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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in THE THIEF   
    I think the GB have a big shock coming. But if there is another ten years left then we might just have to wait a while for Jesus Christ to take action against the GB and Co. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in THE THIEF   
    Some people here will say the history of the organization and its failed teachings, matters not.  But, obviously, the present GB select tidbits from it, to support its present mission. More than tidbits actually, they have developed their history museum at Bethel.  I hope you peel back the layers of Wt's history, to see conclusive evidence that Jesus has never "inspired" an organization or its people, who rely on earthly currency, fleshly pursuits, and the physical labor of men...nor has God. (Matt 6:19; Phil 3:18,19; James 3:14,15; 2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10)   Its inspiration comes from another spirit. (Matt 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1) Paul said, as did Stephen who was stoned, that God does not live in temples made with hands".  (Acts 7:48-50; 17:24)  
    Despite A. Morris' desire and determined positive stance that the "mountain-like organization" will sail through Armageddon in one piece, it will not happen.  (Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8,9; 18:4-8)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE THIEF   
    Some people here will say the history of the organization and its failed teachings, matters not.  But, obviously, the present GB select tidbits from it, to support its present mission. More than tidbits actually, they have developed their history museum at Bethel.  I hope you peel back the layers of Wt's history, to see conclusive evidence that Jesus has never "inspired" an organization or its people, who rely on earthly currency, fleshly pursuits, and the physical labor of men...nor has God. (Matt 6:19; Phil 3:18,19; James 3:14,15; 2 Cor 11:20; Gal 1:10)   Its inspiration comes from another spirit. (Matt 24:24; 1 Tim 4:1) Paul said, as did Stephen who was stoned, that God does not live in temples made with hands".  (Acts 7:48-50; 17:24)  
    Despite A. Morris' desire and determined positive stance that the "mountain-like organization" will sail through Armageddon in one piece, it will not happen.  (Zech 4:6,7; Rev 8:8,9; 18:4-8)
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in THE THIEF   
    Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”
    What were those prophecies fulfilled?
    "Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'
    This slave, which I understand was Russel, would have been “faithful” to the doctrines of Jesus only, and not to those of men. (Mark 7:6,7)  He would have been “discreet” (meaning “intelligent, wise”) about what was taught, don’t you think? 
    Gal 1:6-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+1%3A6-9&version=NASB
    Yet, Russell’s self-motivated works are not taught world-wide today; whereas the apostles' teachings, are. His books are not used by your own organization.  You know what is rather amazing about this?  Your leadership says, there was no “faithful and discreet slave” in the first century!  What did Jesus call those then, who were “faithful” until death, preaching his word throughout the area of the world they knew?  If they were faithful to the word of God, they were found “intelligent, wise” in God’s truth, before their Master.  (Luke 19:11-27; Rev 17:14)
    “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”  John 16:13
    That is also interesting, isn’t it?  Your past and present leadership keep getting “what is to come”, wrong! Jesus said that is a sign that they are not part of him, not part of the vine of Christ and recipients of the Spirit of truth.  Their “fruit” does not prove they are Christ’s disciples.  (John 15:1-8,16)
    What were the many “prophecies” after that, that Rutherford made which weren’t fulfilled?  Any JW can research this online; and they should ,without fear.
    Mal 3:3 (from the quote above) – “And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.”
    From 1914 to 1919, Jesus apparently came to his Temple - to his anointed living stones (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) which included Rutherford, if he was anointed. The Wt is saying that from among all of the anointed, he cleaned out, removed, those who would create stumbling blocks against the truth -  his truth, God's truth. This would be anything spoken by an anointed one,  that defiled his teachings. The stumbling blocks would be created by men, who call them, truth. Their hearts and desires were analyzed - measured, according to scriptures - according to the word of God. (Zech 4:8-10; Amos 7:7,8; Rev 11:1,2) (Isa 43:21; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:10)  They would have been refined from all false teachings as Mal 3:1-4 states.  
     In 1921, Rutherford published the book, “Harp of God” which the GB member David Splane spoke about at the annual meeting. He built that book up, practically putting it on a pedestal.  How? Not by what was stated inside its cover, but by saying over 6 million of copies had been circulated.  This book was to “make it easier for people to come into the truth”, a “simple” book.     If this book was so wonderful, truthful, and easy to learn from, why is it not on your website?   Have you read this book? Have you noticed its lies that are discarded by the organization today?  This book was a spiritual plague that did not bring people into the truth, but brought people into captivity to men, and their selfish motives to produce what their hearts desired.  (Jer 23:16; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
    If Christ came and cleansed his living Temple ( 2 Cor 6:16) of all defilement between 1914-1919, does that not include lies that contradict his word?  Have you considered how these men came to the conclusion that it took Jesus 5 years to cleanse the temple? Where is the scriptural proof?   And did he overlook the heart of Rutherford, by allowing him to teach lies? (John 2:25; 1:1; Heb 4:12) Are Rutherford's lies excused, yet Christendom’s lies condemned?
    The Harp of God, along with many others, is far from an ‘offering in righteousness”. 
    Do JWs understand what “truth” is, and what “righteousness” in the sight of God, is?  (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    Is this “truth”…?
    “ In 1831 the first locomotive steam engine was invented. Such wonderful progress has been made in this regard that now one can travel through almost any part of the earth at a rapid rate upon a railway train. Later came the electric engines and electric motor cars and gas engines; and now there is a tremendous amount of travel in every part of the earth. It is no uncommon thing for one to travel at the rate of 75 and 100 miles per hour; and particularly is this true by means of a flying machine, which is a very modern invention.  God’s Prophet designates this same time as “the day of God’s preparation”. In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  Harp of God
    We either strive to understand and come to love the word of God in Christ, or we prefer the empty, worthless words of men, such as found in publications continually discarded by your leadership.   Although the organization judges an individual as worthy or unworthy of God's Spirit based on man's word - doctrine, Jesus said, "The one who rejects me and does not accept my teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day."   John 12:48
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in THE THIEF   
    The statement from the quoted WT article is very clear and specific. But still it is not strong enough to refute reality. And not just the reality of 1919 and the years after. This article from WT was written, as far as I can see, in 2019. Despite the fact that the entire past of WTJWorg is better seen from 2019, the author unfortunately maintains that Jesus purified WTJWorg in those 5 years, and that he left a pure organization for the future. That future encompasses the present. And what is the present? The present argues that most of WTJWorg’s doctrine and theology, as well as the practice that results from the theoretical teaching of members, has been affected, and still is, by tremendous changes in “knowledge and truth”.
    Several things can be concluded from this:
    - that Jesus was not visiting WTJWorg in 1914-1919
    -that Jesus did a bad job or had bad disciples
    -that WTJWorg subsequently ignored the changes that Jesus made
    -that WTJWorg considered the changes of 1914-1919 obsolete and inaccurate and changed them on its own in the coming decades 
    If “The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3: 1-4, was complete.” in the 1914-1919 period, then the mantra that WTJWorg has been trading for decades (the light is shining more and more clearly) is completely wrong. The light shone, supposedly 1914-1919, from Jesus himself. So what more improvements and clarifications should there be after Jesus ’personal conclusion ??
    Lies and only more lies comes from WTJWorg.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE THIEF   
    Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”
    What were those prophecies fulfilled?
    "Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'
    This slave, which I understand was Russel, would have been “faithful” to the doctrines of Jesus only, and not to those of men. (Mark 7:6,7)  He would have been “discreet” (meaning “intelligent, wise”) about what was taught, don’t you think? 
    Gal 1:6-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+1%3A6-9&version=NASB
    Yet, Russell’s self-motivated works are not taught world-wide today; whereas the apostles' teachings, are. His books are not used by your own organization.  You know what is rather amazing about this?  Your leadership says, there was no “faithful and discreet slave” in the first century!  What did Jesus call those then, who were “faithful” until death, preaching his word throughout the area of the world they knew?  If they were faithful to the word of God, they were found “intelligent, wise” in God’s truth, before their Master.  (Luke 19:11-27; Rev 17:14)
    “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”  John 16:13
    That is also interesting, isn’t it?  Your past and present leadership keep getting “what is to come”, wrong! Jesus said that is a sign that they are not part of him, not part of the vine of Christ and recipients of the Spirit of truth.  Their “fruit” does not prove they are Christ’s disciples.  (John 15:1-8,16)
    What were the many “prophecies” after that, that Rutherford made which weren’t fulfilled?  Any JW can research this online; and they should ,without fear.
    Mal 3:3 (from the quote above) – “And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.”
    From 1914 to 1919, Jesus apparently came to his Temple - to his anointed living stones (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) which included Rutherford, if he was anointed. The Wt is saying that from among all of the anointed, he cleaned out, removed, those who would create stumbling blocks against the truth -  his truth, God's truth. This would be anything spoken by an anointed one,  that defiled his teachings. The stumbling blocks would be created by men, who call them, truth. Their hearts and desires were analyzed - measured, according to scriptures - according to the word of God. (Zech 4:8-10; Amos 7:7,8; Rev 11:1,2) (Isa 43:21; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:10)  They would have been refined from all false teachings as Mal 3:1-4 states.  
     In 1921, Rutherford published the book, “Harp of God” which the GB member David Splane spoke about at the annual meeting. He built that book up, practically putting it on a pedestal.  How? Not by what was stated inside its cover, but by saying over 6 million of copies had been circulated.  This book was to “make it easier for people to come into the truth”, a “simple” book.     If this book was so wonderful, truthful, and easy to learn from, why is it not on your website?   Have you read this book? Have you noticed its lies that are discarded by the organization today?  This book was a spiritual plague that did not bring people into the truth, but brought people into captivity to men, and their selfish motives to produce what their hearts desired.  (Jer 23:16; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
    If Christ came and cleansed his living Temple ( 2 Cor 6:16) of all defilement between 1914-1919, does that not include lies that contradict his word?  Have you considered how these men came to the conclusion that it took Jesus 5 years to cleanse the temple? Where is the scriptural proof?   And did he overlook the heart of Rutherford, by allowing him to teach lies? (John 2:25; 1:1; Heb 4:12) Are Rutherford's lies excused, yet Christendom’s lies condemned?
    The Harp of God, along with many others, is far from an ‘offering in righteousness”. 
    Do JWs understand what “truth” is, and what “righteousness” in the sight of God, is?  (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    Is this “truth”…?
    “ In 1831 the first locomotive steam engine was invented. Such wonderful progress has been made in this regard that now one can travel through almost any part of the earth at a rapid rate upon a railway train. Later came the electric engines and electric motor cars and gas engines; and now there is a tremendous amount of travel in every part of the earth. It is no uncommon thing for one to travel at the rate of 75 and 100 miles per hour; and particularly is this true by means of a flying machine, which is a very modern invention.  God’s Prophet designates this same time as “the day of God’s preparation”. In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  Harp of God
    We either strive to understand and come to love the word of God in Christ, or we prefer the empty, worthless words of men, such as found in publications continually discarded by your leadership.   Although the organization judges an individual as worthy or unworthy of God's Spirit based on man's word - doctrine, Jesus said, "The one who rejects me and does not accept my teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day."   John 12:48
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in THE THIEF   
    Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”
    What were those prophecies fulfilled?
    "Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'
    This slave, which I understand was Russel, would have been “faithful” to the doctrines of Jesus only, and not to those of men. (Mark 7:6,7)  He would have been “discreet” (meaning “intelligent, wise”) about what was taught, don’t you think? 
    Gal 1:6-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+1%3A6-9&version=NASB
    Yet, Russell’s self-motivated works are not taught world-wide today; whereas the apostles' teachings, are. His books are not used by your own organization.  You know what is rather amazing about this?  Your leadership says, there was no “faithful and discreet slave” in the first century!  What did Jesus call those then, who were “faithful” until death, preaching his word throughout the area of the world they knew?  If they were faithful to the word of God, they were found “intelligent, wise” in God’s truth, before their Master.  (Luke 19:11-27; Rev 17:14)
    “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”  John 16:13
    That is also interesting, isn’t it?  Your past and present leadership keep getting “what is to come”, wrong! Jesus said that is a sign that they are not part of him, not part of the vine of Christ and recipients of the Spirit of truth.  Their “fruit” does not prove they are Christ’s disciples.  (John 15:1-8,16)
    What were the many “prophecies” after that, that Rutherford made which weren’t fulfilled?  Any JW can research this online; and they should ,without fear.
    Mal 3:3 (from the quote above) – “And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.”
    From 1914 to 1919, Jesus apparently came to his Temple - to his anointed living stones (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) which included Rutherford, if he was anointed. The Wt is saying that from among all of the anointed, he cleaned out, removed, those who would create stumbling blocks against the truth -  his truth, God's truth. This would be anything spoken by an anointed one,  that defiled his teachings. The stumbling blocks would be created by men, who call them, truth. Their hearts and desires were analyzed - measured, according to scriptures - according to the word of God. (Zech 4:8-10; Amos 7:7,8; Rev 11:1,2) (Isa 43:21; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:10)  They would have been refined from all false teachings as Mal 3:1-4 states.  
     In 1921, Rutherford published the book, “Harp of God” which the GB member David Splane spoke about at the annual meeting. He built that book up, practically putting it on a pedestal.  How? Not by what was stated inside its cover, but by saying over 6 million of copies had been circulated.  This book was to “make it easier for people to come into the truth”, a “simple” book.     If this book was so wonderful, truthful, and easy to learn from, why is it not on your website?   Have you read this book? Have you noticed its lies that are discarded by the organization today?  This book was a spiritual plague that did not bring people into the truth, but brought people into captivity to men, and their selfish motives to produce what their hearts desired.  (Jer 23:16; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
    If Christ came and cleansed his living Temple ( 2 Cor 6:16) of all defilement between 1914-1919, does that not include lies that contradict his word?  Have you considered how these men came to the conclusion that it took Jesus 5 years to cleanse the temple? Where is the scriptural proof?   And did he overlook the heart of Rutherford, by allowing him to teach lies? (John 2:25; 1:1; Heb 4:12) Are Rutherford's lies excused, yet Christendom’s lies condemned?
    The Harp of God, along with many others, is far from an ‘offering in righteousness”. 
    Do JWs understand what “truth” is, and what “righteousness” in the sight of God, is?  (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    Is this “truth”…?
    “ In 1831 the first locomotive steam engine was invented. Such wonderful progress has been made in this regard that now one can travel through almost any part of the earth at a rapid rate upon a railway train. Later came the electric engines and electric motor cars and gas engines; and now there is a tremendous amount of travel in every part of the earth. It is no uncommon thing for one to travel at the rate of 75 and 100 miles per hour; and particularly is this true by means of a flying machine, which is a very modern invention.  God’s Prophet designates this same time as “the day of God’s preparation”. In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  Harp of God
    We either strive to understand and come to love the word of God in Christ, or we prefer the empty, worthless words of men, such as found in publications continually discarded by your leadership.   Although the organization judges an individual as worthy or unworthy of God's Spirit based on man's word - doctrine, Jesus said, "The one who rejects me and does not accept my teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day."   John 12:48
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in THE THIEF   
    Wt 2019/10/5 page 5 – “By the end of 1919, Jehovah’s people were reorganized and energized. Additionally, several important prophecies involving the last days had been fulfilled. The testing and refinement of God’s people, foretold at Malachi 3:1-4, was complete.”
    What were those prophecies fulfilled?
    "Jehovah’s people had been released from their symbolic captivity to 'Babylon the Great,' and Jesus had appointed  'the faithful and discreet slave.'
    This slave, which I understand was Russel, would have been “faithful” to the doctrines of Jesus only, and not to those of men. (Mark 7:6,7)  He would have been “discreet” (meaning “intelligent, wise”) about what was taught, don’t you think? 
    Gal 1:6-9 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal+1%3A6-9&version=NASB
    Yet, Russell’s self-motivated works are not taught world-wide today; whereas the apostles' teachings, are. His books are not used by your own organization.  You know what is rather amazing about this?  Your leadership says, there was no “faithful and discreet slave” in the first century!  What did Jesus call those then, who were “faithful” until death, preaching his word throughout the area of the world they knew?  If they were faithful to the word of God, they were found “intelligent, wise” in God’s truth, before their Master.  (Luke 19:11-27; Rev 17:14)
    “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”  John 16:13
    That is also interesting, isn’t it?  Your past and present leadership keep getting “what is to come”, wrong! Jesus said that is a sign that they are not part of him, not part of the vine of Christ and recipients of the Spirit of truth.  Their “fruit” does not prove they are Christ’s disciples.  (John 15:1-8,16)
    What were the many “prophecies” after that, that Rutherford made which weren’t fulfilled?  Any JW can research this online; and they should ,without fear.
    Mal 3:3 (from the quote above) – “And He will sit as a smelter and purifier of silver, and He will purify the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, so that they may present to the Lord offerings in righteousness.”
    From 1914 to 1919, Jesus apparently came to his Temple - to his anointed living stones (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16) which included Rutherford, if he was anointed. The Wt is saying that from among all of the anointed, he cleaned out, removed, those who would create stumbling blocks against the truth -  his truth, God's truth. This would be anything spoken by an anointed one,  that defiled his teachings. The stumbling blocks would be created by men, who call them, truth. Their hearts and desires were analyzed - measured, according to scriptures - according to the word of God. (Zech 4:8-10; Amos 7:7,8; Rev 11:1,2) (Isa 43:21; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 Cor 3:10)  They would have been refined from all false teachings as Mal 3:1-4 states.  
     In 1921, Rutherford published the book, “Harp of God” which the GB member David Splane spoke about at the annual meeting. He built that book up, practically putting it on a pedestal.  How? Not by what was stated inside its cover, but by saying over 6 million of copies had been circulated.  This book was to “make it easier for people to come into the truth”, a “simple” book.     If this book was so wonderful, truthful, and easy to learn from, why is it not on your website?   Have you read this book? Have you noticed its lies that are discarded by the organization today?  This book was a spiritual plague that did not bring people into the truth, but brought people into captivity to men, and their selfish motives to produce what their hearts desired.  (Jer 23:16; Luke 6:45; Matt 7:15-20; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1; 2 Cor 11:13-15)
    If Christ came and cleansed his living Temple ( 2 Cor 6:16) of all defilement between 1914-1919, does that not include lies that contradict his word?  Have you considered how these men came to the conclusion that it took Jesus 5 years to cleanse the temple? Where is the scriptural proof?   And did he overlook the heart of Rutherford, by allowing him to teach lies? (John 2:25; 1:1; Heb 4:12) Are Rutherford's lies excused, yet Christendom’s lies condemned?
    The Harp of God, along with many others, is far from an ‘offering in righteousness”. 
    Do JWs understand what “truth” is, and what “righteousness” in the sight of God, is?  (2 Thess 2:9-12)
    Is this “truth”…?
    “ In 1831 the first locomotive steam engine was invented. Such wonderful progress has been made in this regard that now one can travel through almost any part of the earth at a rapid rate upon a railway train. Later came the electric engines and electric motor cars and gas engines; and now there is a tremendous amount of travel in every part of the earth. It is no uncommon thing for one to travel at the rate of 75 and 100 miles per hour; and particularly is this true by means of a flying machine, which is a very modern invention.  God’s Prophet designates this same time as “the day of God’s preparation”. In Nahum 2:1-6 the Prophet records his vision of a railway train traveling at a high rate of speed, as another evidence of the day of preparation for the establishment of Christ’s kingdom.” P. 124  Harp of God
    We either strive to understand and come to love the word of God in Christ, or we prefer the empty, worthless words of men, such as found in publications continually discarded by your leadership.   Although the organization judges an individual as worthy or unworthy of God's Spirit based on man's word - doctrine, Jesus said, "The one who rejects me and does not accept my teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day."   John 12:48
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in THE THIEF   
    Wt 13/7/2015 p. 11 – “Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.
    Since 1919, anointed ones have been gathered into the cleansed Christian congregation.”
    The anointed are the spiritual Temple of God, even though recent “new light” revealed by GB member G. Losch, is saying otherwise; said, without the use of any scriptural application to support his uninspired teaching.   (1 Pet 2:5;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    What are the anointed cleansed of, when entering the organization?  Are they cleansed of the weeds, as this article suggests are the people who left the organization during Rutherford’s tyrannical rule - this man, who continually set dates for Armageddon that proved false?  Obviously, the anointed were not cleansed of false predictions which they preached at one time as truth.  (Deut 18:20-22)  They were not cleansed of doctrine proven to be false. (Matt 15:9)  Are they cleansed of extolling an earthly organization, instead of extolling and praising only God and Christ?  (2 Pet 1:16,17; Heb 1:1-4)
    Are they cleansed of idolatry?  (Exod 20:4,5; 23:13; 2 Cor 6:16; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
    Are they cleansed of following the dictates of men not inspired but who compare themselves to the apostles, and who expect dedication and allegiance to this earthy organization, over and above devotion to the Father and the Son, as the example set by the early inspired apostles?  (2 Cor 11:13; Col 2:8-10,20-22)
     People who give full devotion to the Father and the Son are disfellowshipped.  This seems to indicate that the organization cleanses itself from the faithful ones, that Jesus calls out of Wt. darkness!  (Matt 5:11; 10:22; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 6:9-11; 2:2-5; 3:8-12)
    What sort of sacrifices of praise do the anointed priests give to God and their Head, Jesus Christ?  They give what false prophets put in their mouth – lies.  (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16) 
    They allow “Gentile” elders to take their place as priests and teachers of God’s laws in Christ.  (Exod 40:15;Num 18:7; Mal 2:7,8; 1 Pet 2:5,9) They allow elders to judge them based on accepting or rejecting the lies of a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; 5,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:11,12,5-7)  They've allowed God's sanctuary to be defiled by the "abomination"/elder body standing where it does not belong.  (Mark 13:14)
    Have they followed in the footsteps of Christ by rejecting ALL falsehoods, doctrine and obedience to men as Jesus’ example while on earth shows us? 
    Have the anointed died for the sake of Christ and his teachings?  Or, do they harbor the fear of losing the life they have built while in the organization, which falsely promises “peace and security”, if one remains inside?  (Jer 23:16,17; 1 Thess 5:3)  Or, do they love what this life provides them, instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ who advises them to “buy” from him, wisdom and truth?  (Prov 23:23;John 14:6; Rev 3:18)
    They are held captive to false teachers/prophets and their elder troops.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev  9:3-5; 11:1,2; 20:7-9)
    The harvest is ongoing inside the organization.  The “weeds” are those “sons” who bend their backs to the deceptive power of men over them, and adopt a new father to lead them.   (Matt 8:11,12; John 8:42-44; Gal 1:10) The “wheat” are the “sons” who reject this power, and subject themselves to their King, Jesus Christ.  (Matt 13:37-40)
    No one is “wheat” in God’s eyes, when they tolerate false teachers who produce rotten fruit!  (Matt 7:15-23)
    “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20
    “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (from among the anointed members of his Body)…
     all things that offend, (“stumbling”) and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”  Matt 13:41-43
     
