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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Who are "they"?  Your leaders? Or, people in the world?  You've actually shown that the UN cannot be the Beast (Rev 13:5-7) that "makes war with the saints", because they don't even know who the anointed are.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Perhaps Russell was deranged, and Rutherford for building Beth Sarim...and Franz for promoting 1975, and then blaming JWs for its failure. 
    "In 1976, Fred Franz, Society vice president, spoke to a large audience in Toronto, Canada, and asked a rhetorical question:
    "'Do you know why nothing happened in 1975?  Then, pointing at his audience, he shouted:  'It was because you expected something to happen'" (Apocalypse Delayed, Penton, 1986, p. 100)
    The present GB, are absolutely deranged as well.  Their consciences are corrupted.
    "Everything is clean to those who are clean. But nothing is clean to corrupt unbelievers. Indeed, their minds and their consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good."  Titus 1:15,16
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    That  explains the rise of the Wt organization that you love, perfectly!  The Divine Plan of the Ages!  Perhaps not so divine, but more of a plan to "capture".  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)  Powerful use?  Yes against the anointed Temple of God, those under the New Covenant promise/"woman".  (Gal 4:23-26; Rev 12:1-4; 13:1,2)
    Why do You make men like fish of the sea, (Isa 57:20; Rev 13:1)
    Like creeping things that have no ruler over them?
    15 They take up all of them with a hook,
    They catch them in their net,
    And gather them in their dragnet.
    Therefore they rejoice and are glad.
    16 Therefore they sacrifice to their net,
    And burn incense to their dragnet; (“Jehovah’s organization”)
    Because by them their share is sumptuous
    And their food plentiful.
    17 Shall they therefore empty their net,
    And continue to slay nations without pity?  Hab 1:15-17
    “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,  which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away.  So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,  and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”  Matt 13:47-50
    Ever consider your "preaching work" as a form of capturing people into Satan's dragnet?   Can you honestly say that you have always preached "truth" - the authentic truth in Jesus Christ?  Or, "empty philosophy" of failed doctrine?  Why would anyone be proud and arrogant of such a preaching work?  
    These scriptures identify your leaders and what traits have been instilled in JWs:
    "You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.
    6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.
    8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."  2 Tim 3:1-9
     
     
     
     
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    What's the problem?  What am I making up?  
    Rev 17:12 - “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast."
    Rev 17:13 - The beast and the ten horns/"kings"  you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."
    Rev 13:1 - The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 
    Horns represent kings.  The kings Jesus is referring to are his kings - "and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen."  Rev 1:5,6
    We know they are the anointed, also because of this scripture: 
    And they sang a new song, saying:
    “You are worthy to take the scroll
        and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
        and with your blood you purchased for God
        persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
    10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
        and they will reign on the earth.”
    The "beast" is the "man of lawlessness".  Rev 13:18.  It has "set itself up" in the Temple of God.  2 Thess 2:3,4.  It is comprised of "Gentiles".  Rev 11:1,2  
    The Temple of God are the kings of the earth - the anointed priesthood.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  
    Who rules over, and "represents the royal priesthood"?  Who can disfellowship them?  What entity in the organization  "stands where it does not belong" - above the Temple "living stones"?  Mark 13:14
    WHO have rebelled against God's chosen priestly arrangement, just as Korah did?  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    And how does that Spirit reach uninspired men?  Did Jesus' spirit create the generation doctrine that has repeatedly failed?  Did Jesus send his Holy Spirit to tell men to set aside a date for Armageddon?  Did Jesus' spirit tell the GB they MUST build Ramapo?  Did Jesus' spirit tell the GB to fight for their money and "rights" in a court of law?  Did he tell them to refuse helping victims of child abuse, to disfellowship them instead of hearing them out?  Did Jesus encourage the hiding of child abuse in the organization....for years?  Would he tell the GB that his priests, the members of his body, MUST NOT BOND TOGETHER?  
