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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    An exercise in futility.
    "Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward."  Job 15:31
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    An exercise in futility.
    "Let him not trust in futile things, deceiving himself, For futility will be his reward."  Job 15:31
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Well the Watchtower Leaders have been trying to move Armageddon since the late 1800's but it hasn't worked. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    That's a real tough one for a people who put their faith in the GB, faith in the elders to lead them,  faith in their doctrines, and faith in the organization.  How far can one's spiritual faith stretch, before nothing is left to "exercise" toward Jesus Christ and the Father?
    Their term, "exercise faith" sounds a little mechanical, doesn't it?  It sounds like work, and for JWs, it is almost impossible "exercising faith" toward Jesus Christ. It appears to be a mental exercise only,  that really cannot reach the heart.  If it did, they would listen to what the scriptures are telling them, and they would leave the organization.  Their heart would motivate them to do what Jesus tells them.
    Their Bible uses this term "exercise faith" in John 3:18; 14:1; 2 Cor 4:13; John 7:5; 16:9; Rom 10:4,10; Mark 5:36; John 11:26; 6:29; 1 Pet 2:6; John 6:40; 1:12; 11:25; Gal 3:22; Rom 10:9...and the list goes on.
    The ESV, NKJV, NIV, LEB and I'm sure many more,  use "believe/s", which  indicates action that can reach the heart.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    That's a real tough one for a people who put their faith in the GB, faith in the elders to lead them,  faith in their doctrines, and faith in the organization.  How far can one's spiritual faith stretch, before nothing is left to "exercise" toward Jesus Christ and the Father?
    Their term, "exercise faith" sounds a little mechanical, doesn't it?  It sounds like work, and for JWs, it is almost impossible "exercising faith" toward Jesus Christ. It appears to be a mental exercise only,  that really cannot reach the heart.  If it did, they would listen to what the scriptures are telling them, and they would leave the organization.  Their heart would motivate them to do what Jesus tells them.
    Their Bible uses this term "exercise faith" in John 3:18; 14:1; 2 Cor 4:13; John 7:5; 16:9; Rom 10:4,10; Mark 5:36; John 11:26; 6:29; 1 Pet 2:6; John 6:40; 1:12; 11:25; Gal 3:22; Rom 10:9...and the list goes on.
    The ESV, NKJV, NIV, LEB and I'm sure many more,  use "believe/s", which  indicates action that can reach the heart.  
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The Sacred Field Ministry Stopped by a Bad Flu?   
    @Space MerchantYou believe there is no depth to the meaning of God's word, that Assyria, the "son of destruction" and its demise, cannot be projected to the father of destruction, Satan himself?   Read Ezek 28
    Jesus comes to "destroy" death - destruction, ruination, and the father of death - the Destroyer. 1 Cor 15:26  He has conquered death, and he will put an end to the destroyer through the condemnation of God's word, which is like "fire".  Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10
    Isa 33:1 - "Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee."
    "spoilest" - to ravage:—dead, destroy(-er), oppress, robber, spoil(-er), × utterly, (lay) waste.
    "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8
    "devour" - "drink down, swallow down/up, destroy"
    And what did Jesus say the "robber" did?
    "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."  John 10:10
    Judas Iscariot was the "son of destruction", the "man of lawlessness", a thief and a killer, just like his father.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Sacred Field Ministry Stopped by a Bad Flu?   
    @Space MerchantYou believe there is no depth to the meaning of God's word, that Assyria, the "son of destruction" and its demise, cannot be projected to the father of destruction, Satan himself?   Read Ezek 28
    Jesus comes to "destroy" death - destruction, ruination, and the father of death - the Destroyer. 1 Cor 15:26  He has conquered death, and he will put an end to the destroyer through the condemnation of God's word, which is like "fire".  Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10
    Isa 33:1 - "Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee."
    "spoilest" - to ravage:—dead, destroy(-er), oppress, robber, spoil(-er), × utterly, (lay) waste.
    "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" 1 Pet 5:8
    "devour" - "drink down, swallow down/up, destroy"
    And what did Jesus say the "robber" did?
    "The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."  John 10:10
    Judas Iscariot was the "son of destruction", the "man of lawlessness", a thief and a killer, just like his father.  
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Sacred Field Ministry Stopped by a Bad Flu?   
    Who do you defend, you and all JWs with you -  the one who brings life, or the one who causes ruin?
    Exod 12:23 – “When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.”
    The word for “destroyer” here, means “to corrupt, go to ruin, decay, pervert, to be rotted”.  This is exactly the opposite of what salvation (saving one’s life) in Jesus Christ who came from the Father, offers us. God’s Spirit in the Son, is the breath of LIFE.
