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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in A. MORRIS AND MONEY   
    JWs frequently compare the organization to the days of Moses leading the nation of Israel in the wilderness.  They tie these time periods together by saying they are both ‘theocratic organizations’.  However, do they acknowledge that Moses was an inspired prophet leading God’s people; and simply, their leaders are not by their own admittance? When making this comparison, do they acknowledge that God installed His priests, anointing them with holy oil, and giving them the assignment to teach the people His laws?  (Exod 28:41;29:7-9; Mal 2:7)
    The priesthood in Moses’ day was separated from the people to carry out this special work as ministers of God on behalf of the people. (Num 18:7,20; 3:10; Deut 17:9; 31:9) 
    In the early 1950’s it was stated in a JW magazine that the members of the “royal priesthood” were to be “teachers and guardians of the law of God”, providing evidence from  Mal 2:7; Lev 10:11; Deut 33:10; 17:9-11.  It said that the anointed priests had a ‘tremendous responsibility which God held them to’. They were to keep the people “on the right path”.   (Num 18:7,20; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9; Heb 13:15; Ezek 44:23; Jer 23:22)
    Are any of these words from the past magazine recognizable in “Jehovah’s organization” today? Like a chameleon blending into a wall unnoticed, the leadership of pathological liars has changed any bits of truth into untruths so gradually, that nothing seems amiss to present day JWs. (Ezek 13:3,6,7,14; Matt 24:24,25; Acts 13:9,10; Gal 1:6,7,11,12; 2 Pet 2:1-3; 1 Tim 4:1,2; Heb 12:15; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8: 10,11; 16:13-16)
    These changes have aided in the development, and capability of two “Beasts” to dominate and trample God’s priesthood into the dust, into an unclean state before God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:1-6; 13:1,2,5-7;11,12,15-17) (Isa 29:2-4; Dan 7:23; Luke 21:20,24; 19:43,44; Eccl 3:20; 12:7; Rev 3:1,18)  
    We have an incomparable situation from that of Moses’ day, where the spirit-anointed priesthood has been shoved out of the position as active priests. Their value spoken of in the 1950’s has been dismissed by a large army’s power siege, under the guidance of a “wicked slave”.  (Ezek 34:21;Jer 4:16-21,27,28; Joel 2:2,17; Dan 7:19; 8:10,11,13; 11:31;Matt 24:48-51)
    The Levitical priesthood is under an eternal covenant with God, but His anointed priests have broken this promise God held them to, and have allowed the elder body said to “represent” God’s priests, to teach men’s laws founded on the principles of an earthly organization.   (Jer 33:18-21; Num 18:1,5,19; Heb 4:14,15; 8:10; 13:15) (Mal 2:8; Lam 2:9; Joel 2:17; Jer 5:3,11,30,31; 2 Chron 15:3; Luke 11:52;2 Thess 2:3,4)  
    But now, an earthly organization is proclaimed as the dwelling of God’s spirit. (Rom 1:25) This image of a “spirit-directed organization” is reflected through the representation of the elder body.  The men are said to have received Holy Spirit and authority to teach and judge, by the misapplication of scriptures, which rightfully apply to God’s holy priesthood.  (1 Kings 12:28-30; 13:33,34; Rev 13:11,12,15; 19:20) (John 20:23; 1 Cor 6:2,3;12:4-6,27; Eph 4:4,7,8,12,13; Rev 20:4)
    Replacing and silencing these “living stones of God’s spiritual dwelling, is an “abomination” according to God. (Num 3:10,38; 2 Chron 13:9,10; Ezek 8:6; 44:6-9; Matt 24:15,16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 4:1; Heb 9:11; Eph 2:20-22)   
    And that does lead to a few apt comparisons to the time of Israel in the wilderness.  Besides the persistent tendency to neglect the word of the Holy One, there are two major correlations we can make.  The first was Korah’s attempt to usurp the priesthood.
    The organization comments, “When Korah and his associates in the wilderness wanted to exalt themselves to the priesthood and charged Moses and Aaron with taking too much on themselves, they proved that they did not appreciate theocratic organization.” (w 1952/Feb 1 pp. 76-85)
    Today, it is clearly evident that there is no appreciation for ‘theocratic organization’ in the anointed priesthood of God’s Temple under Jesus Christ. By the orders of the evil slave and her massive army, they are denied the ability to direct the people in truth.  (Zech 8:16; Prov 8:7;12:17; 2 Cor 4:1,2; 1 Tim 4:1; Dan 8:12)  This equates to removal of their “daily sacrifices” of praise and truth in Jesus, to the Father. (Dan 7:23; 8:10,11,13;11:31; John 15:4-6)
    All that has taken place in the organization, was prophesied to affect the remaining anointed ones in the last days – Christ’s “kings of the earth”. (Rev 12:17,15; Dan 11:10; Rev 16:13-16; 20;7-9; Luke 21:20) (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)
    The other major comparison to Israel’s years in the wilderness, was the idolatry that broke out among them. (Exod 32:1) Their uprising, which led to fabricating a golden calf to “go before” the people, is seen through the fabrication that one must “keep in step with” – “moving ahead with Jehovah’s organization”. JWs have been stumbled by their leaders’ vision of their own minds, to “go before” them, thoroughly convinced that this idol will lead them into salvation. (Deut 7:26; Jer 14:14; Matt 16:23; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Rev 2:14; Isa 57:14)  
     Idols do come in all sizes and forms, and it has been said from their own mouths…
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization."  Wt 1990/11/1 p. 26 
    It was an act of physical and spiritual thievery to ask the people of Israel to contribute their gold for the making of the golden calf idol, even if they willingly handed it over.   Aaron succumbed to the pressure of the crowd’s fleshly desires. But how Aaron approached God in repentance concerning His failure to prevent idolatry, is not known.  Moses begged God for forgiveness on his behalf, and on behalf of the people.   (Exod 32:2-4,26, 30,31; Deut 9:18-20) 
    Not so with the governing leaders. They continue on their path of growing greed and support of the abomination present in the elder body. (Mark 13:14; Matt 24:48-51; Dan 2:33,43; Rev 13:11,12; 17:3)
    Every willing or begrudging contribution that is now mandatory to preserve and to build up the idol, is pure thievery. (Exod 20:3,4; Deut 4:23; Rom 16:17,18; Rom 1:25; 8:5; Mark 10:19;John 10:10)
     Every JW who submits to such pressure becomes the victim of spiritual abuse.  They are slaves to men and their earthly treasures. (1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; Col 3:24; Col 2:8; Jude 1:4; Rev 13:10)
    Both of these major comparisons to Israel’s unfaithfulness in the past, are linked to the present. The gradual removal of the holy priesthood, has led to the solid installation of the idol/organization through the exaltation of the man of lawless/elder body.  This “body” that produces ‘stinging’ judgments against God’s holy people, stands “where it doesn’t belong”.  (Mark 13:14; Rev 9:7-10; 11:1,2; 13:5-7; Ezek 2:6) 
    In his prayer during the dedication of the temple he built for the name of God, King Solomon stressed the sovereignty of God, and the necessity of his servants to “walk in all His ways”,  keeping His commandments “with all their hearts”.   (1 Kings 8:23, 57,58) 
    We do not “walk” in the statutes of men or those of an organization whose needs are no different than another earthly entity. We “keep in step” with the statutes of God through His Son, Jesus Christ. We observe only, the decrees Jesus fulfilled in his coming, and in his teachings. (Matt 15:9; 1 Tim 6:3-5)   (1 Kings 2:3; 6:12;Micah 6:8; John 8:12 Matt 22:36-40; 5:17,18; 24:35; Rom 13:10; 2 Thess 3:6)
    The temple that Solomon built, was not to be worshipped.  1 Kings 8:27.  It was a house of prayer and sacrifices made for the atonement of sins; and where God graciously filled the temple with His glory and radiance.  Still, Solomon repeatedly stated that one’s prayers from the temple would be heard by God “in heaven, the place of your dwelling”.  (1 Kings 8:30,32,34,36; Gen 28:16,17)  Although God allowed His name to be on the temple as long as Israel was faithful, it was still the Almighty God who directed the nation of Israel, and not the temple where God’s Spirit rested.  (Exod 15:2; 20:2; Isa 43:11)
    In contrast, it is the organization which bears the name “Jehovah”, (and its nonanointed elders) that is continually stressed as the guiding authority over the lives of JWs.   (Exod 23:13; Eph 5:15,16; Judges 10:13,14; Isa 46:5-9)
    One of the hypocritical governing leaders who lives behind locked gates where men in a kiosk scrutinize all visitors arriving at their highly protected compound, stated to his listeners that God expects money to be given to the organization. Through these donations received, his fleshly desires are preserved; his prominence and power over the holy people and all JWs, remains intact. (Luke 4:5-7;Rom 8:5; Gal 5:16,17,24; Eph 4:20-24; 1 John 2:16; Col 3:5; 2 Tim 3:2; Jude 1:17,18)  
    He stated, “Now, the fact is we never beg for money, but that’s not to say we can’t talk about money in Jehovah’s organization, the earthly part”.