    No.  Jesus was not interested in developing land, or hoarding money, or devising a doctrine contrary to the word set down in the Bible, so his ministers would not focus on such a thing either.  (Matt 6:19,20)
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    I am not here to appease anyone. I am here to expose the organization as it is, a spiritual ruse that has trampled down the holy people of God.  (Isa 1:10-12; Dan 8:13; 11:15,16,31,32; Luke 21:24; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)
    Did Jesus revile, “abuse”, the Pharisees by telling them they were a brood of vipers, or did they revile him for speaking truth?  They called him Beelzebub, but it was THEY who were the progeny of the devil.  (1 Pet 2:23)  I have been called a child of the devil for addressing Wt's falsehoods.  (Matt 5:11)  
    Speaking against the GB and organization, does not mean I am abusing them.  The GB are locked away, behind a guarded gate.  They throw their insults against “apostates” freely and confidently from their compound, but they refuse to sit down with any anointed one who challenges their teachings.  Are they too good for the rest of Christ's brothers?  It appears to be so.  They are cowards in a sense, hiding in their fortress; yet they are also arrogant in their stand against Christ’s teachings, just as the Pharisees were.   On the other hand, they send out their henchmen to cut down any who speak against THEM.  (Matt 24:48-51) Their supposed rulership over others must be preserved at all costs - at the cost of others.  An unwelcomed knock on the door by an elder is common.  JWs don't necessarily live behind locked gates like the eight men do.  The point of the elder's visit is to judge a dissenter as unworthy of spiritual life for rejecting the GB and Satan's ruse.  (Dan 11:38)  These Harlots send out men not anointed, to cut down the holy priesthood - the anointed. (John 16:2; Rev 11:3,7; 13:15) The GB lead an insular life, but they cannot hide their actions from the Father and Jesus.  
    The Lord said:
    These people approach me with their speeches
    to honor me with lip-service,
    yet their hearts are far from me,
    and human rules direct their worship of me.
    14 Therefore, I will again confound these people
    with wonder after wonder.
    The wisdom of their wise will vanish,
    and the perception of their perceptive will be hidden.
    15 Woe to those who go to great lengths
    to hide their plans from the Lord.
    They do their works in the dark,
    and say, “Who sees us? Who knows us?”  Isa 29:13-15
    The arrogance of the GB proven through the C.O.’s talk that the elder commented on above, will be a good spark for the organization to cut the “Harlot” down.  (Rev 17:17)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    The word “revile” is not always used in an abusive way, as the example you gave in 1 Cor 6.  In fact that Greek word means  abusive (mischief). 
    “Revile” in English, can mean a justified scolding in anger, as God has done when His people have ignored His decrees.  The reason the organization is the man of lawlessness, the "abomination standing in the holy place" (Matt 24:15),  is because it has ignored God's decrees concerning His chosen priesthood/"living stones". (1 Pet 2:5,9)  I wish you could see this.  While it states it has no clergy, it certainly does - a counterfeit in the elder body, and an authentic "clergy" in the anointed.  Replacing God's priests is an abomination.  (Ezek 44:6-9)
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    I think it is unrealistic to claim that all UN members have influence over the UN General Assembly and their decisions on behalf of “all nations”. There are several in the UN who are the only ones who have the right to veto all decisions, also those that are influential and powerful enough to undo any action by other UN members and to exert influence over them.
    In addition, various interpretations of the WTJWorg about the “northern and southern kings,” and “Gog of Magog” call into question the construction you have interpreted about the UN.
    To understand the prophecy recorded in Daniel chapter 11, we need to keep in mind that it identifies only rulers and governments that have had a direct influence on God’s people. And even though God’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events. Why? Because Satan and his entire system have one prime objective—conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2020/The-King-of-the-North-in-the-Time-of-the-End/
    If the whole UN wants to destroy WTJWorg then they should be well aware of the JW ideology that makes them want to destroy you. 
    The king of the north has supported the king of the south in one key endeavor; they “put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.” (Dan. 11:31) That “disgusting thing” is the United Nations. -https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-may-2020/The-King-of-the-North-in-the-Time-of-the-End/
    WTJWorg considers its Organization the only holy place on Earth because it is where God is worshiped in truth. How did the northern and southern kings put the UN in your “spiritual temple”? Or how will they put it in the future?
