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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    What did the apostles do?  What was their homework?
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Deal with the discipline of people who are not inspired, but act as if they are on par with the apostles?
    No, never.  The point is to defend truth, not those who exalt themselves and their doctrine, over Truth in Jesus Christ.  We are to make a noise when we know that truth is not being upheld.  (Eph 5:11)
    Are we to defend men or the Father and the Son?
    "Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10
    We can't please God or Christ and please men who expect us to accept their false teachings.  
    What is the point of Armageddon if not to exalt the Father and the Son in Truth, through our testimony?   Why does "Michael" stand up in the last days if not to defend the Father in Truth? (Acts 3:20,21; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Dan 12:1) 
    "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"  Gal 1:6-9
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    The real reason this injustice occurs? To protect a facade... the Image of the Organization, as a spotless spiritual paradise (Jer.6:13-14; Eze.13:10; 22:27; 34:2-4; Acts 20:29) (Rev.13:14-15,12,8; Isa.48:1-2; Jer.7:4; Matt.24:23).
    The innocent who do not honor that false Image of divinity, are slandered and expelled (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6-7; Ps.12:5; Matt.7:15; 12:7; Jer.23:2; 22:3; Rev.11:7; 17:6; Zech.11:15-17) (Eze.45:9; Isa.59:3-9,14-15; 32:7; Amos 5:12). (Ps.94:21; Rev.20:9; Micah 7:3; 3:10-11; 1Thess.5:3)
    "My Master is Delaying/Two Witness Policy
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    What does a "witness" for God witness about? Other things to fill out their day instead of their testimony for truth?  
     By the way, "witness" in Greek means "martyr".  We don't know how many anointed and others were "killed" by men (who act as "kings") in judicial committees for the last several decades for their "witness" to truth in God's word.  Are those df'd, the apostates, or were they exposing their apostate "governors"?  
    Why did they become martyrs like the apostles with the early anointed and believers in Christ?  
    They filled their day as much as possible, with their testimony of truth.  Rev 11:3,7; 13:5-7,15; 12:11
    “You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. ("congregations")  On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them.  And the gospel must first be preached to all nations.  Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit."  Mark 13:9-11
    "They will put you out of the synagogue ("congregation"); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God."  John 16:2
    Do you see?  This is the direction of the end time preaching work - to "Israel", the anointed and those with them.  Matt 10: 23  To the "apostates" that have dominion over the anointed and all, who remain captive to empty philosophy.  (Col 2:8)
    "Of course, we are living in the world, but we do not wage war in a world-like way. For the weapons of our warfare are not those of the world. Instead, they have the power of God to demolish fortresses. We tear down arguments  and every proud obstacle that is raised against the knowledge of God, taking every thought captive in order to obey the Messiah."  1 Cor 10:3-5
    What is the "fortress" of protection for JWs?
    And just as a child seeks his parents’ protection when a storm rages, we seek protection in Jehovah’s organization when, like a thunderstorm, the problems of this world strike us. wt 11/4/15 pp 3-5
    Sounds like idol worship, doesn't it.  Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Deal with the discipline of people who are not inspired, but act as if they are on par with the apostles?
    No, never.  The point is to defend truth, not those who exalt themselves and their doctrine, over Truth in Jesus Christ.  We are to make a noise when we know that truth is not being upheld.  (Eph 5:11)
    Are we to defend men or the Father and the Son?
    "Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10
    We can't please God or Christ and please men who expect us to accept their false teachings.  
    What is the point of Armageddon if not to exalt the Father and the Son in Truth, through our testimony?   Why does "Michael" stand up in the last days if not to defend the Father in Truth? (Acts 3:20,21; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Dan 12:1) 
    "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"  Gal 1:6-9
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    https://news.sky.com/story/there-was-no-reprimand-nothing-changed-survivors-criticise-jehovahs-witness-elders-for-failing-to-act-over-child-sexual-abuse-claims-12396672
    This is not just going to go away. It has to be dealt with. Hopefully the GB will be brought to account.
    BUT I keep coming back with the question 'What has happened to the 25 year CSA / Pedophile database in the USA ?