    The thief is the one that "comes in through another way" (John10:1; Joel2:9-10).   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10%3A1%3B+Joel2%3A9-10&version=NIV 
    At John 10:10, Jesus said, "10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. But I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
    Jesus said he comes by way of the gate, which the gatekeeper opens for him (Mark13:33-34; John10:2-3). Not so with the thief. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark13%3A33-34%3B+John10%3A2-3&version=NIV 
    He "sneaks in a different way" (John10:1).
    The first thief is not Jesus Christ, but the Sneak who is thought to be Christ.
    The thief is really a false christ, and all are misled into THINKING it is Jesus Christ's return. In that way, Jesus comes as a thief. The thief is presented, as Christ.
    That false, premature arrival of Christ by the imposter, was referred to by Paul, at 2Thess.2:1-3.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1-3&version=NIV
    The first arrival of Christ as the thief, is a thief arriving AS Christ, who robs the crown of the elect (Rev.3:11; Mark13:34-37), through that great deception.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.3%3A11%3B+Mark13%3A34-37&version=NIV 
    Those who put faith in that thief/impostor, believe in the false Christ that Jesus foretold, at Matt.24:4-5,24-25 and Rev.13:11; 16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.24%3A4-5%2C24-25%3B+Rev.13%3A11%3B+16%3A13-14%3B+1Tim.4%3A1.&version=NIV
    The second arrival of Christ as a thief, is when he really, genuinely arrives. Those who had put faith in the false arrival of the impostor/antiChrist; are not ready to recognize Christ's genuine arrival to inspect his servants. For them, Christ's real arrival is as a stealth thief they did not expect, nor were they prepared for. They are found "naked" by Jesus... unclothed with the necessary garment of righteousness and love (Rev.19:8; 6:9-11; Gal.3:27; John13:34; Col.3:14). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.19%3A8%3B+6%3A9-11%3B+Gal.3%3A27%3B+John13%3A34%3B+Col.3%3A14&version=NIV 
    Those fooled by the arrival of the murdering robber, have not sacrificed their lives for the truths and example of Jesus, but instead, they believed in a false peace and security with God... drowzy and drunk on the harlot's wine (the doctrine of the false Christ/thief)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Peter Carroll in THE THIEF   
    Wt 13/7/2015 p. 11 – “Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.
    Since 1919, anointed ones have been gathered into the cleansed Christian congregation.”
    The anointed are the spiritual Temple of God, even though recent “new light” revealed by GB member G. Losch, is saying otherwise; said, without the use of any scriptural application to support his uninspired teaching.   (1 Pet 2:5;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    What are the anointed cleansed of, when entering the organization?  Are they cleansed of the weeds, as this article suggests are the people who left the organization during Rutherford’s tyrannical rule - this man, who continually set dates for Armageddon that proved false?  Obviously, the anointed were not cleansed of false predictions which they preached at one time as truth.  (Deut 18:20-22)  They were not cleansed of doctrine proven to be false. (Matt 15:9)  Are they cleansed of extolling an earthly organization, instead of extolling and praising only God and Christ?  (2 Pet 1:16,17; Heb 1:1-4)
    Are they cleansed of idolatry?  (Exod 20:4,5; 23:13; 2 Cor 6:16; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
    Are they cleansed of following the dictates of men not inspired but who compare themselves to the apostles, and who expect dedication and allegiance to this earthy organization, over and above devotion to the Father and the Son, as the example set by the early inspired apostles?  (2 Cor 11:13; Col 2:8-10,20-22)
     People who give full devotion to the Father and the Son are disfellowshipped.  This seems to indicate that the organization cleanses itself from the faithful ones, that Jesus calls out of Wt. darkness!  (Matt 5:11; 10:22; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 6:9-11; 2:2-5; 3:8-12)
    What sort of sacrifices of praise do the anointed priests give to God and their Head, Jesus Christ?  They give what false prophets put in their mouth – lies.  (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16) 
    They allow “Gentile” elders to take their place as priests and teachers of God’s laws in Christ.  (Exod 40:15;Num 18:7; Mal 2:7,8; 1 Pet 2:5,9) They allow elders to judge them based on accepting or rejecting the lies of a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; 5,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:11,12,5-7)  They've allowed God's sanctuary to be defiled by the "abomination"/elder body standing where it does not belong.  (Mark 13:14)
    Have they followed in the footsteps of Christ by rejecting ALL falsehoods, doctrine and obedience to men as Jesus’ example while on earth shows us? 
    Have the anointed died for the sake of Christ and his teachings?  Or, do they harbor the fear of losing the life they have built while in the organization, which falsely promises “peace and security”, if one remains inside?  (Jer 23:16,17; 1 Thess 5:3)  Or, do they love what this life provides them, instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ who advises them to “buy” from him, wisdom and truth?  (Prov 23:23;John 14:6; Rev 3:18)
    They are held captive to false teachers/prophets and their elder troops.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev  9:3-5; 11:1,2; 20:7-9)
    The harvest is ongoing inside the organization.  The “weeds” are those “sons” who bend their backs to the deceptive power of men over them, and adopt a new father to lead them.   (Matt 8:11,12; John 8:42-44; Gal 1:10) The “wheat” are the “sons” who reject this power, and subject themselves to their King, Jesus Christ.  (Matt 13:37-40)
    No one is “wheat” in God’s eyes, when they tolerate false teachers who produce rotten fruit!  (Matt 7:15-23)
    “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20
    “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (from among the anointed members of his Body)…
     all things that offend, (“stumbling”) and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”  Matt 13:41-43
     
