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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
We can also turn this around to say, God does not warn the householder of hidden pitfalls and intentions of the one - (shoot up the ladder to the leaders) - they are studying the Bible with.
But really, God did warn us through His Word, we just didn't take note at the right time. (Jer 14:14; Ezek 13:1-7; Matt 7:15-18; 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1,2)
"You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.
6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.
8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone." 2 Tim 3:1-8
So, of course, organized religion would attract not only the naïve, but the traitors; who carry out the desires of deceitful wicked rulers - and the desires of their own wicked heart.
The Sign of the End
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
We can also turn this around to say, God does not warn the householder of hidden pitfalls and intentions of the one - (shoot up the ladder to the leaders) - they are studying the Bible with.
But really, God did warn us through His Word, we just didn't take note at the right time. (Jer 14:14; Ezek 13:1-7; Matt 7:15-18; 24:24,25; 1 John 4:1; 1 Tim 4:1,2)
"You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time. 2 People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy, 3 and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good. 4 They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.
6 Some of these men go into homes and mislead weak-minded women who are burdened with sins and led by all kinds of desires. 7 These women are always studying but are never able to recognize the truth.
8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone." 2 Tim 3:1-8
So, of course, organized religion would attract not only the naïve, but the traitors; who carry out the desires of deceitful wicked rulers - and the desires of their own wicked heart.
The Sign of the End
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
From your explanation I would conclude that then the problem is in those JWs who conduct a Bible study with an “interested pedophile,” and later in JW elders who approve of such a candidate to be baptized as a JW.
It follows from all this that, the JW belief as"the angels guide and supervise their preaching" and thus the biblical teaching on the individual level of the future candidate, is not useful. Or you have such impression how angels are not helpful in JW preaching service?
Also, prayer at the beginning and end of Bible study does not reach God, because He does not warn them (JW members) of the hidden pitfalls and hidden intentions of the one with whom they study the Bible.
JW members believe that God and the Holy Spirit lead/guide this “imperfect” Organization that claims to be the only true Christian congregation. Observers would rightly expect the CSA plague not to be in such proportions at the JW Church. Observers would rightly expect, too, that JW members and especially leaders/elders in JW assemblies be prepared for all, "be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one". But, sadly, JW members and elders failed. They failed the exam/the test.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
Usually the disfellowshipped one is said to be "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". If these people are the ONLY ones in the world that will receive salvation, as it is basically taught, then everyone else couldn't be considered a Christian right? They perceive that any who leave, have no life with God, no possibility to be redeemed unless they return.
w15 4/15 p. 30-31 puts it like this: "Likewise, disfellowshipped ones who are no longer members of the Christian congregation—their spiritual family—may come to realize what they have lost. The bitter fruits of their sinful course, together with the memories of happier days when they enjoyed a good relationship with Jehovah and his people, could bring them to their senses."
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
When elders are told to remove their personal notes from files regarding child abuse, and to destroy them, that is a form of denial.
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
Usually the disfellowshipped one is said to be "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses". If these people are the ONLY ones in the world that will receive salvation, as it is basically taught, then everyone else couldn't be considered a Christian right? They perceive that any who leave, have no life with God, no possibility to be redeemed unless they return.
w15 4/15 p. 30-31 puts it like this: "Likewise, disfellowshipped ones who are no longer members of the Christian congregation—their spiritual family—may come to realize what they have lost. The bitter fruits of their sinful course, together with the memories of happier days when they enjoyed a good relationship with Jehovah and his people, could bring them to their senses."
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
There are some good historical quotes on jwfacts from past Watchtower mags and books, on the act of disfellowshipping.
Such as..
"Down in Goa the papers have carried notices that anyone having various books by Judge Rutherford would be excommunicated. What a bunch of mean and unmanly scallywags! Remember the blind man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, that when the man told the religious fellows where to get off they excommunicated him (John 9; 34, margin), and his parents before that had feared being put out of the synagogue by the "Jews". Isn't that the same cowardly action of the clergy in these days towards those who desire to have their eyes open and to "see"? "We'll excommunicate you!"" Consolation 1937 Nov 17 p.5
"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301"
Interesting that they say this is a practice of "Satan's organization". (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,10,11,12,15)
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
There are some good historical quotes on jwfacts from past Watchtower mags and books, on the act of disfellowshipping.
