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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, they are not impossible to understand, it’s just that you chose the wrong analogy.  GB member A. Morris once said that as the apostles had set decrees, so too, does the governing body.  They have set their own analogy, in the manner of the apostles.  But since these teach an earthly organization can be “inspired”, (“spirit-directed organization”), (Rev 13:15)   while they personally are not, truthfully they are false apostles.  “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.” 2 Cor 11:13
    Since they pass doctrine and forecast dates of Armageddon and the coming Kingdom, they set their own analogy as prophets.  But since these doctrines and predictions fail, they are truthfully, false prophets. “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”  Matt 24:11
    Since they only, among all anointed, take on the role of dispensing spiritual food, they have set their own analogy as the “faithful and discreet slave”, teachers solely in charge of providing “fruit”/sustenance for the house of God.  But since their teachings do not last, but rot, they are in essence, false teachers.  “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.”  2 Pet 2:1  “So then, you will recognize them by their fruit.”  Matt 7:20
    Putting themselves ahead of all Christ’s brothers and sisters, has set their own analogy as already deemed the “faithful and discreet slave”, but since they silence the anointed by telling them to obey the exalted elder body(2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2), which prevents them from acting as the priest/teachers God appointed them to be - offering their daily sacrifice as they should (Dan 8:11,12) – this GB is truthfully, the evil slave of Matt 24:48-51.  “The kings (elders) of the Gentiles rule over their subjects, and those in authority over them (over the Gentile elders) are called ‘friends of the people.’(GB)  But that’s not the way it will be with you. Instead, the greatest among you must become like a person of lower status and the leader like a servant.”  Luke 22:25-26
    These men set their own analogy by stating they are servants of Christ – "anointed" ones  following the path Jesus set before us.   But since they “kill” their own brothers and sisters who cannot accept their false teachings (Rev 13:11,12,15), they are truthfully, false “christs”.  “False christs and false prophets will appear, and they will offer signs and wonders in order to deceive, if possible, those whom God has chosen.”  Mark 13:22 
    There are many analogies to make concerning the GB, but Cyrus is not one of them.
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in What is the sign of the Son of man?   
    "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of *angels* ("messengers" Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9),  to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel."  Heb 12:22-24
    "Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us"  Heb 12:1
    3 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”   
    "When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them." 
     "Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them."  Rev 11:3,7,11,12
    "For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are  asleep.  For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord."  1 Thess 4:15-17
    For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God.  Rom 8:18,19
    "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen."  Rev 1:7
    "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."  Matt 24:30
    "But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:  'Let all the *angels* of God worship Him.'”   And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits  And His ministers a flame of fire.” Heb 1:6,7
    Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the *angels* of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”  John 1:50,51
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    We have the faithful and sealed,  144,000” who never worshipped Revelation’s end time Wild Beast from the Sea.  They were blameless “and lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”.  Rev 20:4
    We also have the anointed remnant in the last days -  “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, who are “taken captive by empty philosophy”.  (Col 2:8,1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  Satan deceives them with a flood of lies. This is how he “makes war” with them.  (Rev 12:3,4,15)
    Matt 24:24,25 –  “For false messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance.”
    Through this captivity, the anointed worship the Beast, they give their obedience to men and the beast/organization.  They bear its “mark”; but there are some who “conquer” the Beast/organization by sacrificing their life for Christ. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15; 15:2) They also must repent to receive their “white robe washed in the blood of the lamb”. (Heb 10:22; Rev 7:14)
    The symbolic thousand years ended with the emergence of the Wild Beast from the Sea and the Beast with “two horns” like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon” – descriptive of false prophets.  (Rev 13:11,12)
    Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7,8 = the two Beasts of Rev 13.  One represents false prophets of “Israel”, (“Gog”), and one represents the “man of lawlessness”/organization (“Magog”) and an army that persecutes the saints.  (Joel 1:4,7-10; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6; 13:5-7)  The false prophet of Rev 13:11,12 directs the Beast from the Sea. Who directs the organization?
    Rev 20: “When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison (Rev 9:1,2) and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.”  
