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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in 'There was no reprimand, nothing changed': Survivors criticise Jehovah's Witness elders for failing to act over child sexual abuse claims   
    JW members (the vast majority of them) are lost in their illusions they have accepted from WTJWorg. Because they consider all the people around them, who are not JWs, “enemies” and only themselves the only righteous and honest people, who are, as they say, the only true worshipers of God, it brings them into one of the most dangerous situations one can find oneself; proclamation of self-righteousness.
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in The state of this discussion forum.   
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in GB David Splane's "Way of Holiness"   
    His statement is ridiculous. Well, didn't Jesus establish and open the way when he was on Earth? Plus, the challenge of being right and clean never ends.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in GB David Splane's "Way of Holiness"   
    A good park or backcountry trail could be compared to a smooth highway accessible for every vehicle’s use.  Over the years, my husband shared with me the necessary building techniques needed to create a user-friendly hiking trail. His skills enhanced the user’s experience with nature; balancing the need to care for the environment, while also keeping in mind the goal of the hiker.  He had the ability to deftly and carefully merge what nature had to offer, by creating a trail that would lead one to experience it.
    Good techniques limit the need for maintenance, yet maintenance is ultimately scheduled, to check erosion, for the removal of downed trees, and removal of any cause for stumbling that would detract from the hiker’s view of his surroundings, while on the trail. The goal is not to worry about possible obstacles ahead, but to ensure that the experience that the path provides, remains top-notch.
    These trails that we enjoy are created by men, and they could never be perfect.  However, the Bible tells us of a way, a path of Holiness, built by God and Jesus.  It describes it as a lofty, exalted highway leading to eternal life.  The Hebrew word for “holiness” means “apartness, sacredness, the divinity and holiness of God”. The highway would be flawless, with no maintenance needed on this perfect path.  (Isa.35:8; 40:3; Ps.118:20; Isa.57:14; 62:10)
    The way of Holiness is illuminated with the light of Christ – the wisdom of God found in His decrees and the teachings of Jesus. (Ps 119:130; 27:11; Isa 2:3)  He prepared the way for salvation and the receiving of righteousness from God. (2 Cor 5:21; Titus 3:5; Eph 2:8; Heb 7:25; Rev 5:9,10) The person who steps onto this path, experiences the light and truth of Christ by following in his footsteps; which ultimately leads to the joy of eternal life in the Kingdom of God.  (1 Pet 2:21; 1 John 2:6; Luke 22:28,29)  
    However, this isn’t what a governing body member will have you believe.  At the Annual Meeting of this year, David Splane stated that the highway of holiness “was opened for travelers” in 1919, when the “testing and refinement of God’s people foretold at Mal 3:1-4, was complete.”  Keep in mind that after 1919, there were many false predictions established, and changed doctrine initially laid out as truth; failed “light” later discarded over the years. (Isa 5:20;8:20; 50:10,11; John 15:5-7; James 1:17)  
    Such motivation to teach illusions from the minds of men, is not a sign that the organization and its leaders ever reached refinement from sin. (Jer 23:26,27; Ps 119:118; Matt 7:15-20) It is a sign that its leadership persisted in the actions of their predecessors, gradually raising a figurative siege ramp and walls of lies precariously set on the shaky foundation their predecessors laid. (Ps 119:150; Ezel 13:4-7,14; Hab 1:9,10; Dan 11:15; Rev 11:1,2)
    The words of these men have polluted the teachings of Jesus Christ. (Matt 15:9; 2 Cor 11:3,4; 2 Tim 4:3; Gal 1:6-9)  As evident from the governing leader’s talk, they continue in this vein down to today. (Jer 18:15; Isa 59:8)
    A siege ramp? (Ezek 4:1-3)  Yes. This is a spiritual war. (2 Cor 10:3-5;Eph 6:11-14) God’s anointed under covenant are held captive and “tested” by these lying teachings (Luke 22:31; Lam 3:7,9; 4:20; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,5-7; Rev 16:13-16; 12:1-4; 20:7-9).
    Unless they reach out for refinement with Jesus’ help, they will remain in a climate of cold darkness and spiritual famine, with the eventuality of the house falling down around them.  (Lam 2:14; Rev 2:4,5,20,21; Lam 3:1,2; John 8:12;12:46; Lam 5:4;3:19; Rev 8:10,11;13:11,12,16,17; Lam 5:9; Rev 13:10; John 4:10; 6:35; Rev 22:17) (Lam 4:11; Matt 7:24-27)
    According to the organization, 1919 was the end of religious captivity, and Babylon the Great “fell” that year.  How confusing, when JWs are said to still be leaving Babylon when entering the organization; and they regularly prophesy that Babylon the Great, “the empire of false religion” is yet to fall.  The world’s religions were not affected in the least when the small number of Rutherford’s followers began their preaching work; most religions have grown, exponentially.   Within 2 years after 1919, it is said that a “faithful and discreet slave”, industriously produced the publication, the Harp of God.  Let’s just say, this book is chock full of visions from a false prophet’s mind. (Jer 23:16,21; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)  What brazen boldness to mention it to the leader’s audience, placing it on a pedestal by boasting that before it ceased printing, 6 million plus copies were circulated. (Ps 52:1-4)  It is a book of incredible falsehoods, baited with a small sprinkling of truth. (Eccl 9:12; Ps 64:5; 66:11) This means that lies infiltrated the hearts and minds of the innocent, throughout the realm of Wt’s preaching at the time.  He didn’t dare quote from its pages and face embarrassment, but why not share just one of its many infamous remarks:
    “In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  
    The speaker described it as a “simple” book for beginners “to come into the truth”. It is undoubtedly, a way of confusion, leading one far from the straight path of truth in Jesus Christ. (Isa 40:3; 42:16; Prov 16:17) Instead, JWs follow a crooked road of twisted teachings and unfulfilled promises, that the organization’s leaders are experts at envisioning. If the Harp of God was “simple truth”, would it not be placed on the shelf and referred to today?   This signifies that when one enters the organization by stepping onto their counterfeit “highway of holiness”, that person has sunk deep into the mire of “Babylon”, the promised broad road leading to death.  (Eccl 10:3; Ps. 1:1; Prov 4:14; Isa 57:20; 28:7,8,14,15; Rev 13:1,11,12;17:1,3,5,6; 18:4-8; Matt 7:13)
    D. Splane stated, “every good road needs ongoing maintenance”. He mentioned that although CT Russel died in 1916, he takes part in the maintenance on the road. He claimed that Russell and his associates have looked down from heaven since 1919; apparently not missing the inauguration of the highway’s opening.  From heaven, Russell helps ensure that all future offerings of spiritual food provide the clear path out of Babylon the Great and onto their counterfeit “highway of holiness”.  Can a false prophet, as Russell was, ensure a clear path to truth?  (Ps 119:118; John 8:44; Matt 24:11,24;1 John 4:1)
    Their concept of this road is of course, one fabricated by false teachers, and not by God and Jesus Christ.  It is full of potholes, lies, rotten teachings, discarded doctrine; all are stumbling blocks that detract the traveler from any progressive spiritual experience in truth, that one should have in their relationship with God and Jesus Christ.  (Ps 119:105; John 1:1,4,5; John 14:6) This governing leader has blasphemed the holiness of God with his fantasies.  It’s interesting, but when he mentioned his version of the path of holiness and the perpetual maintenance needed, I immediately envisioned a hot, black, sticky asphalt road, each year needing a new coat of tar and gravel, to fill its holes and cracks. No cognizant person walking this road, would be anxious to use it again.  (Prov 1:15,16; 4:26)
    He says, “The way of holiness is open, but maintenance on that way of holiness goes on and what’s the goal?  It’s to make it as easy as possible for people to identify Babylon the Great, and to leave Babylon the Great, that is the goal”.