    The thief is the one that "comes in through another way" (John10:1; Joel2:9-10).   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10%3A1%3B+Joel2%3A9-10&version=NIV 
    At John 10:10, Jesus said, "10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. But I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
    Jesus said he comes by way of the gate, which the gatekeeper opens for him (Mark13:33-34; John10:2-3). Not so with the thief. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark13%3A33-34%3B+John10%3A2-3&version=NIV 
    He "sneaks in a different way" (John10:1).
    The first thief is not Jesus Christ, but the Sneak who is thought to be Christ.
    The thief is really a false christ, and all are misled into THINKING it is Jesus Christ's return. In that way, Jesus comes as a thief. The thief is presented, as Christ.
    That false, premature arrival of Christ by the imposter, was referred to by Paul, at 2Thess.2:1-3.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1-3&version=NIV
    The first arrival of Christ as the thief, is a thief arriving AS Christ, who robs the crown of the elect (Rev.3:11; Mark13:34-37), through that great deception.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.3%3A11%3B+Mark13%3A34-37&version=NIV 
    Those who put faith in that thief/impostor, believe in the false Christ that Jesus foretold, at Matt.24:4-5,24-25 and Rev.13:11; 16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.24%3A4-5%2C24-25%3B+Rev.13%3A11%3B+16%3A13-14%3B+1Tim.4%3A1.&version=NIV
    The second arrival of Christ as a thief, is when he really, genuinely arrives. Those who had put faith in the false arrival of the impostor/antiChrist; are not ready to recognize Christ's genuine arrival to inspect his servants. For them, Christ's real arrival is as a stealth thief they did not expect, nor were they prepared for. They are found "naked" by Jesus... unclothed with the necessary garment of righteousness and love (Rev.19:8; 6:9-11; Gal.3:27; John13:34; Col.3:14). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.19%3A8%3B+6%3A9-11%3B+Gal.3%3A27%3B+John13%3A34%3B+Col.3%3A14&version=NIV 
    Those fooled by the arrival of the murdering robber, have not sacrificed their lives for the truths and example of Jesus, but instead, they believed in a false peace and security with God... drowzy and drunk on the harlot's wine (the doctrine of the false Christ/thief)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in THE THIEF   
    Wt 13/7/2015 p. 11 – “Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.
    Since 1919, anointed ones have been gathered into the cleansed Christian congregation.”
    The anointed are the spiritual Temple of God, even though recent “new light” revealed by GB member G. Losch, is saying otherwise; said, without the use of any scriptural application to support his uninspired teaching.   (1 Pet 2:5;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    What are the anointed cleansed of, when entering the organization?  Are they cleansed of the weeds, as this article suggests are the people who left the organization during Rutherford’s tyrannical rule - this man, who continually set dates for Armageddon that proved false?  Obviously, the anointed were not cleansed of false predictions which they preached at one time as truth.  (Deut 18:20-22)  They were not cleansed of doctrine proven to be false. (Matt 15:9)  Are they cleansed of extolling an earthly organization, instead of extolling and praising only God and Christ?  (2 Pet 1:16,17; Heb 1:1-4)
    Are they cleansed of idolatry?  (Exod 20:4,5; 23:13; 2 Cor 6:16; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
    Are they cleansed of following the dictates of men not inspired but who compare themselves to the apostles, and who expect dedication and allegiance to this earthy organization, over and above devotion to the Father and the Son, as the example set by the early inspired apostles?  (2 Cor 11:13; Col 2:8-10,20-22)
     People who give full devotion to the Father and the Son are disfellowshipped.  This seems to indicate that the organization cleanses itself from the faithful ones, that Jesus calls out of Wt. darkness!  (Matt 5:11; 10:22; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 6:9-11; 2:2-5; 3:8-12)
    What sort of sacrifices of praise do the anointed priests give to God and their Head, Jesus Christ?  They give what false prophets put in their mouth – lies.  (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16) 
    They allow “Gentile” elders to take their place as priests and teachers of God’s laws in Christ.  (Exod 40:15;Num 18:7; Mal 2:7,8; 1 Pet 2:5,9) They allow elders to judge them based on accepting or rejecting the lies of a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; 5,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:11,12,5-7)  They've allowed God's sanctuary to be defiled by the "abomination"/elder body standing where it does not belong.  (Mark 13:14)
    Have they followed in the footsteps of Christ by rejecting ALL falsehoods, doctrine and obedience to men as Jesus’ example while on earth shows us? 
    Have the anointed died for the sake of Christ and his teachings?  Or, do they harbor the fear of losing the life they have built while in the organization, which falsely promises “peace and security”, if one remains inside?  (Jer 23:16,17; 1 Thess 5:3)  Or, do they love what this life provides them, instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ who advises them to “buy” from him, wisdom and truth?  (Prov 23:23;John 14:6; Rev 3:18)
    They are held captive to false teachers/prophets and their elder troops.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev  9:3-5; 11:1,2; 20:7-9)
    The harvest is ongoing inside the organization.  The “weeds” are those “sons” who bend their backs to the deceptive power of men over them, and adopt a new father to lead them.   (Matt 8:11,12; John 8:42-44; Gal 1:10) The “wheat” are the “sons” who reject this power, and subject themselves to their King, Jesus Christ.  (Matt 13:37-40)
    No one is “wheat” in God’s eyes, when they tolerate false teachers who produce rotten fruit!  (Matt 7:15-23)
    “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20
    “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (from among the anointed members of his Body)…
     all things that offend, (“stumbling”) and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”  Matt 13:41-43
     