    The battle of Armageddon.  There is no other battle once this one is finished as Daniel tells us. Dan 7:11-14,21,22,26,27
     Rev 20:8,9 - “Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city.
    “New Jerusalem”/Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26)
    Once the temple is sealed by the last capstone, (Zech 4:9,10) there is no way that the faithful saints in the Kingdom can be surrounded by Satan, Gog and Magog of Rev 20, while ruling with Jesus Christ.  It is the anointed “kings of the earth” that are the primary target of this war.  Rev 16:13-16 (Rev 1:5)
    And this war is one of DECEIT against the saints, as Rev 20:7 tells us.  Deceit means lies, not a war of nations fighting with literal weapons.   How can proven faithful, sealed anointed be deceived once reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom?
    Rev 20:9,10 - “Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
    We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)
    God promises no more death or sorrow in the Kingdom.  The Wt doctrine of the thousand years ending in war, nullifies this promise from God. (Rev 21:4)  He looks at the heart of each one of us during our lifetime, even those before Christ. He already perceives what we are made of, what are capabilities are.  Becoming fleshly, mentally perfect will make no difference.  Obviously, it didn’t for Adam and Eve.   (1 Sam 16:7; Heb 4:13)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    We have the faithful and sealed,  144,000” who never worshipped Revelation’s end time Wild Beast from the Sea.  They were blameless “and lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years”.  Rev 20:4
    We also have the anointed remnant in the last days -  “remaining ones of the woman’s seed”, who are “taken captive by empty philosophy”.  (Col 2:8,1 Tim 4:1; Rev 13:10)  Satan deceives them with a flood of lies. This is how he “makes war” with them.  (Rev 12:3,4,15)
    Matt 24:24,25 –  “For false messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. Take note: I have told you in advance.”
    Through this captivity, the anointed worship the Beast, they give their obedience to men and the beast/organization.  They bear its “mark”; but there are some who “conquer” the Beast/organization by sacrificing their life for Christ. (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:15; 15:2) They also must repent to receive their “white robe washed in the blood of the lamb”. (Heb 10:22; Rev 7:14)
    The symbolic thousand years ended with the emergence of the Wild Beast from the Sea and the Beast with “two horns” like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon” – descriptive of false prophets.  (Rev 13:11,12)
    Gog and Magog of Rev 20:7,8 = the two Beasts of Rev 13.  One represents false prophets of “Israel”, (“Gog”), and one represents the “man of lawlessness”/organization (“Magog”) and an army that persecutes the saints.  (Joel 1:4,7-10; Rev 8:10,11; 9:1-6; 13:5-7)  The false prophet of Rev 13:11,12 directs the Beast from the Sea. Who directs the organization?
    Rev 20: “When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison (Rev 9:1,2) and will go out to deceive the nations at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle.”  
    The battle of Armageddon.  There is no other battle once this one is finished as Daniel tells us. Dan 7:11-14,21,22,26,27
     Rev 20:8,9 - “Their number is like the sand of the sea. 9 They came up across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the encampment of the saints, the beloved city.
    “New Jerusalem”/Temple of God.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Gal 4:26)
    Once the temple is sealed by the last capstone, (Zech 4:9,10) there is no way that the faithful saints in the Kingdom can be surrounded by Satan, Gog and Magog of Rev 20, while ruling with Jesus Christ.  It is the anointed “kings of the earth” that are the primary target of this war.  Rev 16:13-16 (Rev 1:5)
    And this war is one of DECEIT against the saints, as Rev 20:7 tells us.  Deceit means lies, not a war of nations fighting with literal weapons.   How can proven faithful, sealed anointed be deceived once reigning with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom?