    On the contrary; the goal behind the existence of the organization and its leadership, is to make it “easy” to enter and remain in “Babylon”, without one realizing it. False prophets have deceived their listeners who set foot on their fabricated “highway”, and the spiritually blind grope their way along it. (Lam 4:14; Isa 59:10) Those who follow this dark path are at the mercy of Satan’s “Beasts”.  They are at the mercy of spiritual “harlots” who have left their covenant in Christ; and, they are at the mercy of thieves. (Prov 7:24-27; John 10:7-10)  These are the deceptions that have overcome the holy ones.  (Rev 13:7; Dan 8:11,12; Matt 24:24,25; Rev 13:14,15; 2:20)  
    “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.” 1 Pet 2:1-3
    There are two definitions for the word, “fabricator”.   
    #1 – a person who devises or invents something, especially a lie or a fictional narrative or character:
    #2 – a person or company that produces a product, especially in an industrial process.
    The organization’s false prophets/teachers have fulfilled both meanings.  They have manufactured a “highway” of lies, leading to a fabricated and destructive…industrial…“Gentile” giant, the iron Beast that has trampled down God’s Temple in the anointed.  (Dan 2:40-42; 7:19; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 9:1-4,9-11)
    To walk on the path of Holiness, we analyze our personal spiritual obstacles, avoiding teachings that defy the word of God. (Prov 2:10-16; Ps 119:127,128) This requires wariness of Satan’s schemes; it requires redemption from sin, and the shedding of false doctrine found in the publications that litter the organization’s highway. (Luke 22:31; 1 Pet 5:8; Ps 119:134; Matt 9:17; 1 Pet 1:6-9; Eph 5:6-11)
    It requires courage, obedience and faith in the decrees of God in Christ. (1 Cor 16:13; Ps 119:138; John 5:24)  Our eyes are then opened to the distinct, clear difference of what is truth in Jesus Christ, and what is a lie called truth, taught by deceitful men. (Jer 31:8; Isa 42:16; Heb 12:13; Prov 4:18)  
    The scriptures in Nahum 2 that the book quotes, not only sheds light on today’s Harlot, her Beast/organization that she directs, and its coming destruction, but it promises the “restoration of Jacob”, the restoration of the spiritual Temple of truth, when the trampling of God’s holy people comes to an end.   (Isa 49:6; Dan. 7:25; 8:11-14; Rev 11:2,3; Mal 3:1-3) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22)
    Jesus clearly knew his path. One of his fellows tried to dissuade him (Matt 16:22,23).
    The path of holiness is also clear during this time of great test and sorting (Amos 9:8-13; Isa 54:8,11,9,10; Rev 6:14; Heb 12:27; 1 Cor 3:13,14; Ps 102:26).
    Will we hide our "talent of gold" and shrink back to destruction? (John 12:42; Matt 25:25,30; Heb 10:38,39; Rom 1:17) 
    Spirit and scripture, make the path of life clear; along with the requirements to be on it. 
    (Matt 7:14; Isa 35:8; 40:3; 62:10; Matt 24:16; Ezek 36:8; Isa 49:11; Jer 50:5; Ps 118:20; Rev 19:8) (Ezek 17:23; Matt: 31,32)
    Pearl Doxsey - Hide or Herald, Stay or Flee?

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    If the signs of the coming Kingdom are spiritual signs, which they are, then a Christian should be more concerned with what is happening within their heart and not within the world where Satan has power over.  Luke 17:20,21
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    Witness got a reaction from xero in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    On page 22.  Thank you!
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    This might often be true. But more often it brings a polite "no thank you" from those who don't want to listen. The proportion of countries where there is outright persecution and banning of our work has actually improved. In most countries of the world the reaction to our message is non-violent, even peaceful. And sometimes, it is obviously still quite enthusiastically positive. The 8.6 million plus publishers in 2019 conducted 9.6 million Bible Studies, and 300,000 new ones were baptized. That's nearly a third of a million new persons. And shows that on average there was more than one Bible Study conducted per publisher.
    Of course, you picked the numbers from 2020 which dropped from 2019. @Witness already pointed out that they actually dropped .6% (which is based on the average monthly publishers, not just the "peak" which you quoted above). But the bigger drop from 2019 to 2020 was the number of Bible Studies which dropped 20%.
    2019: Average Bible Studies * Each Month: 9,618,182 2020: Average Bible Studies * Each Month: 7,705,765 They dropped by nearly TWO MILLION in one year! (Partly because we were asked not to keep studying with persons if there was no apparent progress.) But notice that they weren't replaced by new studies, so that the average is now much less than one Bible Study per publisher.
    Also note the number of new ones baptized also dropped by 20%:
    2019: Total Number Baptized *: 303,866 2020: Total Number Baptized *: 241,994 And unfortunately, this also means that over 300,000 persons left the Witnesses between 2019 and 2020 for there to still be a decrease even though so many were baptized. Some leave by death or disfellowshipping, but the vast majority of these 300,000 must have decided to leave.
    And the 2021 numbers are already in, and the Society was not able to report an increase in publishers this year, except in a few individual branches.
    This also means that there is no need for additional congregations, so I'm guessing that the number will continue to remain about the same, or more likely decrease. I wouldn't look for a 20% increase in congregations to 144,000 even though you think that number of congregations is somehow significant. Anecdotally, I already heard about a couple special language congregations (New York and Los Angeles) that are being dropped and reverting to their original congregations.
    You are telling people that this system will go on for another 20 years, which is very unfaithful and indiscreet in light of Jesus' warning that the end could come at any time, as if without warning, like a thief in the night.
    The response appears to be diminishing, but wasn't your original point about how violent and hostile we can expect the response to be?
    There is nothing about this in the Bible. Paul wasn't speaking of an outbreak resulting in a proclamation, he was just agreeing with 2 Peter 3:3 that there have been ridiculers since the first century saying they don't believe this parousia is coming because they can still talk about the relative peace and security that allows them to eat, drink, get married, etc. Adding to the Bible that we should wait for a proclamation by political kings shows a lack of discretion and a lack of discernment. Remember that Jesus, too, spoke of the time coming as a time of relative peace and security when he compared it to a time when you might be asleep in your house, or working in a field, or grinding at a mill, or doing any of the things that people were doing in Noah's day or in Sodom when the end came, essentially without warning.
    Just like Jesus, both Paul and Peter added that it would come "as a thief in the night." This way, no one would get the impression that we should look for some "proclamation by political kings" of peace and security. (Nor wait for some specific proclamation by ridiculers that "things are going on [peacefully and securely] just as from creation's beginning.")
    For the same reason, there can be no specific time when any of us (GB included) can declare in advance that it is now time for a "final message of divine destruction." That would only show a level of presumptuousness and indiscretion. It would make us wise in our own eyes, and completely unfaithful to Jesus' words that "no one knows the day or the hour" because "it will come as a thief in the night."
    Ah! Something we can agree on! 😊
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    Witness reacted to Dmitar in CHINA: Fake News vs. Real News   
    Can you explain, why worldly matters should be a grave concern to a Christian? Did Jesus and the Apostles advocate against Rome for their treatment of their people? Do, you believe it was Christians that burned Rome by the words of Nero? Can you give me an example where Jesus spoke about politics as a topic?
    Isn't your statement as a Jehovah's Witness the very definition of being part of this world. You have just answered your own question.
    Once again, don’t compare your personal behavior as a Jehovah’s Witness with my intention here. I’m not the one being pretentious.
    I find no benefit in being quarrelsome as you wish me to be.