    “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
    When God removes His protective spirit, the Destroyer steps in. He abandons us to the wicked choices we make.
    1 Cor 10 - 
    “But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
    Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us test Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.”
    As I've brought out, the meaning of destroyer in verse 10 is, “a ruiner, a venomous serpent”. 
    And as I have mentioned, we’re all aware of who the “venomous serpent” refers to.  (Gen 3:1)  Both Exod 12:23 and 1 Cor 10:10 show that the destroyer, the “ruiner”, in these accounts refer to Satan.
    “Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”  John 10:7-10
     Through deceit, the Destroyer and his ministers, have successfully convince millions of JWs throughout the years, that the Father and His Son are the destroyers of life. And, with great success, Satan has led God’s people into idolatry once again through their idol, "Jehovah's organization".  (2 Cor 11:4,13-15)  
    Jesus does not carry both the spirit of destruction and ruin, and the spirit of life.  That is what Paul warned us that would happen - "another Jesus" is being taught by you and the Wt. 
    Just wonderful, isn't it?  It is called, "confusion (by mixing)"  the  meaning of "Babylon", and it is described in Isa 5:20 - 
    "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"  
    You can worship a God and His Son that brings life that they have created, to ruin, if you like, but I will not.    I choose to be on the side of life.  Deceit is darkness and death and destruction and ruination...and it is Satan's playground.  That appears where your belief that God and Jesus are the destroyers, lies. 
    What a dangerous pit to be in , when the giver of life returns.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Arauna in The Sacred Field Ministry Stopped by a Bad Flu?   
    Who do you defend, you and all JWs with you -  the one who brings life, or the one who causes ruin?
    Exod 12:23 – “When the Lord goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.”
    The word for “destroyer” here, means “to corrupt, go to ruin, decay, pervert, to be rotted”.  This is exactly the opposite of what salvation (saving one’s life) in Jesus Christ who came from the Father, offers us. God’s Spirit in the Son, is the breath of LIFE.
    “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.”  John 6:63
    When God removes His protective spirit, the Destroyer steps in. He abandons us to the wicked choices we make.
    1 Cor 10 - 
    “But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
    Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us test Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.”
    As I've brought out, the meaning of destroyer in verse 10 is, “a ruiner, a venomous serpent”. 
    And as I have mentioned, we’re all aware of who the “venomous serpent” refers to.  (Gen 3:1)  Both Exod 12:23 and 1 Cor 10:10 show that the destroyer, the “ruiner”, in these accounts refer to Satan.
    “Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”  John 10:7-10
     Through deceit, the Destroyer and his ministers, have successfully convince millions of JWs throughout the years, that the Father and His Son are the destroyers of life. And, with great success, Satan has led God’s people into idolatry once again through their idol, "Jehovah's organization".  (2 Cor 11:4,13-15)  
    Jesus does not carry both the spirit of destruction and ruin, and the spirit of life.  That is what Paul warned us that would happen - "another Jesus" is being taught by you and the Wt. 
    Just wonderful, isn't it?  It is called, "confusion (by mixing)"  the  meaning of "Babylon", and it is described in Isa 5:20 - 
    "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"  
    You can worship a God and His Son that brings life that they have created, to ruin, if you like, but I will not.    I choose to be on the side of life.  Deceit is darkness and death and destruction and ruination...and it is Satan's playground.  That appears where your belief that God and Jesus are the destroyers, lies. 
    What a dangerous pit to be in , when the giver of life returns.  
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Ha Ha   You got the first bit right for sure. BUT neither God/Christ nor the Bible 'speaks' to the GB in a special way.
    They have proven that by their many 'mistakes' and false promises. Come on Tom admit it. The GB have nothing except a lot of puffed up pride and self serving bragging. They even stand on top of the Anointed ones and tell those Anointed ones not to meet together. 
    Does the Bible tell your GB to order the Body of Christ not to be as one ? Hypocrisy  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    To any anointed ones here from the organization:   After reading this list, and as teachers of the Word, the law of God, (Mal 2:7; Isa 43:10,12;44:8; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)…
    ..can you honestly say that you have worked in unison with the following words of the apostle Paul ? (1 Thess 2)
    “For you yourselves know, brethren, that our coming to you was not in vain. 2 But even after we had suffered before and were spitefully treated at Philippi, as you know, we were bold in our God to speak to you the gospel of God in much conflict. 3 For our exhortation did not come from error or uncleanness, nor was it in deceit.