    Rev 20:9,10 - “Then fire came down from heaven and consumed them. 10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
    We already know that the anointed saints are surround by a number like the sand of the sea – the massive elder body who have usurped their position as God’s priests, ending their daily sacrifice to God.  (Ezek 44:6-9)
    God promises no more death or sorrow in the Kingdom.  The Wt doctrine of the thousand years ending in war, nullifies this promise from God. (Rev 21:4)  He looks at the heart of each one of us during our lifetime, even those before Christ. He already perceives what we are made of, what are capabilities are.  Becoming fleshly, mentally perfect will make no difference.  Obviously, it didn’t for Adam and Eve.   (1 Sam 16:7; Heb 4:13)
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.  John 12:31
    “Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."  John 5:24
    "This is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."   John 3:19
    There is not another "judgment" after death is destroyed which is promised to happen at the end of Armageddon.  (1 Cor 15:25,26)
    I think we need to remember that the Wt is an expert at confusing teachings.  Developing their doctrine that a thousand years of judgment to come AFTER Armageddon, is laced with a promise of peace, and  of becoming physically and mentally perfect, is totally misleading.  We have the accounts of faithful ones who lived their lives totally devoted to God and His word.  To think that they must enter into another judgment period after they are resurrected, is a lie. It negates the judgment of Christ now.   The symbolic "thousand years" is finished.  It was a time period where the anointed who lived as humans must prove their faithfulness, loyalty to truth, and their love for God, Jesus, and the assignment that was given to them.  (Luke 16:10; Matt 25:21) 
    Wt doctrine is basically saying that not only does Jesus not have the capability to judge our hearts now, but neither does God.  These are the same leaders who have allowed the anointed to be trampled down by the elder body.  (Matt 24:24,25,15,16, 48-51;  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)  Whatever is done to the anointed members of Jesus Christ, is done to him.  (Acts 26:14)  So, of course Wt would imply that Jesus' promise of ETERNAL LIFE comes with a fine print clause....another judgment period is to follow,  after he DESTROYS DEATH.  
    It is based on the desires of the flesh - who wouldn't latch on to a bogus promise of peace, physical beauty and mental perfection?  Who...would promise such things, but Satan who bestows physical riches, power and authority to those who do his bidding!  (Luke 4:5-7)
    This is absolute blasphemy.  
    John 6:63 - "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Now is the judgment of this world. Now the ruler of this world will be cast out.  John 12:31
    “Truly I tell you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life."  John 5:24
    "This is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."   John 3:19
    There is not another "judgment" after death is destroyed which is promised to happen at the end of Armageddon.  (1 Cor 15:25,26)
    I think we need to remember that the Wt is an expert at confusing teachings.  Developing their doctrine that a thousand years of judgment to come AFTER Armageddon, is laced with a promise of peace, and  of becoming physically and mentally perfect, is totally misleading.  We have the accounts of faithful ones who lived their lives totally devoted to God and His word.  To think that they must enter into another judgment period after they are resurrected, is a lie. It negates the judgment of Christ now.   The symbolic "thousand years" is finished.  It was a time period where the anointed who lived as humans must prove their faithfulness, loyalty to truth, and their love for God, Jesus, and the assignment that was given to them.  (Luke 16:10; Matt 25:21) 
    Wt doctrine is basically saying that not only does Jesus not have the capability to judge our hearts now, but neither does God.  These are the same leaders who have allowed the anointed to be trampled down by the elder body.  (Matt 24:24,25,15,16, 48-51;  2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)  Whatever is done to the anointed members of Jesus Christ, is done to him.  (Acts 26:14)  So, of course Wt would imply that Jesus' promise of ETERNAL LIFE comes with a fine print clause....another judgment period is to follow,  after he DESTROYS DEATH.  
    It is based on the desires of the flesh - who wouldn't latch on to a bogus promise of peace, physical beauty and mental perfection?  Who...would promise such things, but Satan who bestows physical riches, power and authority to those who do his bidding!  (Luke 4:5-7)
    This is absolute blasphemy.  
    John 6:63 - "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn’t help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life."
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, not in the same way God used Cyrus.  
    “Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
    To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
    To subdue nations before him
    And loose the armor of kings,
    To open before him the double doors,
    So that the gates will not be shut:
    2 ‘I will go before you
    And make the crooked places straight;
    I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
    And cut the bars of iron.
    3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
    And hidden riches of secret places,
    That you may know that I, the Lord,
    Who call you by your name,
    Am the God of Israel.  Isa 45
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    No, not in the same way God used Cyrus.  