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    They have never been or now been witnessing to people, do you know how dumb that word 'witnessing' sounds. They are partakers in a business model of a pyramid scheme. They don't preach the Way, they preach the watchtower company.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    Indeed, and that just shows you where the Governing Body of the Watchtower/JW org are. 
    The GB and many JWs, especially Elders are Sexually Immoral, they 'murder' people spiritually, they idolize the JW Org, and they love and practice lying.  
    You seem to fit in there very nicely Rambo. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Big Villain   
    From the book, “Judgment Day Must Wait”, by Poul Bregninge, comes this comment from an active elder at the time of his interview:      
    “For me it is the organization itself that is the big villain.  It has quietly, through 125 years, had its own independent life.  In its pure youth, we could perhaps connect the activities with a degree of sincerity, but it has since grown too big and strong, and all humility is gone.  It has been immensely self-satisfied and even forgotten to serve its supporters.  Instead, it sits on a throne, from which it requires unconditional obedience of its often fanatically loyal subjects.  Most Jehovah’s Witnesses have quietly become accustomed to it, and they do not even see it.  I still have a strong belief in God and I am indignant at the fact that an organization has put itself in God’s place and can get away with it.  It is tragic!  You can secretly hope that God will open people’s eyes, but he seems sadly silent.  Yet the organization is alive and well.  There are plenty of members who willingly support it and bring it nourishment; it’s really an excellent system in that respect.  The Witnesses slave away for it their entire lives, without getting especially much in return, and the organization just shows more and more greed.  But as long as its leaders can maintain the illusion that they are installed by God, as Jehovah’s “channel”, it works, apparently”. 
    Unless this elder has come to realize it since his comment was written on paper, he has described the “man of lawlessness” that has risen over the years, and taken its “throne”, its “seat”, in the Temple of God.  It has replaced His anointed priesthood, with the elder body. (2 Chron 23:6,7) This “big villain” was prophesied to trample down God’s priests, the “living stones” and dwelling of His spirit. (Num 18:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) (Dan 7:7,8,21; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1,2)
    It has cast God’s laws in Christ aside, disregarding the reverence of the Body of Christ  - His spiritual Temple.   (Neh 1:7; 9:26; Lev 19:30; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 12:12,27; Eph 4:11-13)
    It is one of three villains or “Beasts” to “make war with the saints”, God’s holy people under covenant, through the practice of deceit.  (Luke 22:31; Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,7,10-15; 16:13-16; 20:7,8; 12:3,4,15,17)
    2 Thess 2:1-4 – “Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”
    In the shadow of 1914, known as the “day of the Lord”, the “man of lawlessness” thrives in the praise it receives from those “marked” as its slaves.  (Rom 6:16; 1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; 2 Pet 2:19; Rev 13:16,17)
    It is the machinery, the inner workings of the organization depicted in the “Gentile” elder body. Its image as spirit-directed, requires “worship” and full obedience, in exchange for protection and salvation.  (Exod 20:3,4; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:15,16,4; Judges 10:14; 1 Thess 5:3)
    He is a rare elder indeed, to recognize that the organization has “put itself in God’s place”. (Exod 23:13; Hos 4:12; Isa 46:5)
    However, it has been guided to accomplish this, through its governing leaders.  (Eccl 5:8; Dan 11:31,36-38; 8:11,24;Luke 22:25-27; Matt 24:48,49; Rev 8:10,11; 13:12; 9:1-4,7,8; 12:17; 9:9; Joel 1:4-6; Rev 17:3)
     
    Pearl Doxsey -
    Clearly, it is the chosen priests who are to "re-adjust" sinners in a spirit of gentleness. This is their job as symbolic incense burners within God's Temple of anointed (1 Cor 3:16).
    So we see that the symbolic prophecies in Ezekiel regarding the "elders of Israel" burning incense within the temple, is certainly considered by God as an abomination, as well as the rebellion of the governing priests who dare to place them there (Ezek 43:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9).

    This offense is alive and well today, as the governing body of the Watchtower has arranged for not - anointed elders to usurp God's chosen priests, perform their exclusive duties, and throw out any of them that protest this abominable disrespect toward God and His Holy Temple. (Heb 12:22-25,21,28,29; 1 Cor 3:17)
    The Disgusting Thing
     
    If the elder only understood that his ability to “see” the organization for what it is, an idol and an enemy particularly against the anointed, (Rev 13:7; 20:9) he may perceive that it is by the grace of God that our eyes are opened to both the deceit and the idolatry practiced in the organization. (Isa 42:5-9) Perhaps he may then discern that God is listening to the prayers of those who question the false authority, of not only the Wild Beast from the Sea, but that of the Beast/false prophet that directs it. (Rev 13: 11-14) When God’s ancient nation of Israel sinned against His commandments, He removed His protection, allowing them to suffer the consequences of their choices, but not without warning them beforehand, of these consequences. (Neh 1:5-9; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 13:8)
    Upon their frequent fall into sin, including abominations against His sanctuary, God’s prophets declared the need for Israel’s repentance. (Ps 74:1-3) Always, only a remnant submitted to repentance, turned away from their idols, and returned to God.  (Neh 9:13,26, 16-18,27; Lev 26:38,44; Isa 10:22; Zech 13:9; Rev 9:18; 11:3,7;13:15; Rev 12:11; 9:20,21)
    God has been patient with us. (Neh 9:30,31,33)  He hears the outcries of those oppressed, who are held spiritually captive to lies. (Ps 74:21)  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; Ps 10:12; 72:4; 146:7-9; Matt 17:11; Mal 4:5,6; 3:1-3)
    The Father and Jesus are responding to the repentant hearts who desire to know truth, by healing their spiritual blindness. (Deut 32:36; Isa 49:24,25; Luke 4:18; Rev 2:20; 3:18; John 9:6)
    Jesus is right here to lead us to the bountiful Marriage Feast – of feast of truth. (Isa 55:1,2; John 6:35; 14:6; Matt 22:8-10; Rev 22:17)
     The earth already shakes with the voice of God in judgment against these villains, through His servants Jesus sends. (Neh 9:29; Matt 13:41-43; Heb 12:25-27; Rev 11:1-3;6:7;22:12-16) 
    Soon, this judgment through God’s word, will culminate with their end.  (Eccl 3:17; Neh 9:34,35; Isa 42:1-4; Dan 7:21,22,11; 2 Thess 2:8,9; Rev 19:20; 20:10,15; Jer 23:29) (Rev 18:4-8; 10:5-7) 
    Christ's Return - When?
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    Percentage of Increase Over 2019: -0.6    
          2020 Service Year Report of Jehovah’s Witnesses Worldwide
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    Witness got a reaction from Matthew9969 in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    Percentage of Increase Over 2019: -0.6    
          2020 Service Year Report of Jehovah’s Witnesses Worldwide
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Good News of God's Kingdom... News Alert!   
    Percentage of Increase Over 2019: -0.6    
          2020 Service Year Report of Jehovah’s Witnesses Worldwide
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Gog of Magog...   
    In a war, if you knew that the enemy was targeting your friend, wouldn’t you tell that friend it was time to get the heck out of the line of fire?  On the surface, the organization appears to be full of good intent, with good leaders.  But that is where the holy ones are found, and the elder “shepherds” who have taken their place as priests, have been given the authority to tell them not to seek out other anointed, and not to study the Bible, as a group. To any reasonable Christian, this should sound tyrannical. (2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10)  These “shepherds” have the authority to judge the holy ones as unworthy of God’s spirit.  By representing the royal priesthood, they have as “Gentiles”, “entered” the Temple of God, trampling down a people with a flood of lies sourced from a false prophet’s mouth.   (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12,15)
    Under the surface of what appears as righteous, the organization (Magog) is the deceitful enemy against the holy ones.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12)  In light of this, we are told to do one thing - FLEE, and take as many as you can with you.  (Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4,8; Rev 11:1,2; Luke 17:26-30; Rev 18:4-8)
    That, is what you can do about it.