    Never beg for money?  When speaking of the future project on the gospels of Jesus, one governing partner said,  “In view of the large scope of this project we encourage you to make it a matter of prayer and please (said with lengthy emphasis), support it according to your circumstances”.
    God has no need for an earthly organization, when Zion is built on the Body of Jesus Christ and God’s chosen “living stones” of His priestly kings. They are the “organization” that God has sanctioned since the first century. They are the temple/dwelling of God’s spirit. (Isa 2:2,3; Zech 41 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22,10; Rev 5:9,10; 1 Cor 12:27; 14:1)
    So, why is this leader talking about money? The idol requires it, just as the idol in Moses’ day required people’s gold to create it. (1 Cor 10:7)  It can only exist if money is poured into it.  The leader admits, “Money has to be discussed in the last day, this system, meets a response in all things.”  We must ask then, what sets this organization apart from any other?  Where is God’s power and spirit in this apparently unusual “spirit-directed organization”? Where does the faith in God’s ability to provide for their needs, lie?  Their faith and trust is in the idol, and all idols need to be fed by the men who create them.  So the lie is fostered that God and the Father will love JWs, because they give their material possessions…to the idol. He used two scriptures to support this.
    The first is Deut 16:16,17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+16%3A16%2C17&version=NIV
    What were the blessings brought before the Lord?  They were the “firstfruits” of the barley and wheat harvest, and of the olive and grape.  God blessed their plantings throughout the year leading to abundant harvests because of their obedience to His commandments. (Deut 16:13,15; 26:3-5; 30:9,10)   These feasts all held spiritual significance, which we find in Jesus’ presence on earth, his teachings, and God’s provision for redemption through his atoning sacrifice.  (Matt 1:23; 7:37,38; Rom 8:2; 1 Cor 5:7;15:20; Heb 4:15; Col 2:16,17; Mark 2:22) 
    Money holds no spiritual significance to God, and cannot preserve one’s good standing before Him, or prove our love for Him. We are judged on our love and obedience to His Word in Jesus Christ. (Deut 7:11-13; Eccl 7:12; Hos 6:6; Matt 6:19,20,24; Col 3:1,2,5-7; 1 Tim 6:6-10)
    He also cited 2 Cor 9:7 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+9%3A7&version=NIV
     Paul urged the uninhibited generous spread of the seed of truth, and the generous giving to the poor and suffering.  (2 Cor 9:10,8)  Please read 2 Cor 8:13-15 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+8%3A13-15&version=CSB -
    Neither the sharing of and need of truth, nor physical provisions for the poor are met in the organization.  There is no fairness or equality with Bible truth in either regard, as men who live a worry-free comfortable life, breathe and propagate lying doctrines. (Prov 5:3,4,7-14; Heb 12:14,15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:7,8) 
     Pearl Doxsey:
    We learn from God's own Word, about the sacrifices that He is pleased with. 
    Three scriptures come to mind... 2 Cor 9:7-13; 8:11,12; Philemon 1:14
    They contain the lesson that our gift is decided in our own heart, between us and God alone. No compulsion should be felt, but our gift is rooted in love and joy. God then blesses our charitable work, by supplying all we need to continue in it, while we also reap abundant blessing for ourselves. Through such a relationship with God's truth and the life that results, all, are refreshed, sustained, and built up. There is no sense of burden, comparison, competition, or failure. Such things come from the wicked one, and those who assist Satan to shackle men with a bondage to Idols.
    Rules, standards, human expectations, and counting, do not serve the will, truth, or purpose of God (Matt 15:9; Mark 7:13).
    Those things only serve the unlawful, worldly power and desires, of men, and the purpose of Satan.
    "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)
     “Service” - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/01/service.html
    The poor and needy must provide not only for their own needs, but donate to the desires of the leaders, and to the needs of their idol. Using the example of the widow’s contribution to the temple in Jesus’ day, the speaker had the impudence to tell the poor, “So even when we’re poor we’re expected to give monetarily, it’s because we love Jehovah, love Jesus”   (Mark 12:41-44)
    The Watchtower Corporation is laden with stock holdings and investments. The money they receive, have, spend, and invest, is of primary interest to its governors (Matt 6:21). 
    The NMB version of the Bible states; "No man who wars, entangles himself with worldly business, because he wants to please him who has chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Tim 2:4). 
    Jesus has chosen the members of his Elect, to battle with him against religious falsehood. (2 Tim 2:3,4; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 17:14; Eph 6:11,12; 5:11). 
    His faithful anointed will not prioritize or focus on, materialism (Matt 6:19-21,24,25,26,28-32).
    The GB speaker’s comparison to the early temple in Jerusalem where God removed His Spirit for rejecting his Son, should certainly clue us in to the identity of today’s idol/”temple”, as “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”.  This Jewish system was also corrupt; the Pharisees had added their own laws to the laws of God, which Jesus referenced as burdens put upon the people.  (Matt 11:28; 23:4;16:11,12) The division between the rich and the poor was widened under the Roman Gentile domination.  The widow dropped her coins into one of 13 chests marked for the donation’s use, (sound familiar?) whether it was for sacrifices, voluntary contributions for the poor, or mandatory obligations.   These chests were shaped like trumpets, with large funnels playing back the sound of the money dropping in.  Knowing this, brings more clarity to Jesus’ words in Matt 6:2. 
