vaccine-deaths.html
     
    Thanks to the efforts of a group called Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, we now have smoking gun confidential documents that show Pfizer and the FDA knew in early 2021 that pfizer’s mRNA vaccines were killing thousands of people and causing spontaneous abortions while damaging three times more women than men.
    One confidential document in particular was part of a court-ordered release of FDA files that the FDA fought by claiming the agency should have 55 years to release this information. A court judge disagreed and ordered the release of 500 documents per month, and the very first batch of documents contained this bombshell entitled, “Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports.”
    https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
    Or here, mirrored on NN servers:
    https://www.naturalnews.com/files/536-postmarketing-experience.pdf
    The document reveals that within just 90 days after the EUA release of Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine, the company was already aware of voluntary adverse reaction reports that revealed 1,223 deaths and over 42,000 adverse reports describing a total of 158,893 adverse reactions. The reports originated from numerous countries, including the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, France, Portugal, Spain and other nations.
    Aside from “general disorders,” the No. 1 most frequently reported category of mRNA vaccine adverse reactions was Nervous system disorders, clocking in at 25,957 reports.
     
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    Witness reacted to Pudgy in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    You know, I am a great admirer of William Jefferson Clinton, former President of the United States to the extent of his skill at lying better than anybody else I’ve ever seen, with a smile, and with an intelligence that is far beyond my own.
    I have listened to him at great length during lengthy speeches and dissertations and known from facts that he was lying …… but with a sense of awe and wonder of how well he was doing it.
    If you didn’t know better, the hypnotic affect was captivating and pervasive.
    …. not since ex-president Bill Clinton have I seen such a skilled “lawyer” as the screen persona DMITAR, who drags you into his slanderous fantasies and misrepresentation of everything you can imagine with such skill that you are inclined to defend yourself, where no defense is necessary…… Just to exercise common courtesy in a debate.
    He can take a narrative that is totally false and spin it so it seems to have some legitimate value … a truly amazing thing to watch, like a trout’s admiration of a fishing lure with bright colors.
    …… but besides being slanderous and libelous, and borderline dangerous the most chilling thing about having a conversation with Dimitar is the fact that he is almost always, if not actually always wrong about the positions he takes.
    ….. as a cartoon dog I am completely immune to his slander, and his libel, but even so I don’t have to like it, and I don’t.
    On various discussion forums I understand you can block certain people, but I do not believe in doing that, as dangerous people are able to hide in darkness if that’s done. 

    Therefore I have decided to completely ignore Dimitar, and his various quasi-evil manifestations with other screen names, even as I mentioned earlier that’s probably a safe bet that he can be completely ignored …… And should be.
    …… And should be.
    It should be interesting to observe the sound of one hand clapping.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Most Important News About Covid-19 !!!   
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-02-smoking-gun-pfizer-document-exposes-fda-criminal-cover-up-of-vaccine-deaths.html
     