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Gog of Magog...   
    Use your critical thinking skills.
    Who are the “holy ones”? 
    From your Insight Book, p. 1132
    Christian Holy Ones. Persons brought into relationship with God by means of the new covenant are sanctified, cleansed, and set apart for God’s exclusive service by “the blood of the covenant,” the shed blood of Jesus Christ. (Heb 10:29; 13:20) They are thereby constituted “holy ones” (“saints” in KJ and some other versions). Consequently, they do not become “holy ones,” or “saints,” by decree of a man or an organization, but by God, who brings them into covenant relationship with himself through the blood of Jesus Christ. The term “holy ones” applies to all those thus brought into union and joint heirship with Christ, not to a mere few considered to have exceptional holiness. It is also applied in the Bible to them from the beginning of their sanctified course on earth, not being deferred until after their death. Peter says they must be holy because God is holy. (1Pe 1:15, 16; Le 11:44) All the spiritual brothers of Christ in the congregations are frequently called “holy ones.”—Ac 9:13; 26:10; Ro 1:7; 12:13; 2Co 1:1; 13:13.
    As the “wife” of Christ, the entire congregation is represented as wearing bright, clean, fine linen, which stands for “the righteous acts of the holy ones.” (Re 19:7, 8) Against these, while they are on earth, Satan the Devil’s symbolic political “wild beast” is seen in vision waging war. (Re 13:3, 7) Thereby the endurance of the holy ones is severely tested, but they conquer by observing the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.—Re 13:10; 14:12.
    Where do you believe the “holy ones”, the anointed “144,000”,  will be after Armageddon, and a thousand years into it?  The Wt depicts them as being here:

     
    Do you really believe that God and Jesus will allow Gog and Magog to enter “heaven” and “surround the camp of the holy ones?”
    When the enemy surrounds a camp of people, it usually signifies some sort of battle going on, or war.  Will that war be fought in heaven?  Again?  (Rev 12:7-9)  No, the scriptures make it clear that the camp of the holy ones are surrounded on earth.  Do you see this?  Can you analyze these scriptures with open eyes?
    "Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.
     And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."  Rev 13:1,5-7
    The war of Armageddon is a battle of truth against lies.  Your organization and you, fight against the truth in God’s word.  I don’t think you realize your GB and elders would rather see all “holy ones” trampled into silence, than speaking for Christ. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; 1 Cor 3:16,17) Gog and Magog, aka the GB and the organization, are at “war” against truth in God’s word. Your GB member Davis Splane mentioned that JWs are at war.   They prefer to see the anointed who stand up against their organization (yes, just as Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego refused to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar’s idol) “killed” and silenced – which is the trademark of war; this one, is a spiritual war. (Rev 13:15,16; 11:1-3,7)
    But, as hard as your leadership tries, we will not stay silent.  Rev 18:4-8
    There is no uprising after the organization is destroyed at the coming of Jesus Christ.  (2 Thess 2:8; Rev 13:18; 19:20; Dan 7:11; Rev 20:9,10)
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Can a Person Resign From Being One of Jehovah’s Witnesses?   
    You might want to get your facts straight.  I have never "denounced" YHVH/YHWH.  I use it frequently.  And I have never denounced "Adonai", or "Abba", or the "Ancient of Days", or "Elohim".  It is not blasphemy to say the "Almighty God", or "Father" as Jesus did.  In fact your own bible uses the phrase "Almighty God".   If you think one is righteous for uttering the name "Jehovah", I feel very sorry for you.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Pestilences... part of the Composite Sign of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.   
    Now when he was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with things that can be observed"     Luke 17:20
    "with observation".  You are observing the physical easy to SEE, signs.  
     
     Rev. 6:8 - "And I looked, and behold, a pale green horse, and the one seated on it was named Death, and Hades followed after him. And authority was granted to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill by the sword and by famine and by pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth."
    Sword - God's inspired word.  Eph 6:7; Heb 4:12  
    Famine - the absence of spiritual food.   Amos 8:11 - Look, the days are coming,” declares my Lord Yahweh, “when I will send a famine in the land, not a famine for bread and not a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of Yahweh!"
    Pestilence - that word represents "death".  Without the food that Christ provides, we die.  John 6:51
    None of the signs of the end will be literally "observed" as declaring the coming of the Kingdom of God.  They must be spiritually discerned as Jesus said.  Satan's world provides the literal. 1 John 5:19  And the Kingdom will not be born from whatever happens in his unclean world, whatever show Satan will distract us with.  Job 14:4
     nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:21
    "So he answered and said to them, “When evening comes you say, ‘It will be fair weather because the sky is red,’ 3 and early in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy weather, because the sky is red and darkening.’ You know how to evaluate correctly the appearance of the sky, but you are not able to evaluate the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah!” And he left them and went away."  Matt 16:2-4
    Any of us can "evaluate" what's happening in the world as  earthquakes, wars, famines and pestilences, take place; but only those who are the "spiritual man", have the ability to evaluate the signs of the times.  (1 Cor 2:14)
    A Hidden Famine, A Hidden Feast
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Big Villain   
    Check out exjw and jw reddit for the other recent post; and the fb group, if you are a member, for this one. - "JWs, come out of her my people".
    Exjw reddit has over 60,000 members and growing.  The "big villain" and its sins are being exposed.  Not even "Jehovah's organization"  can stop the progress leading to its downfall. 
    Hab 2:6-14
    “Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying,
    “‘Woe to him who piles up stolen goods
        and makes himself wealthy by extortion!
        How long must this go on?’
    7 Will not your creditors suddenly arise?
        Will they not wake up and make you tremble?
        Then you will become their prey.
    8 Because you have plundered many nations,
        the peoples who are left will plunder you.
    For you have shed human blood;
        you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.
    9 “Woe to him who builds his house by unjust gain,
        setting his nest on high
        to escape the clutches of ruin!
    10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples,
        shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.
    11 The stones of the wall will cry out,
        and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.
    12 “Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed
        and establishes a town by injustice!
    13 Has not the Lord Almighty determined
        that the people’s labor is only fuel for the fire,
        that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?
    14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord
        as the waters cover the sea."
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Letter Response to a Phone-witnessing JW   
    Hello John,
    I think we were both surprised at who was on the other end of the call a few days back.  I believe it is very sad that the elders’ decision to mark a person as spiritually dead according to rejection of doctrine devised by men, is a divisive point, dictating whether JWs can speak to another who has left the organization. ( Matt 15:9;Eph 4:14; Heb 13:9; 2 John 1:9)  I don’t know if you are aware that I was disfellowshipped, not because I left God or Jesus Christ, or even because I had sinned; but for rejecting the doctrine of men – 1914 is one of them -  and I rejected an earthly organization as the way to salvation. (Acts 4:12; John 16:2,3; Heb 13:13; Rev 6:9-11; 11:1-3,7;13:15; 12:11) 
    Although, in a sense, I did sin for which I have asked for forgiveness.  I revered a man-made organization – an idol and rival against God Himself.  (Deut 4:23; Exod 20:1-5; 23:13; Isa 40:25; Rom 1:21-25; Acts 17:24,25, 29,30; Rev 13:1,2,4) I have learned since then, that the true “organization” of God is spiritual, and built on the Body of His Son, with anointed “living stones”.  (John 2:19-22; Matt 16:18; John 4:21-24; 1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:9,10)  Anything else, is a counterfeit.