    And then what happened to the CSA situation in Canada ? 
    Here in England it seems a lot of news from the USA is blocked, 'for legal reasons'. 
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    The real reason this injustice occurs? To protect a facade... the Image of the Organization, as a spotless spiritual paradise (Jer.6:13-14; Eze.13:10; 22:27; 34:2-4; Acts 20:29) (Rev.13:14-15,12,8; Isa.48:1-2; Jer.7:4; Matt.24:23).
    The innocent who do not honor that false Image of divinity, are slandered and expelled (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6-7; Ps.12:5; Matt.7:15; 12:7; Jer.23:2; 22:3; Rev.11:7; 17:6; Zech.11:15-17) (Eze.45:9; Isa.59:3-9,14-15; 32:7; Amos 5:12). (Ps.94:21; Rev.20:9; Micah 7:3; 3:10-11; 1Thess.5:3)
    "My Master is Delaying/Two Witness Policy
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Deal with the discipline of people who are not inspired, but act as if they are on par with the apostles?
    No, never.  The point is to defend truth, not those who exalt themselves and their doctrine, over Truth in Jesus Christ.  We are to make a noise when we know that truth is not being upheld.  (Eph 5:11)
    Are we to defend men or the Father and the Son?
    "Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."  Gal 1:10
    We can't please God or Christ and please men who expect us to accept their false teachings.  
    What is the point of Armageddon if not to exalt the Father and the Son in Truth, through our testimony?   Why does "Michael" stand up in the last days if not to defend the Father in Truth? (Acts 3:20,21; 2 Thess 1:6-10; Dan 12:1) 
    "I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!"  Gal 1:6-9
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Jehovah's Witnesses 'failed to act' over sex abuse claims   
    The real reason this injustice occurs? To protect a facade... the Image of the Organization, as a spotless spiritual paradise (Jer.6:13-14; Eze.13:10; 22:27; 34:2-4; Acts 20:29) (Rev.13:14-15,12,8; Isa.48:1-2; Jer.7:4; Matt.24:23).
    The innocent who do not honor that false Image of divinity, are slandered and expelled (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6-7; Ps.12:5; Matt.7:15; 12:7; Jer.23:2; 22:3; Rev.11:7; 17:6; Zech.11:15-17) (Eze.45:9; Isa.59:3-9,14-15; 32:7; Amos 5:12). (Ps.94:21; Rev.20:9; Micah 7:3; 3:10-11; 1Thess.5:3)
    "My Master is Delaying/Two Witness Policy
     
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I have to agree that this does make sense. Though I would think there are cases where people have a right to have an attitude if they've been incorrectly dealt with.  I must admit that the Elders, in more than one congregation, were 'on my back' about some things, but I was never D/fed. 
    Please be balanced enough to accept that some of us leave because of the immorality within the JW Org. I make it clear that I left because of the CSA earthwide in the Org, and because of the dishonest way it was being dealt with.  I felt that the Org was not a safe place to invite families into. I have since found other reasons not to return, but i have not gone looking for an alternative 'Christian' way, nor have I turned my back on God or Christ. Please think again on those last few words of your sentence above. Who was that tolerated pedophile Elders and M/s in congregations of JWs ? 
    This is now an important issue to me. I could not hand out Watchtower magazines or books from the GB / Org if I did not agree with the things written inside them. 
     
    I'd love to see that in a Bible study. Telling a student to read a paragraph from the book, and then saying, 'well actually you don't have to believe that because it's only what the GB write. it might not be true'  
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in God’s Kingdom Quietly Removes Its Enemies since 1919....   
    “Now we ask you, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to him, 2 that you not be easily shaken from your composure, nor be troubled either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter alleged to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has arrived. 3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.”  2 Thess 2:1-4
    What is the first event that you see happening?  An announcement is made that the “day of the Lord as arrived”.  Who announces it?  Someone “alleged to be from us” – from an anointed one, or one who claims to be anointed… or, a “false apostle”. Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13; Rev 2:2 
    Who do you know in the world – either in politics or religion -  that has made an announcement that the “day of the Lord has arrived”?  The only leaders that I know who have made such a statement, are the leaders of your organization! 