    But your magazines add confusion. We read this:
     In the first fulfillment, the “standing in a holy place” occurred in 66 C.E. when the Roman army (“the disgusting thing”) attacked Jerusalem and its temple (a place holy in the eyes of the Jews). In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530#h=13:0-13:842
    WTJWorg is Babylon aka Confusion. 
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    PS 
     So the restoration of spiritual Israel in 1919 to a radiant spiritual prosperity, which continues and expands to this day, stands as evidence that Babylon the Great fell in that year. No longer does she have power of restraint over God’s people. Moreover, she has come into deep trouble within her own ranks. Since 1919 her corruption, dishonesty, and immorality have been widely exposed. In most of Europe, few people go to church anymore, and in some socialistic countries, religion is regarded as “the opium of the people.” Disgraced in the eyes of all lovers of God’s Word of truth, Babylon the Great now waits on death row, as it were, for the execution of Jehovah’s righteous judgment on her. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Revelation-Its-Grand-Climax-At-Hand/Babylon-the-Great-Has-Fallen/
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    You are very strong in what you believe.  I am also strong in my beliefs.  That's the way it is, isn't it.  I don't say you have "hate-OCD" simply because you continue to voice your belief loudly.  The GB are being exposed for who they are by other anointed.  The GB are charlatans, and that truth will come out.  They have disfellowshipped, through the elder body, who knows how many anointed over the years, who have stood against their teachings. (John 16:2; Rev 13:11,15)  The elder body/man of lawlessness will turn on "her", the Harlot, and apply the same treatment to her as she has to Christ's brothers. (Rev 17:15-18)  When it happens, you will know that God is watching all of this. 
    The only judge for Christ's brothers, is Christ himself.  Rom 14:4
    "In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous."  1 John 3:10-13
     
    “Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor,
    Pressing him to your bottle,
    Even to make him drunk,
    That you may look on his nakedness!
    16 You are filled with shame instead of glory.
    You also—drink!
    And be exposed as uncircumcised!
    The cup of the Lord’s right hand will be turned against you,
    And utter shame will be on your glory.
    17 For the violence done to Lebanon will cover you,
    And the plunder of beasts which made them afraid,
    Because of men’s blood
    And the violence of the land and the city,
    And of all who dwell in it.  Hab 2:15-17
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    That's basically the end war - those on the side of Christ and his truth, battling against those on the side of Satan and his lies.  You just have to decide which side you prefer to stand with.  (Rev 12:7; Joel 3:14; Rev 18:4-8)
    When God sent his servants to proclaim the sins of His people, they never let up, did they. Rev 11:1-3
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Who are "they"?  Your leaders? Or, people in the world?  You've actually shown that the UN cannot be the Beast (Rev 13:5-7) that "makes war with the saints", because they don't even know who the anointed are.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Perhaps Russell was deranged, and Rutherford for building Beth Sarim...and Franz for promoting 1975, and then blaming JWs for its failure. 
    "In 1976, Fred Franz, Society vice president, spoke to a large audience in Toronto, Canada, and asked a rhetorical question:
    "'Do you know why nothing happened in 1975?  Then, pointing at his audience, he shouted:  'It was because you expected something to happen'" (Apocalypse Delayed, Penton, 1986, p. 100)
    The present GB, are absolutely deranged as well.  Their consciences are corrupted.
    "Everything is clean to those who are clean. But nothing is clean to corrupt unbelievers. Indeed, their minds and their consciences are corrupted. 16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good."  Titus 1:15,16
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    That  explains the rise of the Wt organization that you love, perfectly!  The Divine Plan of the Ages!  Perhaps not so divine, but more of a plan to "capture".  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10)  Powerful use?  Yes against the anointed Temple of God, those under the New Covenant promise/"woman".  (Gal 4:23-26; Rev 12:1-4; 13:1,2)
    Why do You make men like fish of the sea, (Isa 57:20; Rev 13:1)
    Like creeping things that have no ruler over them?
    15 They take up all of them with a hook,
    They catch them in their net,
    And gather them in their dragnet.
