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    Witness reacted to Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This excellent explanation give so strong and irrefragable argument against GB unreasonable ideas of how people today cannot be inspired by HS. GB’s silly replacement of the thesis that they are “guided” by the spirit is nothing more than an attempt to justify every nonsense they teach people while remaining in positions of power and authority, they and their elders. I believe that for HS there is no obstacle to “filling the heart” of every individual to whom the Father shows love, whether he/she belongs to a "large or a small flock".
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    You said once, that women represent covenants, and you used Gal 4:26.  The "New Covenant" that the anointed are under, is a "woman" - a "mother" of life as @Kick_Faceinatordescribed.  It is New Jerusalem and is found not in an established, physically perceived location in heaven, but is found within the hearts of anointed. (Luke 17:21)  It is the same woman that Satan is trying to destroy by a "flood" of lies and that sadly, you partake in.  (Rev 12:15; 16:13-16; Luke 17:26-27; Rev 3:17-22)
    Your concept, or I should say the falsehood of your leadership, of who the woman is, did not give birth to Jesus Christ, since Jesus was around before any angel was ever created.  And it was through Jesus, that angels were created.  So, since "all things have been created through him and for him", how could it give birth to him? 
    “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
        before his deeds of old"
    Then I was constantly at his side.
    I was filled with delight day after day,
        rejoicing always in his presence"  Prov 8:22,30
    "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy."  Col 1:15-18
    Jesus was the promised seed for his physical nation.  That promise was fulfilled through the "woman" covenant with Israel (Hagar - Gal 4:25), but also the covenant made with Abraham for a seed (Sarah - Gal 4:24,31,26).  (Rom 4:13)  Jesus as this human heir, replaced Adam.  1( Cor 15:45; Gal 3:16)
    The "woman"/New Jerusalem/"mother"/Sarah is also a promise of more seed...in the "144,000" Bride of Jesus Christ. (1 Pet 3:6,14)  Since Jesus inaugurated the New Covenant at his death, which is the woman of Revelation 12:1-5 how could he be "born" from that woman?  The Abrahamic covenant promise of seed continues, until the Kingdom is established.  A "third generation" of seed at the union of Christ and his Bride, will bring forth children.  (John 5:28,29; Acts 24:15; Rom 8:19,21; Rev 21:2-5; 22:2,17)
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    All that you wrote is absolute truth!   I just feel the need to specify that any links I gave in association with https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/, belongs to Pearl Doxsey whom I work with, as well as Rachel who is responsible for the letter writing to Wt.'s leadership worldwide.
    ("two or three witnesses" 2 Cor 13:1.  There can be an application of dichotomy about this, which the Wt. uses blasphemously in judicial committees, and ignores when it comes to child/sexual abuse.  Even early on, God made exceptions in this case which the org. defiantly states that it doesn't apply; thus, they have transgressed God's decrees in Jesus Christ, to show mercy and love to one's neighbor and to the oppressed. Deut 22:25,26;  Matt 5:18; Gal 5:14; 1 John 5:9; James 1:27  
    Pearl and I are also admins. of a public facebook group that I've mentioned here also.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    All that you wrote is absolute truth!   I just feel the need to specify that any links I gave in association with https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/, belongs to Pearl Doxsey whom I work with, as well as Rachel who is responsible for the letter writing to Wt.'s leadership worldwide.
    ("two or three witnesses" 2 Cor 13:1.  There can be an application of dichotomy about this, which the Wt. uses blasphemously in judicial committees, and ignores when it comes to child/sexual abuse.  Even early on, God made exceptions in this case which the org. defiantly states that it doesn't apply; thus, they have transgressed God's decrees in Jesus Christ, to show mercy and love to one's neighbor and to the oppressed. Deut 22:25,26;  Matt 5:18; Gal 5:14; 1 John 5:9; James 1:27  
    Pearl and I are also admins. of a public facebook group that I've mentioned here also.  https://www.facebook.com/groups/restorationofjacob
     