    There was no balance stressed by Paul in 2 Cor 8:13-15.  If the widow dropped in “all she had to live on”, was she a recipient as a poor one, from the temple’s treasury?  For a certainty, the poor in the organization are not the recipients of its “treasury”.  (Isa 58:1,6-7; 2 Thess 3:7-9;1 Thess 2:9; James 2:1-7)
    Jesus said, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  (Mark 12:7)   This nonprofit organization (and he called it such) follows strict guidelines and codes when building their “Bethels”. They seek tax exempt status, which requires registration with the government.  They are in essence, under the management of the government by following certain regulations.  This is the crux of the GB’s statement that “money has to be discussed” and “meets a response in all things” in this system.  Solomon’s temple and its building was not influenced by a government, yet when God’s people sinned, outside nations obtained dominion and power over His people, Jerusalem, and the temple.  
    Within this idolized nonprofit “spirit-directed organization”, God’s spiritual Temple has been dominated by a foreign nation – a “Gentile” take-over.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:4,7) Under the compulsion of God’s priests to remain silent, chained and branded by an organization of false doctrines, spiritual famine is pervasive; and a plague of corruption, disease and affliction of the heart, has come upon them and those in their company. (1 Kings 8:37-40; Ezek 14:3; Prov 23:6-8; Isa 29:7,8; Zech 10:2; Amos 8:11-13; Rev 2:9; 9:20; 13:7,16,17;16:2; 2 Thess 2:7-10) The congregations suffer in the spiritual sense; and in many areas of the world, the constant burden exists to give out of the few resources one has, expected contributions to the idol. 
    Citing John 14:23 was a very desperate choice to give credence to the leader’s decrees, because Jesus’ words in general, condemned accumulating worldly riches and storing up treasures on earth.
    Satan had offered Jesus earthly power, riches and authority over the “kingdoms of the world/earth”, but he rejected all of it. (Luke 4:5-7) He stated, “my kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36), so why would Jesus approve of men’s desires to establish his kingdom under his authority in this world, and attempt to put God’s name on it?  The Kingdom reign of Jesus Christ is one of “grace and truth”, far superior than any power, riches and authority this world has to offer. (John 1:14,17; Eph 1:19-21)
    Please consider the understanding of today’s spiritual Temple as being the anointed priesthood where God’s spirit dwells. Only His decrees are written on their hearts. (Deut 6:4-8; 2 Cor 6:16; John 14:23; Rom 5:5;2 Cor 3:3; Heb 10:16)  
    The anointed over the years have been taken captive by this Beast/organization. (Luke 22:31; 1 Pet 5:8; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 12:17) Those who have confronted it with truth in imitation of their Head, Jesus Christ, have faced persecution for their testimony of Jesus. (John 15:20; 16:2; 1 Pet 4:12,13; Rev 12:17;13:15; 6:9,11) The faithful “living stones”, made in the ‘image and likeness of God’, will bear the name of God and Jesus Christ in the Kingdom. (Rev 3:12) They and those who gather with them under Jesus' protection and care, will worship the Almighty Father in “spirit and truth”. (Gen 1:27; Matt 5:48; Col 3:10;Eph 5:7-10; Eph 4:24) (John 4:22-24)
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Daniel Chapter Eleven, verses 31-45 
    Armageddon 
    "Mankind" / "Son of Man" / "Man' of Lawlessness" - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2

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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in A. MORRIS AND MONEY   
    JWs frequently compare the organization to the days of Moses leading the nation of Israel in the wilderness.  They tie these time periods together by saying they are both ‘theocratic organizations’.  However, do they acknowledge that Moses was an inspired prophet leading God’s people; and simply, their leaders are not by their own admittance? When making this comparison, do they acknowledge that God installed His priests, anointing them with holy oil, and giving them the assignment to teach the people His laws?  (Exod 28:41;29:7-9; Mal 2:7)
    The priesthood in Moses’ day was separated from the people to carry out this special work as ministers of God on behalf of the people. (Num 18:7,20; 3:10; Deut 17:9; 31:9) 
    In the early 1950’s it was stated in a JW magazine that the members of the “royal priesthood” were to be “teachers and guardians of the law of God”, providing evidence from  Mal 2:7; Lev 10:11; Deut 33:10; 17:9-11.  It said that the anointed priests had a ‘tremendous responsibility which God held them to’. They were to keep the people “on the right path”.   (Num 18:7,20; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9; Heb 13:15; Ezek 44:23; Jer 23:22)
    Are any of these words from the past magazine recognizable in “Jehovah’s organization” today? Like a chameleon blending into a wall unnoticed, the leadership of pathological liars has changed any bits of truth into untruths so gradually, that nothing seems amiss to present day JWs. (Ezek 13:3,6,7,14; Matt 24:24,25; Acts 13:9,10; Gal 1:6,7,11,12; 2 Pet 2:1-3; 1 Tim 4:1,2; Heb 12:15; 2 Pet 3:17; Rev 8: 10,11; 16:13-16)
    These changes have aided in the development, and capability of two “Beasts” to dominate and trample God’s priesthood into the dust, into an unclean state before God. (2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 9:1-6; 13:1,2,5-7;11,12,15-17) (Isa 29:2-4; Dan 7:23; Luke 21:20,24; 19:43,44; Eccl 3:20; 12:7; Rev 3:1,18)  
    We have an incomparable situation from that of Moses’ day, where the spirit-anointed priesthood has been shoved out of the position as active priests. Their value spoken of in the 1950’s has been dismissed by a large army’s power siege, under the guidance of a “wicked slave”.  (Ezek 34:21;Jer 4:16-21,27,28; Joel 2:2,17; Dan 7:19; 8:10,11,13; 11:31;Matt 24:48-51)
    The Levitical priesthood is under an eternal covenant with God, but His anointed priests have broken this promise God held them to, and have allowed the elder body said to “represent” God’s priests, to teach men’s laws founded on the principles of an earthly organization.   (Jer 33:18-21; Num 18:1,5,19; Heb 4:14,15; 8:10; 13:15) (Mal 2:8; Lam 2:9; Joel 2:17; Jer 5:3,11,30,31; 2 Chron 15:3; Luke 11:52;2 Thess 2:3,4)  
    But now, an earthly organization is proclaimed as the dwelling of God’s spirit. (Rom 1:25) This image of a “spirit-directed organization” is reflected through the representation of the elder body.  The men are said to have received Holy Spirit and authority to teach and judge, by the misapplication of scriptures, which rightfully apply to God’s holy priesthood.  (1 Kings 12:28-30; 13:33,34; Rev 13:11,12,15; 19:20) (John 20:23; 1 Cor 6:2,3;12:4-6,27; Eph 4:4,7,8,12,13; Rev 20:4)
    Replacing and silencing these “living stones of God’s spiritual dwelling, is an “abomination” according to God. (Num 3:10,38; 2 Chron 13:9,10; Ezek 8:6; 44:6-9; Matt 24:15,16; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 4:1; Heb 9:11; Eph 2:20-22)   
    And that does lead to a few apt comparisons to the time of Israel in the wilderness.  Besides the persistent tendency to neglect the word of the Holy One, there are two major correlations we can make.  The first was Korah’s attempt to usurp the priesthood.