    4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.” 

    For the following scriptures, consider your leaders, the GB:

    "For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness (pretext for greed)—God is witness. 6 Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ.
    For you remember, brethren, our labor and toil; for laboring night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, we preached to you the gospel of God."

    Have demands been put upon you, by those who call themselves, the (present and only) “faithful and discreet slave” of an earthly organization?  What are your obligations to this organization?    Obviously, by Paul's words, our only obligation is to the Father and the Son in Truth.  Why would this change today?

    "For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.”

    To all JWs, which “word” have you received from the “faithful and discreet slave”?  The word of God, or the word of men outlined above?  Which word have you welcomed and that “works in you”?  Truth, or the shifting sands of doctrine that cannot stand the test of time?  
    "Your prophets had nothing to tell you but lies; Their preaching deceived you by never exposing your sin. They made you think you did not need to repent."  Lam 2:14
     

     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    Contributed by a poster on reddit:
    "Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"
     
    Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)
    These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.
    1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed
    1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour
    1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave
    1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message
    (from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)
    1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts
    1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work
    1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger
    1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel
    1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave
    1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave
    1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that
    1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.
    1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.
    1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave
    1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave
    1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.
    1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave
    1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings
    1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave
    1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave
    1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time
    2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed
    2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters
    2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919
    2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave
    2007 All anointed Christians
    2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class
    2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days
    2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed
    2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919
    2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings
    2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)
    2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.
    2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave
    Now that's crystal clear, you may get baptised.
     
    One of the latest rumors, is that the only "faithful slave" (Matt 24:45) is the "governing body" of today. It is asserted that there were NO "faithful slaves" previous to the men which now rule over the international organization who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    We know that when a house is built on sand, it shifts and cracks. It must continually be repaired and patched up to "whitewash" it's intrinsic growing imperfections (Ezek 13:12,11,13; Acts 23:3; Matt 23:27). For those who make a home from such walls, that "house" of doctrines will come to ruin (Matt 7:27; Prov 19:5,9). Such is the case with man-made doctrines of error (Matt 7:26). For those who take shelter in and send forth such lies, the scriptures at Isa 28:11,14,15,17-22,29 find their home. (Dan 5:25-27,30; Luke 12:20)

    Why did Jesus put the identity of the faithful slave in question form? (Matt 24:45)?
    Because he listed two distinct options before his slaves (Matt 24:46,48-51).
    It must be noted, that if the governing body is the only slave, it is also the only identity that can fulfill the wicked steward....not the so-called "apostates" which they "beat". (Isa 667:5; John 16:1,2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; 6:9; 20:4; 17:6)
    From - Who is the "Faithful Slave"?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    To any anointed ones here from the organization:   After reading this list, and as teachers of the Word, the law of God, (Mal 2:7; Isa 43:10,12;44:8; 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; Heb 13:15)…
    ..can you honestly say that you have worked in unison with the following words of the apostle Paul ? (1 Thess 2)
    “For you yourselves know, brethren, that our coming to you was not in vain. 2 But even after we had suffered before and were spitefully treated at Philippi, as you know, we were bold in our God to speak to you the gospel of God in much conflict. 3 For our exhortation did not come from error or uncleanness, nor was it in deceit.

    4 But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts.” 

    For the following scriptures, consider your leaders, the GB:

    "For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness (pretext for greed)—God is witness. 6 Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ.
    For you remember, brethren, our labor and toil; for laboring night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, we preached to you the gospel of God."

    Have demands been put upon you, by those who call themselves, the (present and only) “faithful and discreet slave” of an earthly organization?  What are your obligations to this organization?    Obviously, by Paul's words, our only obligation is to the Father and the Son in Truth.  Why would this change today?

    "For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.”

    To all JWs, which “word” have you received from the “faithful and discreet slave”?  The word of God, or the word of men outlined above?  Which word have you welcomed and that “works in you”?  Truth, or the shifting sands of doctrine that cannot stand the test of time?  
    "Your prophets had nothing to tell you but lies; Their preaching deceived you by never exposing your sin. They made you think you did not need to repent."  Lam 2:14
     

     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    Sorry but i think it's so funny how the Watchtower / GB / helpers et al, make themselves so obviously hypocritical and deliberately liars.  I don't actually believe there is a 'Faithful and Discreet slave' as yet. Jesus will decide when He comes to judge us all. But, oh dear, how those GB and their helpers will themselves need help when Jesus arrives. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    Contributed by a poster on reddit:
    "Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"
     
    Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)
    These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.
    1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed
    1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour
    1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave
    1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message
    (from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)
    1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts
    1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work
    1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger
    1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel
    1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave
    1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave
    1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that
    1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.
    1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.
    1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave
    1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave
    1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.
    1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave
    1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings
    1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave
    1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave
    1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time
    2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed
    2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters
    2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919
    2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave
    2007 All anointed Christians
    2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class
    2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days
    2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed
    2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919
    2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings
    2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)
    2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.
    2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave
    Now that's crystal clear, you may get baptised.
     
    One of the latest rumors, is that the only "faithful slave" (Matt 24:45) is the "governing body" of today. It is asserted that there were NO "faithful slaves" previous to the men which now rule over the international organization who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    We know that when a house is built on sand, it shifts and cracks. It must continually be repaired and patched up to "whitewash" it's intrinsic growing imperfections (Ezek 13:12,11,13; Acts 23:3; Matt 23:27). For those who make a home from such walls, that "house" of doctrines will come to ruin (Matt 7:27; Prov 19:5,9). Such is the case with man-made doctrines of error (Matt 7:26). For those who take shelter in and send forth such lies, the scriptures at Isa 28:11,14,15,17-22,29 find their home. (Dan 5:25-27,30; Luke 12:20)