    “Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
    To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
    To subdue nations before him
    And loose the armor of kings,
    To open before him the double doors,
    So that the gates will not be shut:
    2 ‘I will go before you
    And make the crooked places straight;
    I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
    And cut the bars of iron.
    3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
    And hidden riches of secret places,
    That you may know that I, the Lord,
    Who call you by your name,
    Am the God of Israel.  Isa 45
     
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    Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    How can Jehovah use your organization when you admit you are not inspired by the holy spirit?
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in They're better as a group, than they are individually - (observations from the outside)   
    This could mean that Cyrus worked on his own and exclusively for his own interests, but it turned out well for the Jews as well. 
    When the Bible says that "God will put it in the hearts of kings to do his will", then it is not a kind of "inspiration", but what is it then? Fraud in a "diplomatic" way?
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    I get it.  When you read the article, you obviously recognized the seriousness of the wrong committed by the elders.  I would guess subconsciously, you reasoned there is nothing you can do about it, shifting your focus on other religions or atheists to soothe your conscience.  That’s very common for people do.  One thing about this blame-shifting, it helps erase the same problem happening in the org., out of the mind.  
    God judges those “on the outside”, (1 Cor 5:12) so we must examine the practices of God’s holy priesthood; where a spiritual “Gentile” nation of elders judges them hypocritically, and all JWs. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:5-7)   Why, is this sin of neglect toward abuse victims in the org., predominant in the news?  I can’t dismiss the power of God and what Jesus said to his people,  “ For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. 3 Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.”  Luke 12:2,3
    “inner rooms” – not only the inner rooms where the GB meet, but judicial committees where elders meet to pass hypocritical judgment against all. 
    The first sins to be declared and seen, are those of God's people under covenant. Jesus and his disciples always revealed the hypocrisy among their people.  We do the same, since hypocrisy and threatening the innocent ones, breaks God’s laws fulfilled in Jesus Christ.  Ezek 3:18,19; 1 Cor 6:2; Eph 5:11,12; Ps 94:16; Rom 13:9  We have to take responsibility for the actions of our own people, just as Jeremiah did.  Jer. 8:14-21  His righteous conscience motivated him to do so.  
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    In the countries where CSA is reported it is mainly because government deparments have investigated ALL religions and clubs etc that involve children being close to adults.  Even charities are investigated for CSA.  
    It's very strange that the USA doesn't seem to be investigating on a large scale.  Here in UK the Charity Commision and the IICSA have both been involved in deep investigations of CSA in religions. 
    I believe that the Australian Royal Commision started with the investigation of the Catholic church. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Perhaps Rando thinks that members of "Babylon the Great" deserve more public attention / disgust and more punishment from secular courts. On the other hand, the same kind of sin / crime in WTJWorg should not be an obstacle for JW members to show "understanding" towards their own sinners, and also, God will be merciful because it is "his" people after all.
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Are you saying that God's judgment is more severe against the Catholic Church than toward His holy people " Israel" under covenant - the anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9), and GB whom we assume are anointed?  Does God expect your "Gentile" elder judges found to be pedophiles, to receive a slap on the hand, while you expect the clergy of the Catholic Church to receive a much more stringent judgment by the court system?
    "So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’” (read further Mal 3:15-18)
    "Therefore, every one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.  Do you think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment?  Rom 2:1-3
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Robert Hendriks has a habit of saying basically the same thing in all his interviews; love of neighbor, love of God promotes the preaching work.  Also, love of neighbor and sanctity of life was the reason for stopping the public preaching work.  Propaganda, shedding a most favorable light amidst the darkness of child abuse from the same organization.
    Is it truly love of neighbor to teach someone a doctrine, that is exposed as not true?  How could anyone say yes? It is not love, neither in the preaching work nor in the congregations by the leaders.  It’s like buying a set of encyclopedias from a door-to-door salesmen for your child, thinking they are accurately portraying the reference information needed to aid in your children’s search for knowledge, only to find out that each page holds major lies.  We would consider the salesman whom we bought the set from, a charlatan.
    Exactly.  If the foundation of teaching is based on the necessity to continually change doctrine (because the previous doctrine was not TRUE), no one can develop a true personal love for God and Christ. We know them through the knowledge of truth, not through wrong, failed, deceitful doctrines. (Ps 25:5;John 14:6)
    Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you when he said:
    8 This people honors me with their lips,
    but their heart is far from me.