    I have been told by a JW that in the 70’s/80’s, the leadership wanted to drop the doctrine of 1914, but they felt it would “shake the faith” of JWs in the organization. I was rather appalled at hearing this.  Your leaders are fully aware that 1914 is a lie, yet today they disfellowship those who reject this lie, that they must continue to promote.   Is this type of behavior for a servant of Christ, considered a righteous act? Should any wrong teachings be hidden from the members, just to save numbers, just to save the face of the organization, of an idol? (Jer 23:16; Matt 23:25-26; Luke 8:17)
     God’s word tells us that Jesus began ruling over his anointed Christian congregation in the first century, when he sat down at the right hand of God.  (Acts 7:55; 2:33; Luke 22:69; Heb 2:8; 8:1,2; Rev 3:21; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25) In fact the “Happiness” book, chapter 16, paragraph 13 agrees with this; yes, a little known fact that is overshadowed by a great big lie, that Jesus did not begin ruling until 1914. Each faithful anointed one must conquer Satan during their lifetime, as their fleshly life follows in the footsteps of Christ. Those that fail, those that reject Christ’s teachings, become the enemies put at the feet of Christ.  (Luke 22:31; 1 Thess 3:3,4; 2 Tim 4:5; Rev 12:10,11; 1 Cor 15:24-26)  
    Under the circumstances of our call, did you notice how quickly you felt the need to end it?  You could not speak the scriptures with me, without feeling inhibited. You could not hear me out, nor could you give your opinion.  Did we feel inhibited in proving to ourselves what was true when we first studied?  Why would it end now? Defending our belief based on truth, should never end, yet you and I could not have a normal conversation because you were aware that by doing so, your good standing in the organization and before its leadership, could be in jeopardy.    (John 8:31; 2 Cor 2:14-17;1 Pet 3:15; 2 Cor 10:3-6; Acts 17:11)  
    If something seems amiss spoken by an anointed “teacher”, we use God’s word to prove whether what is said, is from Jesus Christ, or whether it is from the hearts of men.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16; Luke 6:45)  We are required by God and Jesus Christ, to do our research.  (Jer 5:31)  This is why Jesus asked the question, “who really is”, among his faithful slaves, the one slave whom he chooses – not someone chosen by men, or voted in  - to dispense spiritual food at the proper time. (Matt 24:45-51) This “slave” would be “inspired”, which your GB admit they are not.  This slave would produce food that “remains”, that never rots, never needing to be replaced with what is called, “new light”; which in actuality, is the discarding of failed teachings.  (Eccl 12:11-14; Jer 13:15,16; Isa 5:20; 50:10,11; Eph 4:14)
     As a steward or manager of God’s spiritual anointed house, this “slave” would gather provisions from all slaves in the house, since that is the job of any house steward. (Luke 12:42; 16:1,2; 1 Cor 12:28)  This isn’t done by the GB, is it?  Your “slave”, gathers “food” from their unanointed elder helpers and ignores the anointed servants of Christ, because their appointment is spiritual.  It cannot be discerned by men who rely on the physical. There is no faith in God’s spiritual choice, but only in the physical choice made by men.  (1 Cor 2:14)  Although,  JWs “trust” that the GB are anointed.  It is interesting where the trust must lie, and where the trust must end.  It ends will all other anointed ones.
    In the time of the end, the “man of lawlessness” “sets itself up” in the Temple of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) You might want to refer to your “Insight” book, vol. 1 pp. 513-514, to comprehend who represent the spiritual Temple of God.  Doing some research should show you that it is God’s “living stones”, His called, chosen anointed priests.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10)  They, are the spiritual house of God, built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles and prophets. (Eph 4:1-16) It is a Temple of truth and wisdom from God. (Prov 9:1; Matt 11:19; John 17:17; Gal 2:9; Eph 1:17; 1 Tim 3:15)
    They only, are chosen as God’s holy people, His “saints”, not all JWs who join them, as the Wt. will have you believe.   But in 2017, “new light” by GB G. Loesch, is now saying that all JWs are part of God’s spiritual Temple. This sounds like Christendom, doesn’t it?   Are all JWs, priests and kings? (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10)  Will all JWs serve God and Jesus in “heaven”, and “on earth”?  (Gen 28:10-17; John 1:51; Rev 5:9,10)  Are they under the new Covenant promise, “Jerusalem above”? Are all JWs, the Bride of Christ?  (Gal 4:26; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 22:17; 21:2,3)
    Why the need to change this seldom witnessed truth, after so many years?  Well, the elders now have full authority to rule and judge God’s anointed priests, even though elders are not anointed with Holy Spirit. (Rom 14:4) This should raise some red flags according to God’s word.   There is an article that describes Korah’s rebellious attitude when he tried to “secure the priesthood”, in Moses’ day.  w02 8/1 p. 10
    The Wt. explains what happened during that time period, and how many were killed for rejecting God’s choice of priests.  Then, the article continues to say,
    Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrews 13:7, 17) How can that be? Paragraph 18
    Yes, how can that be?   Can you imagine Jesus telling his called priests of “Israel”, who have received the “circumcision of the heart”, to remove their symbolic royal garments and step down from being his priests?  Would Jesus say, “hand your royal robes over to the elder body” –  to “uncircumcised” spiritual “Gentiles”. God has never poured out His spirit into the hearts of men who desire to “secure the priesthood” and remove their daily sacrifices.  (Dan 8:12; 12:11; Rev 11:2)  (Rom 2:28,29; 5:5; 1 John 2:27)  Can you imagine Jesus saying, ‘listen to these unanointed men, they have been given authority over you with the ability to judge your spiritual stand, before me.’ (Rom 6:16)  It sounds blasphemous, and never would have occurred in the first century.   (Gal 1:10)  (Isa 63:18; Dan 8:24)
    There is no time in the history of God’s people where His anointed priests were to be replaced or removed.  This was an abomination, a “disgusting thing” to occur in God’s sanctuary, if anyone but His priests were to enter it. And if any unauthorized person did, they were to be killed. ( 1 Samuel 13:9,10,11,13,14; 2 Chronicles 23:6,7; Numbers 3:10; 18:7; Ezek 44:5-9,16; 2 Chron 13:9) (Jer 7:30; Matthew 24:15; Isa.63:18; Daniel 11:31; 2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2-3; Joel 1:13,15; Eze.33:29)
     But, notice what the article continues to say -  
    “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”  Paragraph 20
    Where does this authority come from?  Do you really believe it comes from God? Why give the example of Korah, only to turn around and commit the same abomination, making it clear that the organization’s stand “cannot be challenged”?  Is the organization, on the same level as God? Is it superior to God? Are the words of false teachers more important than God’s word? (Matt 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1)
    “He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”  Dan 8:25
    If we read the scriptures, we see that the abomination standing in the “holy place”, which is God’s Temple, is where the anointed are found, in the organization. (Matt 24:15,16)  Every JW should question why the GB allow this. Yet, the power of men, and their word is much stronger in the JW mind, than the power of God’s word. 
    Is this how you feel?
    Have you noticed how elders must be “honored” in the congregations?  What is said about the anointed?  Are you aware that they must not “bond” together to study the Bible as a group?  Notice how they use cutting, sarcastic language in the magazine, about their meeting as one body under their Head, Jesus Christ: 
    “In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity”  Wt 16/1/24, pp. 22-27
    I implore you to read what the apostle Paul admonished Christ’s members to do. (Matt 18:20; 1 Cor chapter 12; Eph 4:3-13) He stated it would be working against the Holy Spirit if there was no union between the anointed priestly members of Christ’s Body.  Do you see how your leaders have lied to promote the elder body, over the anointed “living stones” of Jesus’ Body?