    Why did Jesus put the identity of the faithful slave in question form? (Matt 24:45)?
    Because he listed two distinct options before his slaves (Matt 24:46,48-51).
    It must be noted, that if the governing body is the only slave, it is also the only identity that can fulfill the wicked steward....not the so-called "apostates" which they "beat". (Isa 667:5; John 16:1,2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; 6:9; 20:4; 17:6)
    From - Who is the "Faithful Slave"?
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    Contributed by a poster on reddit:
    "Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"
     
    Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)
    These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.
    1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed
    1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour
    1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave
    1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message
    (from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)
    1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts
    1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work
    1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger
    1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel
    1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave
    1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave
    1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that
    1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.
    1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.
    1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave
    1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave
    1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.
    1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave
    1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings
    1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave
    1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave
    1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time
    2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed
    2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters
    2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919
    2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave
    2007 All anointed Christians
    2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class
    2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days
    2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed
    2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919
    2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings
    2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)
    2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.
    2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave
    Now that's crystal clear, you may get baptised.
     
    One of the latest rumors, is that the only "faithful slave" (Matt 24:45) is the "governing body" of today. It is asserted that there were NO "faithful slaves" previous to the men which now rule over the international organization who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    We know that when a house is built on sand, it shifts and cracks. It must continually be repaired and patched up to "whitewash" it's intrinsic growing imperfections (Ezek 13:12,11,13; Acts 23:3; Matt 23:27). For those who make a home from such walls, that "house" of doctrines will come to ruin (Matt 7:27; Prov 19:5,9). Such is the case with man-made doctrines of error (Matt 7:26). For those who take shelter in and send forth such lies, the scriptures at Isa 28:11,14,15,17-22,29 find their home. (Dan 5:25-27,30; Luke 12:20)

    Why did Jesus put the identity of the faithful slave in question form? (Matt 24:45)?
    Because he listed two distinct options before his slaves (Matt 24:46,48-51).
    It must be noted, that if the governing body is the only slave, it is also the only identity that can fulfill the wicked steward....not the so-called "apostates" which they "beat". (Isa 667:5; John 16:1,2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; 6:9; 20:4; 17:6)
    From - Who is the "Faithful Slave"?
     
     
  17. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE TIMELINE   
    Contributed by a poster on reddit:
    "Who really is the Faithful and Discrete Slave? (Surely he himself must know)"
     
    Let's find out... (Specific Watchtower publication references available on request)
    These are all directly from WT articles over the decades. Date is year published.
    1881 Russell states the Faithful slave is a collective servant made up of the anointed
    1917 Former associate Mr Barbour of Rochester became the Evil Slave. The Evil slave is not a class but a single person, Mr Barbour
    1917 Charles Taze Russell took the place of Mr Barbour fulfilling prophecy and became the Faithful slave
    1917 Russell claims he is a prophet faithfully sounding forth a trumpet message
    (from this point forward, the slave has been appointed so must know him/themselves who they are, when they were appointed and what they should be doing)
    1922 Russell has fulfilled by prophecy by physical facts
    1925 Russell is doing the Lord's work
    1925 Russell is the individual Laodicean messenger
    1925 Russell is the man clothed in linen in Ezekiel
    1927 Faithful slave is not an individual and never was but Jesus is the head of the slave
    1927 Flipflop - We reaffirm Russells 1881 proclamation, he is the Faithful slave
    1928 Russell is not the individual Laodicean messenger as this messenger is not an individual. Sorry about that
    1930 Jesus judged in 1918 and found the Evil slave even though The Watchtower found him in 1917.
    1931 The man clothed in linen in Ezekiel was not Russell. Sorry about that.
    1946 The Watchtower Society (the agency) used by Jesus is the Faithful slave
    1951 The society of anointed remnant and the restored theocratic organisation is the Faithful slave
    1953 The Faithful slave is a class of "interests and assets" but not The Watchtower Society, which is incorporated by a worldly political state.
    1958 The united body of the regathered last ones of God's spiritual nation are the Faithful slave
    1966 The slave was proven faithful and discrete at Christs return and appointed over all his belongings
    1969 Some people were disfellowshipped earlier on and joined the Evil slave
    1995 All anointed Christians are the Faithful slave
    1995 Charles Taze Russell and his associates were the Faithful slave - there is no doubt based on the results of the time
    2000 The Faithful Slave is the anointed
    2001 Faithful slave has already been appointed over Jesus' belongings including New York headquarters
    2004 Faithful slave was appointed over Christs belongings in 1919
    2006 Apostles such as Peter, John and Paul were all members of the Faithful slave
    2007 All anointed Christians
    2009 Faithful slave has been appointed over all Christs belongings including all property and the domestics who are the individual members of the slave class
    2013 Not all anointed make up the Faithful slave
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in the last days
    2013 We admit we used to say the slave was appointed in 33ce and was of the anointed
    2013 The Messianic Kingdom became Jesus property in 1914 which he will share with the anointed.
    2013 Faithful slave was appointed in 1919
    2013 Faithful slave has not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings
    2013 Faithful slave will be appointed over all Christs belongings at The Great Tribulation (because of course it will be found to have been faithful and discrete)
    2013 The domestics are the other sheep and the slave together, not just the individual members of the slave class as previously taught.
    2014 The governing body alone is the Faithful slave
    Now that's crystal clear, you may get baptised.
     