    Therefore they rejoice and are glad.
    16 Therefore they sacrifice to their net,
    And burn incense to their dragnet; (“Jehovah’s organization”)
    Because by them their share is sumptuous
    And their food plentiful.
    17 Shall they therefore empty their net,
    And continue to slay nations without pity?  Hab 1:15-17
    “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind,  which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away.  So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,  and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”  Matt 13:47-50
    Ever consider your "preaching work" as a form of capturing people into Satan's dragnet?   Can you honestly say that you have always preached "truth" - the authentic truth in Jesus Christ?  Or, "empty philosophy" of failed doctrine?  Why would anyone be proud and arrogant of such a preaching work?  
    These scriptures identify your leaders and what traits have been instilled in JWs:
    "You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.
    6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.
    8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."  2 Tim 3:1-9
     
     
     
     
     

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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    :))) This could be interpreted as the Bible being a Protestant book, too.
    God supposedly wants man to love him with all his heart. Love is the most sacred quality, because God is love. And love is exclusively a matter of the heart and only then of the soul and mind. The temple of God is in the human heart. Therefore, the heart is the holiest place because the Temple is the holiest place. Man himself is the temple of God according to the Bible. If in the past the Temple of God was the holiest place on earth (in Jerusalem), then the only place where God can dwell today is, nowhere else, but in the heart of a person.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    For I am the Lord who brought you up from the land of Egypt to be your God; thus you shall be holy, for I am holy.’”  Lev 11:45
    13 "Therefore, with your minds ready for action, be sober-minded and set your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the desires of your former ignorance. 15 But as the one who called you is holy, you also are to be holy in all your conduct; 16 for it is written, Be holy, because I am holy."
    We were there once, in ignorance.  Everyone who cares to love the Father and the Son are "called" out of that state of ignorance.  
    "Everyone the Father gives me will come to me, and the one who comes to me I will never cast out."  John 6:37
    Jesus answered, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."  John 14:23
    "Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observation; 21 neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”  Luke 17:20,21
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    And how does that Spirit reach uninspired men?  Did Jesus' spirit create the generation doctrine that has repeatedly failed?  Did Jesus send his Holy Spirit to tell men to set aside a date for Armageddon?  Did Jesus' spirit tell the GB they MUST build Ramapo?  Did Jesus' spirit tell the GB to fight for their money and "rights" in a court of law?  Did he tell them to refuse helping victims of child abuse, to disfellowship them instead of hearing them out?  Did Jesus encourage the hiding of child abuse in the organization....for years?  Would he tell the GB that his priests, the members of his body, MUST NOT BOND TOGETHER?  
    No.  Jesus was not interested in developing land, or hoarding money, or devising a doctrine contrary to the word set down in the Bible, so his ministers would not focus on such a thing either.  (Matt 6:19,20)
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT   
    How is the tetragrammaton pronounced?  Can we take the name of the Father, (not that of any man), and assume that it is okay to hybridize His name by adding to it, essentially creating a name that we feel is correct?   That is how the word, "Jehovah" came to be.
    “Jehoshaphat” - The name Jehoshaphat consists of two elements:
    1) The name יה (Yah) = יהו (Yahu) = יו (Yu), which in turn are abbreviated forms of the Tetragrammaton; the name of the Lord: YHWH.
    2) The verb שפט (shapat), meaning to judge or govern
    “Joel” - The name Joel is most commonly interpreted to be a combination of two elements. The first element is יה (Yah) = יהו (Yahu) = יו (Yu), which is the commonly accepted abbreviated form of יהוה, which is YHWH, the Name of the Lord.
    “Jesus” - The first part is the appellative יה (Yah) = יהו (Yahu) = יו (Yu), which in turn are abbreviated forms of the Tetragrammaton; the name of the Lord: YHWH, or Yahweh.
    The second element of the name Joshua/Jesus comes from the verb ישע (yasha'), meaning to save or deliver.