    Does anyone stop elders from gathering, or the GB?  They do so on a regular basis, but it isn’t allowed for God’s anointed priesthood – the dwelling of His Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 3:16; 17; Heb 8:10) This is evidence that the “man of lawlessness”, with the direction of the GB, has trampled down God’s holy people in the last days. (2 Thess 2:1-4) It is not the UN, or a “coalition of nations” to come, because Jesus said the coming of the Kingdom does not come with observation played out among the nations of the world; it involves his anointed under covenant with him.  (Luke 7:20,21)  Daniel and Revelation speak of an arrogant, deceiving Beast that “makes war” with the “saints” in the last days. This war is a war of words, promoted by false teachers/prophets whose demonic intent is to “deceive the elect”. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10, 5-7)   This is “inhouse”, where a great army of “Gentile” elders have wiped out/overcome a spiritual people – God’s chosen “Israel”, with a “flood” of lies.  (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16)
    If you perceive how the anointed have been downtrodden, if you can see that God’s spiritual temple has been polluted by “Gentiles”, you are to flee. (Matt 24:15,16)   Within each anointed heart, a token of Holy Spirit was given them. (Matt 25:14-30)  As a united body under Jesus Christ, they are to teach the people truth, just as they were assigned to do in the early temple arrangement and just as they did in the first century. (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)  They are to teach God’s word in Christ. (Mal 2:7) Instead, they regurgitate what a wicked slave demands, which are lies about God’s word, and about them.  (Rev 13:16,17)  The token of truth, given at their anointing, has been thrown to the ground in the organization.   (Dan. 8:11,12,24)  Evidence already shows a spiritual famine exists in the Watchtower.  (Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8)
    We have another yet spiritual fulfillment of Luke 21 –
    “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one (“living”) stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”
    7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”
    8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.  “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. (disfellowshipping) 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.”
    I work with anointed ones who have been spiritually “killed”/disfellowshipped for exposing the GB’s lies, false predictions and sins. (Rev 11:1-3)  Because I have a connection with you and XXX, I send this letter and another written by an anointed one.  Her letters are being circulated world-wide.  I hope that you will research the scriptures I have given you, (I apologize if I have written some down in error) and I hope you take it to heart that JWs and God’s holy priesthood are in peril.  Rev 18:4-8 can apply to those who are with the anointed in the organization.   Your “harlot” leaders will pay for their sins, their lies, and for allowing the Temple of God to be trampled. (Rev 17:1-6; 19:20) But before this, the Governing Body will be removed by its own organization. (Rev 17:12,13,15-18)   These spiritual Harlots who have left their covenant in Christ, and who “beat” their fellow slaves, will be disfellowshipped.  (Matt 24:48-51)  Know then, that there is only one symbolic “hour” left, before the eighth king/organization will go down.  I pray that you are not part of it, when that day comes.  (2 Thess 2:3,4,8)
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Big Villain   
    Hey, this one is shorter than most!  But, you'd be surprised how many people elsewhere actually read them...and most importantly...the scriptures!
    You don't have to reply "point by point".  One point will do.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Big Villain   
    From the book, “Judgment Day Must Wait”, by Poul Bregninge, comes this comment from an active elder at the time of his interview:      
    “For me it is the organization itself that is the big villain.  It has quietly, through 125 years, had its own independent life.  In its pure youth, we could perhaps connect the activities with a degree of sincerity, but it has since grown too big and strong, and all humility is gone.  It has been immensely self-satisfied and even forgotten to serve its supporters.  Instead, it sits on a throne, from which it requires unconditional obedience of its often fanatically loyal subjects.  Most Jehovah’s Witnesses have quietly become accustomed to it, and they do not even see it.  I still have a strong belief in God and I am indignant at the fact that an organization has put itself in God’s place and can get away with it.  It is tragic!  You can secretly hope that God will open people’s eyes, but he seems sadly silent.  Yet the organization is alive and well.  There are plenty of members who willingly support it and bring it nourishment; it’s really an excellent system in that respect.  The Witnesses slave away for it their entire lives, without getting especially much in return, and the organization just shows more and more greed.  But as long as its leaders can maintain the illusion that they are installed by God, as Jehovah’s “channel”, it works, apparently”. 
    Unless this elder has come to realize it since his comment was written on paper, he has described the “man of lawlessness” that has risen over the years, and taken its “throne”, its “seat”, in the Temple of God.  It has replaced His anointed priesthood, with the elder body. (2 Chron 23:6,7) This “big villain” was prophesied to trample down God’s priests, the “living stones” and dwelling of His spirit. (Num 18:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) (Dan 7:7,8,21; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:1,2)
    It has cast God’s laws in Christ aside, disregarding the reverence of the Body of Christ  - His spiritual Temple.   (Neh 1:7; 9:26; Lev 19:30; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 1 Cor 12:12,27; Eph 4:11-13)
    It is one of three villains or “Beasts” to “make war with the saints”, God’s holy people under covenant, through the practice of deceit.  (Luke 22:31; Matt 24:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,2,7,10-15; 16:13-16; 20:7,8; 12:3,4,15,17)
    2 Thess 2:1-4 – “Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.”
    In the shadow of 1914, known as the “day of the Lord”, the “man of lawlessness” thrives in the praise it receives from those “marked” as its slaves.  (Rom 6:16; 1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; 2 Pet 2:19; Rev 13:16,17)
    It is the machinery, the inner workings of the organization depicted in the “Gentile” elder body. Its image as spirit-directed, requires “worship” and full obedience, in exchange for protection and salvation.  (Exod 20:3,4; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:15,16,4; Judges 10:14; 1 Thess 5:3)
    He is a rare elder indeed, to recognize that the organization has “put itself in God’s place”. (Exod 23:13; Hos 4:12; Isa 46:5)
    However, it has been guided to accomplish this, through its governing leaders.  (Eccl 5:8; Dan 11:31,36-38; 8:11,24;Luke 22:25-27; Matt 24:48,49; Rev 8:10,11; 13:12; 9:1-4,7,8; 12:17; 9:9; Joel 1:4-6; Rev 17:3)
     
    Pearl Doxsey -
    Clearly, it is the chosen priests who are to "re-adjust" sinners in a spirit of gentleness. This is their job as symbolic incense burners within God's Temple of anointed (1 Cor 3:16).
    So we see that the symbolic prophecies in Ezekiel regarding the "elders of Israel" burning incense within the temple, is certainly considered by God as an abomination, as well as the rebellion of the governing priests who dare to place them there (Ezek 43:6-9; 2 Chron 13:9).