    @Kick_Faceinator had a great quote related to this from the Wt., which I can’t find, but these will do:
    BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began. w88 10/15 pp. 15-20 By the time the Lord’s day began in 1914, Britain had built the largest empire in history and the United States had become the greatest industrial power on earth. w12 6/15 pp. 14-18  Thus, when the Lord’s day dawned in October 1914, there were still true Christians on earth. re chap. 6 pp. 27-32   
    “The Lord’s day” began in 1914, according to whom?  According to your leaders who claim to be part of “Israel”, or those who claim that they are part of the Body of Christ.  This is the same thing as saying “the day of the Lord has arrived” – 2 Thess 2:3
    Can you see this?  Can you see that this “day” doesn’t arrive until…
    #1 – the rebellion occurs by the “man of lawlessness”
    #2 – he sets himself up in the Temple of God. And where are the Temple “living stones found”?  The “man of lawlessness” must exalt himself over those who are “sons of God” – “gods” – the anointed! 2 Thess 2:4; John 10:34,35  How will this happen in the world of other religions and politics?
    #3 –“the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth, and wipe out by the appearance of his coming” - the arrival of the day of the Lord.  (2 Thess 2:8)
    Who has done this? Who has set himself up in the Temple of God?  No one other than THE ELDER BODY - THOSE MEN WHO CLAIM CLERGY PENITENT PRIVELEGE IN THE COURT SYSTEMS!
     Clergy:  “religious leaders, especially Christian PRIESTS, ministers, etc”
    EVEN THOUGH ONLY THE ANOINTED ARE APPOINTED BY GOD AS PRIESTS, YOUR ELDERS HAVE ASSUMED THIS ROLE AND IT IS THE DISGUSTING THING STANDING WHERE IT DOESN’T BELONG!  (Dan 11:23, 31-33; Mark 13:14; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  THEY ARE NOT ASSIGNED BY GOD TO BE PRIESTS, OR TO REPRESENT THE ANOINTED!  (Ezek 28:2; Rev 11:1,2)
    THIS ORGANIZATION HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGAN IN 1914, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TO IGNORE, ‘NOT TO BE EASILY SHAKEN’, ACCORDING TO 2 THESS 2:2
    THIS ORGANIZATION IS WHERE THE “MAN OF LAWLESSNESS” IS FOUND. GOD’S WORD SAYS THAT ANYONE WHO REPLACES HIS APPOINTED PRIESTS WILL BE DESTROYED.  (NUM 3:10)
    2 THESS 2:1-4 PROVES THAT 1914 IS A LIE! 
    STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!
     
    Do you realize that your magazines apply Eph 4:7,8 to the elder body?  Yes, they do!     Do you believe the elders received these gifts?  Not according to Eph 4:4,11,12.  Your elders not only act as priests but as the anointed Body of Christ.  They may as well call themselves anointed!
    "He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change times and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.[e] 26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’"  Dan 7:25-27
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in God’s Kingdom Quietly Removes Its Enemies since 1919....   
    “Now we ask you, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to him, 2 that you not be easily shaken from your composure, nor be troubled either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter alleged to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has arrived. 3 Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and who exalts himself over every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.”  2 Thess 2:1-4
    What is the first event that you see happening?  An announcement is made that the “day of the Lord as arrived”.  Who announces it?  Someone “alleged to be from us” – from an anointed one, or one who claims to be anointed… or, a “false apostle”. Matt 24:24,25; 2 Cor 11:13; Rev 2:2 
    Who do you know in the world – either in politics or religion -  that has made an announcement that the “day of the Lord has arrived”?  The only leaders that I know who have made such a statement, are the leaders of your organization! 