Such as..
"Down in Goa the papers have carried notices that anyone having various books by Judge Rutherford would be excommunicated. What a bunch of mean and unmanly scallywags! Remember the blind man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, that when the man told the religious fellows where to get off they excommunicated him (John 9; 34, margin), and his parents before that had feared being put out of the synagogue by the "Jews". Isn't that the same cowardly action of the clergy in these days towards those who desire to have their eyes open and to "see"? "We'll excommunicate you!"" Consolation 1937 Nov 17 p.5
"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301"
Interesting that they say this is a practice of "Satan's organization". (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,10,11,12,15)
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Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
There are some good historical quotes on jwfacts from past Watchtower mags and books, on the act of disfellowshipping.
Such as..
"Down in Goa the papers have carried notices that anyone having various books by Judge Rutherford would be excommunicated. What a bunch of mean and unmanly scallywags! Remember the blind man who was healed at the pool of Siloam, that when the man told the religious fellows where to get off they excommunicated him (John 9; 34, margin), and his parents before that had feared being put out of the synagogue by the "Jews". Isn't that the same cowardly action of the clergy in these days towards those who desire to have their eyes open and to "see"? "We'll excommunicate you!"" Consolation 1937 Nov 17 p.5
"Satan's organization sails under the high-sounding name of "Christendom". It boasts of a membership of over 500,000,000 persons. Its members are in bondage to creeds, customs, rites and ceremonies; they dare not disown these or criticize or expose them. To do so would bring down on their heads taunts, reproaches, disfellowship and persecution. Many thousands of the Lords people are held in these denominations as prisoners, afraid to express their disapproval of the creeds, methods and customs of the organization. Watchtower 1930 Oct 1 p.301"
Interesting that they say this is a practice of "Satan's organization". (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,10,11,12,15)
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Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Can we talk sensibly about Disfellowshipping and shunning.
https://jw.support/disfellowshipping/ This is interesting reading.
Lets start from those early Christians in the 1st century. When did they become known as Christians ? Was it whilst Jesus was still alive or was it after his resurrection ?
Who was it that called those early 'disciples' Christians ? Did they call themselves by that name ?
And now an important question. Did any human have the authority to tell another human, "You are no longer a Christian".
Was being a 1st century Christian, being a part of a human Organisation ? So was it possible to turn a person out from it ?
Did a 1st century person need permission to preach the word of God ?
At this point we should remember the account whereby the disciples complained to Jesus that some 'outsiders' were preaching and healing in the name of Christ.
Mark 9:38-41 Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us Jesus allowed others to do good deeds in His name. Just the opposite of disfellowshipping or shunning. So, when the JW Org / Elders disfellowship someone, what exactly are they disfellowshipping them from ? What scriptures and what authority do those Elders use to give themselves permission to disfellowship someone ? Do the Elders presume they have authority to judge a person and to say that such a person in 'no longer a Christian' ? Do JWs presume that only they are Christians, therefore anyone who is not a JW cannot be a Christian ? Jesus used the Samaritan man as an example of a Non Jew that did the will of God by showing kindness / mercy to a Jew that needed help. Jesus was speaking to the Jews who at that time hated the Samaritans. They were almost 'at war' with each other. But Jesus was showing that a Non Jew could be pleasing to God. Unfortunately the true meaning of that parable has been lost because people do not understand the hatred that was there. BUT, there is a message there for JWs. If only JWs would seek it and find it. So what about a person that leaves the JW org ? In the eyes of the GB, Elders et al, a congregant that leaves the Org is a deliberate sinner. So does the GB / leaders / Elders et al, think that the congregant that has left, is automatically 'no longer a Christian' ? And what about the congregation memebers where one has left ? Do ALL the congregation really want to SHUN the one that has left ? Exactly what scriptures do congregation memebers use to give themselves reason to SHUN a person that has left the Org ? I've been reading Watchtower quotes which say that each congregant must make up their own mind through their own conscience, to SHUN or not. But what action would be taken against a congregant that did not SHUN someone that had left the Org ? I suppose an important question here would be. Do JWs here honestly think that every person that leaves the JW Org, is 'no longer a Christian' ? If that is so then it would seem that JWs believe that only the people in the JW Org are able to serve God. So then JWs become anti-'non-JWs'. That would be in line with the Jews being anti-Samaritan, whereas Jesus was not. -
Witness reacted to Matthew9969 in Inside the brutal world of the Jehovah’s Witnesses
They will say it's persecution by Satan.