    The organization comments, “When Korah and his associates in the wilderness wanted to exalt themselves to the priesthood and charged Moses and Aaron with taking too much on themselves, they proved that they did not appreciate theocratic organization.” (w 1952/Feb 1 pp. 76-85)
    Today, it is clearly evident that there is no appreciation for ‘theocratic organization’ in the anointed priesthood of God’s Temple under Jesus Christ. By the orders of the evil slave and her massive army, they are denied the ability to direct the people in truth.  (Zech 8:16; Prov 8:7;12:17; 2 Cor 4:1,2; 1 Tim 4:1; Dan 8:12)  This equates to removal of their “daily sacrifices” of praise and truth in Jesus, to the Father. (Dan 7:23; 8:10,11,13;11:31; John 15:4-6)
    All that has taken place in the organization, was prophesied to affect the remaining anointed ones in the last days – Christ’s “kings of the earth”. (Rev 12:17,15; Dan 11:10; Rev 16:13-16; 20;7-9; Luke 21:20) (Rev 1:5; 5:9,10)
    The other major comparison to Israel’s years in the wilderness, was the idolatry that broke out among them. (Exod 32:1) Their uprising, which led to fabricating a golden calf to “go before” the people, is seen through the fabrication that one must “keep in step with” – “moving ahead with Jehovah’s organization”. JWs have been stumbled by their leaders’ vision of their own minds, to “go before” them, thoroughly convinced that this idol will lead them into salvation. (Deut 7:26; Jer 14:14; Matt 16:23; 2 Pet 2:1-3; Rev 2:14; Isa 57:14)  
     Idols do come in all sizes and forms, and it has been said from their own mouths…
    "As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization."  Wt 1990/11/1 p. 26 
    It was an act of physical and spiritual thievery to ask the people of Israel to contribute their gold for the making of the golden calf idol, even if they willingly handed it over.   Aaron succumbed to the pressure of the crowd’s fleshly desires. But how Aaron approached God in repentance concerning His failure to prevent idolatry, is not known.  Moses begged God for forgiveness on his behalf, and on behalf of the people.   (Exod 32:2-4,26, 30,31; Deut 9:18-20) 
    Not so with the governing leaders. They continue on their path of growing greed and support of the abomination present in the elder body. (Mark 13:14; Matt 24:48-51; Dan 2:33,43; Rev 13:11,12; 17:3)
    Every willing or begrudging contribution that is now mandatory to preserve and to build up the idol, is pure thievery. (Exod 20:3,4; Deut 4:23; Rom 16:17,18; Rom 1:25; 8:5; Mark 10:19;John 10:10)
     Every JW who submits to such pressure becomes the victim of spiritual abuse.  They are slaves to men and their earthly treasures. (1 Cor 7:23; Gal 1:10; Col 3:24; Col 2:8; Jude 1:4; Rev 13:10)
    Both of these major comparisons to Israel’s unfaithfulness in the past, are linked to the present. The gradual removal of the holy priesthood, has led to the solid installation of the idol/organization through the exaltation of the man of lawless/elder body.  This “body” that produces ‘stinging’ judgments against God’s holy people, stands “where it doesn’t belong”.  (Mark 13:14; Rev 9:7-10; 11:1,2; 13:5-7; Ezek 2:6) 
    In his prayer during the dedication of the temple he built for the name of God, King Solomon stressed the sovereignty of God, and the necessity of his servants to “walk in all His ways”,  keeping His commandments “with all their hearts”.   (1 Kings 8:23, 57,58) 
    We do not “walk” in the statutes of men or those of an organization whose needs are no different than another earthly entity. We “keep in step” with the statutes of God through His Son, Jesus Christ. We observe only, the decrees Jesus fulfilled in his coming, and in his teachings. (Matt 15:9; 1 Tim 6:3-5)   (1 Kings 2:3; 6:12;Micah 6:8; John 8:12 Matt 22:36-40; 5:17,18; 24:35; Rom 13:10; 2 Thess 3:6)
    The temple that Solomon built, was not to be worshipped.  1 Kings 8:27.  It was a house of prayer and sacrifices made for the atonement of sins; and where God graciously filled the temple with His glory and radiance.  Still, Solomon repeatedly stated that one’s prayers from the temple would be heard by God “in heaven, the place of your dwelling”.  (1 Kings 8:30,32,34,36; Gen 28:16,17)  Although God allowed His name to be on the temple as long as Israel was faithful, it was still the Almighty God who directed the nation of Israel, and not the temple where God’s Spirit rested.  (Exod 15:2; 20:2; Isa 43:11)
    In contrast, it is the organization which bears the name “Jehovah”, (and its nonanointed elders) that is continually stressed as the guiding authority over the lives of JWs.   (Exod 23:13; Eph 5:15,16; Judges 10:13,14; Isa 46:5-9)
    One of the hypocritical governing leaders who lives behind locked gates where men in a kiosk scrutinize all visitors arriving at their highly protected compound, stated to his listeners that God expects money to be given to the organization. Through these donations received, his fleshly desires are preserved; his prominence and power over the holy people and all JWs, remains intact. (Luke 4:5-7;Rom 8:5; Gal 5:16,17,24; Eph 4:20-24; 1 John 2:16; Col 3:5; 2 Tim 3:2; Jude 1:17,18)  
    He stated, “Now, the fact is we never beg for money, but that’s not to say we can’t talk about money in Jehovah’s organization, the earthly part”.
    Never beg for money?  When speaking of the future project on the gospels of Jesus, one governing partner said,  “In view of the large scope of this project we encourage you to make it a matter of prayer and please (said with lengthy emphasis), support it according to your circumstances”.
    God has no need for an earthly organization, when Zion is built on the Body of Jesus Christ and God’s chosen “living stones” of His priestly kings. They are the “organization” that God has sanctioned since the first century. They are the temple/dwelling of God’s spirit. (Isa 2:2,3; Zech 41 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22,10; Rev 5:9,10; 1 Cor 12:27; 14:1)
    So, why is this leader talking about money? The idol requires it, just as the idol in Moses’ day required people’s gold to create it. (1 Cor 10:7)  It can only exist if money is poured into it.  The leader admits, “Money has to be discussed in the last day, this system, meets a response in all things.”  We must ask then, what sets this organization apart from any other?  Where is God’s power and spirit in this apparently unusual “spirit-directed organization”? Where does the faith in God’s ability to provide for their needs, lie?  Their faith and trust is in the idol, and all idols need to be fed by the men who create them.  So the lie is fostered that God and the Father will love JWs, because they give their material possessions…to the idol. He used two scriptures to support this.