    @Kick_Faceinator had a great quote related to this from the Wt., which I can’t find, but these will do:
    BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began. w88 10/15 pp. 15-20 By the time the Lord’s day began in 1914, Britain had built the largest empire in history and the United States had become the greatest industrial power on earth. w12 6/15 pp. 14-18  Thus, when the Lord’s day dawned in October 1914, there were still true Christians on earth. re chap. 6 pp. 27-32   
    “The Lord’s day” began in 1914, according to whom?  According to your leaders who claim to be part of “Israel”, or those who claim that they are part of the Body of Christ.  This is the same thing as saying “the day of the Lord has arrived” – 2 Thess 2:3
    Can you see this?  Can you see that this “day” doesn’t arrive until…
    #1 – the rebellion occurs by the “man of lawlessness”
    #2 – he sets himself up in the Temple of God. And where are the Temple “living stones found”?  The “man of lawlessness” must exalt himself over those who are “sons of God” – “gods” – the anointed! 2 Thess 2:4; John 10:34,35  How will this happen in the world of other religions and politics?
    #3 –“the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of his mouth, and wipe out by the appearance of his coming” - the arrival of the day of the Lord.  (2 Thess 2:8)
    Who has done this? Who has set himself up in the Temple of God?  No one other than THE ELDER BODY - THOSE MEN WHO CLAIM CLERGY PENITENT PRIVELEGE IN THE COURT SYSTEMS!
     Clergy:  “religious leaders, especially Christian PRIESTS, ministers, etc”
    EVEN THOUGH ONLY THE ANOINTED ARE APPOINTED BY GOD AS PRIESTS, YOUR ELDERS HAVE ASSUMED THIS ROLE AND IT IS THE DISGUSTING THING STANDING WHERE IT DOESN’T BELONG!  (Dan 11:23, 31-33; Mark 13:14; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  THEY ARE NOT ASSIGNED BY GOD TO BE PRIESTS, OR TO REPRESENT THE ANOINTED!  (Ezek 28:2; Rev 11:1,2)
    THIS ORGANIZATION HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD BEGAN IN 1914, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TO IGNORE, ‘NOT TO BE EASILY SHAKEN’, ACCORDING TO 2 THESS 2:2
    THIS ORGANIZATION IS WHERE THE “MAN OF LAWLESSNESS” IS FOUND. GOD’S WORD SAYS THAT ANYONE WHO REPLACES HIS APPOINTED PRIESTS WILL BE DESTROYED.  (NUM 3:10)
    2 THESS 2:1-4 PROVES THAT 1914 IS A LIE! 
    STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!
     
    Do you realize that your magazines apply Eph 4:7,8 to the elder body?  Yes, they do!     Do you believe the elders received these gifts?  Not according to Eph 4:4,11,12.  Your elders not only act as priests but as the anointed Body of Christ.  They may as well call themselves anointed!
    "He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change times and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.[e] 26 But the court will convene, and his dominion will be taken away, to be completely destroyed forever. 27 The kingdom, dominion, and greatness of the kingdoms under all of heaven will be given to the people, the holy ones of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will serve and obey him.’"  Dan 7:25-27
     
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    If I may remark, it would then mean that GB should stop calling ex-JW with expressions as; ex-JW are "apostates, enemies, poison" and the like. 
    Also, JW members' "bible-trained consciences" would disregard the GB directive on how to treat former members.
    What you mention is commendable. Generally speaking. Generally understood. Generally applicable. But apart from you a few who talk to us here and a few who do it with us personally where we live, it is an rare  exception to WTJWorg policy.
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Are you a politician ? You act like one. Sly persuasive words. 
    Now how about the idea of 'taking down' anyone whom you see working against God's will ?
    Such as the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org that are deliberately insulting God and Christ. 
    Remember the Nation of Israel.  Remember Jerusalem. Remember it's destruction. 
    Having a form of Godly devotion,,, 2 Timothy 3 : 5
    Berean Study Bible
    having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these! 
    Giving false promises, false dates for Armageddon, has caused stumbling, it wasn't 'doing God's will' 
    And CSA, well I've no need to explain. The blood guilt lies on the hands of the W/t leaders. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Or, if you are the Leaders of the Watchtower / JW Org, then you spend your time playing with numbers and dates to pretend you know more than other people do. 