    The thief is the one that "comes in through another way" (John10:1; Joel2:9-10).   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10%3A1%3B+Joel2%3A9-10&version=NIV 
    At John 10:10, Jesus said, "10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. But I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
    Jesus said he comes by way of the gate, which the gatekeeper opens for him (Mark13:33-34; John10:2-3). Not so with the thief. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark13%3A33-34%3B+John10%3A2-3&version=NIV 
    He "sneaks in a different way" (John10:1).
    The first thief is not Jesus Christ, but the Sneak who is thought to be Christ.
    The thief is really a false christ, and all are misled into THINKING it is Jesus Christ's return. In that way, Jesus comes as a thief. The thief is presented, as Christ.
    That false, premature arrival of Christ by the imposter, was referred to by Paul, at 2Thess.2:1-3.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1-3&version=NIV
    The first arrival of Christ as the thief, is a thief arriving AS Christ, who robs the crown of the elect (Rev.3:11; Mark13:34-37), through that great deception.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.3%3A11%3B+Mark13%3A34-37&version=NIV 
    Those who put faith in that thief/impostor, believe in the false Christ that Jesus foretold, at Matt.24:4-5,24-25 and Rev.13:11; 16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.24%3A4-5%2C24-25%3B+Rev.13%3A11%3B+16%3A13-14%3B+1Tim.4%3A1.&version=NIV
    The second arrival of Christ as a thief, is when he really, genuinely arrives. Those who had put faith in the false arrival of the impostor/antiChrist; are not ready to recognize Christ's genuine arrival to inspect his servants. For them, Christ's real arrival is as a stealth thief they did not expect, nor were they prepared for. They are found "naked" by Jesus... unclothed with the necessary garment of righteousness and love (Rev.19:8; 6:9-11; Gal.3:27; John13:34; Col.3:14). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.19%3A8%3B+6%3A9-11%3B+Gal.3%3A27%3B+John13%3A34%3B+Col.3%3A14&version=NIV 
    Those fooled by the arrival of the murdering robber, have not sacrificed their lives for the truths and example of Jesus, but instead, they believed in a false peace and security with God... drowzy and drunk on the harlot's wine (the doctrine of the false Christ/thief)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in THE THIEF   
    Wt 13/7/2015 p. 11 – “Jesus began to inspect the spiritual temple in 1914. Jesus’ work to inspect and cleanse that temple lasted from 1914 to the early part of 1919.
    Since 1919, anointed ones have been gathered into the cleansed Christian congregation.”
    The anointed are the spiritual Temple of God, even though recent “new light” revealed by GB member G. Losch, is saying otherwise; said, without the use of any scriptural application to support his uninspired teaching.   (1 Pet 2:5;1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22) 
    What are the anointed cleansed of, when entering the organization?  Are they cleansed of the weeds, as this article suggests are the people who left the organization during Rutherford’s tyrannical rule - this man, who continually set dates for Armageddon that proved false?  Obviously, the anointed were not cleansed of false predictions which they preached at one time as truth.  (Deut 18:20-22)  They were not cleansed of doctrine proven to be false. (Matt 15:9)  Are they cleansed of extolling an earthly organization, instead of extolling and praising only God and Christ?  (2 Pet 1:16,17; Heb 1:1-4)
    Are they cleansed of idolatry?  (Exod 20:4,5; 23:13; 2 Cor 6:16; Acts 17:24; Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4)
    Are they cleansed of following the dictates of men not inspired but who compare themselves to the apostles, and who expect dedication and allegiance to this earthy organization, over and above devotion to the Father and the Son, as the example set by the early inspired apostles?  (2 Cor 11:13; Col 2:8-10,20-22)
     People who give full devotion to the Father and the Son are disfellowshipped.  This seems to indicate that the organization cleanses itself from the faithful ones, that Jesus calls out of Wt. darkness!  (Matt 5:11; 10:22; John 16:2; Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7; 6:9-11; 2:2-5; 3:8-12)
    What sort of sacrifices of praise do the anointed priests give to God and their Head, Jesus Christ?  They give what false prophets put in their mouth – lies.  (1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16) 
    They allow “Gentile” elders to take their place as priests and teachers of God’s laws in Christ.  (Exod 40:15;Num 18:7; Mal 2:7,8; 1 Pet 2:5,9) They allow elders to judge them based on accepting or rejecting the lies of a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; 5,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:11,12,5-7)  They've allowed God's sanctuary to be defiled by the "abomination"/elder body standing where it does not belong.  (Mark 13:14)
    Have they followed in the footsteps of Christ by rejecting ALL falsehoods, doctrine and obedience to men as Jesus’ example while on earth shows us? 
    Have the anointed died for the sake of Christ and his teachings?  Or, do they harbor the fear of losing the life they have built while in the organization, which falsely promises “peace and security”, if one remains inside?  (Jer 23:16,17; 1 Thess 5:3)  Or, do they love what this life provides them, instead of reaching out to Jesus Christ who advises them to “buy” from him, wisdom and truth?  (Prov 23:23;John 14:6; Rev 3:18)
    They are held captive to false teachers/prophets and their elder troops.  (Matt 24:24,25; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev  9:3-5; 11:1,2; 20:7-9)
    The harvest is ongoing inside the organization.  The “weeds” are those “sons” who bend their backs to the deceptive power of men over them, and adopt a new father to lead them.   (Matt 8:11,12; John 8:42-44; Gal 1:10) The “wheat” are the “sons” who reject this power, and subject themselves to their King, Jesus Christ.  (Matt 13:37-40)
    No one is “wheat” in God’s eyes, when they tolerate false teachers who produce rotten fruit!  (Matt 7:15-23)
    “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.”  Matt 5:20
    “The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom (from among the anointed members of his Body)…
     all things that offend, (“stumbling”) and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”  Matt 13:41-43
     