    9 They worship me in vain,
    teaching as doctrines human commands.”  Matt 15:7-9
    @JW Insider - People can come into an association with our Christian brotherhood for all the wrong reasons, and never develop a true personal love for Jesus and Jehovah, but this doesn't mean that anyone should claim it was negative experiences in the organization that killed them spirituality. That would negate another of Paul's statements.
    Losing one’s spirituality doesn’t result from someone joining for the wrong reasons, when the reasons for the existence of the organization, are already on shaky ground, evident through the twisted teachings of the Wt. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 2 Tim 2:25,26; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12; 16:13-16; 12:3,4) 
    It is a place where the key of knowledge is taken away from its members, through the teachings of falsehoods which is called “new light”, “adjustments in understanding”. (Isa 33:6; Luke 11:52)  This in totality, is a negative experience.  So, yeah, people leave because of it and never pursue truth afterwards.  But not all of those joined for the wrong reasons; they joined thinking they had found TRUTH, and were disappointed to learn otherwise.   Others do pursue their spirituality upon leaving, and find truth in Jesus Christ, because they realized they were lacking a spiritual connection in the Father and the Son.   (John 14:6; 1 John 4:6)  
    God’s word is solid Truth.  Jesus, as the Word, is solid Truth.  How can anyone come to know them OR truth, if it isn’t offered on a consistent basis?  “Living water” is consistent. (John 7:38; Jer 2:13)  The vision of the temple in Ezekiel describes the water (symbolic for life) as only getting deeper. It doesn’t stop at any point, or dry up, as a doctrine of men does; nor is it ever found to cause disease or death of another.  (Ezek 47:1-9; Rev 22:1,2; Rev 8:10,11) 
     The “bread of life” doesn’t become stale, tossed out for a new loaf. (John 6:48,51) These two sources of “food” in Jesus Christ are expected to be offered by those anointed teachers/”trees” who “remain” in him –through their consistent growing light of truth that LASTS, never rots, never needs to be discarded. (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-4,16,17)  Otherwise, the threat to one’s spirituality – one who accepts tainted water or stale bread full of a teacher’s own “yeast”, brings about a spiritual death.  (Matt 16:6)
    Good gifts of living water and the bread of life is showing love to one’s neighbor. Wt’s history proves that its teachers do not present good, consistent, loving gifts.
    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
    @JW Insider - (Romans 8:37-39) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    The apostle Paul was connected in truth to Jesus Christ.  The organization is the stumbling block that keeps one from knowing truth, from forming that connection.  If we tolerate shifting doctrine that scripture shows, does not have its source in Jesus, well yes, we have then allowed powers, governors of their government, to separate us from God’s love.  Why do JWs allow men uninspired to get away with it?  Why do they make excuses for their lies?  Why do JWs believe they have truth when scriptures prove they do not? The best way to live up to Paul's words, is to leave the stumbling block behind.   The GB are not sincerely asking for truth from Jesus Christ, because they love their own doctrine, their perversion of scripture. (Matt 7:7,8; Gal 1:6-10; 2 Pet 3:17,18; Phil 3:18,19) What comes out of their mouth proves no connection with Jesus as their Head. (Luke 6:45)  It is Jesus’ words that contain life, not the doctrine of men.  (Eph 4:14,15)
    “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    I get it.  When you read the article, you obviously recognized the seriousness of the wrong committed by the elders.  I would guess subconsciously, you reasoned there is nothing you can do about it, shifting your focus on other religions or atheists to soothe your conscience.  That’s very common for people do.  One thing about this blame-shifting, it helps erase the same problem happening in the org., out of the mind.  
    God judges those “on the outside”, (1 Cor 5:12) so we must examine the practices of God’s holy priesthood; where a spiritual “Gentile” nation of elders judges them hypocritically, and all JWs. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 13:5-7)   Why, is this sin of neglect toward abuse victims in the org., predominant in the news?  I can’t dismiss the power of God and what Jesus said to his people,  “ For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known. 3 Therefore whatever you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have spoken in the ear in inner rooms will be proclaimed on the housetops.”  Luke 12:2,3
    “inner rooms” – not only the inner rooms where the GB meet, but judicial committees where elders meet to pass hypocritical judgment against all. 