    Thanks to the efforts of a group called Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency, we now have smoking gun confidential documents that show Pfizer and the FDA knew in early 2021 that pfizer’s mRNA vaccines were killing thousands of people and causing spontaneous abortions while damaging three times more women than men.
    One confidential document in particular was part of a court-ordered release of FDA files that the FDA fought by claiming the agency should have 55 years to release this information. A court judge disagreed and ordered the release of 500 documents per month, and the very first batch of documents contained this bombshell entitled, “Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports.”
    https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
    Or here, mirrored on NN servers:
    https://www.naturalnews.com/files/536-postmarketing-experience.pdf
    The document reveals that within just 90 days after the EUA release of Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine, the company was already aware of voluntary adverse reaction reports that revealed 1,223 deaths and over 42,000 adverse reports describing a total of 158,893 adverse reactions. The reports originated from numerous countries, including the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, Germany, France, Portugal, Spain and other nations.
    Aside from “general disorders,” the No. 1 most frequently reported category of mRNA vaccine adverse reactions was Nervous system disorders, clocking in at 25,957 reports.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    Can you provide proof from God's word?
    The Beast from the Sea and the “scarlet colored beast” are the same beast. 
    Then he carried me away in the Spirit to a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.  Rev 17:3
    Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.  Rev 13:1
    The scarlet color represents sins.  The spiritual Harlot/false prophet/Beast from the earth are the same identity.  The Harlot who is "sitting" ("exercises all the authority") on the Beast, wears scarlet.  Rev 13:11,12; Rev 17:3,4.
    "Come, let us settle this," says the LORD. "Though your sins are scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are crimson red, they will be like wool.  Isa 1:18
    “And you, devastated one, what are you doing that you dress yourself in scarlet, that you adorn yourself with gold jewelry, that you enhance your eyes with makeup? You beautify yourself for nothing. Your lovers reject you; they intend to take your life.”  Jer 4:30
    The “image” that is formed, is “spirit-breathed”. (Rev 13:15) So, have the world’s religions “breathed” spirit into the UN, leading the world to worship the UN, or W.H.O.?  No!  You forget that the focal point of the scriptures have been on God’s people under covenant who are regularly led astray by sin, false prophets, and idolatry, leading to God’s people falling into spiritual harlotry. (Hos 4:12; 6:10 - "Jehovah's spirit-directed organization" - an idol)
    To believe that the organization is exempt from God’s wrath is pure, blind foolishness.  In the light of false predictions, ever changing doctrine and assumed authority over God's anointed, the organization and its leaders will face the wrath of God.  (Rev 13:4-8; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Rev 19:20)
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    Daniel told us of four beasts to arise against God’s holy people. (Dan 7:3)  The last one is “different” from all the rest, which were political nations. (Dan 7:7)
      Different!! It works with DECEIT against the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”. (Rev13:14;19:20; 12:17)  The organization has lumped together all the political powers part of the UN, saying that it is the Beast of Rev 13:1,2, and somehow the world’s religions are directing the UN.
    This Beast IS religious, directed by a false prophet that serves spiritual food to those who are part of it. (Rev 13:11-13)   It “makes war” with the holy people, the anointed, the “saints”. It overcomes (subdues, conquers) the saints.  (Rev 13:7)   They are taken captive.  (Luke 21:24; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  THEY are the target of the Beast which has been given power from Satan.  (Rev 13:2) 
    No one worships the UN.  (Rev 13:4)
    No one is killed for not worshiping the UN. (Rev 13:15) 
    Have any JWs been killed for not worshiping the UN?
    Have anointed saints been selected from the JW population to be “killed” for not worshiping the UN?
    Is the UN spirit-directed? (Rev 13:15)
    Because the Beast is the “man of lawlessness”, this Beast “tramples” the holy ones, anointed, “saints”.  Has the UN trampled the anointed? (2 Thess 2:3,4,9,10; Rev 11:1,2;13:18)
    Have the world’s religions directed the UN to “kill” anyone who doesn’t identify with it? (Rev 13:15,16)
    Do the world’s religions “exercise all authority” over the political entities of the UN?  (Rev 13:12)
    It is your organization, which is a different Beast from all that Daniel mentioned. It has trampled the saints, abolished the “daily sacrifice” that God’s priesthood must maintain, and a wicked slave and an elder body have assumed full authority over the anointed. (Dan 8:11-13; 1 Pet 2:5; Heb 13:15) The Beast has been allowed by the governing body,(Rev 13:11,12) to desecrate the “holy place” by replacing God’s priests WITH ELDERS NOT ANOINTED. (Ezek 44:6-9; Mark 13:14) 
    There is only one “holy place” that the scriptures speak of.   (Exod 28:29; Lev 6:26; Isa 57:15)  
    It is not found in Christendom. 
    It is not found at the UN. 
     It is the sanctuary/Temple of which the anointed are “living stones” of. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    And that is what is being “blasphemed” by the Beast from the Sea – which has emerged from the “sea” of the wicked. (Isa 57:20)
    Isn't it true that the only spiritual food that is available, and that can be “bought” with the servitude of a JW, is what the governing leaders/false prophets and their “helpers” produce?  (Rev 13:17)  No other spiritual food offered by an anointed priest, is even considered.  (Matt 24:48-51)
     “New light” given to you by your GB, tells us that apparently ALL the anointed will be in heaven before Armageddon breaks out!  Wow, so how does the Beast “make war” with the saints if they are in heaven? When will they be captured? How will they be conquered?  When will they worship the Beast?   How can it “kill” (disfellowship) those who give testimony of Christ, and for rejecting the identity of the Beast/organization? (Rev 11:7; 6:9) I thought that the “coalition of nations” appeared DURING Armageddon.  Is this warring coalition a different warring machine than the Beast  who “makes war with the saints”?  How many wars using deceit are predicted to come upon the unsealed anointed?  ONE, where the players against Christ’s “kings”, (Rev 1:5; 16:13-16; Rev 17:18) bear many descriptions through symbolic illustrations.  (Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-5; Rev 13:1,2,11,12; Rev 17:1,5,15; 20:7-9)
    If JWs only knew how many exjws can easily now see the idolatry that is rife in the organization. (Dan 11:36-38; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) The Beast/Watchtower/organization is the idol, whose “image” as spirit-directed, must be worshiped. (Rev 13:15)  JWs believe that without siding with, accepting the identity – MARK –of this organization, they will not receive salvation. (“who is like the Beast, who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4) And any in the organization that rejects it, is disfellowshipped – spiritually considered DEAD/KILLED.  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15)
    There is total confusion in the Wt teachings, and yours.  You believe in focusing on the earthly things, contrary to what the scriptures tell us. This is a spiritual war, already at work in the organization between anointed ones and powers of the spirit realm. (Eph 6:10-13)  As far as the signs Jesus gave us in Matt 24 which JWs say are literal and not spiritual, Jesus also said, “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”  (Luke 21:36)
    Can anyone escape a literal earthquake?  Matt 24:7
    Did JWs do a good job through prayer, of escaping Covid?  A. Morris said this is what the GB had been waiting for, another literal sign of the last days being fulfilled. Yet, how many JWs died of Covid?  How many contracted Covid?  Were the JWs who suffered, not counted worthy to escape “all these things”? 
    And JWs already suffer a spiritual famine by remaining under a wicked slave/spiritual Harlot who has poisoned the waters of truth. They are recycling/regurgitating old articles with updated illustrations.   (Jer 9:13-16; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8) (Amos 8:11; Isa 28:7,8)
    "For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things."  Phil 3:18,19
     