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in SEPTEMBER 10 2021.......... Jehovah's Witnesses join redress scheme
We need to wait to see if GB will look for “holes in the law” and then try to avoid or delay meeting its obligations to victims. You know, maybe GB is waging a "theocratic war" and has maneuvers on the "battlefield."
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Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in SEPTEMBER 10 2021.......... Jehovah's Witnesses join redress scheme
https://www.youngwitness.com.au/story/7424446/jehovahs-witnesses-join-redress-scheme/
The Jehovah's Witnesses has joined Australia's national redress scheme for child sexual abuse survivors under threat of financial penalties.
It is one of 34 institutions signing up following rules brought in by the federal government to withhold funding from and strip the charity status of groups refusing to join.
The Jehovah's Witnesses was initially named and shamed for holding out.
It flagged its intention to join the scheme in March and has now formally done so.
The other institutions include Tennis Australia, St John Ambulance Australia Queensland, Ipswich Girl's Grammar School, Youth Off the Streets and Scripture Union Tasmania.
Social Services Minister Anne Ruston says this means a total of 37 redress applications can be processed.
"It is clear that the powerful financial, reputational and legislative levers the commonwealth has used have been successful at ensuring institutions understand and recognise their moral obligation to survivors," she said.
"We are also working hard to make sure that every institution with a history of working with young people joins the scheme no matter when a survivor comes forward to access redress."
To date, commonwealth, state and territory governments alongside 526 non-government institutions are in the scheme.
As of last Friday, 11,835 applications had been received and 6208 payments made totalling more than $529.3 million.
It shows just what the GB will do for money.
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
So, we could say that it is a matter of decision, In this case by JW elders, how much they want to be principled. The three Jews from the book of Daniel were so principled that they were thrown into the furnace of fire. Some are principled and refuse blood transfusions or military service. But WTJWorg lawyers are the ones asking the court that JW elders should have the same status as Catholic priests. It is not the court that grants them that status (perhaps court try to understand and make comparison between payed and not-payed "ministers" . The JW elders invoke the right not to speak before the Court what a JW member has admitted to them.
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Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
When elders are told to remove their personal notes from files regarding child abuse, and to destroy them, that is a form of denial.
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
When elders are told to remove their personal notes from files regarding child abuse, and to destroy them, that is a form of denial.
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
Laws and regulations about issue is available to see and you said well.
Of course, when we speak about JW elders then it is notable to understand how we have to put clear picture on question; Do they, JW elders, clergy or not? If they are clergy then they have "right" to call themselves on Catholic Clergy privilege and ask for same "rights" as they do.
Is an elder in the JW congregation the same as a priest in the Catholic Church? Do they have the same role and obligations and status according to biblical principles? Do they belong to the same kind of hierarchy (Catholic hierarchy, "Apostolic" hierarchy) as WTJWorg lawyers have sought before the courts?
I guess someone gave him that information and someone "forbade" him to use it. Or he got them on the condition that he shouldn’t use them. The source (WTJWorg) of the information would have the right to publish that information for the sake of “truth and justice”. But that wouldn't be of interest to the WTJWorg organization, would it? That would distort the image of a "spiritual paradise."
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
That's a real tough one for a people who put their faith in the GB, faith in the elders to lead them, faith in their doctrines, and faith in the organization. How far can one's spiritual faith stretch, before nothing is left to "exercise" toward Jesus Christ and the Father?
Their term, "exercise faith" sounds a little mechanical, doesn't it? It sounds like work, and for JWs, it is almost impossible "exercising faith" toward Jesus Christ. It appears to be a mental exercise only, that really cannot reach the heart. If it did, they would listen to what the scriptures are telling them, and they would leave the organization. Their heart would motivate them to do what Jesus tells them.