    The thief is the one that "comes in through another way" (John10:1; Joel2:9-10).   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John10%3A1%3B+Joel2%3A9-10&version=NIV 
    At John 10:10, Jesus said, "10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. But I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
    Jesus said he comes by way of the gate, which the gatekeeper opens for him (Mark13:33-34; John10:2-3). Not so with the thief. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark13%3A33-34%3B+John10%3A2-3&version=NIV 
    He "sneaks in a different way" (John10:1).
    The first thief is not Jesus Christ, but the Sneak who is thought to be Christ.
    The thief is really a false christ, and all are misled into THINKING it is Jesus Christ's return. In that way, Jesus comes as a thief. The thief is presented, as Christ.
    That false, premature arrival of Christ by the imposter, was referred to by Paul, at 2Thess.2:1-3.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Thess.2%3A1-3&version=NIV
    The first arrival of Christ as the thief, is a thief arriving AS Christ, who robs the crown of the elect (Rev.3:11; Mark13:34-37), through that great deception.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.3%3A11%3B+Mark13%3A34-37&version=NIV 
    Those who put faith in that thief/impostor, believe in the false Christ that Jesus foretold, at Matt.24:4-5,24-25 and Rev.13:11; 16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1.  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt.24%3A4-5%2C24-25%3B+Rev.13%3A11%3B+16%3A13-14%3B+1Tim.4%3A1.&version=NIV
    The second arrival of Christ as a thief, is when he really, genuinely arrives. Those who had put faith in the false arrival of the impostor/antiChrist; are not ready to recognize Christ's genuine arrival to inspect his servants. For them, Christ's real arrival is as a stealth thief they did not expect, nor were they prepared for. They are found "naked" by Jesus... unclothed with the necessary garment of righteousness and love (Rev.19:8; 6:9-11; Gal.3:27; John13:34; Col.3:14). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rev.19%3A8%3B+6%3A9-11%3B+Gal.3%3A27%3B+John13%3A34%3B+Col.3%3A14&version=NIV 
    Those fooled by the arrival of the murdering robber, have not sacrificed their lives for the truths and example of Jesus, but instead, they believed in a false peace and security with God... drowzy and drunk on the harlot's wine (the doctrine of the false Christ/thief)
    Pearl Doxsey
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in “Satan is very skilled in using innuendos, half-truths and lies”   
    These words were spoken recently by S. Lett, member of the governing body during the annual convention. He was referring to the news media, clergy and apostates; and along with them, is the entire ‘worldly’ influence that JWs must guard against.  He informed them that the wicked who are trying to assimilate them into their world, are numbered “900 to one”; the estimated ratio of the earth’s population, to the count of JWs. This means all peoples outside of the organization have been judged by the “governors” as wicked. Undoubtedly, his estimate would manufacture a variety of emotions; apprehension and fear toward those not JWs, along with a sense of chosen “righteous” privilege, assumed by members cloistered within the organization’s walls. (1 Cor 13:4; Prov 30:12-14; Jer 48:29; Isa 66:5,6; Matt 5:11,12; John 15:20; 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15)
    Satan imparts the skills of deception to his ministers who fall in step with his covert operation, but since deception hides the true intention of his works, how do we identify and locate his ministers? (Deut 18:20-22; Lam 2:14; Jer 23:17; 1 Thess 5:3; Luke 6:26; John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:3,4; 11:4; 1 Tim 4:1,2)  Using the familiar phrase heard while in the organization, we “examine the scriptures”, or as the speaker put it, “by diligent study” of God’s word. (Prov 24:3;2 Tim 2:15; 3:16,17)
    This leader stated:
    “In the near future another powerful enemy will come against us. This formidable foe is a coalition of nations called Gog in Ezekiel 38.  It says that Gog will come with a great assembly, a vast army like clouds covering the land.  They will come against God’s people. Now this could be a very intimidating situation. But dear brothers and sisters, your faith will make you stronger than Gog and will keep you stronger until Jehovah miraculously intervenes at Armageddon; and if you think about it, Armageddon is a rescue operation.  He will intervene and he will sweep attacking Gog away forever with a broom of annihilation.”
    “Gog of Magog” is a term frequently used in the organization lately.  The biblical definition of “Gog, the land of Magog”:
    Gog –“mountain”, the name of an Israelite, also of some northern nation. Of the prince of the land of Magog
    Magog – land of Gog, a barbarous northern region/territory; also a great and powerful people under the name of a man   (Gen 10:2) 
    Is it true that Gog of the land of Magog, is showing up during Armageddon as a great pool of national armies?  (Ezek 13:9)  These leaders are projecting spiritual fulfillment in politics and its rulers, in the same way that they have used prophecy of the destruction of early Jerusalem to Christendom’s downfall, by calling it the “antitypical Jerusalem”.  After decades of this teaching, they recently stated that there is no scriptural basis to fit Christendom into this role. So, who does fill this role?  Judgment and condemnation in the last days is where “New Jerusalem”/”Israel” resides. (Rom 9:6; 2:28,29; Phil 3:3; Gal 4:26)
    Judgment comes upon God’s named people in the “saints”/anointed priesthood, under the wicked steward of God’s household. To these who are under covenant with God, prophecy has its fulfillment. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Heb 3:6; 8:6-8; Ezek 5:5,6; 2 Chron 7:14; Jer 25:29; Isa 1:21; Luke 12:42,45; Rev 17:6; Luke 12:46; Hos 6:5; Jer 5:14; 23:29; Rev 18:8)
    Taking on another antitypical role for Gog of Magog leads to a conundrum in teachings. The organization teaches that its members are the “remnant” to have come out of Babylon the Great, the “empire of false religion”. (Rev 17:5)  If they were faithful in their devotion to God and obeyed His laws, which JWs believes they are, would He allow this to occur to a perceived obedient people under His favor? (Lev 26:3,6) There is no biblical instance where nations plundered and persecuted His people when they were faithful, but plenty of examples to prove otherwise.  (Lev 26:14,15,21,22;  Jer 14:7,10;32:24; Ezek 5:13-15; Isa 29:7; Jer 6:6; Luke 21:20; Rev 20:8,9) 
    However, the leader promised that persecution by the ‘news media, clergy, apostates’ and the nations cannot be avoided in the last days.  Yet simply, most of this “persecution” is the result of the organization’s various dark doctrines coming to light; their rejection of the words of Christ, which ultimately they will face accountability for.  (Ezek 5:14,15; Matt 10:26; John 3:19; 12:48; Rom 2:6-8; Eph 5:5,6,11; Heb 4:12; 2 Chron 36:15,16; Mal 3:1-3;Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3;14:6,7)
    Why did the nation of Israel suffer persecution by the Chaldean army of Babylon? Under the leadership of stiff-necked rulers, Judah was wicked, disregarding God’s laws and defiling the temple.  (2 Chron 36:14; Hab 1:3,4,6; Zech 12:2)
    “Didn’t you exist before time began, O Lord, my God, my Holy One? We will not die! O Lord, you have appointed the Babylonians to bring judgment. O Rock, you have destined them to correct us.”  Hab 1:12
    The governing leader deftly avoided the true reason Gog of Magog attacked Israel in their day. There was no scripture cited to back up his untrustworthy prediction. 
    “You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.”
    Why would Gog be used to prove God’s holiness? 
    “I will turn you around, drive you on, and lead you up from the remotest parts of the north. I will bring you against the mountains of Israel.”
    “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the judgment I have executed and the hand I have laid on them. 22 From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile on account of their iniquity, because they dealt unfaithfully with me. Therefore, I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, so that they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and transgressions, and I hid my face from them.”  Ezek 39:2,22-24
    As a result of disobedience toward their covenant with God, Israel was promised discipline for their sin, which was manifested through Gog’s attack. (Deut 28:15,20,25,45,46) God’s supernatural show of unlimited power toward a repentant Israel, glorified His name not only among His refined people, but was witnessed among the nations.  (Ezek 38:23; 39:6,7,22,28; Joel 3:17)
    Will JWs notice that Gog of Magog came upon Israel due to their repeated sin and gross abominations?  Since the organization’s “Gog” is predicted to bring havoc, does this mean that JWs will be “exiled” to “Babylon the Great”, most of them arrested and taken into bondage, as happened to the nation of Israel? (2 Chron 36:18-20; Ezek 17:12)   
    What it does mean, is they are still under symbolic “Babylon’s” influence of drunken confusion and darkness, leading to death. (Isa 1:21;28:14,15,18; Rev 8:11;13:11,12,15,16; Rev 17:1,5,6; 18; 17:2,1,15; Jer 51:7; 13:13; Ps 60:3; Zech 12:2; Obad 1:16; Rev 14:8; Jer 51:7,6; Rev 18:4)
    Their interpretation of Ezekiel’s Gog is nonsense and confusion. They have fabricated a storyline that is not even a “half-truth”, but a full-scale lie which has deceptively cloaked the identity of the army that has already come against anointed “Israel”.   This powerful army does not tolerate rebellion against its authority. (2 Chron 36:14-17; 2 Sam 7:14;Prov 23:13,14; Ezek 28:2; Dan 2:33; 11:37; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3;13:5-7)  
    “How inappropriate it would be to challenge or undermine the authority of appointed elders!” Wt 2000/8/15 p. 29
    Will their perception of Gog eventually be scrapped, as their previous long-taught doctrine of the devastating locusts in Joel, as God’s holy people?  Joel’s locusts are the northern army that came against Israel because of their rebellion and idolatry.  As we see in the above magazine quote, the great “army” of elders fulfill that role, who represent the “image” of the “spirit-directed organization”/idol, having full authority given them by the governing leaders.  They rule unchallenged over God’s holy people today, as they deceitfully “represent the royal priesthood”.  (Ezek 38:4,7; Joel 2:1-5;1:4,6; Dan 11:16,31; 8:25; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 9:2,3,7-9, Ezek 4:1-3; Lev 26:18-19; Rev 13:4,11,12,15, 5-7; Dan 8:24) 
    The book of Revelation also tells us of Gog and Magog.
    Rev 20:7-9 -  When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city. Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
    This event is highly avoided by the governing leaders. Why? It is difficult to “sell” the idea of a thousand-year paradise after Armageddon, where war and death will be no more; and alongside this promise, enforce the contradictive false doctrine that this peace ends in an act of war, leading to the death of many. (Isa 2:4; Rev 21:4; Rev 13:16,17) Thus, the leaders deliberately ignore Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7.  Apparently, they feel they must limit their own deceptions to preserve the appealing ones.    (Ezek 12:21-28; Isa 30:10)
    Contrary to their “thousand-year” doctrine of peace, Gog and Magog show up when the symbolic thousand-year reign of Christ which began in the first century, reaches its end.  (Ps 110:1,2; Prov 25:5; Matt 10:34; 1 Cor 15:24-28) Satan is freed from his inability to “perceive” how to enact his scheme, to deceive the “the elect”.  (Ezek 38:10; Prov 24:8,9;1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:1-3,12; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Prov 24:1,8,9; Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10) 
    Gog and Magog are marching on the earth when “Israel”/New Jerusalem is gathered and surrounded. (Hab 1:6-11) Satan and his army cannot deceive and surround the camp of the saints/anointed if they are ruling as heavenly faithful kings and priests in the Kingdom with Jesus Christ, and serving God in His Temple. (Heb 12:22; Rev 7:3,4,14,15; 22:3,4)
    Their number is “like the sand of the sea”.  (Gen 22:17; Isa 10:22–23; Gal 3:26; Hos 1:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Rom 9:25-28) 
    Christ’s anointed “kings of the earth”, the “beloved city”/ New Jerusalem, is surrounded today, and held captive by the “coalition” of an army of elders, wielding the weapon of deceit. (Rev 1:5; Lam 1:5; Isa 52:2; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; Eph 6:11,12).
    Since the organization’s inception, Satan and his “ministers”, the Harlot/false prophet and her Beast/organization, have gathered unsealed anointed, for the battle of Armageddon and its finale. (Joel 3:9-12,14; Rev 16:13-16; 17:1,3)  Through worldly offers of riches, power and dominance, he has won over unfaithful ones of “Israel”, and their “helpers” who have carried out his inspired plan.   (Luke 4:5-7; Hos 6:7; 2 Cor 11:2,3; 1 Cor 6:15,16;16;  Heb 12:16; Matt 24:24,25; Rev 8:11; 9:1,2; 13:11,15; 19:20; 16:13; 20:10)
    Satanic deception during his “short time”, is at the core, causing a snowball effect that ultimately leads to the trampling of God Temple members. (Rev 20:3;12:12) (Isa 1:12,4,7) The final anointed remnant was ‘captivated’ by the organization’s message, misled by “signs and wonders” of false prophets.  Although they made this choice when they took the bait, it led to breaking their covenant with God and Christ, and leaving truth behind.  (Deut 13:1-5; Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Dan 11:32; Hos 8:1; Ps 78:10; Mal 2:7,8)  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:18,19)
    The have neglected their Temple responsibilities as God’s priesthood. (Mal 2:7; Isa 48:17-19; Amos 9:8-10; Ezek44:8-9;2 Chron 13:9; Jer 44:4; 7:30; 6:15; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16) 
    As Hab 1:12 tells us, the persecution that resulted was discipline that God’s people either responded to and repented for their sins (Ezek 39:25-29), or rebelliously ignored. (Lev 26:21-25; Prov 15:10; 1 Cor 11:32; Heb 12:7,8,11,15; Rom 11:7-10)
    When God disciplined Israel, famine was always the result.  We see the earmark of spiritual famine, the absence of truth in God’s word, evident in the convention presentation. The leaders of spiritual “Israel” hide behind their refuge of lies and “treachery”. (Isa 28:14,15,22; Prov 23:1-3;Amos 8:11; 2Chron.15:3; Ps.74:9; Lev.26:26; Eze.4:10,11,12,13; Rev.6:5,6; Matt 7:15-20)  
    Gog and Magog – the two Beasts of Rev. 13:1,2,11,12 – the Harlot and the Beast she rides – the false prophet and her organization/man of lawlessness that she directs…these identities and more, are one and the same. The characteristics of deceit are laced through the actions behind their titles.  (Rev 16:13-16) Deception has successfully diverted God’s anointed priesthood away from truth in Jesus Christ. 
    The elders have set themselves up over the Temple members of God, as an army that stands “where it does not belong”. There is no “reverence” that God demands toward His Temple/sanctuary/holy place; not by the leaders, by JWs in general, and not by the blind and deceived “kings of the earth”.  (Lev 26:2; Heb 8:1,2; Num 18:7; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Ezek 44:7; Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20)
    “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot."
    God allows His Temple priests to be trampled, because they have lost their "saltiness" (Num 18:19; 2 Chron 13:5; Lev 2:13).
    These have abdicated their royal authority (Luke 10:19) and have allowed the Beast to remove their continual sacrifice ("constant feature") (Luke 10:19; Rev 17:13) as priests and kings, in favor of subjecting themselves to the Image / Idol, of the Wild Beast! (Rev 13:7,8; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 8:11,24,25; 11:31,36; 12:11) (2 Cor 11:20; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,7,8).
     For these offenses against their God, they must be disciplined and refined! They are disciplined, by means of the very gods they have subjected themselves to...
    the Gentile Wild Beast (Rev 13:15,1,4) (locust-scorpion collective Rev 9:3,10), and the false prophet ("second wild beast") (Rev 13:11; 19:20) above it / them.
    Pearl Doxsey - Is the "Wicked Steward" Real?
    However one wants to express it - “Gog of Magog”, or “Gog and Magog” -  the “camp of the saints” is held captive with the stealth of a lion on the prowl – Satan, who seeks to devour them. (1 Pet 5:8) Judgment is all inclusive; this deceitful team will not escape its own judgment, for trampling down God’s people.  (Prov 22:22,23; Ezek 39:6,7; 2 Thess 2:8; Rev 18:4-8; 20:10) 
     Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
    “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
    The remnant will be saved.
    28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
    Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
     And as Isaiah said before:
    “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
    We would have become like Sodom,
    And we would have been made like Gomorrah.” Rom 9:27-29
    From within that Sodom-like City, God will cleanse a remnant and restore them, IF they are repentant. They are restored back, to being "the city of righteousness, the faithful City". (Isa 1:25-27; Zech 13:9; Mal 3:3; Zech 4:9,6,12,14; Rev 11:4,3; 3:12; 21:2; Ps 48:8)
    Pearl Doxsey -  "Sodom"/"Four Horsemen"
     