     
    I don’t see “Jehovah” in their names at all, which is suppose represent the entire tetragrammaton.  The made-up word “Jehovah”, and how it is vocalized, is more important to you than His qualities; one being TRUTH, not fabrications from the minds of men.  (Ezek 13:9; Jer 23:16; Matt 24:24)
    A "city that is called by My name"/ a people for His name  – the people of the nation of Israel were considered the children of YHWH, a chosen people who were his spiritual and physical “offspring” through Abraham.  They were to bear His laws on their mind and heart – ONLY His laws, not those of men. They would then be considered children made in His image.  Through His Word, they would know God.   A sinner, a liar, wouldn’t be made in the image of God, would he?   He is a God of Truth, Justice and Mercy.  None of those qualities are found in the organization. 
    So, the warning goes out to the anointed in the organization; and those with them. (Rev 18:4-8)  Through their anointing, God’s laws were “written on their heart”.  (Heb 8:10) The early priests of the Temple wore the tetragrammaton on their forehead, a reminder of who they represented – the God of Truth.  (Deut 6:1,2,6-9)  What has happened in the organization to the anointed ones?  Their hearts have been derailed into following the laws of men. (Gal 1:10; 2 Cor 11:20)  They are ruled over by those not anointed. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) Thus the warning that the “holy city” – “New Jerusalem” (Gal 4:26), that is to bear the “name”, of God as His chosen people, (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) has failed in keeping His decrees in Jesus Christ – who is Truth.  As a man, Jesus bore the “name” of God in every facet that one can.  Who are the anointed priests following -  Jesus, or false teachers/prophets who admonish their members to “bear” the name, “Jehovah’s organization” on their mind and heart? 2 Chron 7:12-22  They have fallen into idolatry. (Rev 13:4,17)
    Exod 20:7 – “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.”
    “vain” - שָׁוְא shâvᵉʼ, shawv; or שַׁו shav; from the same as H7722 in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), literally (ruin) or morally (especially guile); figuratively idolatry (as false, subjective), uselessness (as deceptive, objective; also adverbially, in vain):—false(-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.
    “hovah” - הֹוָה hôvâh, ho-vaw'; another form for H1942; ruin:—mischief.
    It is extremely ironic that JWs, as idolaters, push “Jehovah” so vehemently.  That word desecrates the entire meaning of who the Father is.   
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    And who runs this "earthly organization"?  Obviously, it isn't Jesus Christ.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Not one comment directed to the evidence the chart makes.  Who then, are the blind ones?  Who are suffering from cognitive dissonance?  It isn't the elder who made it.  Obviously, the GB "are more concerned about what people thought of them than about what God thought of them."  John 12:43
    Jesus responded to them, “What I teach doesn’t come from me but from the one who sent me. 17 Those who want to follow the will of God will know if what I teach is from God or if I teach my own thoughts. 18 Those who speak their own thoughts are looking for their own glory. But the man who wants to bring glory to the one who sent him is a true teacher and doesn’t have dishonest motives."  John 7:16-18
    These latter day "Pharisees" will not be overlooked from the judgment that comes against them.  Whether one, four, or all eight are removed, the Harlot will go down.  
     "Put on all the armor that God supplies. In this way you can take a stand against the devil’s strategies. 12 This is not a wrestling match against a human opponent. We are wrestling with rulers, authorities, the powers who govern this world of darkness, and spiritual forces that control evil in the heavenly world. 
    13 For this reason, take up all the armor that God supplies. Then you will be able to take a stand during these evil days. Once you have overcome all obstacles, you will be able to stand your ground.
    14 So then, take your stand! Fasten truth around your waist like a belt. Put on God’s approval as your breastplate. 15 Put on your shoes so that you are ready to spread the Good News that gives peace. 16 In addition to all these, take the Christian faith as your shield. With it you can put out all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Also take salvation as your helmet and God’s word as the sword that the Spirit supplies."  Eph 6
    God's word is truth, never a lie.  Someone here excused the "massive" mistakes made by the organization over the years.  Massive - telling people that Armageddon would arrive and to prepare for it, then blame them for believing their lie, when it didn't come.  That is certainly massive.  And how many times did this occur?  How many people were effected by a LIE?  WHO IS THE FATHER OF THE LIE?  It is blasphemy to think God and Jesus Christ who is truth, would excuse these "massive" errors.  