     
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914. 
    Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
    For you men say:  “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
    Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
    The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
    “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
    “its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
    As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
    In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
    The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read. 
    According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
    "Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
    "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Well, we know that the ancient physical temples were sacred because they signified the presence of God among His people. But more than that, He allowed His Spirit to “fill the Temple” as we see in Solomon’s dedication of the temple he built. (2Chron 5:13,14)   His Spirit also filled the early moveable tabernacle, and He dwelt with His people.  (Exod 25:8)
    It is the same with the anointed as God’s Temple.  Individually, they are the temple, since their heart is the home/ dwelling of God’s Spirit. (John 14:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom 8:9,11) But, as “living stones” they also together, are part of and represent the entire Temple. (1 Pet 2:Eph 2:22; Heb 3:6)
    In the Kingdom of God, His Spirit will “dwell” with mankind again, but through the anointed/Bride and Jesus Christ.  The symbolic "144,000" can be compared to mobile tabernacles carrying the Spirit and knowledge of God; but joined together, they are “New Jerusalem/Zion/Temple of God with Jesus Christ.   (Rev 22:3; 7:15)
    Elders will not be representing New Jerusalem on earth.  They represent an earthly organization, not the Temple of God.  This organization will not exist in the Kingdom. (Isa 43:21,10; 1 Pet 2:5,10)   It will be the anointed  - a “new creation”, both spirit and human, who with Jesus their “husband”,  will bring the Spirit and knowledge from God, to earth. (1 Cor 5:17; Gen 28:12; John 1:51) (John 16:28; Heb 1:6) (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; Heb 1:14; Rev 22:17)   
     Didn’t Jesus do just that when on earth?  He brought the Spirit of God and wisdom of His word, to mankind.  He will do that again in the Kingdom. 
    I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
    “See, the tent of God is among humans!
        He will make his home with them,
            and they will be his people.
    God himself will be with them,
        and he will be their God. “
     
    I.“tent” -
    “tent, tabernacle,
    of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built
     
    I don’t know if this helps with the connection, but as an example…there are over 60 power poles that must be replaced between where we live and the next small village because of the forest fire that just occurred.   Upon seeing employees working on the lines, one could easily say, the power company is here.  The individual workers represent the power company, but also are part of the entire power company.  Through their presence we can conceptualize the power company as a whole.  If they have the power company’s logo on their shirt, well then, we may say they are the power company. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    They are busy guys with family and work responsibilities.   Pranksters, they aren't.  Protectors, yes.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Well, we know that the ancient physical temples were sacred because they signified the presence of God among His people. But more than that, He allowed His Spirit to “fill the Temple” as we see in Solomon’s dedication of the temple he built. (2Chron 5:13,14)   His Spirit also filled the early moveable tabernacle, and He dwelt with His people.  (Exod 25:8)
    It is the same with the anointed as God’s Temple.  Individually, they are the temple, since their heart is the home/ dwelling of God’s Spirit. (John 14:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom 8:9,11) But, as “living stones” they also together, are part of and represent the entire Temple. (1 Pet 2:Eph 2:22; Heb 3:6)
    In the Kingdom of God, His Spirit will “dwell” with mankind again, but through the anointed/Bride and Jesus Christ.  The symbolic "144,000" can be compared to mobile tabernacles carrying the Spirit and knowledge of God; but joined together, they are “New Jerusalem/Zion/Temple of God with Jesus Christ.   (Rev 22:3; 7:15)
    Elders will not be representing New Jerusalem on earth.  They represent an earthly organization, not the Temple of God.  This organization will not exist in the Kingdom. (Isa 43:21,10; 1 Pet 2:5,10)   It will be the anointed  - a “new creation”, both spirit and human, who with Jesus their “husband”,  will bring the Spirit and knowledge from God, to earth. (1 Cor 5:17; Gen 28:12; John 1:51) (John 16:28; Heb 1:6) (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; Heb 1:14; Rev 22:17)   
     Didn’t Jesus do just that when on earth?  He brought the Spirit of God and wisdom of His word, to mankind.  He will do that again in the Kingdom. 
    I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
    “See, the tent of God is among humans!
        He will make his home with them,
            and they will be his people.
    God himself will be with them,
        and he will be their God. “
     