    The first is Deut 16:16,17 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+16%3A16%2C17&version=NIV
    What were the blessings brought before the Lord?  They were the “firstfruits” of the barley and wheat harvest, and of the olive and grape.  God blessed their plantings throughout the year leading to abundant harvests because of their obedience to His commandments. (Deut 16:13,15; 26:3-5; 30:9,10)   These feasts all held spiritual significance, which we find in Jesus’ presence on earth, his teachings, and God’s provision for redemption through his atoning sacrifice.  (Matt 1:23; 7:37,38; Rom 8:2; 1 Cor 5:7;15:20; Heb 4:15; Col 2:16,17; Mark 2:22) 
    Money holds no spiritual significance to God, and cannot preserve one’s good standing before Him, or prove our love for Him. We are judged on our love and obedience to His Word in Jesus Christ. (Deut 7:11-13; Eccl 7:12; Hos 6:6; Matt 6:19,20,24; Col 3:1,2,5-7; 1 Tim 6:6-10)
    He also cited 2 Cor 9:7 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+9%3A7&version=NIV
     Paul urged the uninhibited generous spread of the seed of truth, and the generous giving to the poor and suffering.  (2 Cor 9:10,8)  Please read 2 Cor 8:13-15 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Cor+8%3A13-15&version=CSB -
    Neither the sharing of and need of truth, nor physical provisions for the poor are met in the organization.  There is no fairness or equality with Bible truth in either regard, as men who live a worry-free comfortable life, breathe and propagate lying doctrines. (Prov 5:3,4,7-14; Heb 12:14,15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:7,8) 
     Pearl Doxsey:
    We learn from God's own Word, about the sacrifices that He is pleased with. 
    Three scriptures come to mind... 2 Cor 9:7-13; 8:11,12; Philemon 1:14
    They contain the lesson that our gift is decided in our own heart, between us and God alone. No compulsion should be felt, but our gift is rooted in love and joy. God then blesses our charitable work, by supplying all we need to continue in it, while we also reap abundant blessing for ourselves. Through such a relationship with God's truth and the life that results, all, are refreshed, sustained, and built up. There is no sense of burden, comparison, competition, or failure. Such things come from the wicked one, and those who assist Satan to shackle men with a bondage to Idols.
    Rules, standards, human expectations, and counting, do not serve the will, truth, or purpose of God (Matt 15:9; Mark 7:13).
    Those things only serve the unlawful, worldly power and desires, of men, and the purpose of Satan.
    "You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." (John 8:32)
     “Service” - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/01/service.html
    The poor and needy must provide not only for their own needs, but donate to the desires of the leaders, and to the needs of their idol. Using the example of the widow’s contribution to the temple in Jesus’ day, the speaker had the impudence to tell the poor, “So even when we’re poor we’re expected to give monetarily, it’s because we love Jehovah, love Jesus”   (Mark 12:41-44)
    The Watchtower Corporation is laden with stock holdings and investments. The money they receive, have, spend, and invest, is of primary interest to its governors (Matt 6:21). 
    The NMB version of the Bible states; "No man who wars, entangles himself with worldly business, because he wants to please him who has chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Tim 2:4). 
    Jesus has chosen the members of his Elect, to battle with him against religious falsehood. (2 Tim 2:3,4; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 17:14; Eph 6:11,12; 5:11). 
    His faithful anointed will not prioritize or focus on, materialism (Matt 6:19-21,24,25,26,28-32).
    The GB speaker’s comparison to the early temple in Jerusalem where God removed His Spirit for rejecting his Son, should certainly clue us in to the identity of today’s idol/”temple”, as “Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”.  This Jewish system was also corrupt; the Pharisees had added their own laws to the laws of God, which Jesus referenced as burdens put upon the people.  (Matt 11:28; 23:4;16:11,12) The division between the rich and the poor was widened under the Roman Gentile domination.  The widow dropped her coins into one of 13 chests marked for the donation’s use, (sound familiar?) whether it was for sacrifices, voluntary contributions for the poor, or mandatory obligations.   These chests were shaped like trumpets, with large funnels playing back the sound of the money dropping in.  Knowing this, brings more clarity to Jesus’ words in Matt 6:2. 
    There was no balance stressed by Paul in 2 Cor 8:13-15.  If the widow dropped in “all she had to live on”, was she a recipient as a poor one, from the temple’s treasury?  For a certainty, the poor in the organization are not the recipients of its “treasury”.  (Isa 58:1,6-7; 2 Thess 3:7-9;1 Thess 2:9; James 2:1-7)
    Jesus said, “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”  (Mark 12:7)   This nonprofit organization (and he called it such) follows strict guidelines and codes when building their “Bethels”. They seek tax exempt status, which requires registration with the government.  They are in essence, under the management of the government by following certain regulations.  This is the crux of the GB’s statement that “money has to be discussed” and “meets a response in all things” in this system.  Solomon’s temple and its building was not influenced by a government, yet when God’s people sinned, outside nations obtained dominion and power over His people, Jerusalem, and the temple.  
    Within this idolized nonprofit “spirit-directed organization”, God’s spiritual Temple has been dominated by a foreign nation – a “Gentile” take-over.  (1 Cor 3:16,17; Rev 11:1,2; Rev 13:4,7) Under the compulsion of God’s priests to remain silent, chained and branded by an organization of false doctrines, spiritual famine is pervasive; and a plague of corruption, disease and affliction of the heart, has come upon them and those in their company. (1 Kings 8:37-40; Ezek 14:3; Prov 23:6-8; Isa 29:7,8; Zech 10:2; Amos 8:11-13; Rev 2:9; 9:20; 13:7,16,17;16:2; 2 Thess 2:7-10) The congregations suffer in the spiritual sense; and in many areas of the world, the constant burden exists to give out of the few resources one has, expected contributions to the idol. 
    Citing John 14:23 was a very desperate choice to give credence to the leader’s decrees, because Jesus’ words in general, condemned accumulating worldly riches and storing up treasures on earth.
    Satan had offered Jesus earthly power, riches and authority over the “kingdoms of the world/earth”, but he rejected all of it. (Luke 4:5-7) He stated, “my kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36), so why would Jesus approve of men’s desires to establish his kingdom under his authority in this world, and attempt to put God’s name on it?  The Kingdom reign of Jesus Christ is one of “grace and truth”, far superior than any power, riches and authority this world has to offer. (John 1:14,17; Eph 1:19-21)
    Please consider the understanding of today’s spiritual Temple as being the anointed priesthood where God’s spirit dwells. Only His decrees are written on their hearts. (Deut 6:4-8; 2 Cor 6:16; John 14:23; Rom 5:5;2 Cor 3:3; Heb 10:16)  
    The anointed over the years have been taken captive by this Beast/organization. (Luke 22:31; 1 Pet 5:8; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 12:17) Those who have confronted it with truth in imitation of their Head, Jesus Christ, have faced persecution for their testimony of Jesus. (John 15:20; 16:2; 1 Pet 4:12,13; Rev 12:17;13:15; 6:9,11) The faithful “living stones”, made in the ‘image and likeness of God’, will bear the name of God and Jesus Christ in the Kingdom. (Rev 3:12) They and those who gather with them under Jesus' protection and care, will worship the Almighty Father in “spirit and truth”. (Gen 1:27; Matt 5:48; Col 3:10;Eph 5:7-10; Eph 4:24) (John 4:22-24)
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Daniel Chapter Eleven, verses 31-45 
    Armageddon 
    "Mankind" / "Son of Man" / "Man' of Lawlessness" - https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2

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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    With pretzels? 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    As I said before with scriptural proof, the thousand year reign of Christ is finished.  Correction, I gave you scriptural proof that the thousand years began when Jesus ascended into heaven.  I have only mentioned briefly why it is now over.  
    “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, and see, the new has come!”   2 Cor 5:17  Gal 6:15
    A “new creation” of both human and angel.