    Your focus is totally opposite than what scripture tells us.  While your eyes are locked in to the actions taking place on this earth, you have blinded yourself to the true spiritual war at hand - truth against lies. The GB, who cannot accurately provide the meaning of "this generation" since it relies on a false date, 1914, cannot provide truth to fight against the evil one.  They are holding on to their lie and convince the blind to remain under their control and to readily accept their falsehoods.  Those who commented here, are "drunk" on the Harlot's "wine"/teachings; so drunk, they cannot see what the chart reveals.  Rev 2:20; 17:1,2,17,18; Isa 29:7-14
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Recently, the expressions of a circuit overseer prompted a “PIMO” elder (meaning physically still “in” the organization, but mentally “out”) to share his thoughts on the overseer’s sixty-minute talk.  He jotted down the frequency of these words he heard during the talk - governing body, Jehovah, Jesus, God, love.
    He created the pie chart below exposing the shocking narcissism of false prophets in a governing position, overtly setting their unauthorized rulership above that of Jesus Christ.  (Matt 24:24,25; Luke 22:24-27; 2 Tim 3:1-8; Rev 13:11-14)
    What is the chance of a co-rulership of unfaithful anointed “kings of the earth” (“ten horns”) and the Beast/body of elders, casting out - disfellowshipping - these spiritual Harlots/wicked steward? (Isa 57:3,4; Hos 9:1; Luke 16:2; Matt 24:48-51) (Rev 1:5; 17:12)
    There is a 100 percent chance.  (Hab 2:2-16)
    The power of the elder body in high positions, has gradually been growing in recent years.  As the “man of lawlessness”, this body has successfully usurped the position of God’s priesthood and “living stones” of His Temple dwelling. The anointed role of God’s choice of teachers and messengers sent by Christ, has been ignored, demeaned and “trampled” by the elder body/counterfeit priesthood. (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Eccl 10:5-7; Dan 8:11,24; 12:7; Rev 11:2; 13:1,5-7; Matt 24:15,16) (Mal 2:7; John 13:20; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rom 15:16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    A jockeying for power of the Harlot’s prominence and lordship, will most likely fester resentment in the high-ranking elders, resulting in “her” sins being exposed.  The creator of the pie chart made the statement, “I knew the push for near God-like worship of the Governing Body is at an all time high, however even these numbers surprised me. It was way worse than I ever imagined.”
     “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.”  Rev 17:12,13,15-17
    “And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”  Rev 18:4
     
    Once the Org./Beast turns on "her", the punishment of her plagues is already released.
    It is no longer possible to escape sharing in her punishment. 
    So, it is not that it is too late to repent, 
    but it is too late to repent as a means to avoid the harlot's punishment.
    What is "part of her plagues"? 
    The Beast turning on her is one. The very Gentiles she used on her brothers…
    (Rev 13:15; 11:7; 6:9; 18:24; Jer 51:49; Matt 23:35,37; Rev 11:7,8)
    …come around to her (Rev 17:16; Ezek 16:37,39; 23:9,17,22,28,35; Hos 2:3,10; Nahum 3:5,6)
    This is the plague of the locust-scorpions (constituents of the Gentile Wild Beast).
    For a time, that plague is only on the unsealed (anointed) who are dominated by the Org. (Rev 9:3,4,5,10;13:7)
    Only "a third" who are disciplined, repent (Rev 9:18,20;8:7-12;Zech 13:8,9) 
    (Jer 3:3; Amos 4:4,5,9,11,12; Rev 6:1,2,8,16,17).
    Once the Org. becomes the eighth king (Rev 17:11,12);
    all still inside are no longer worshiping the image of the Wild Beast because of the false prophet/wicked steward's priestly directive to do so (Rev 13:14,15,8;19:20).