    Wormwood/The False Prophet/Armageddon
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Some of these words may sound familiar.  Although you already know where I stand, maybe others need to hear.  I suppose in that sense, the time is not wasted.  
    Did the apostles develop an organization founded in the world of commerce, religion and politics, to accomplish God's will?  We have no record of such a thing in the scriptures.  We have individuals directly being motivated by the Spirit.  (Acts 8:29,39;13:2,4; 16:6)
    This so-called "earthly Zion" requires earthly treasures to be procured and utilized, to spiritually house people; people deceived into believing they are whole-souled in their devotion to God. (Matt 6:19-21)  This demonic brainchild attracts the “saints”, by using scripturally sound offerings of Christ’s truth, as bait for the hook.  (Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:4)  They are invited, welcomed, and told to watch God’s plan in action, as He uses an organization founded in the world of commerce, religion and politics, to accomplish His will.  The saints, God’s priests of “Israel”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) gradually become residents in name only, because their time to “rule” will not occur until the Kingdom arrives, or so the leaders of this ingenious plan tell them. Rom 15:15,16 shows an active priesthood, but today we witness a languishing anointed priesthood.  (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) (1 Thess 5:3; Rev 3:1-3,14-22)  They have been consumed by a tally of millions who have joined what is now, a necessary “evil”.  There is nothing wrong with people gathering with anointed ones. It is happening on the other side of the WT fence, never to be organized by man’s will.  What is wrong with the organization, is its leader’s dismissal of God’s priests gradually, over time. (Ezek 44:6-9)
     So, God apparently uses earthly treasures under Satan’s control, to carry out His will, but does not use His chosen people to facilitate "pure worship' – a priesthood under their High Priest, Jesus Christ. (Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10)  In this scheme, even Christ appears to have chosen others to serve him – “Gentile” elders, who are said to “represent” God’s priesthood.  Truly, this is out of harmony with the spirit of the divine plan.  
    Earthly treasures build an earthly organization, which needs men with natural instincts, to  appoint men with the same innate desires. (1 Cor 2:10-14)  Do they keep the organization up and running, to administer teachings about God? Or, is it to administer teachings about an organization? (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,15)  When it is viewed in this light, why would God use His appointed priestly members of His heavenly Temple to fulfill their role as priests, in an organization advancing in the “kingdom” of Satan?  
     