    One of the latest rumors, is that the only "faithful slave" (Matt 24:45) is the "governing body" of today. It is asserted that there were NO "faithful slaves" previous to the men which now rule over the international organization who call themselves "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    We know that when a house is built on sand, it shifts and cracks. It must continually be repaired and patched up to "whitewash" it's intrinsic growing imperfections (Ezek 13:12,11,13; Acts 23:3; Matt 23:27). For those who make a home from such walls, that "house" of doctrines will come to ruin (Matt 7:27; Prov 19:5,9). Such is the case with man-made doctrines of error (Matt 7:26). For those who take shelter in and send forth such lies, the scriptures at Isa 28:11,14,15,17-22,29 find their home. (Dan 5:25-27,30; Luke 12:20)

    Why did Jesus put the identity of the faithful slave in question form? (Matt 24:45)?
    Because he listed two distinct options before his slaves (Matt 24:46,48-51).
    It must be noted, that if the governing body is the only slave, it is also the only identity that can fulfill the wicked steward....not the so-called "apostates" which they "beat". (Isa 667:5; John 16:1,2; Rev 11:7; 13:15; 6:9; 20:4; 17:6)
    From - Who is the "Faithful Slave"?
     
     
  18. Downvote
    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
     
    Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
    You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the days to come,
    a witness forever and ever.
    9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
    10They say to the seers,
    “Stop seeing visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Do not prophesy to us the truth!
    Speak to us pleasant words;
    prophesy illusions.
    11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
    Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
    12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
    trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
    13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
    a bulge in a high wall,
    whose collapse will come suddenly—
    in an instant!
    14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
    shattered so that no fragment can be found.
    Not a shard will be found in the dust
    large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
    or to skim the water from a cistern.”
    15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
    “By repentance and rest
    you would be saved;
    your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
    but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
     
    Sleeping
     
  19. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
     
    Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
    You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the days to come,
    a witness forever and ever.
    9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
    10They say to the seers,
    “Stop seeing visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Do not prophesy to us the truth!
    Speak to us pleasant words;
    prophesy illusions.
    11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
    Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
    12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
    trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
    13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
    a bulge in a high wall,
    whose collapse will come suddenly—
    in an instant!
    14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
    shattered so that no fragment can be found.
    Not a shard will be found in the dust
    large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
    or to skim the water from a cistern.”
    15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
    “By repentance and rest
    you would be saved;
    your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
    but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
     
    Sleeping
     
  20. Like
    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Michael said, "The Lord rebuke you".  This is accomplished through God's Word...
     
    Of course.  I’m really not surprised at your words. I suppose many thought the same of Jesus and the apostles.  You are living under the illusion that God will only correct the GB, but not those who follow their direction? (Rev 18:4-8) JWs feel secure in their own “pride” as they continue to follow “Jehovah’s organization”, no matter the pitfalls created by their leaders along the way.  They pridefully proclaim that they will obtain salvation by their loyalty to..."Jehovah's organization".  They believe they are “chosen” by God to be part of this magnificent plan of man.  They don’t like their boat rocked; they don’t like their teachings scrutinized. How dare anyone who is now considered spiritually “dead”, speak against “Jehovah’s organization”.  How dare anyone question the idol and its representatives.  (Rom 1:25; Rev 11:11-3,7; 13:1,2,5-7,11,12,15)
    You, and all JWs, are living under a false sense of “peace and security”.  1 Thess 5:3
    Go now, write it on a tablet in their presence
    and inscribe it on a scroll;
    it will be for the days to come,
    a witness forever and ever.
    9These are rebellious people, deceitful children,
    children unwilling to obey the LORD’s instruction.
    10They say to the seers,
    “Stop seeing visions!”
    and to the prophets,
    “Do not prophesy to us the truth!
    Speak to us pleasant words;
    prophesy illusions.
    11Get out of the way; turn off the road.
    Rid us of the Holy One of Israel!”
    12Therefore this is what the Holy One of Israel says:
    “Because you have rejected this message,
    trusting in oppression and relying on deceit,
    13this iniquity of yours is like a breach about to fail,
    a bulge in a high wall,
    whose collapse will come suddenly—
    in an instant!
    14It will break in pieces like a potter’s jar,
    shattered so that no fragment can be found.
    Not a shard will be found in the dust
    large enough to scoop the coals from a hearth
    or to skim the water from a cistern.”
    15For the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel, has said:
    “By repentance and rest
    you would be saved;
    your strength would lie in quiet confidence—
    but you were not willing.”  Isa 30
     