    They are then simply worshiping directly, a Gentile god 
    (Exod 23:24; Deut 29:25-27; Jer 44:3; Dan 11:37-31)
    The Eighth King/Punishment of the Great Harlot

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    And who runs this "earthly organization"?  Obviously, it isn't Jesus Christ.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Not one comment directed to the evidence the chart makes.  Who then, are the blind ones?  Who are suffering from cognitive dissonance?  It isn't the elder who made it.  Obviously, the GB "are more concerned about what people thought of them than about what God thought of them."  John 12:43
    Jesus responded to them, “What I teach doesn’t come from me but from the one who sent me. 17 Those who want to follow the will of God will know if what I teach is from God or if I teach my own thoughts. 18 Those who speak their own thoughts are looking for their own glory. But the man who wants to bring glory to the one who sent him is a true teacher and doesn’t have dishonest motives."  John 7:16-18
    These latter day "Pharisees" will not be overlooked from the judgment that comes against them.  Whether one, four, or all eight are removed, the Harlot will go down.  
     "Put on all the armor that God supplies. In this way you can take a stand against the devil’s strategies. 12 This is not a wrestling match against a human opponent. We are wrestling with rulers, authorities, the powers who govern this world of darkness, and spiritual forces that control evil in the heavenly world. 
    13 For this reason, take up all the armor that God supplies. Then you will be able to take a stand during these evil days. Once you have overcome all obstacles, you will be able to stand your ground.
    14 So then, take your stand! Fasten truth around your waist like a belt. Put on God’s approval as your breastplate. 15 Put on your shoes so that you are ready to spread the Good News that gives peace. 16 In addition to all these, take the Christian faith as your shield. With it you can put out all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Also take salvation as your helmet and God’s word as the sword that the Spirit supplies."  Eph 6
    God's word is truth, never a lie.  Someone here excused the "massive" mistakes made by the organization over the years.  Massive - telling people that Armageddon would arrive and to prepare for it, then blame them for believing their lie, when it didn't come.  That is certainly massive.  And how many times did this occur?  How many people were effected by a LIE?  WHO IS THE FATHER OF THE LIE?  It is blasphemy to think God and Jesus Christ who is truth, would excuse these "massive" errors.  
    Your focus is totally opposite than what scripture tells us.  While your eyes are locked in to the actions taking place on this earth, you have blinded yourself to the true spiritual war at hand - truth against lies. The GB, who cannot accurately provide the meaning of "this generation" since it relies on a false date, 1914, cannot provide truth to fight against the evil one.  They are holding on to their lie and convince the blind to remain under their control and to readily accept their falsehoods.  Those who commented here, are "drunk" on the Harlot's "wine"/teachings; so drunk, they cannot see what the chart reveals.  Rev 2:20; 17:1,2,17,18; Isa 29:7-14
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in ELDER'S REFLECTIONS ON A MEETING WITH THE C.O.   
    Recently, the expressions of a circuit overseer prompted a “PIMO” elder (meaning physically still “in” the organization, but mentally “out”) to share his thoughts on the overseer’s sixty-minute talk.  He jotted down the frequency of these words he heard during the talk - governing body, Jehovah, Jesus, God, love.
    He created the pie chart below exposing the shocking narcissism of false prophets in a governing position, overtly setting their unauthorized rulership above that of Jesus Christ.  (Matt 24:24,25; Luke 22:24-27; 2 Tim 3:1-8; Rev 13:11-14)
    What is the chance of a co-rulership of unfaithful anointed “kings of the earth” (“ten horns”) and the Beast/body of elders, casting out - disfellowshipping - these spiritual Harlots/wicked steward? (Isa 57:3,4; Hos 9:1; Luke 16:2; Matt 24:48-51) (Rev 1:5; 17:12)
    There is a 100 percent chance.  (Hab 2:2-16)
    The power of the elder body in high positions, has gradually been growing in recent years.  As the “man of lawlessness”, this body has successfully usurped the position of God’s priesthood and “living stones” of His Temple dwelling. The anointed role of God’s choice of teachers and messengers sent by Christ, has been ignored, demeaned and “trampled” by the elder body/counterfeit priesthood. (Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Eccl 10:5-7; Dan 8:11,24; 12:7; Rev 11:2; 13:1,5-7; Matt 24:15,16) (Mal 2:7; John 13:20; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rom 15:16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    A jockeying for power of the Harlot’s prominence and lordship, will most likely fester resentment in the high-ranking elders, resulting in “her” sins being exposed.  The creator of the pie chart made the statement, “I knew the push for near God-like worship of the Governing Body is at an all time high, however even these numbers surprised me. It was way worse than I ever imagined.”