    This offense is alive and well today, as the governing body of the Watchtower has arranged for not - anointed elders to usurp God's chosen priests, perform their exclusive duties, and throw out any of them that protest this abominable disrespect toward God and His Holy Temple. (Heb 12:22-25,21,28,29; 1 Cor 3:17)
    The Disgusting Thing
     
    If the elder only understood that his ability to “see” the organization for what it is, an idol and an enemy particularly against the anointed, (Rev 13:7; 20:9) he may perceive that it is by the grace of God that our eyes are opened to both the deceit and the idolatry practiced in the organization. (Isa 42:5-9) Perhaps he may then discern that God is listening to the prayers of those who question the false authority, of not only the Wild Beast from the Sea, but that of the Beast/false prophet that directs it. (Rev 13: 11-14) When God’s ancient nation of Israel sinned against His commandments, He removed His protection, allowing them to suffer the consequences of their choices, but not without warning them beforehand, of these consequences. (Neh 1:5-9; 2 Thess 2:9,10; Rev 13:8)
    Upon their frequent fall into sin, including abominations against His sanctuary, God’s prophets declared the need for Israel’s repentance. (Ps 74:1-3) Always, only a remnant submitted to repentance, turned away from their idols, and returned to God.  (Neh 9:13,26, 16-18,27; Lev 26:38,44; Isa 10:22; Zech 13:9; Rev 9:18; 11:3,7;13:15; Rev 12:11; 9:20,21)
    God has been patient with us. (Neh 9:30,31,33)  He hears the outcries of those oppressed, who are held spiritually captive to lies. (Ps 74:21)  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; Ps 10:12; 72:4; 146:7-9; Matt 17:11; Mal 4:5,6; 3:1-3)
    The Father and Jesus are responding to the repentant hearts who desire to know truth, by healing their spiritual blindness. (Deut 32:36; Isa 49:24,25; Luke 4:18; Rev 2:20; 3:18; John 9:6)
    Jesus is right here to lead us to the bountiful Marriage Feast – of feast of truth. (Isa 55:1,2; John 6:35; 14:6; Matt 22:8-10; Rev 22:17)
     The earth already shakes with the voice of God in judgment against these villains, through His servants Jesus sends. (Neh 9:29; Matt 13:41-43; Heb 12:25-27; Rev 11:1-3;6:7;22:12-16) 
    Soon, this judgment through God’s word, will culminate with their end.  (Eccl 3:17; Neh 9:34,35; Isa 42:1-4; Dan 7:21,22,11; 2 Thess 2:8,9; Rev 19:20; 20:10,15; Jer 23:29) (Rev 18:4-8; 10:5-7) 
    Christ's Return - When?
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Letter Response to a Phone-witnessing JW   
    Hello John,
    I think we were both surprised at who was on the other end of the call a few days back.  I believe it is very sad that the elders’ decision to mark a person as spiritually dead according to rejection of doctrine devised by men, is a divisive point, dictating whether JWs can speak to another who has left the organization. ( Matt 15:9;Eph 4:14; Heb 13:9; 2 John 1:9)  I don’t know if you are aware that I was disfellowshipped, not because I left God or Jesus Christ, or even because I had sinned; but for rejecting the doctrine of men – 1914 is one of them -  and I rejected an earthly organization as the way to salvation. (Acts 4:12; John 16:2,3; Heb 13:13; Rev 6:9-11; 11:1-3,7;13:15; 12:11) 
    Although, in a sense, I did sin for which I have asked for forgiveness.  I revered a man-made organization – an idol and rival against God Himself.  (Deut 4:23; Exod 20:1-5; 23:13; Isa 40:25; Rom 1:21-25; Acts 17:24,25, 29,30; Rev 13:1,2,4) I have learned since then, that the true “organization” of God is spiritual, and built on the Body of His Son, with anointed “living stones”.  (John 2:19-22; Matt 16:18; John 4:21-24; 1 Pet 2:4-10; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 5:9,10)  Anything else, is a counterfeit.
    I have been told by a JW that in the 70’s/80’s, the leadership wanted to drop the doctrine of 1914, but they felt it would “shake the faith” of JWs in the organization. I was rather appalled at hearing this.  Your leaders are fully aware that 1914 is a lie, yet today they disfellowship those who reject this lie, that they must continue to promote.   Is this type of behavior for a servant of Christ, considered a righteous act? Should any wrong teachings be hidden from the members, just to save numbers, just to save the face of the organization, of an idol? (Jer 23:16; Matt 23:25-26; Luke 8:17)
     God’s word tells us that Jesus began ruling over his anointed Christian congregation in the first century, when he sat down at the right hand of God.  (Acts 7:55; 2:33; Luke 22:69; Heb 2:8; 8:1,2; Rev 3:21; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25) In fact the “Happiness” book, chapter 16, paragraph 13 agrees with this; yes, a little known fact that is overshadowed by a great big lie, that Jesus did not begin ruling until 1914. Each faithful anointed one must conquer Satan during their lifetime, as their fleshly life follows in the footsteps of Christ. Those that fail, those that reject Christ’s teachings, become the enemies put at the feet of Christ.  (Luke 22:31; 1 Thess 3:3,4; 2 Tim 4:5; Rev 12:10,11; 1 Cor 15:24-26)  
    Under the circumstances of our call, did you notice how quickly you felt the need to end it?  You could not speak the scriptures with me, without feeling inhibited. You could not hear me out, nor could you give your opinion.  Did we feel inhibited in proving to ourselves what was true when we first studied?  Why would it end now? Defending our belief based on truth, should never end, yet you and I could not have a normal conversation because you were aware that by doing so, your good standing in the organization and before its leadership, could be in jeopardy.    (John 8:31; 2 Cor 2:14-17;1 Pet 3:15; 2 Cor 10:3-6; Acts 17:11)  
    If something seems amiss spoken by an anointed “teacher”, we use God’s word to prove whether what is said, is from Jesus Christ, or whether it is from the hearts of men.  (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-8,16; Luke 6:45)  We are required by God and Jesus Christ, to do our research.  (Jer 5:31)  This is why Jesus asked the question, “who really is”, among his faithful slaves, the one slave whom he chooses – not someone chosen by men, or voted in  - to dispense spiritual food at the proper time. (Matt 24:45-51) This “slave” would be “inspired”, which your GB admit they are not.  This slave would produce food that “remains”, that never rots, never needing to be replaced with what is called, “new light”; which in actuality, is the discarding of failed teachings.  (Eccl 12:11-14; Jer 13:15,16; Isa 5:20; 50:10,11; Eph 4:14)
     As a steward or manager of God’s spiritual anointed house, this “slave” would gather provisions from all slaves in the house, since that is the job of any house steward. (Luke 12:42; 16:1,2; 1 Cor 12:28)  This isn’t done by the GB, is it?  Your “slave”, gathers “food” from their unanointed elder helpers and ignores the anointed servants of Christ, because their appointment is spiritual.  It cannot be discerned by men who rely on the physical. There is no faith in God’s spiritual choice, but only in the physical choice made by men.  (1 Cor 2:14)  Although,  JWs “trust” that the GB are anointed.  It is interesting where the trust must lie, and where the trust must end.  It ends will all other anointed ones.