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12
    But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.
    "Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10
    Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Thank you for Ezek 14:10.
    "The word of the Lord came to me: 13 “Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals, 14 even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord."  Ezek 14:12-14
    We already see the effect of spiritual famine in the organization.  Their magazines are becoming less with each year.  They rely on the influence of sight, sound, and emotional persuasion in their videos.  They don't rely on God or God's word in Jesus Christ.  
    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."   Matt 7:13,14
    The word "narrow" can mean "trouble, afflict, suffer tribulation".  Jesus was telling us that the act of leaving...the broad road of destruction where false prophets have led God's people into spiritual famine...to follow his teachings, IS the advent of the great tribulation.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I take this back.  They know more than I give them credit for.   They have tried to shut down Pearl Doxsey's  blog many times over the years.  They have stolen phrases from her writings and incorporated them in their talks.  It is as Splane said, "this is war" - of truth against their lies.   They are diligent at sending out their spies to shut down all who reveal their lies.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    This couldn't have been more clear.  
    I think that they put the total blame for failed teachings on the leadership.  I have even heard JWs question if they are guilty or not, for following leaders who sorely miss the mark.  The reigns are so tight, that no matter what is taught, they feel obligated to recognize those whom they have been told "Jehovah" has picked to lead them...and of course, as it is always brought up, these men are "imperfect".  What a strong, persuasive trap that has developed.  
    "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience."  Eph 5:6
    "The same judgment will happen
    to both people and priests.
    I will punish them for their ways
    and repay them for their deeds."  Hos 4:9
    "Then I heard another voice from heaven:
    Come out of her, my people,
    so that you will not share in her sins
    or receive any of her plagues.
    5 For her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes."   Rev 18:4,5
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12
    But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.
    "Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10
    Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Thank you for Ezek 14:10.
    "The word of the Lord came to me: 13 “Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals, 14 even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord."  Ezek 14:12-14
    We already see the effect of spiritual famine in the organization.  Their magazines are becoming less with each year.  They rely on the influence of sight, sound, and emotional persuasion in their videos.  They don't rely on God or God's word in Jesus Christ.  
    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."   Matt 7:13,14
    The word "narrow" can mean "trouble, afflict, suffer tribulation".  Jesus was telling us that the act of leaving...the broad road of destruction where false prophets have led God's people into spiritual famine...to follow his teachings, IS the advent of the great tribulation.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12
    But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.
    "Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10
    Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    Thank you for Ezek 14:10.
    "The word of the Lord came to me: 13 “Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its people and their animals, 14 even if these three men—Noah, Daniel and Job—were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign Lord."  Ezek 14:12-14
    We already see the effect of spiritual famine in the organization.  Their magazines are becoming less with each year.  They rely on the influence of sight, sound, and emotional persuasion in their videos.  They don't rely on God or God's word in Jesus Christ.  
    “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."   Matt 7:13,14
    The word "narrow" can mean "trouble, afflict, suffer tribulation".  Jesus was telling us that the act of leaving...the broad road of destruction where false prophets have led God's people into spiritual famine...to follow his teachings, IS the advent of the great tribulation.  
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    The effort put out to become a JW is NOTHING. JWs came to us, or we were born into this religion.  The effort needed to leave the organization, leave any life and loved ones we knew while in it, accepting any persecution and ridicule that is said about us...and remain committed to serve the Father and the Son in truth, takes every ounce of effort and faith we can muster.  Luke 6:22; Matt 5:11; 2 Tim 3:12
    But the gift we receive for our devotion and love, is precious.
    "Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full."  John 10:7-10
    Jesus, the small gate, promises life to the full; unlike an organization that promises the "best life ever" while it leads people down a a broad road littered with false predictions and false doctrine.
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The 144k and the GB...gnostics?   
    I take this back.  They know more than I give them credit for.   They have tried to shut down Pearl Doxsey's  blog many times over the years.  They have stolen phrases from her writings and incorporated them in their talks.  It is as Splane said, "this is war" - of truth against their lies.   They are diligent at sending out their spies to shut down all who reveal their lies.  
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