     “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 
    Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.”  Rev 17:12,13,15-17
    “And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.”  Rev 18:4
     
    Once the Org./Beast turns on "her", the punishment of her plagues is already released.
    It is no longer possible to escape sharing in her punishment. 
    So, it is not that it is too late to repent, 
    but it is too late to repent as a means to avoid the harlot's punishment.
    What is "part of her plagues"? 
    The Beast turning on her is one. The very Gentiles she used on her brothers…
    (Rev 13:15; 11:7; 6:9; 18:24; Jer 51:49; Matt 23:35,37; Rev 11:7,8)
    …come around to her (Rev 17:16; Ezek 16:37,39; 23:9,17,22,28,35; Hos 2:3,10; Nahum 3:5,6)
    This is the plague of the locust-scorpions (constituents of the Gentile Wild Beast).
    For a time, that plague is only on the unsealed (anointed) who are dominated by the Org. (Rev 9:3,4,5,10;13:7)
    Only "a third" who are disciplined, repent (Rev 9:18,20;8:7-12;Zech 13:8,9) 
    (Jer 3:3; Amos 4:4,5,9,11,12; Rev 6:1,2,8,16,17).
    Once the Org. becomes the eighth king (Rev 17:11,12);
    all still inside are no longer worshiping the image of the Wild Beast because of the false prophet/wicked steward's priestly directive to do so (Rev 13:14,15,8;19:20).
    They are then simply worshiping directly, a Gentile god 
    (Exod 23:24; Deut 29:25-27; Jer 44:3; Dan 11:37-31)
    The Eighth King/Punishment of the Great Harlot

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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    EACH head/ruler of the Beast is covered with blasphemous names, from Russell to today’s spiritual Harlots/GB. Rev 13:1,11,12  Why? Because its very existence opposes, blasphemes the living Temple of God in the anointed ones. (Dan 11:15,16,31,32,36-38; Matt 24:15; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2)   It is the man of lawlessness that sits – RULES – over the anointed “living stones”, Temple/dwelling of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:18)  It is your organization.  Nowhere, in the scriptures does Christ or the apostles advocate the existence of an earthly organization, to replace the anointed Body of Christ.  When the GB is kicked out, the composite “eighth king” will continue to blaspheme the Temple of God.  Rev 17:12-14
    Now, is the time to FLEE.  Rev 18:4-8
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 'There was no reprimand, nothing changed': Survivors criticise Jehovah's Witness elders for failing to act over child sexual abuse claims   
    Wednesday 1 September 2021 21:44, UK
    https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
    The Jehovah's Witnesses church says its elders "endeavour to comply with secular laws about reporting allegations of abuse" - but survivors say that does not necessarily translate to helping the authorities.
     
    "I don't like the way he touches me."
    That is how Emily described her abuse to elders at the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall she attended in Loughborough.
    Emily (not her real name) was eight-years-old and the man she accused was a ministerial servant in his 60s.
    What followed was a series of failings that allowed him to continue abusing children for years to come. Sky News has spoken to several abuse victims who claim there is a culture within the Jehovah's Witnesses that fails those looking for help and puts others at risk.Problems include a failure to report allegations to the police, and a system that requires high levels of proof from the victim, but also allows a repentant abuser to remain within the congregation - at times without other members being told what they have done.Emily was sexually abused from the age of four - but when she reported the crime to elders in 1990, they did not call the police and told her she had made it all up.She told Sky News: "There was a phrase that they used a lot which is 'liars will not inherit God's kingdom', which is basically saying you're going to die at Armageddon, because you're a liar."

    One survivor said they were treated as liars, and that they would therefore 'die at Armageddon'
    It's a long and very truthful article, but well worth reading.
    It gives true perspective to the JW Org and the ones that rule it. 
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