    In the time of the end, the “man of lawlessness” “sets itself up” in the Temple of God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) You might want to refer to your “Insight” book, vol. 1 pp. 513-514, to comprehend who represent the spiritual Temple of God.  Doing some research should show you that it is God’s “living stones”, His called, chosen anointed priests.  (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10)  They, are the spiritual house of God, built on the foundation of Jesus Christ, the chief cornerstone, and the apostles and prophets. (Eph 4:1-16) It is a Temple of truth and wisdom from God. (Prov 9:1; Matt 11:19; John 17:17; Gal 2:9; Eph 1:17; 1 Tim 3:15)
    They only, are chosen as God’s holy people, His “saints”, not all JWs who join them, as the Wt. will have you believe.   But in 2017, “new light” by GB G. Loesch, is now saying that all JWs are part of God’s spiritual Temple. This sounds like Christendom, doesn’t it?   Are all JWs, priests and kings? (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 5:9,10)  Will all JWs serve God and Jesus in “heaven”, and “on earth”?  (Gen 28:10-17; John 1:51; Rev 5:9,10)  Are they under the new Covenant promise, “Jerusalem above”? Are all JWs, the Bride of Christ?  (Gal 4:26; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 22:17; 21:2,3)
    Why the need to change this seldom witnessed truth, after so many years?  Well, the elders now have full authority to rule and judge God’s anointed priests, even though elders are not anointed with Holy Spirit. (Rom 14:4) This should raise some red flags according to God’s word.   There is an article that describes Korah’s rebellious attitude when he tried to “secure the priesthood”, in Moses’ day.  w02 8/1 p. 10
    The Wt. explains what happened during that time period, and how many were killed for rejecting God’s choice of priests.  Then, the article continues to say,
    Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. (Hebrews 13:7, 17) How can that be? Paragraph 18
    Yes, how can that be?   Can you imagine Jesus telling his called priests of “Israel”, who have received the “circumcision of the heart”, to remove their symbolic royal garments and step down from being his priests?  Would Jesus say, “hand your royal robes over to the elder body” –  to “uncircumcised” spiritual “Gentiles”. God has never poured out His spirit into the hearts of men who desire to “secure the priesthood” and remove their daily sacrifices.  (Dan 8:12; 12:11; Rev 11:2)  (Rom 2:28,29; 5:5; 1 John 2:27)  Can you imagine Jesus saying, ‘listen to these unanointed men, they have been given authority over you with the ability to judge your spiritual stand, before me.’ (Rom 6:16)  It sounds blasphemous, and never would have occurred in the first century.   (Gal 1:10)  (Isa 63:18; Dan 8:24)
    There is no time in the history of God’s people where His anointed priests were to be replaced or removed.  This was an abomination, a “disgusting thing” to occur in God’s sanctuary, if anyone but His priests were to enter it. And if any unauthorized person did, they were to be killed. ( 1 Samuel 13:9,10,11,13,14; 2 Chronicles 23:6,7; Numbers 3:10; 18:7; Ezek 44:5-9,16; 2 Chron 13:9) (Jer 7:30; Matthew 24:15; Isa.63:18; Daniel 11:31; 2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2-3; Joel 1:13,15; Eze.33:29)
     But, notice what the article continues to say -  
    “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”  Paragraph 20
    Where does this authority come from?  Do you really believe it comes from God? Why give the example of Korah, only to turn around and commit the same abomination, making it clear that the organization’s stand “cannot be challenged”?  Is the organization, on the same level as God? Is it superior to God? Are the words of false teachers more important than God’s word? (Matt 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1)
    “He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.”  Dan 8:25
    If we read the scriptures, we see that the abomination standing in the “holy place”, which is God’s Temple, is where the anointed are found, in the organization. (Matt 24:15,16)  Every JW should question why the GB allow this. Yet, the power of men, and their word is much stronger in the JW mind, than the power of God’s word. 
    Is this how you feel?
    Have you noticed how elders must be “honored” in the congregations?  What is said about the anointed?  Are you aware that they must not “bond” together to study the Bible as a group?  Notice how they use cutting, sarcastic language in the magazine, about their meeting as one body under their Head, Jesus Christ: 
    “In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity”  Wt 16/1/24, pp. 22-27
    I implore you to read what the apostle Paul admonished Christ’s members to do. (Matt 18:20; 1 Cor chapter 12; Eph 4:3-13) He stated it would be working against the Holy Spirit if there was no union between the anointed priestly members of Christ’s Body.  Do you see how your leaders have lied to promote the elder body, over the anointed “living stones” of Jesus’ Body?
    Does anyone stop elders from gathering, or the GB?  They do so on a regular basis, but it isn’t allowed for God’s anointed priesthood – the dwelling of His Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 3:16; 17; Heb 8:10) This is evidence that the “man of lawlessness”, with the direction of the GB, has trampled down God’s holy people in the last days. (2 Thess 2:1-4) It is not the UN, or a “coalition of nations” to come, because Jesus said the coming of the Kingdom does not come with observation played out among the nations of the world; it involves his anointed under covenant with him.  (Luke 7:20,21)  Daniel and Revelation speak of an arrogant, deceiving Beast that “makes war” with the “saints” in the last days. This war is a war of words, promoted by false teachers/prophets whose demonic intent is to “deceive the elect”. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10, 5-7)   This is “inhouse”, where a great army of “Gentile” elders have wiped out/overcome a spiritual people – God’s chosen “Israel”, with a “flood” of lies.  (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16)
    If you perceive how the anointed have been downtrodden, if you can see that God’s spiritual temple has been polluted by “Gentiles”, you are to flee. (Matt 24:15,16)   Within each anointed heart, a token of Holy Spirit was given them. (Matt 25:14-30)  As a united body under Jesus Christ, they are to teach the people truth, just as they were assigned to do in the early temple arrangement and just as they did in the first century. (1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)  They are to teach God’s word in Christ. (Mal 2:7) Instead, they regurgitate what a wicked slave demands, which are lies about God’s word, and about them.  (Rev 13:16,17)  The token of truth, given at their anointing, has been thrown to the ground in the organization.   (Dan. 8:11,12,24)  Evidence already shows a spiritual famine exists in the Watchtower.  (Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8)
    We have another yet spiritual fulfillment of Luke 21 –
    “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one (“living”) stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.”
    7 “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”
    8 He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. 9 When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.  “But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. They will hand you over to synagogues and put you in prison, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. 13 And so you will bear testimony to me. 14 But make up your mind not to worry beforehand how you will defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. (disfellowshipping) 17 Everyone will hate you because of me. 18 But not a hair of your head will perish. 19 Stand firm, and you will win life.”
    I work with anointed ones who have been spiritually “killed”/disfellowshipped for exposing the GB’s lies, false predictions and sins. (Rev 11:1-3)  Because I have a connection with you and XXX, I send this letter and another written by an anointed one.  Her letters are being circulated world-wide.  I hope that you will research the scriptures I have given you, (I apologize if I have written some down in error) and I hope you take it to heart that JWs and God’s holy priesthood are in peril.  Rev 18:4-8 can apply to those who are with the anointed in the organization.   Your “harlot” leaders will pay for their sins, their lies, and for allowing the Temple of God to be trampled. (Rev 17:1-6; 19:20) But before this, the Governing Body will be removed by its own organization. (Rev 17:12,13,15-18)   These spiritual Harlots who have left their covenant in Christ, and who “beat” their fellow slaves, will be disfellowshipped.  (Matt 24:48-51)  Know then, that there is only one symbolic “hour” left, before the eighth king/organization will go down.  I pray that you are not part of it, when that day comes.  (2 Thess 2:3,4,8)
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Pestilences... part of the Composite Sign of Jesus Christ Presence in Kingdom Glory.   
    Now when he was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with things that can be observed"     Luke 17:20
    "with observation".  You are observing the physical easy to SEE, signs.  
     
     Rev. 6:8 - "And I looked, and behold, a pale green horse, and the one seated on it was named Death, and Hades followed after him. And authority was granted to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill by the sword and by famine and by pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth."
    Sword - God's inspired word.  Eph 6:7; Heb 4:12  
    Famine - the absence of spiritual food.   Amos 8:11 - Look, the days are coming,” declares my Lord Yahweh, “when I will send a famine in the land, not a famine for bread and not a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of Yahweh!"
    Pestilence - that word represents "death".  Without the food that Christ provides, we die.  John 6:51
    None of the signs of the end will be literally "observed" as declaring the coming of the Kingdom of God.  They must be spiritually discerned as Jesus said.  Satan's world provides the literal. 1 John 5:19  And the Kingdom will not be born from whatever happens in his unclean world, whatever show Satan will distract us with.  Job 14:4
     nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”  Luke 17:21
    "So he answered and said to them, “When evening comes you say, ‘It will be fair weather because the sky is red,’ 3 and early in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy weather, because the sky is red and darkening.’ You know how to evaluate correctly the appearance of the sky, but you are not able to evaluate the signs of the times. 4 An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah!” And he left them and went away."  Matt 16:2-4
    Any of us can "evaluate" what's happening in the world as  earthquakes, wars, famines and pestilences, take place; but only those who are the "spiritual man", have the ability to evaluate the signs of the times.  (1 Cor 2:14)
    A Hidden Famine, A Hidden Feast
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in God's Sacred and Holy Name...   
    If I thought Jesus was a fraud, why would I continually refer to his teachings?
     
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