    The first sins to be declared and seen, are those of God's people under covenant. Jesus and his disciples always revealed the hypocrisy among their people.  We do the same, since hypocrisy and threatening the innocent ones, breaks God’s laws fulfilled in Jesus Christ.  Ezek 3:18,19; 1 Cor 6:2; Eph 5:11,12; Ps 94:16; Rom 13:9  We have to take responsibility for the actions of our own people, just as Jeremiah did.  Jer. 8:14-21  His righteous conscience motivated him to do so.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Are you saying that God's judgment is more severe against the Catholic Church than toward His holy people " Israel" under covenant - the anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9), and GB whom we assume are anointed?  Does God expect your "Gentile" elder judges found to be pedophiles, to receive a slap on the hand, while you expect the clergy of the Catholic Church to receive a much more stringent judgment by the court system?
    "So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’” (read further Mal 3:15-18)
    "Therefore, every one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.  Do you think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment?  Rom 2:1-3
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Are you saying that God's judgment is more severe against the Catholic Church than toward His holy people " Israel" under covenant - the anointed priests (1 Pet 2:5,9), and GB whom we assume are anointed?  Does God expect your "Gentile" elder judges found to be pedophiles, to receive a slap on the hand, while you expect the clergy of the Catholic Church to receive a much more stringent judgment by the court system?
    "So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’” (read further Mal 3:15-18)
    "Therefore, every one of you who judges is without excuse. For when you judge another, you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the same things.  Now we know that God’s judgment on those who do such things is based on the truth.  Do you think—anyone of you who judges those who do such things yet do the same—that you will escape God’s judgment?  Rom 2:1-3
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Yes, your spirit-directed organization has been given power to spiritually “kill” anyone who rejects the organization  – who rejects the elder body – who rejects the GB, and who speak TRUTH. 
    John 16:2-4
    I was a JW, blind as you are for over 32 years.
    "Are you personally proving yourself holy with regard to not associating with family members or others who have been disfellowshipped?" Watchtower 2014 Nov 15 p.14
    Can you see that the disfellowshipped have lost, according to the elders’ ruling, all “holiness” before God?  Do the unholy/unrighteous inherit the Kingdom?  It is decreed that they are spiritually “dead” until they repent according to Watchtower’s rules. 
    The elders represent the “image” of the spirit-directed organization. The elders “sit as God in the temple of God” showing that they have the (unlawful) ability to speak for God.  2 Thess 2:4; Rev 13:11,14,15,18
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in KAZAKHSTAN: Plagiarised "expert analysis", Jehovah's Witnesses to pay over 3 years' wages   
    I don't doubt your knowledge of history.
    Hmmm, sounds very familiar. 
       Rev 17 and 18, concerns God's anointed over the last 150 years, and down to today.
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/10/09/lawsuit-alleges-church-elder-sexually-abused-youth/
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    https://knox.villagesoup.com/2021/10/09/lawsuit-alleges-church-elder-sexually-abused-youth/
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Jehovah’s Witness | OPEN , Interview with JW Spokesman Robert Hendriks   
    Robert Hendriks has a habit of saying basically the same thing in all his interviews; love of neighbor, love of God promotes the preaching work.  Also, love of neighbor and sanctity of life was the reason for stopping the public preaching work.  Propaganda, shedding a most favorable light amidst the darkness of child abuse from the same organization.
    Is it truly love of neighbor to teach someone a doctrine, that is exposed as not true?  How could anyone say yes? It is not love, neither in the preaching work nor in the congregations by the leaders.  It’s like buying a set of encyclopedias from a door-to-door salesmen for your child, thinking they are accurately portraying the reference information needed to aid in your children’s search for knowledge, only to find out that each page holds major lies.  We would consider the salesman whom we bought the set from, a charlatan.