    "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
    “I will dwell in them
    And walk among them.
    I will be their God,
    And they shall be My people.”  2 Cor 6:14-16
    This is a comment made recently by a JW on reddit:
    "I had a conversation with an elder about things we're asked to follow without scriptural basis. He said forget about the bible, do you believe in God's organization? My jaw dropped and I looked him in the eye and said 'my brother, we believe in God, Jesus and the Bible, not man made rules. The Bible is the basis of all our beliefs, not men. You shocked me asking me to put the bible aside and believe in an organization? You are unbelievable.' I was stunned."
    Looks like that is what it has come down to.  Pure idolatry to a "mountain-like organization".  (Dan 11:36-39)
    Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    The only organization that God recognizes, is the one trampled by the man of lawlessness/elder body. (2 Thess 2:3,4)  If anyone can discern what has happened to God's Temple priesthood, they are to FLEE the organization. (Dan 8:10-14; Mal 3:1-3; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14-20; Rev 18:4-8)
    YHVH'S Genuine Organization
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Special no. Different yes.  Hitler hated JWs because JWs were not afraid to die for what they believed in.
    The GB hate ex-JWs because ex-JWs prove their strength and faith in God through Jesus Christ. 
    Hitler wanted to be served by everybody as a group, so that he had control over all.
    The GB want to be served by everybody as a group too, so that the GB have control over all. 
    The GB prove their fear of individuals because they have to call all ex-JWs apostates or liars. 
    The GB and most JWs cannot accept that each person that leaves the Org is an individual. 
    ALL translations are questionable as none seem to be directly inspired of God's Holy Spirit, But the BSB is easy to read and understand. That does not mean that I believe every word of that translation. 
    Are you sugggesting that everyone needs to understand the Greek language to be able to believe God's word ?
    My faith tells me that although no translation is perfect, most Bibles give enough good information to help people come to a knowledge of God and Christ. 
    Please note the smily face after that comment of mine. It was meant as a joke. 
    I place no faith in men. I certainly place no faith in the GB of the Watchtower / JW org. 
    As a side note. The only reason i answer your questions is for my own 'training' and it helps me to strengthen my faith in God through Christ. Whilst I'm on this blog I'm not thinking about material possesions or worldly worries. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    I think we both know how this happened.
    Allen, what's with all the questions?  Do you have me on a witness stand in a courtroom?  We both know the answer to this also.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    For a certain, Allen is here.  🙂
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    I think we both know how this happened.
    Allen, what's with all the questions?  Do you have me on a witness stand in a courtroom?  We both know the answer to this also.  
     
  25. Confused
    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in After Forty Years at Bethel...   
    Christ's disciples grew up under the old law covenant.  In one day, Jesus overturned their belief system.  They were gradually learning from the words of Jesus. 
    His words/teachings have been around for over 2,000 years.  So what excuse do Wt's leaders of spiritual "Israel" have, for being so confused, evident in 150 years of ever changing doctrine?  Did it take 150 years for the apostles to figure it out?
     “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you."  John 14:26
    “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me."  John 15:26
     “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened."  Matt 7:7,8
    Confusion is not how Christ teaches truth.  Follow just one string of doctrine in the organization and it is evident that the doctrine's creator is confusion; which means, its leadership does not have the "Spirit of truth".
     "For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints."  1 Cor 14:33
     
     
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