     “sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.  So it is written, The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.  The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. Like the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; like the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we will also bear the image of the man of heaven.”  1 Cor 15:44-49
     
     “Don't you yourselves know that you are God's temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?” 1 Cor 3:16
    The 144,000 are the Bride of Christ/Temple/Holy City – which comes down from heaven.
    Now, if the Bride is in Christ and Christ is in God through Holy Spirit, (John 17:22) and the “Holy City” is God’s Temple, how is the “Holy City” going to come down from heaven without the Bride and Christ?  It isn’t a literal building, but is the Holy Spirit within the new creation/Temple.  How will God “dwell” among mankind if not through his Temple?  Rev 3:12
     “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.   ”  Rev 21:2,3
    Can you see it?  Can you see this ‘mobile’ Temple in the sealed anointed ones?  
    “For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.”  1 Cor 3:9
    “And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.”  Rev 5:0
    “Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.  And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”  Acts 1:9-11
    “Now Jacob went out from Beersheba and went toward Haran. 11 So he came to a certain place and stayed there all night, because the sun had set. And he took one of the stones of that place and put it at his head, and he lay down in that place to sleep. 12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.  Gen 28:10-12
    “And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”  John 1:51
    There is no descending in heaven, is there?  Where would Jesus be descending to with his angels/messengers (Mal 2:7), if not to earth?
    Jesus received two “births”, one of flesh, one from God.  So, too, do those within his Body.  John 3:6; Col 2:9  He is the Son of Man, and the Son of God. Matt 12:8; Mark 8:29; 9:7
    Jesus inherits the earth; he shares it firstly, with the “firstborn” and then the rest of God’s children. Gen 28:12-14; Ps 37:11,29  If the earth is Christ’s inheritance, should he not be allowed to enjoy it and walk among what he created with God?
    "Heaven must receive him until the time of the restoration of all things, which God spoke about through his holy prophets from the beginning.”  Acts 3:21
    “Again, when he brings his firstborn into the world, he says, And let all God's angels worship him.”  Heb 1:6
     
     
    I DID NOT MEAN TO "LIKE" MY OWN POST!!!  HOW DO I REMOVE IT?
    Since I get Librarian's hint, I'll just edit the existing one.
    @Arauna  Revelation is full of symbolism – the “thousand years” are also symbolic.  It is a time of each anointed one within their lifetime successfully conquering Satan.  Rev 2:26,27  It ends with the outbreak of Armageddon and Satan’s total destruction.  During Satan’s final test, they must submit to Christ’s offer to redeem from sin.  Rev 13:7,10; 3:18 
     For those faithful “with a little” during their lifetime, they inherit God’s Kingdom.  Matt 5;20,21; Luke 19:17; Rev 5:10; Dan 7:27
    There is only one Great Day of God the Almighty.  Rom 9:28; 1 Cor 15:24-28
     You said, What is a spiritual body and when does it get immortality?  
    Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom, as you say.  But, the faithful anointed become the “imperishable seed” through the anointing, while still on the earth.
     “because you have been born again—not of perishable seed but of imperishable—through the living and enduring word of God.”  1 Pet 1:23  (James 1:18)
    Even in the flesh, if they remain in Christ, they are no longer the perishable seed; they have been given the promise of eternal life. "Perishable" is the result of harboring sin in their heart.  Death has no hold on those who reject sin. But, their faithfulness in resisting sin must continue throughout their entire life, otherwise they lose the given spirit of eternal life.  Rom 12:6; James 2:17,14,16
    “For this corruptible body must be clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body must be clothed with immortality.   When this corruptible body is clothed with incorruptibility, and this mortal body is clothed with immortality, then the saying that is written will take place:
    Death has been swallowed up in victory.
     Where, death, is your victory?
    Where, death, is your sting?  1 Cor 15:53-55
    The “mystery” of the new creation is both human without corruptibility, and spirit/ immortality – “We will not all fall asleep, but we will all be changed,  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.”  1 Cor 15:51
    Not only are the anointed faced with conquering death through sin, but also those who by putting their unwavering faith in Christ, receive the second resurrection. Their relationship with God must be formatted according to his will, which includes recognizing his arrangement of the priesthood.  2 Cor 5:20; Matt 10:42; Mark 9:37; John 7:17; 1 Tim 4:6
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    Don't mean to confuse the issue; I was agreeing with you that the NIV translation was different than the NWT...you said,
    compare with this translation; "For the wages of sin is death, NIV) not the same? Â 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    Nope, it's not the same. One word - "pay" - created a lie and another delusion.  "Wages" means pay; in this case, the pay of sin.  The Wt. used this definition twice to twist its meaning.  
    We can be physically alive yet considered dead in God's eyes.  
    “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,  in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,  among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.” Eph 2:1-3
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Dear BroRando, you live in a land of unreality. 
    “Governing body”, eight men who “govern” - as governors would govern a state.  How is that done?  What power do they have?
    "Govern" from Merriam Webster:
    1a: to exercise continuous sovereign authority over especially : to control and direct the making and administration of policy in
    The country was governed by a king.
    b: to rule without sovereign power and usually without having the authority to determine basic policy (interesting!)
    2aarchaic : MANIPULATE
    b: to control the speed of (a machine) especially by automatic means
    3a: to control, direct, or strongly influence the actions and conduct of
    b: to exert a determining or guiding influence in or over
    income must govern expenditure
    to hold in check : RESTRAIN
    was told to govern her emotions
    4: to require (a word) to be in a certain case
    5: to serve as a precedent or deciding principle for customs that govern human decisions
    Intransitive verb
    1: to prevail or have decisive influence : CONTROL
    In all situations allow reason to govern.
    2: to exercise authority
     
    MANIPULATE, RESTRAIN, CONTROL
    These words define the governing leaders. 
    If Jesus is our leader, shouldn’t Jesus Christ take precedence in our lives? Shouldn’t his teachings “rule” our lives above and beyond the governing rulership of men?  Is it not true that these men set decrees outside of the Bible, that “govern human decisions”?  Yes! A. Morris admits to this!
    When we speak Christ’s truth – TRUTH – Wt’s “governors” exercise their assumed sovereign power of authority, and direct those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their leader, to be spiritually “killed” – disfellowshipped.  (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:11,12,15)
    You will know when you are on the side of truth, when you experience the same.  
    “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves. 17 Beware of them, because they will hand you over to local courts(judicial committees)  and flog you in their synagogues – (“congregations”). 18 You will even be brought before governors and kings because of me, to bear witness to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they hand you over, don’t worry about how or what you are to speak. For you will be given what to say at that hour, 20 because it isn’t you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is speaking through you.
    21 “Brother will betray brother to death - disfellowshipped, and a father his child. Children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house ‘Beelzebul,’ how much more the members of his household!”  Matt 10:25-13
     “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
    So you see, your governing body leaders have put themselves above Jesus Christ through their judgment against Jesus’ disciples. (Luke 22:24-27)  We have another spiritual fulfillment of what took place under the corrupt rule of the Pharisees.  Those part of the anointed Body of Christ must follow the same path that Jesus took - persecution from their own people. (John 15:20)  If they remain where you are, they are the foolish virgins buying their "oil"/spirit/food from wolves in sheep's clothing, a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; Acts 20:29; Rev 13:11,12)
     I answer only to the Father and the Son.  (Gal 1:10)
     
     
    Should we obey men?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  
    When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)
      1 Cor 10:21
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Dear BroRando, you live in a land of unreality. 