    Sleeping
     
  21. Upvote
    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    This is for sure one way how to deal with wicked persons. People's (and animals) life and health must be protected. 
    Are secular courts have no right to be entitled? Well, if so, then you ask or advice us to be independent in/about in determining, at one's own discretion, when one is allowed to lie and deceive institutions that are "appointed by God" to maintain order in human society. This is done by JW lawyers in the courts of "Western democracy".
    If a JW member has the right to do so to “worldly persons,” what guarantee do you give that he/she will not do the same to his own JW members of the assembly or to elders? Because that’s a practice that’s common in WTJWorg. People keep things quiet or even lie about the facts. And, JW people are still people like everyone else, right?
    So, i would say, the example you gave is justified. But if so, then this is true for all people and in all situations for which an individual deems it justified to lie. If there are exceptions in which we may lie or misrepresent facts, then you (JW people) are no different from “secular people” who have the same kind of argumentation about their actions.
    Lying for "the truth" is allowed, and lying for a "lie" is not allowed.    So, Pilate was not mad after all when he asked Jesus, What is the Truth? 
    What will be "the truth" when JW lawyer open his mouth? 
  22. Upvote
    Witness got a reaction from Truthseeker in WHERE ARE THE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING?   
    If the only path of eternal life is truth in God’s Word, why would one tolerate untruths? (John 1:17; 14:6; 17:17; 1 John 4:6; 2 Tim 2:15) 
    Once we fall into a truth-baited trap, finding we’ve been surrounded by the deep darkness of untruths, what happens? (Ps 140:5; Amos 3:5; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 2 Cor 6:14) 
    We either fold our hands and accept the good with the bad, as thousands have done so for the rest of their fleshly lives; or our heart condition is motivated at some point to know why – why would God teach His people doctrine that is revealed to be untrue; doctrine which men call repeatedly, “adjustments in understanding” and “new light”. (Isa 5:20,21; 50:11; Eph 5:6,11; Rev 2:2; Mal 3:18) 
    God would not condone untruths, and neither would Jesus Christ. (Num 23:19; Mark 7:7; 2 John 1:9; Heb 6:18) But men in the organization convinced us otherwise. (Gal 1:6-9) 
    Jesus, who established the foundation of the Temple of Truth, has always been straightforward in providing the light of God’s word for those who seek it. (John 2:19,21; John 14:6; 8:12; John 3:20,21;1 Cor 3:11; 1 Pet 2:5,6; 1 Cor 12:28; Eph 1:13;2:19,20; 1 John 4:6) 
    However, “wolves in sheep’s clothing”, who receive their powers of deception from the father of the lie, are responsible for setting the successful trap of confusion. (Ezek 22:27; Isa 3:12; 9:16;Matt 7:15; 24:23-26; Acts 20:29; John 8:44; 1 Tim 4:1,2; 2 Pet 2:1-3) 
    They claim their personal role and that of their organization, is to disseminate truth, and this work is approved by both God and Jesus Christ. (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:11,12) Yet, neither the Father nor the Son would abandon what was initially established on the body of Christ in the first century, in order to accommodate the lying doctrines and aspirations of men. (Matt 16:18;1 Cor 3:10; Col 1:5; Eph 2:20,21; 2 Tim 1:13; 2:2; 3:14) 
    Each doctrine and subsequent doctrinal change, is an obstacle to one’s spiritual growth. (Mark 9:42; 1 Cor 4:6; James 3:15; 1 Tim 6:3-5) 
    “I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.” Rom 16:17,18
    In fact, the climate found in the organization reminds me of the air breathed when wildfires rage close to home. For days on end, the sun’s rays are obscured with smoke and ash. We may initially complain, but this obstacle is eventually accepted as an oppressive “normal”, and adaptations to continue in the daily routine are made. Our lungs and ensuing health suffer from inhaling harmful residue from the fires. In the organization, we adapted to the smoke and mirrors of deception and idolatry, contrived by the “ruler of the power of the air”. (Ezek 32:7; Isa 13:9,10; Joel 3:15; Eph 2:2; Rev 9:1,2) We were existing without the light of the “sun” – the light and truth of Christ’s teachings. We “breathed” in spirit-driven falsehoods, letting them settle into our hearts and placing our spiritual health in jeopardy. (Ps 5:9; Zech 8:17; Isa 29:13; Rev 16:13-16) 
    We didn’t realize that each doctrine established, is a clear sign that men have diverted from the Temple foundation of truth. (Jer 8:8-9; Matt 7:15-20; John 15:4,5; Col 2:3,4) 
    We were unaware that these false teachers appease their fleshly need for power over others, through the ‘sale’ of their false doctrines, while also exalting what they have built. (Exod 34:12-15; Isa 2:7,8; Hab 2:18; Rom 1:25; Rev 2:20;13:1,3-4,11,12,16,17) 
    We shared in the sins of their folly. (Jer 5:31; Isa 3:11;Prov 19:3; 1 Tim 6:9; Rev 14:9-11; 18:4-8) 
    “And you were dead in your trespasses and sins in which you previously walked according to the ways of this world, according to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit now working in the sons of disobedience. We too all previously lived among them in our fleshly desires, carrying out the inclinations of our flesh and thoughts, and we were by nature children under wrath as the others were also” Eph 2:1-3
    The organization’s existence serves the spiritual thieving need for Satan to destroy the competition – those “kings of the earth” under Jesus Christ. (Rev 1:5;5:9,10) (Rev 13:5-7; 20:7-9) 
    Is it really true that the governing leaders would accommodate Satan’s driving passion to destroy God’s priests/kings? (Luke 4:5-7; 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15; Heb 12:15,16; Rev 8:10,11)