    In the end, God’s name will be proven holy. (Rom 2:23,24; Ezek 13:9,14,23; 36:22-38; 38:23; 39:27,28;Rev 12:7;7:10; 4:8-11)  
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
    JW leaders have successfully mocked God and Jesus Christ, by claiming that uninspired JW elders (which represents the person teaching in this picture) and JWs in general, will fill in Noah, Samuel, David and Daniel about Jesus Christ, when the Kingdom arrives.  These men were all prophets who foretold the coming Christ.  God put the words in their mouths.  (Jer 1:9; Isa 51:16; 59:21)  Will He stop inspiring them with knowledge in the Kingdom?   The spiritual Temple of God's dwelling in spirit  is built on the apostles and the prophets, with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.  They do not need anyone to "reveal" to them, what happens in Armageddon.  All of their truthful words come together, and are proclaimed against "Israel" in the last days. (Eph 2:20-22; Rev 10:7;22:6) 
    We can see why.  The picture is a deceptive lie.  
     On its most debased level, we have a man in dress clothes and tie, with a printed chart lecturing prophets, who sit on wooden stools.  The uninspired man/elder is exalted, while the prophets are demeaned.  And you accept this, JWs?  
    This is a mockery, blasphemy and stupidity.
    I'm sure your leaders or "helpers" are checking in here.  To them, I give these scriptures:
    "Offer to God a thank offering
    and pay your vows to the Most High.
    NOT PAYING VOWS TO AN ORGANIZATION

    15 And call me in the day of trouble;
    I will deliver you, and you will glorify me.”
    16 But to the wicked God says,
    “What right have you to recite my statutes
    and mention my covenant with your mouth,
    17 while you yourself hate discipline,
    and cast my words behind you?
    18 When you see a thief, then you are pleased with him,
    and your association is with adulterers.
    19 You give your mouth free rein for evil,
    and you harness your tongue to deceit.
    20 You sit and speak against your brother;
    you slander your mother’s son.
    21 These things you have done, and I have been silent;
    You imagined that I was just like you.
    I will rebuke you and present an argument before your eyes.
    22 Now consider this, you who forget God,
    lest I tear you apart, and there will be none to deliver.
    23 He who sacrifices a thank offering honors me,
    and he who orders his way;
    I will show him the salvation of God.” Ps 50:14-23
     

     
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    In the last days
    the mountain of the Lord’s temple will be established
        as the highest of the mountains;
    it will be exalted above the hills,
        and peoples will stream to it.
    2 Many nations will come and say,
    “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
        to the temple of the God of Jacob.
    He will teach us his ways,
        so that we may walk in his paths.”
    The law will go out from Zion,
        the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
    “In that day,” declares the Lord,
    “I will gather the lame;
        I will assemble the exiles
        and those I have brought to grief.
    7 I will make the lame my remnant,
        those driven away a strong nation.
    The Lord will rule over them in Mount Zion
        from that day and forever.
    8 As for you, watchtower of the flock,
        stronghold of Daughter Zion,
    the former dominion will be restored to you;
        kingship will come to Daughter Jerusalem.”  Micah 4:1,2,6-8
    "I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."   Rev 3:8,9
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
    "The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob (Zech 8:23). Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors. (Revelation 3:9b: —I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.)" Isaiah 14:1-2
     
    “This is what the LORD says: “’I will restore the fortunes of Jacob’s tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place." Jeremiah 30:18
    "The LORD will restore the splendor of Jacob like the splendor of Israel, though destroyers (2 Thess 2:3) have laid them waste and have ruined their vines." Nahum 2:2
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
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    For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent,
        for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet,
    till her vindication shines out like the dawn,
        her salvation like a blazing torch.
    2 The nations will see your vindication,
        and all kings your glory;
    you will be called by a new name
        that the mouth of the Lord will bestow.
    3 You will be a crown of splendor in the Lord’s hand,
        a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
    4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
        or name your land Desolate.
    But you will be called Hephzibah,
        and your land Beulah;
    for the Lord will take delight in you,
        and your land will be married.
    5 As a young man marries a young woman,
        so will your Builder marry you;
    as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
        so will your God rejoice over you.
    6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, Jerusalem;
        they will never be silent day or night.
    You who call on the Lord,
        give yourselves no rest,
    7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
        and makes her the praise of the earth.
    8 The Lord has sworn by his right hand
        and by his mighty arm:
    “Never again will I give your grain
        as food for your enemies,
    and never again will foreigners drink the new wine
        for which you have toiled;
    9 but those who harvest it will eat it
        and praise the Lord,
    and those who gather the grapes will drink it
        in the courts of my sanctuary.”
    10 Pass through, pass through the gates!
        Prepare the way for the people.
    Build up, build up the highway!
        Remove the stones.
    Raise a banner for the nations.
    11 The Lord has made proclamation
        to the ends of the earth:
    “Say to Daughter Zion,
        ‘See, your Savior comes!
    See, his reward is with him,
        and his recompense accompanies him.’”
    12 They will be called the Holy People,
        the Redeemed of the Lord;
    and you will be called Sought After,
        the City No Longer Deserted.  Isa 62
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    For Zion’s sake I will not keep silent,
        for Jerusalem’s sake I will not remain quiet,
    till her vindication shines out like the dawn,
        her salvation like a blazing torch.
    2 The nations will see your vindication,
        and all kings your glory;
    you will be called by a new name
        that the mouth of the Lord will bestow.
    3 You will be a crown of splendor in the Lord’s hand,
        a royal diadem in the hand of your God.
    4 No longer will they call you Deserted,
        or name your land Desolate.
    But you will be called Hephzibah,
        and your land Beulah;
    for the Lord will take delight in you,
        and your land will be married.
    5 As a young man marries a young woman,
        so will your Builder marry you;
    as a bridegroom rejoices over his bride,
        so will your God rejoice over you.
    6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, Jerusalem;
        they will never be silent day or night.
    You who call on the Lord,
        give yourselves no rest,
    7 and give him no rest till he establishes Jerusalem
        and makes her the praise of the earth.
    8 The Lord has sworn by his right hand
        and by his mighty arm:
    “Never again will I give your grain
        as food for your enemies,
    and never again will foreigners drink the new wine
        for which you have toiled;
    9 but those who harvest it will eat it
        and praise the Lord,
    and those who gather the grapes will drink it
        in the courts of my sanctuary.”
    10 Pass through, pass through the gates!
        Prepare the way for the people.
    Build up, build up the highway!
        Remove the stones.
    Raise a banner for the nations.
    11 The Lord has made proclamation
        to the ends of the earth:
    “Say to Daughter Zion,
        ‘See, your Savior comes!
    See, his reward is with him,
        and his recompense accompanies him.’”
    12 They will be called the Holy People,
        the Redeemed of the Lord;
    and you will be called Sought After,
        the City No Longer Deserted.  Isa 62
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
    JW leaders have successfully mocked God and Jesus Christ, by claiming that uninspired JW elders (which represents the person teaching in this picture) and JWs in general, will fill in Noah, Samuel, David and Daniel about Jesus Christ, when the Kingdom arrives.  These men were all prophets who foretold the coming Christ.  God put the words in their mouths.  (Jer 1:9; Isa 51:16; 59:21)  Will He stop inspiring them with knowledge in the Kingdom?   The spiritual Temple of God's dwelling in spirit  is built on the apostles and the prophets, with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.  They do not need anyone to "reveal" to them, what happens in Armageddon.  All of their truthful words come together, and are proclaimed against "Israel" in the last days. (Eph 2:20-22; Rev 10:7;22:6) 
    We can see why.  The picture is a deceptive lie.  
     On its most debased level, we have a man in dress clothes and tie, with a printed chart lecturing prophets, who sit on wooden stools.  The uninspired man/elder is exalted, while the prophets are demeaned.  And you accept this, JWs?  
    This is a mockery, blasphemy and stupidity.
    I'm sure your leaders or "helpers" are checking in here.  To them, I give these scriptures:
    "Offer to God a thank offering
    and pay your vows to the Most High.
    NOT PAYING VOWS TO AN ORGANIZATION