    “Governing body”, eight men who “govern” - as governors would govern a state.  How is that done?  What power do they have?
    "Govern" from Merriam Webster:
    1a: to exercise continuous sovereign authority over especially : to control and direct the making and administration of policy in
    The country was governed by a king.
    b: to rule without sovereign power and usually without having the authority to determine basic policy (interesting!)
    2aarchaic : MANIPULATE
    b: to control the speed of (a machine) especially by automatic means
    3a: to control, direct, or strongly influence the actions and conduct of
    b: to exert a determining or guiding influence in or over
    income must govern expenditure
    to hold in check : RESTRAIN
    was told to govern her emotions
    4: to require (a word) to be in a certain case
    5: to serve as a precedent or deciding principle for customs that govern human decisions
    Intransitive verb
    1: to prevail or have decisive influence : CONTROL
    In all situations allow reason to govern.
    2: to exercise authority
     
    MANIPULATE, RESTRAIN, CONTROL
    These words define the governing leaders. 
    If Jesus is our leader, shouldn’t Jesus Christ take precedence in our lives? Shouldn’t his teachings “rule” our lives above and beyond the governing rulership of men?  Is it not true that these men set decrees outside of the Bible, that “govern human decisions”?  Yes! A. Morris admits to this!
    When we speak Christ’s truth – TRUTH – Wt’s “governors” exercise their assumed sovereign power of authority, and direct those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their leader, to be spiritually “killed” – disfellowshipped.  (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:11,12,15)
    You will know when you are on the side of truth, when you experience the same.  
    “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves. 17 Beware of them, because they will hand you over to local courts(judicial committees)  and flog you in their synagogues – (“congregations”). 18 You will even be brought before governors and kings because of me, to bear witness to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they hand you over, don’t worry about how or what you are to speak. For you will be given what to say at that hour, 20 because it isn’t you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is speaking through you.
    21 “Brother will betray brother to death - disfellowshipped, and a father his child. Children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house ‘Beelzebul,’ how much more the members of his household!”  Matt 10:25-13
     “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
    So you see, your governing body leaders have put themselves above Jesus Christ through their judgment against Jesus’ disciples. (Luke 22:24-27)  We have another spiritual fulfillment of what took place under the corrupt rule of the Pharisees.  Those part of the anointed Body of Christ must follow the same path that Jesus took - persecution from their own people. (John 15:20)  If they remain where you are, they are the foolish virgins buying their "oil"/spirit/food from wolves in sheep's clothing, a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; Acts 20:29; Rev 13:11,12)
     I answer only to the Father and the Son.  (Gal 1:10)
     
     
    Should we obey men?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Dear BroRando, you live in a land of unreality. 
    “Governing body”, eight men who “govern” - as governors would govern a state.  How is that done?  What power do they have?
    "Govern" from Merriam Webster:
    1a: to exercise continuous sovereign authority over especially : to control and direct the making and administration of policy in
    The country was governed by a king.
    b: to rule without sovereign power and usually without having the authority to determine basic policy (interesting!)
    2aarchaic : MANIPULATE
    b: to control the speed of (a machine) especially by automatic means
    3a: to control, direct, or strongly influence the actions and conduct of
    b: to exert a determining or guiding influence in or over
    income must govern expenditure
    to hold in check : RESTRAIN
    was told to govern her emotions
    4: to require (a word) to be in a certain case
    5: to serve as a precedent or deciding principle for customs that govern human decisions
    Intransitive verb
    1: to prevail or have decisive influence : CONTROL
    In all situations allow reason to govern.
    2: to exercise authority
     
    MANIPULATE, RESTRAIN, CONTROL
    These words define the governing leaders. 
    If Jesus is our leader, shouldn’t Jesus Christ take precedence in our lives? Shouldn’t his teachings “rule” our lives above and beyond the governing rulership of men?  Is it not true that these men set decrees outside of the Bible, that “govern human decisions”?  Yes! A. Morris admits to this!
    When we speak Christ’s truth – TRUTH – Wt’s “governors” exercise their assumed sovereign power of authority, and direct those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their leader, to be spiritually “killed” – disfellowshipped.  (John 16:2; Rev 11:1-3,7; 13:11,12,15)
    You will know when you are on the side of truth, when you experience the same.  
    “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves. 17 Beware of them, because they will hand you over to local courts(judicial committees)  and flog you in their synagogues – (“congregations”). 18 You will even be brought before governors and kings because of me, to bear witness to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they hand you over, don’t worry about how or what you are to speak. For you will be given what to say at that hour, 20 because it isn’t you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father is speaking through you.
    21 “Brother will betray brother to death - disfellowshipped, and a father his child. Children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. For truly I tell you, you will not have gone through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. 24 A disciple is not above his teacher, or a slave above his master. 25 It is enough for a disciple to become like his teacher and a slave like his master. If they called the head of the house ‘Beelzebul,’ how much more the members of his household!”  Matt 10:25-13
     “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
    So you see, your governing body leaders have put themselves above Jesus Christ through their judgment against Jesus’ disciples. (Luke 22:24-27)  We have another spiritual fulfillment of what took place under the corrupt rule of the Pharisees.  Those part of the anointed Body of Christ must follow the same path that Jesus took - persecution from their own people. (John 15:20)  If they remain where you are, they are the foolish virgins buying their "oil"/spirit/food from wolves in sheep's clothing, a wicked slave.  (Matt 24:48-51; Acts 20:29; Rev 13:11,12)
     I answer only to the Father and the Son.  (Gal 1:10)
     
     
    Should we obey men?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)
    "Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19
    Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”
    But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37
     “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21
    "In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17
    “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5
    “For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)
    "Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19
    Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”
    But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37
     “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21
    "In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17
    “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5
    “For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Does this mean that there are "imposters" in the organization as well, who don't share your love for 1914?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Your leader did say, "this is war" - the war of truth against lies. And he seemed very troubled by it, as if he is on the losing side.   (Eph 6:10-17; Rev 12:7)
    "Indeed, it is necessary that there be factions among you, so that those who are approved may be recognized among you."  1 Cor 11:19
    Matt 18:7 – “ Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! (1914 is one of the big ones.  2 Thess 2:1,2)  Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!”
    But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” Matt 12:36,37
     “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love it will eat its fruit.”  Prov 18:21
    "In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.”  Matt 7:17
    “The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. (1914) 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.”  2 Cor 10:4,5
    “For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”  Heb 4:12
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Does this mean that there are "imposters" in the organization as well, who don't share your love for 1914?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in 2034 and its significance...   
    There are so many forms of abuse in the organization.  Whatever was taught and dismissed, as errors in teachings, mislead people through spiritual abuse. They carry a full doctrine of lies and burden the people down with them, whether they know it or not. (Matt 11:28-30; Luke 11:46; Col 2:20-23)   Whatever physical pain and suffering is caused by the organization's sweeping sins under the rug, is emotional and physical abuse.  It's so easy for JWs to ignore the pains of others.  They cannot fathom that years of suffering by victims of abuse, have gone by in their organization - abuse committed to their own "brothers and sisters"; who, when they have had enough, leave, and are then,shunned.    It is a haven of "lawlessness", the transgressing of Christ's word, in many ways.