    Well, it is not uncommon in the history of political rulership to witness corrupt men coming to power, only to rob and crush the poor and the needy. How much more so would Satan implement a plan to rob and crush the “remaining ones of the woman’s seed” under the façade of righteous acts, and using his ministers to carry it out? (Eccl 10:5-7; Jer 9:8; Isa 3:5,13-15; Zech 7:10; Hab 2:9,10; Jer 8:16; Joel 1:6,7;2 Thess 2:4,9,10; Rev 9:3,4,7,8,11; Rev 11:2; 12:13,15,17; 2 Cor 11:4,14,15) 
    Can you imagine Satan sitting back and allowing his kingdom to be destroyed, which without a doubt will happen when the Temple of living stones has reached completion? (Zech 4:6,7; Dan 2:34,35; 7:27; Rom 8:19-22) 
    No corrupt leader willingly gives up what he has built without a fight to protect his interests; and Satan’s only threat, is Jesus and the anointed members of his body. (1 John 5:19; Matt 28:18;:33; 1 Cor 15:25,26; Eph 6:12; Rev 12:7,10) 
    The traditional warring campaign is to target, capture and kill. Of course, this is Satan’s tactic against the kingdom heirs since he originated the plan. (Ezek 38:10,11; 1 Pet 5:8; Rev 20:7,8) If we analyze the organization’s drive to search out those who are called “honest-hearted ones”, (“the hearts of the naïve”), the realistic goal behind the deception, is to target the unsuspecting ones, and lead these individuals into the indoctrination of men, resulting in spiritual famine, disease and ultimate destruction. (Hos 4:1; Amos 8:11; Isa 32:6; 1 John 3:8) 
    Pearl Doxsey once said Satan “dredged the world to get anyone interested in the Bible.” Upon hearing this, I immediately thought of gold dredging in the high country of rivers and streams where I grew up. Many believe that this practice is destructive to stream life. I tend to agree that it can destroy spawning grounds of fish, diverting riverbeds from their natural course. From what I’ve learned, any man-made change that does not accommodate the natural flow of rivers, streams, small seasonal run-offs, and moisture from the heavens, constricts or prevents all established trees, plants and water life dependent on their natural setting, to continue thriving as they once were.
    A valuable “token” of Holy Spirit is deposited into each heart of one chosen by God through the anointing. (2 Cor 1:21,22; 1 Pet 2:9) Jesus compares the spirit of knowledge and truth, to “fine gold”. (John 14:15-17; Rev 3:18) 
    Each vessel chosen to do God’s will, should preserve the word of God, and teach it. (Mal 2:7; Matt 5:14-16; 1 Cor 4:1; 2 Cor 4:7; Eph 4:11,12; 1 Thess 2:4) Through their faithfulness and sacrifices of praise, the wisdom of God should grow within them. (Matt 25:14,19,21; Eph 2:10; 3:20; 4:15; Phil 1:6; Eph 1:7-10) 
    Jesus also compares the end harvest of the “sons of the kingdom”, to fish caught in a net. (Matt 13:37-39, 47,48; Jer16:16,17,18,15; 5:26; Hab 1:15-17) 
    These “sons”/anointed are God’s “possession”. (Exod 19:6; John 15:16; 1 Pet 2:9,10) 
    Through this fishing and dredging process, they became Satan’s captives, in time to halt the progress of further spiritual development of truth within themselves. (Heb 5:12-14) He halted the flow of “living water” that Jesus promised would come from the hearts of those who believe in him, and who remained attached to the “vine”/sap of Holy Spirit. (John 4:10; 7:38; 15:4; Jer 2:13)
    He successfully blocked their connection with their Master and Head, Jesus Christ, and introduced them to a new Master, under the covenant of death. (Eph 5:23; Col 2:19; Jer 8:18,19; Hos 17:10,13,16; Matt 24:24; Rev 13:11; 17:3; Isa 28:15,18) 
    Satan diverted the waters of life, preventing any who showed interest in the word of God to receive truth. (2 Chron 15:3; Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 5:20; 2 Tim 2:15) He created his own poisoned waters, through his ministers, to the fatal harm of all who drink it in. (Rev 8:10,11) He prevented the members of Christ’s body to receive the “bread of life”, preventing their union as one body, “one loaf” sent by Christ to those hungry for truth. (John 6:35,50,51; Matt 10:40,41) 
    At his demand, God has allowed this testing by Satan to come upon the final remnant in the last days. (Luke 22:31; Jer 9:13-16; 2 Thess 2:9-12) 
    Pearl had mentioned that just as Herod went into Jerusalem to find the young Jesus and kill him, Satan has searched out those under the New Covenant in Christ – the anointed of “Jerusalem above”, to destroy with deceit. The “preaching work” of JWs, facilitated Satan’s plan. (Gal 4:26) 
    These counterfeit "witnesses" unwittingly go "door to door" with the bait....searching out the "firstborn sons" for Satan....
    that they might take the bait...becoming ensnared, enslaved, and "destroyed" before they have a chance to grow to sealed maturity (Eph.4:13; 1Cor.2:6; Gal.4:19)....just as the soldiers of Herod sought through every home in Ramah, to destroy the promised seed (Rev.12:17; Heb.12:23; Rev.14:4; 2Thess.2:13,14; Matt.2:16,17,18; Isa.49:21; Eze.14:22; 6:8; 7:16; 12:16) 
    Unfortunately, Satan did not care that innocent babies were killed in his rage (reflected in Herod) against the promised "seed" Jesus (Gal.3:16). Neither does he care, that interested Bible students are perishing from the poisonous waters he has unleashed to target the "seed" today (Gal.3:29,26; Rev.12:4,15,16,17).
    There is nothing superior about the indoctrination offered to the Bible students of "Jehovah's Witnesses".
    They are learning lies just as members of Christendom are learning lies.
    The only path to life, is Truth.
    Whether you are "babes" to doctrines of men, or babes to the real truth,
    the Great Tribulation will be a severe spiritual test, which most will not survive (Matt.24:22,24,13)...
    Not because the test is unfair, but because most of those of the learned and the unlearned,
    prefer the idolatrous lies (2Thess.2:9,10; Matt.7:13).
    For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation. 
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/babes-and.html
     