Their Bible uses this term "exercise faith" in John 3:18; 14:1; 2 Cor 4:13; John 7:5; 16:9; Rom 10:4,10; Mark 5:36; John 11:26; 6:29; 1 Pet 2:6; John 6:40; 1:12; 11:25; Gal 3:22; Rom 10:9...and the list goes on.
The ESV, NKJV, NIV, LEB and I'm sure many more, use "believe/s", which indicates action that can reach the heart.
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you". This is accomplished through God's Word...
Of course. I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles. You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way. They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization". They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man. They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”. How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives. (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”. 1 Thess 5:3
Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
and inscribe it on a scroll;
it will be for the days to come,
a witness forever and ever.
9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
10They say to the seers,
“Stop seeing visions!”
and to the prophets,
“Do not prophesy to us the truth!
Speak to us pleasant words;
prophesy illusions.
11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
“Because you have rejected this message,
trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
a bulge in a high wall,
whose collapse will come suddenly—
in an instant!
14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
shattered so that no fragment can be found.
Not a shard will be found in the dust
large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
or to skim the water from a cistern.”
15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
“By repentance and rest
you would be saved;
your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
but you were not willing.” Isa 30
Sleeping
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
An exercise in futility.
"Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward." Job 15:31
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Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
One also might forget that Mormonism has a problem.
The woman expressed, “As we have said in other investigations, what marks religious organisations out from other institutions is the explicit purpose they have in teaching right from wrong; the moral turpitude of any failing by them in the prevention of, or response to, child sexual abuse is therefore heightened.
If someone on the outside needs to remind a religion of their “moral” obligations, then, as is the case in the Wt., the religion is practicing immoral responses in the case of CSA.
What sets this organization apart from all other religions? Nothing, all established religions have their roots in the world of immorality and corruption. But the Wt. is also committing spiritual immorality as a holding ground to trample, persecute and destroy the anointed priesthood in Christ..and any who have joined them. (Matt 24:15,16,24; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2, ,5-7, 11,12,15; 16:13-16; 12:3,4,15,17)
Jesus purposefully said, worship that is approved by the Father is in “spirit and truth”, not through any earthly “mountainlike organization”. (John 4:21-24) He began His Temple arrangement/“organization” of anointed “living stones” in the first century. (John 2:19-21; Eph 4:4-6; 2:20-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) And it will be the “mountain”/spiritual organization that will rise above all corruption and immorality. Isa 2:1-4; Zech 4:6,7) The greatest test against these “stones” is through an earthly organization established by men, that convinces millions that it belongs to God. How can that be, when in this document there are two pages directed to the failures of the CCJW to practice morality? In this case, the Wt. is certainly “like the nations”. Ezek 20:32
It is time to separate from the corruption and immorality of the Wt. Rev 18:4-8
"For on My holy mountain, the high mountain of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, there the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land. There I will accept them and will require your offerings and choice gifts, along with all your holy sacrifices.
41When I bring you from the peoples and gather you from the lands to which you have been scattered, I will accept you as a pleasing aroma. And I will show My holiness through you in the sight of the nations. 42Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I bring you into the land of Israel, the land that I swore to give your fathers.
43There you will remember your ways and all the deeds with which you have defiled yourselves, and you will loathe yourselves for all the evils you have done. 44Then you will know, O house of Israel, that I am the LORD, when I have dealt with you for the sake of My name and not according to your wicked ways and corrupt acts, declares the Lord GOD.” Ezek 20:40-44
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
One also might forget that Mormonism has a problem.
The woman expressed, “As we have said in other investigations, what marks religious organisations out from other institutions is the explicit purpose they have in teaching right from wrong; the moral turpitude of any failing by them in the prevention of, or response to, child sexual abuse is therefore heightened.
If someone on the outside needs to remind a religion of their “moral” obligations, then, as is the case in the Wt., the religion is practicing immoral responses in the case of CSA.