    15 And call me in the day of trouble;
    I will deliver you, and you will glorify me.”
    16 But to the wicked God says,
    “What right have you to recite my statutes
    and mention my covenant with your mouth,
    17 while you yourself hate discipline,
    and cast my words behind you?
    18 When you see a thief, then you are pleased with him,
    and your association is with adulterers.
    19 You give your mouth free rein for evil,
    and you harness your tongue to deceit.
    20 You sit and speak against your brother;
    you slander your mother’s son.
    21 These things you have done, and I have been silent;
    You imagined that I was just like you.
    I will rebuke you and present an argument before your eyes.
    22 Now consider this, you who forget God,
    lest I tear you apart, and there will be none to deliver.
    23 He who sacrifices a thank offering honors me,
    and he who orders his way;
    I will show him the salvation of God.” Ps 50:14-23
     

     
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
    “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth.” Mal 2:7
    This elder depicted teaching what appears to be the lie of 1914 obviously isn’t a priest, he’s just a gentile, but he doesn’t care nor does that stop him from defiling the temple (1 Cor 3:17). He abolishes the daily sacrifice of praise from the priesthood with ease, without even batting an eye (Dan 11:31), while being a full fledged man of lawlessness he exalts himself above even the prophets (2 thess 2:4). Does any of this brother him? Not in the least.
    In ancient Israel’s day he’d be put to death for doing this:
    “but an unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death.” Num 18:7b
    But hey, look at the bright side, everything is going according to Gods plan…
    It’s been decreed:
    “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’” Isa 46:10
    Hold onto your crown, it isn’t too much longer. Rev 3:11
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in JWS WILL TEACH PROPHETS?   
    JW leaders have successfully mocked God and Jesus Christ, by claiming that uninspired JW elders (which represents the person teaching in this picture) and JWs in general, will fill in Noah, Samuel, David and Daniel about Jesus Christ, when the Kingdom arrives.  These men were all prophets who foretold the coming Christ.  God put the words in their mouths.  (Jer 1:9; Isa 51:16; 59:21)  Will He stop inspiring them with knowledge in the Kingdom?   The spiritual Temple of God's dwelling in spirit  is built on the apostles and the prophets, with Jesus as the chief cornerstone.  They do not need anyone to "reveal" to them, what happens in Armageddon.  All of their truthful words come together, and are proclaimed against "Israel" in the last days. (Eph 2:20-22; Rev 10:7;22:6) 
    We can see why.  The picture is a deceptive lie.  
     On its most debased level, we have a man in dress clothes and tie, with a printed chart lecturing prophets, who sit on wooden stools.  The uninspired man/elder is exalted, while the prophets are demeaned.  And you accept this, JWs?  
    This is a mockery, blasphemy and stupidity.
    I'm sure your leaders or "helpers" are checking in here.  To them, I give these scriptures:
    "Offer to God a thank offering
    and pay your vows to the Most High.
    NOT PAYING VOWS TO AN ORGANIZATION

    15 And call me in the day of trouble;
    I will deliver you, and you will glorify me.”
    16 But to the wicked God says,
    “What right have you to recite my statutes
    and mention my covenant with your mouth,
    17 while you yourself hate discipline,
    and cast my words behind you?
    18 When you see a thief, then you are pleased with him,
    and your association is with adulterers.
    19 You give your mouth free rein for evil,
    and you harness your tongue to deceit.
    20 You sit and speak against your brother;
    you slander your mother’s son.
    21 These things you have done, and I have been silent;
    You imagined that I was just like you.
    I will rebuke you and present an argument before your eyes.
    22 Now consider this, you who forget God,
    lest I tear you apart, and there will be none to deliver.
    23 He who sacrifices a thank offering honors me,
    and he who orders his way;
    I will show him the salvation of God.” Ps 50:14-23
     