    "Go to the ant, you sluggard;
    consider its ways and be wise!
    7 It has no commander,
    no overseer or ruler,
    8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
    and gathers its food at harvest.
    9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
    When will you get up from your sleep?
    10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 6
     
    "I went past the field of a sluggard,
    past the vineyard of someone who has no sense;
    31 thorns had come up everywhere,
    the ground was covered with weeds,
    and the stone wall was in ruins.
    32 I applied my heart to what I observed
    and learned a lesson from what I saw:
    33 A little sleep, a little slumber,
    a little folding of the hands to rest—
    34 and poverty will come on you like a thief
    and scarcity like an armed man." Prov 24
    Jer 8:13; Hos 8:7,8; Isa 50:2; Rev 18:8 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+8%3A13%3B+Hos+8%3A7%2C8%3B+Isa+50%3A2%3B+Rev+18%3A8 &version=NIV
     
    The temple of God’s dwelling where truth could be found in a united anointed priesthood of “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5) is in symbolic ruins in the organization. (Matt 24:2; Luke 19:41-44) Thorns and briars have taken over. (Dan 11:36,37; Ezek 2:6; 2 Thess 2:4; Rev 11:2; 13:7) The saints are scattered among the nations, but that doesn’t mean that a “restoration” work is impossible. (Eph 2:4-10) It is happening now. As Pearl said, “For lovers of truth, all things are possible, including salvation.” (Ezek 34:12; Isa 50:10; 52:1,2; Eph 5:14-16; Jer 31:10,11;16; Isa 10:20) 
     
    Leave the organization if you haven’t already done so! And if you have left, help as many as you can to leave the abyss of deep darkness behind.
     
    "If you falter in a time of trouble,
    how small is your strength!
    11 Rescue those being led away to death;
    hold back those staggering toward slaughter.
    12 If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”
    does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?
    Does not he who guards your life know it?
    Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?" Prov 24
     

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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    🙂  Spoken like a true elder "shepherd". Ezek 34:1-16; Jer 23:1-3; John 10:7-15
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+34%3A1-16%3B+Jer+23%3A1-3%3B+John+10%3A7-15&version=CSB
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I can name several defects that I have and I continually ask for forgiveness.  One thing I don’t do, is teach millions of people that they must obey me, no matter what I say.  I don’t put myself before Jesus Christ. I don’t lead millions of people into idolatry, a grave sin that I committed for over 30 years and which I have asked God to forgive me; for listening to spiritual harlots who have broken their covenant with Jesus, and becoming one myself by consuming their lies.   I don’t tell people that Armageddon will be here in a certain year, and when it doesn’t occur, blame my listeners for jumping to conclusions.
    I don’t exalt earthly treasures above spiritual “treasures”/knowledge of God’s Word.  Can your leaders live without their organization, their compound, their hopes and dreams to be filled on this earth…in Satan’s domain?
    Their sins are not the slight ones. They have committed the unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit, by damning the anointed in Christ, who speak against their lies. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I do believe those in the world who want to "know" the GB just need to tune into the website and take a listen to their videos.  Their deficiencies are REAL.  
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