    Exactly.  If the foundation of teaching is based on the necessity to continually change doctrine (because the previous doctrine was not TRUE), no one can develop a true personal love for God and Christ. We know them through the knowledge of truth, not through wrong, failed, deceitful doctrines. (Ps 25:5;John 14:6)
    Hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you when he said:
    8 This people honors me with their lips,
    but their heart is far from me.
    9 They worship me in vain,
    teaching as doctrines human commands.”  Matt 15:7-9
    @JW Insider - People can come into an association with our Christian brotherhood for all the wrong reasons, and never develop a true personal love for Jesus and Jehovah, but this doesn't mean that anyone should claim it was negative experiences in the organization that killed them spirituality. That would negate another of Paul's statements.
    Losing one’s spirituality doesn’t result from someone joining for the wrong reasons, when the reasons for the existence of the organization, are already on shaky ground, evident through the twisted teachings of the Wt. (Matt 24:24,25; Col 2:8; 2 Tim 2:25,26; Rev 13:10; Rev 13:1,2,5-7,11,12; 16:13-16; 12:3,4) 
    It is a place where the key of knowledge is taken away from its members, through the teachings of falsehoods which is called “new light”, “adjustments in understanding”. (Isa 33:6; Luke 11:52)  This in totality, is a negative experience.  So, yeah, people leave because of it and never pursue truth afterwards.  But not all of those joined for the wrong reasons; they joined thinking they had found TRUTH, and were disappointed to learn otherwise.   Others do pursue their spirituality upon leaving, and find truth in Jesus Christ, because they realized they were lacking a spiritual connection in the Father and the Son.   (John 14:6; 1 John 4:6)  
    God’s word is solid Truth.  Jesus, as the Word, is solid Truth.  How can anyone come to know them OR truth, if it isn’t offered on a consistent basis?  “Living water” is consistent. (John 7:38; Jer 2:13)  The vision of the temple in Ezekiel describes the water (symbolic for life) as only getting deeper. It doesn’t stop at any point, or dry up, as a doctrine of men does; nor is it ever found to cause disease or death of another.  (Ezek 47:1-9; Rev 22:1,2; Rev 8:10,11) 
     The “bread of life” doesn’t become stale, tossed out for a new loaf. (John 6:48,51) These two sources of “food” in Jesus Christ are expected to be offered by those anointed teachers/”trees” who “remain” in him –through their consistent growing light of truth that LASTS, never rots, never needs to be discarded. (Matt 7:15-20; John 15:1-4,16,17)  Otherwise, the threat to one’s spirituality – one who accepts tainted water or stale bread full of a teacher’s own “yeast”, brings about a spiritual death.  (Matt 16:6)
    Good gifts of living water and the bread of life is showing love to one’s neighbor. Wt’s history proves that its teachers do not present good, consistent, loving gifts.
    “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”  Matt 7:9-12
    @JW Insider - (Romans 8:37-39) For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    The apostle Paul was connected in truth to Jesus Christ.  The organization is the stumbling block that keeps one from knowing truth, from forming that connection.  If we tolerate shifting doctrine that scripture shows, does not have its source in Jesus, well yes, we have then allowed powers, governors of their government, to separate us from God’s love.  Why do JWs allow men uninspired to get away with it?  Why do they make excuses for their lies?  Why do JWs believe they have truth when scriptures prove they do not? The best way to live up to Paul's words, is to leave the stumbling block behind.   The GB are not sincerely asking for truth from Jesus Christ, because they love their own doctrine, their perversion of scripture. (Matt 7:7,8; Gal 1:6-10; 2 Pet 3:17,18; Phil 3:18,19) What comes out of their mouth proves no connection with Jesus as their Head. (Luke 6:45)  It is Jesus’ words that contain life, not the doctrine of men.  (Eph 4:14,15)
    “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.” 2 Tim 2:15
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    But the TRUE 'Church' is the ANOINTED.  I'm sure you already know that Aruana. 
    The Temple of Living Stones with Jesus Christ as the Corner Stone. 
    The church isn't a building and it isn't a religion. 
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    At present time/until now WTJWorg published, ...which in order ?, fifth, sixth..., "clear explanation"? 
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