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in “Satan is very skilled in using innuendos, half-truths and lies”   
    These words were spoken recently by S. Lett, member of the governing body during the annual convention. He was referring to the news media, clergy and apostates; and along with them, is the entire ‘worldly’ influence that JWs must guard against.  He informed them that the wicked who are trying to assimilate them into their world, are numbered “900 to one”; the estimated ratio of the earth’s population, to the count of JWs. This means all peoples outside of the organization have been judged by the “governors” as wicked. Undoubtedly, his estimate would manufacture a variety of emotions; apprehension and fear toward those not JWs, along with a sense of chosen “righteous” privilege, assumed by members cloistered within the organization’s walls. (1 Cor 13:4; Prov 30:12-14; Jer 48:29; Isa 66:5,6; Matt 5:11,12; John 15:20; 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15)
    Satan imparts the skills of deception to his ministers who fall in step with his covert operation, but since deception hides the true intention of his works, how do we identify and locate his ministers? (Deut 18:20-22; Lam 2:14; Jer 23:17; 1 Thess 5:3; Luke 6:26; John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:3,4; 11:4; 1 Tim 4:1,2)  Using the familiar phrase heard while in the organization, we “examine the scriptures”, or as the speaker put it, “by diligent study” of God’s word. (Prov 24:3;2 Tim 2:15; 3:16,17)
    This leader stated:
    “In the near future another powerful enemy will come against us. This formidable foe is a coalition of nations called Gog in Ezekiel 38.  It says that Gog will come with a great assembly, a vast army like clouds covering the land.  They will come against God’s people. Now this could be a very intimidating situation. But dear brothers and sisters, your faith will make you stronger than Gog and will keep you stronger until Jehovah miraculously intervenes at Armageddon; and if you think about it, Armageddon is a rescue operation.  He will intervene and he will sweep attacking Gog away forever with a broom of annihilation.”
    “Gog of Magog” is a term frequently used in the organization lately.  The biblical definition of “Gog, the land of Magog”:
    Gog –“mountain”, the name of an Israelite, also of some northern nation. Of the prince of the land of Magog
    Magog – land of Gog, a barbarous northern region/territory; also a great and powerful people under the name of a man   (Gen 10:2) 
    Is it true that Gog of the land of Magog, is showing up during Armageddon as a great pool of national armies?  (Ezek 13:9)  These leaders are projecting spiritual fulfillment in politics and its rulers, in the same way that they have used prophecy of the destruction of early Jerusalem to Christendom’s downfall, by calling it the “antitypical Jerusalem”.  After decades of this teaching, they recently stated that there is no scriptural basis to fit Christendom into this role. So, who does fill this role?  Judgment and condemnation in the last days is where “New Jerusalem”/”Israel” resides. (Rom 9:6; 2:28,29; Phil 3:3; Gal 4:26)
    Judgment comes upon God’s named people in the “saints”/anointed priesthood, under the wicked steward of God’s household. To these who are under covenant with God, prophecy has its fulfillment. (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Heb 3:6; 8:6-8; Ezek 5:5,6; 2 Chron 7:14; Jer 25:29; Isa 1:21; Luke 12:42,45; Rev 17:6; Luke 12:46; Hos 6:5; Jer 5:14; 23:29; Rev 18:8)
    Taking on another antitypical role for Gog of Magog leads to a conundrum in teachings. The organization teaches that its members are the “remnant” to have come out of Babylon the Great, the “empire of false religion”. (Rev 17:5)  If they were faithful in their devotion to God and obeyed His laws, which JWs believes they are, would He allow this to occur to a perceived obedient people under His favor? (Lev 26:3,6) There is no biblical instance where nations plundered and persecuted His people when they were faithful, but plenty of examples to prove otherwise.  (Lev 26:14,15,21,22;  Jer 14:7,10;32:24; Ezek 5:13-15; Isa 29:7; Jer 6:6; Luke 21:20; Rev 20:8,9) 
    However, the leader promised that persecution by the ‘news media, clergy, apostates’ and the nations cannot be avoided in the last days.  Yet simply, most of this “persecution” is the result of the organization’s various dark doctrines coming to light; their rejection of the words of Christ, which ultimately they will face accountability for.  (Ezek 5:14,15; Matt 10:26; John 3:19; 12:48; Rom 2:6-8; Eph 5:5,6,11; Heb 4:12; 2 Chron 36:15,16; Mal 3:1-3;Matt 17:11;Rev 11:1-3;14:6,7)
    Why did the nation of Israel suffer persecution by the Chaldean army of Babylon? Under the leadership of stiff-necked rulers, Judah was wicked, disregarding God’s laws and defiling the temple.  (2 Chron 36:14; Hab 1:3,4,6; Zech 12:2)
    “Didn’t you exist before time began, O Lord, my God, my Holy One? We will not die! O Lord, you have appointed the Babylonians to bring judgment. O Rock, you have destined them to correct us.”  Hab 1:12
    The governing leader deftly avoided the true reason Gog of Magog attacked Israel in their day. There was no scripture cited to back up his untrustworthy prediction. 
    “You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.”
    Why would Gog be used to prove God’s holiness? 
    “I will turn you around, drive you on, and lead you up from the remotest parts of the north. I will bring you against the mountains of Israel.”
    “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the judgment I have executed and the hand I have laid on them. 22 From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations will know that the house of Israel went into exile on account of their iniquity, because they dealt unfaithfully with me. Therefore, I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, so that they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and transgressions, and I hid my face from them.”  Ezek 39:2,22-24
    As a result of disobedience toward their covenant with God, Israel was promised discipline for their sin, which was manifested through Gog’s attack. (Deut 28:15,20,25,45,46) God’s supernatural show of unlimited power toward a repentant Israel, glorified His name not only among His refined people, but was witnessed among the nations.  (Ezek 38:23; 39:6,7,22,28; Joel 3:17)
    Will JWs notice that Gog of Magog came upon Israel due to their repeated sin and gross abominations?  Since the organization’s “Gog” is predicted to bring havoc, does this mean that JWs will be “exiled” to “Babylon the Great”, most of them arrested and taken into bondage, as happened to the nation of Israel? (2 Chron 36:18-20; Ezek 17:12)   
    What it does mean, is they are still under symbolic “Babylon’s” influence of drunken confusion and darkness, leading to death. (Isa 1:21;28:14,15,18; Rev 8:11;13:11,12,15,16; Rev 17:1,5,6; 18; 17:2,1,15; Jer 51:7; 13:13; Ps 60:3; Zech 12:2; Obad 1:16; Rev 14:8; Jer 51:7,6; Rev 18:4)
    Their interpretation of Ezekiel’s Gog is nonsense and confusion. They have fabricated a storyline that is not even a “half-truth”, but a full-scale lie which has deceptively cloaked the identity of the army that has already come against anointed “Israel”.   This powerful army does not tolerate rebellion against its authority. (2 Chron 36:14-17; 2 Sam 7:14;Prov 23:13,14; Ezek 28:2; Dan 2:33; 11:37; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3;13:5-7)  
    “How inappropriate it would be to challenge or undermine the authority of appointed elders!” Wt 2000/8/15 p. 29
    Will their perception of Gog eventually be scrapped, as their previous long-taught doctrine of the devastating locusts in Joel, as God’s holy people?  Joel’s locusts are the northern army that came against Israel because of their rebellion and idolatry.  As we see in the above magazine quote, the great “army” of elders fulfill that role, who represent the “image” of the “spirit-directed organization”/idol, having full authority given them by the governing leaders.  They rule unchallenged over God’s holy people today, as they deceitfully “represent the royal priesthood”.  (Ezek 38:4,7; Joel 2:1-5;1:4,6; Dan 11:16,31; 8:25; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 9:2,3,7-9, Ezek 4:1-3; Lev 26:18-19; Rev 13:4,11,12,15, 5-7; Dan 8:24) 
    The book of Revelation also tells us of Gog and Magog.
    Rev 20:7-9 -  When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city. Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them.
    This event is highly avoided by the governing leaders. Why? It is difficult to “sell” the idea of a thousand-year paradise after Armageddon, where war and death will be no more; and alongside this promise, enforce the contradictive false doctrine that this peace ends in an act of war, leading to the death of many. (Isa 2:4; Rev 21:4; Rev 13:16,17) Thus, the leaders deliberately ignore Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7.  Apparently, they feel they must limit their own deceptions to preserve the appealing ones.    (Ezek 12:21-28; Isa 30:10)
    Contrary to their “thousand-year” doctrine of peace, Gog and Magog show up when the symbolic thousand-year reign of Christ which began in the first century, reaches its end.  (Ps 110:1,2; Prov 25:5; Matt 10:34; 1 Cor 15:24-28) Satan is freed from his inability to “perceive” how to enact his scheme, to deceive the “the elect”.  (Ezek 38:10; Prov 24:8,9;1 Pet 5:8; Rev 12:1-3,12; Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Prov 24:1,8,9; Col 2:8;1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10) 
    Gog and Magog are marching on the earth when “Israel”/New Jerusalem is gathered and surrounded. (Hab 1:6-11) Satan and his army cannot deceive and surround the camp of the saints/anointed if they are ruling as heavenly faithful kings and priests in the Kingdom with Jesus Christ, and serving God in His Temple. (Heb 12:22; Rev 7:3,4,14,15; 22:3,4)
    Their number is “like the sand of the sea”.  (Gen 22:17; Isa 10:22–23; Gal 3:26; Hos 1:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Rom 9:25-28) 
    Christ’s anointed “kings of the earth”, the “beloved city”/ New Jerusalem, is surrounded today, and held captive by the “coalition” of an army of elders, wielding the weapon of deceit. (Rev 1:5; Lam 1:5; Isa 52:2; Col 2:8; Luke 21:24; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; Eph 6:11,12).
    Since the organization’s inception, Satan and his “ministers”, the Harlot/false prophet and her Beast/organization, have gathered unsealed anointed, for the battle of Armageddon and its finale. (Joel 3:9-12,14; Rev 16:13-16; 17:1,3)  Through worldly offers of riches, power and dominance, he has won over unfaithful ones of “Israel”, and their “helpers” who have carried out his inspired plan.   (Luke 4:5-7; Hos 6:7; 2 Cor 11:2,3; 1 Cor 6:15,16;16;  Heb 12:16; Matt 24:24,25; Rev 8:11; 9:1,2; 13:11,15; 19:20; 16:13; 20:10)
    Satanic deception during his “short time”, is at the core, causing a snowball effect that ultimately leads to the trampling of God Temple members. (Rev 20:3;12:12) (Isa 1:12,4,7) The final anointed remnant was ‘captivated’ by the organization’s message, misled by “signs and wonders” of false prophets.  Although they made this choice when they took the bait, it led to breaking their covenant with God and Christ, and leaving truth behind.  (Deut 13:1-5; Matt 24:24; 2 Thess 2:9-12; Dan 11:32; Hos 8:1; Ps 78:10; Mal 2:7,8)  (Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 1 Tim 4:1; Col 2:18,19)
    The have neglected their Temple responsibilities as God’s priesthood. (Mal 2:7; Isa 48:17-19; Amos 9:8-10; Ezek44:8-9;2 Chron 13:9; Jer 44:4; 7:30; 6:15; Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15,16) 
    As Hab 1:12 tells us, the persecution that resulted was discipline that God’s people either responded to and repented for their sins (Ezek 39:25-29), or rebelliously ignored. (Lev 26:21-25; Prov 15:10; 1 Cor 11:32; Heb 12:7,8,11,15; Rom 11:7-10)
    When God disciplined Israel, famine was always the result.  We see the earmark of spiritual famine, the absence of truth in God’s word, evident in the convention presentation. The leaders of spiritual “Israel” hide behind their refuge of lies and “treachery”. (Isa 28:14,15,22; Prov 23:1-3;Amos 8:11; 2Chron.15:3; Ps.74:9; Lev.26:26; Eze.4:10,11,12,13; Rev.6:5,6; Matt 7:15-20)  
    Gog and Magog – the two Beasts of Rev. 13:1,2,11,12 – the Harlot and the Beast she rides – the false prophet and her organization/man of lawlessness that she directs…these identities and more, are one and the same. The characteristics of deceit are laced through the actions behind their titles.  (Rev 16:13-16) Deception has successfully diverted God’s anointed priesthood away from truth in Jesus Christ. 
    The elders have set themselves up over the Temple members of God, as an army that stands “where it does not belong”. There is no “reverence” that God demands toward His Temple/sanctuary/holy place; not by the leaders, by JWs in general, and not by the blind and deceived “kings of the earth”.  (Lev 26:2; Heb 8:1,2; Num 18:7; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Ezek 44:7; Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20)
    “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot."
    God allows His Temple priests to be trampled, because they have lost their "saltiness" (Num 18:19; 2 Chron 13:5; Lev 2:13).
    These have abdicated their royal authority (Luke 10:19) and have allowed the Beast to remove their continual sacrifice ("constant feature") (Luke 10:19; Rev 17:13) as priests and kings, in favor of subjecting themselves to the Image / Idol, of the Wild Beast! (Rev 13:7,8; 2 Thess 2:4; Dan 8:11,24,25; 11:31,36; 12:11) (2 Cor 11:20; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,7,8).
     For these offenses against their God, they must be disciplined and refined! They are disciplined, by means of the very gods they have subjected themselves to...
    the Gentile Wild Beast (Rev 13:15,1,4) (locust-scorpion collective Rev 9:3,10), and the false prophet ("second wild beast") (Rev 13:11; 19:20) above it / them.
    Pearl Doxsey - Is the "Wicked Steward" Real?
    However one wants to express it - “Gog of Magog”, or “Gog and Magog” -  the “camp of the saints” is held captive with the stealth of a lion on the prowl – Satan, who seeks to devour them. (1 Pet 5:8) Judgment is all inclusive; this deceitful team will not escape its own judgment, for trampling down God’s people.  (Prov 22:22,23; Ezek 39:6,7; 2 Thess 2:8; Rev 18:4-8; 20:10) 
     Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:
    “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
    The remnant will be saved.
    28 For He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
    Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
     And as Isaiah said before:
    “Unless the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,
    We would have become like Sodom,
    And we would have been made like Gomorrah.” Rom 9:27-29
    From within that Sodom-like City, God will cleanse a remnant and restore them, IF they are repentant. They are restored back, to being "the city of righteousness, the faithful City". (Isa 1:25-27; Zech 13:9; Mal 3:3; Zech 4:9,6,12,14; Rev 11:4,3; 3:12; 21:2; Ps 48:8)
    Pearl Doxsey -  "Sodom"/"Four Horsemen"
     
    In the end, God’s name will be proven holy. (Rom 2:23,24; Ezek 13:9,14,23; 36:22-38; 38:23; 39:27,28;Rev 12:7;7:10; 4:8-11)  
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    I am in error here and I apologize.  Even though the army (Ezek 38:4,7; Joel 2:1-5;1:4,6; Rev 9: 2,3,7-9,5; 13:11,12,5-7)  that comes against remnant of God’s holy saints in the last days is massive and devastating, that army is not the “sand of the sea”.  This, refers to God’s people - Gen 22:17; Gal 3:26; Hos 1:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13
    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11
    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20
    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26
    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 
    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13
    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11
    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20
    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26
    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 
    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
     
     
     
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