What sets this organization apart from all other religions? Nothing, all established religions have their roots in the world of immorality and corruption. But the Wt. is also committing spiritual immorality as a holding ground to trample, persecute and destroy the anointed priesthood in Christ..and any who have joined them. (Matt 24:15,16,24; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:1,2, ,5-7, 11,12,15; 16:13-16; 12:3,4,15,17)
Jesus purposefully said, worship that is approved by the Father is in “spirit and truth”, not through any earthly “mountainlike organization”. (John 4:21-24) He began His Temple arrangement/“organization” of anointed “living stones” in the first century. (John 2:19-21; Eph 4:4-6; 2:20-22; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17) And it will be the “mountain”/spiritual organization that will rise above all corruption and immorality. Isa 2:1-4; Zech 4:6,7) The greatest test against these “stones” is through an earthly organization established by men, that convinces millions that it belongs to God. How can that be, when in this document there are two pages directed to the failures of the CCJW to practice morality? In this case, the Wt. is certainly “like the nations”. Ezek 20:32
It is time to separate from the corruption and immorality of the Wt. Rev 18:4-8
"For on My holy mountain, the high mountain of Israel, declares the Lord GOD, there the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land. There I will accept them and will require your offerings and choice gifts, along with all your holy sacrifices.
41When I bring you from the peoples and gather you from the lands to which you have been scattered, I will accept you as a pleasing aroma. And I will show My holiness through you in the sight of the nations. 42Then you will know that I am the LORD, when I bring you into the land of Israel, the land that I swore to give your fathers.
43There you will remember your ways and all the deeds with which you have defiled yourselves, and you will loathe yourselves for all the evils you have done. 44Then you will know, O house of Israel, that I am the LORD, when I have dealt with you for the sake of My name and not according to your wicked ways and corrupt acts, declares the Lord GOD.” Ezek 20:40-44
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Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Child sexual abuse has been found in most major UK religions
Creating, collecting, using and storing records / documentation is not a problem in itself. The problem arises when one wants to deny the existence of documents. When it is used incorrectly or prohibits the use of documentation (public review or legal inspection of records according to regulations and legal acts). When it is not said how much documentation there is and what their content is. When it is not said what is the purpose of collecting and creating documents, and what is the future of records. And similar.
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Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in By whose order are JW's being persecuted around the world?
Remember when Mark Sanderson declared in a video, that Russia is the "King of the North" when things were first heating up?
“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations* may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.” Ezek 38:14-16
Who needs to know when God is proved holy? Israel. Why does God allow this army to come against His people? It would be contradictive to say that it is just the will of the nations, to destroy an obedient Israel for no reason, and God allows this under those circumstances. I say this, because always, devastation to that nation only happened when they sinned. It only happened when they failed to give God exclusive devotion, and obey His laws.
Ezek 39:2 - " I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel.
7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the Lord am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign Lord. This is the day I have spoken of."
This is why Gog and/of Magog come against today's "Israel". They put their dedication in an organization built by men, who have a history of false doctrine. They have replaced the anointed priesthood with "Gentiles" sitting in the Temple of God. Num 18:7; 2 Chron 23:6,7; Dan 11:31,32,36; Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3)
The elder body "surrounds the saints", blaspheming God's Temple, and demands silence from his priests - a decree from a false prophet/Harlot. Rev 13:11,12
The elder body is the "king of the north". The GB/organization are Gog of Magog
So, Russia is a false "king of the north". Whatever nation may come against JWs, and whatever David Splane has to say about them, they are not the Gog of/and Magog to come against His people today. Splane is deceiving you. He hasn't shared all of the scriptures in Ezekiel with JWs.
Ezek 39:22-24 - "From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. 23 And the nations* will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them."
What happened in the past when God hid His face from His people? All sorts of suffering came upon them. (Micah 3:1-7) Today, it is happening both outside and inside the organization. Splane says, you shouldn't be afraid of "Gog of Magog". I say, you should be fearful enough for your eternal life, that you leave the sins of "Israel" behind. Rev 18:4-8
"When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations* in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
The "thousand years" were over, when the organization, a baited trap of a little truth, was born. (Ezek 38:10-12)
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Rev 13:5-7 - "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war with the saints and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."
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Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?
An exercise in futility.
"Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward." Job 15:31