     "Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold." 
    "Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves."  Phil 2:34
    How can they do this, when their leaders set the example of self-gratification?
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Does this mean that there are "imposters" in the organization as well, who don't share your love for 1914?  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  
    When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)
      1 Cor 10:21
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Who was in charge of offering sacrifices in the early temple arrangement?
    "The Levitical priests will never fail to have a man always before me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices."  Jer 33:18
    "you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    The anointed priests of the spiritual Temple of God (1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) are responsible for the "daily sacrifice" of praise.  Look in your Insight Book, which explains the spiritual Temple, and who comprise it.  Forget what G. Loesch has said, that every JW comprises the Temple.  That is a ploy to hide the "man of lawlessness" within the organization.  The anointed have been cut off from offering their individual "sacrifices of praise" in truth, by your wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:5-7)  Their hired henchmen/elder body/"Gentiles have replaced the priesthood. (Rev 11:1,2) THAT is how the constant feature has been removed.   Your downfall is taking literal time periods and trying to make them fit - literally.  The dates in the time of Jesus Christ are symbolic.  (1 Cor 15:46)
    Dan.9:26 reads:
    "And after the sixty-two weeks, anointed shall be cut off (Rev 13:7,17) and shall have nothing for himself" (Isa 50:2; 63:4,5; Mal 2:7; Isa 41:28) (Isa 58:12; Ezek 13:5; 22:30; Isa 63:3; Rev 19:15).
    "And the people of the prince who is to come (2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood (Isa 28:15; Rev 12:15; 9:2), and to the end there shall be war (Rev 12:7; Gen 3:15; Matt 24:6; Dan 11:36; Rev 17:14; 19:11,14; 16:13-16; 20:7,8).
    "Desolations are decreed."  (Hos 4:6; Mal 2:8; Ezek 22:26; Dan 11:31; Rev 13:15,17,18; 12:2; 9:3-6,9-11) 
    Constant Feature
    You must not have heard A. Morris's talk on money.  According to him, God and Jesus only love you if you give to the organization.  He quoted John 14:23, and said:
    "God loves people who love to give. And that’s true.  So we want J. to love us.."
    "but if we say we love Jesus, and were not like Christendom with this proclamation for their love for Jesus, they really don’t even know the real Jesus, frankly till you get an accurate knowledge of the truth.  But if we’re in the truth, dedicated baptized servants of him, if we really love him we’re gonna observe his word.  Now that means not just carrying out the kingdom putting our time and energy into it, it also means money"
    Nowhere in Jesus' teachings, did he say to put value on money, but to give to the poor - those in need. Apparently, that excludes the GB and all leaders of the organization - leaches who suck the poor dry.   
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    HOW will the United Nations find all of the anointed priests in the organization and remove the "constant feature", their "daily sacrifices" that a priest is to carry out?
     "you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."  1 Pet 2:5
    1 Cor 3:16,17 - "Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?  17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and that is what you are."
    How is the temple/priesthood destroyed?  Only by those who know where the anointed are found.  
    "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."  Eph 2:20-22
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  
    When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)
      1 Cor 10:21
  23. Like
    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Who was in charge of offering sacrifices in the early temple arrangement?
    "The Levitical priests will never fail to have a man always before me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to make sacrifices."  Jer 33:18
    "you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    The anointed priests of the spiritual Temple of God (1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22) are responsible for the "daily sacrifice" of praise.  Look in your Insight Book, which explains the spiritual Temple, and who comprise it.  Forget what G. Loesch has said, that every JW comprises the Temple.  That is a ploy to hide the "man of lawlessness" within the organization.  The anointed have been cut off from offering their individual "sacrifices of praise" in truth, by your wicked slave. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:5-7)  Their hired henchmen/elder body/"Gentiles have replaced the priesthood. (Rev 11:1,2) THAT is how the constant feature has been removed.   Your downfall is taking literal time periods and trying to make them fit - literally.  The dates in the time of Jesus Christ are symbolic.  (1 Cor 15:46)
    Dan.9:26 reads:
    "And after the sixty-two weeks, anointed shall be cut off (Rev 13:7,17) and shall have nothing for himself" (Isa 50:2; 63:4,5; Mal 2:7; Isa 41:28) (Isa 58:12; Ezek 13:5; 22:30; Isa 63:3; Rev 19:15).
    "And the people of the prince who is to come (2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood (Isa 28:15; Rev 12:15; 9:2), and to the end there shall be war (Rev 12:7; Gen 3:15; Matt 24:6; Dan 11:36; Rev 17:14; 19:11,14; 16:13-16; 20:7,8).
    "Desolations are decreed."  (Hos 4:6; Mal 2:8; Ezek 22:26; Dan 11:31; Rev 13:15,17,18; 12:2; 9:3-6,9-11) 
    Constant Feature
    You must not have heard A. Morris's talk on money.  According to him, God and Jesus only love you if you give to the organization.  He quoted John 14:23, and said:
    "God loves people who love to give. And that’s true.  So we want J. to love us.."
    "but if we say we love Jesus, and were not like Christendom with this proclamation for their love for Jesus, they really don’t even know the real Jesus, frankly till you get an accurate knowledge of the truth.  But if we’re in the truth, dedicated baptized servants of him, if we really love him we’re gonna observe his word.  Now that means not just carrying out the kingdom putting our time and energy into it, it also means money"
    Nowhere in Jesus' teachings, did he say to put value on money, but to give to the poor - those in need. Apparently, that excludes the GB and all leaders of the organization - leaches who suck the poor dry.   
  24. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    In secret you can, or with those whom you hope you can trust. (Micah 7:5,6) I see Jws on here in disagreement with the 1914 doctrine. Yet, they are still considered brothers.  It is a disfellowshipping factor, if one declares before the elder body that it is a lie.  As soon as one speaks up stating why it's a lie, they are cut off from the organization.  In this case, they are not considered a brother.  Hypocrisy is practiced not only among the leaders, but among JWs who say one thing in private and bury it before those in power.  If there is solid evidence that a lie is being taught, it is in the interests of all to bring that evidence to the table.  Otherwise, it shows the fear of men.  Unity should not compromise truth.  
    When following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ, we put off falsehoods, and speak truth to our neighbor.  (Ps 15:2,3)  Otherwise one's heart has not made the distinction between  what is good and what is bad, - and believing as we stand before God in judgment, that we are among the righteous.   (John 7:18; Eph 4:25; Mal 3:18)
      1 Cor 10:21
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in 2034 and its significance...   
    What a wicked accusation, to say that I stand against God.  I love Almighty God and His son Jesus Christ.
    But your problem is clearly seen here. You do not know the difference between Almighty God, and, the Watchtower / JW Org.  Unfortunately for you it shows where your loyalty lies. It would appear that your love is for the JW Org, not for God or Christ. 
    It brings us back to this; JWs have been brainwashed into thinking that a person can only be a True Christian if that person is a JW.  This is GB teachings. Back to the old record of : "Only JWs will be saved at Armageddon", and JWs believe it. 
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