    I.“tent” -
    “tent, tabernacle,
    of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built
     
    I don’t know if this helps with the connection, but as an example…there are over 60 power poles that must be replaced between where we live and the next small village because of the forest fire that just occurred.   Upon seeing employees working on the lines, one could easily say, the power company is here.  The individual workers represent the power company, but also are part of the entire power company.  Through their presence we can conceptualize the power company as a whole.  If they have the power company’s logo on their shirt, well then, we may say they are the power company. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Well, we know that the ancient physical temples were sacred because they signified the presence of God among His people. But more than that, He allowed His Spirit to “fill the Temple” as we see in Solomon’s dedication of the temple he built. (2Chron 5:13,14)   His Spirit also filled the early moveable tabernacle, and He dwelt with His people.  (Exod 25:8)
    It is the same with the anointed as God’s Temple.  Individually, they are the temple, since their heart is the home/ dwelling of God’s Spirit. (John 14:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom 8:9,11) But, as “living stones” they also together, are part of and represent the entire Temple. (1 Pet 2:Eph 2:22; Heb 3:6)
    In the Kingdom of God, His Spirit will “dwell” with mankind again, but through the anointed/Bride and Jesus Christ.  The symbolic "144,000" can be compared to mobile tabernacles carrying the Spirit and knowledge of God; but joined together, they are “New Jerusalem/Zion/Temple of God with Jesus Christ.   (Rev 22:3; 7:15)
    Elders will not be representing New Jerusalem on earth.  They represent an earthly organization, not the Temple of God.  This organization will not exist in the Kingdom. (Isa 43:21,10; 1 Pet 2:5,10)   It will be the anointed  - a “new creation”, both spirit and human, who with Jesus their “husband”,  will bring the Spirit and knowledge from God, to earth. (1 Cor 5:17; Gen 28:12; John 1:51) (John 16:28; Heb 1:6) (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; Heb 1:14; Rev 22:17)   
     Didn’t Jesus do just that when on earth?  He brought the Spirit of God and wisdom of His word, to mankind.  He will do that again in the Kingdom. 
    I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
    “See, the tent of God is among humans!
        He will make his home with them,
            and they will be his people.
    God himself will be with them,
        and he will be their God. “
     
    I.“tent” -
    “tent, tabernacle,
    of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built
     
    I don’t know if this helps with the connection, but as an example…there are over 60 power poles that must be replaced between where we live and the next small village because of the forest fire that just occurred.   Upon seeing employees working on the lines, one could easily say, the power company is here.  The individual workers represent the power company, but also are part of the entire power company.  Through their presence we can conceptualize the power company as a whole.  If they have the power company’s logo on their shirt, well then, we may say they are the power company. 
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Very true. There are some additional aspects that we can consider about the baptism and anointing of Jesus.  In Israel, the traditional pattern was that a prophet anointed the new ruling king with literal oil which signified God’s spirit upon the chosen one.   
    Elijah the prophet anointed Jehu (as well as a foreign king) – 1 Kings 19:15,16 
    Samuel anointed David – 1 Kings 16:13
    …and Saul – 1 Sam 10:1
    In 1 Sam 16:14 and 18:12, it tells us that God’s spirit “departed from Saul”, showing that the anointing earlier witnessed, was most definitely the sign for people to understand that God had chosen them through His Spirit.
    So, Jesus complied with the need for his people to be repentant for their sins through baptism; but also, John’s presence as a prophet when the heavens opened to reveal the Spirit descending upon Jesus, confirms his anointing happened during that same time. 
     
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    Witness reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God:
    “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4
    The temple are the anointed:
    “Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16
    By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.
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    Witness reacted to JW Insider in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    As soon as I saw this on the 21st, I wrote a response that disappeared just as I was about to "Submit Reply." I figured that it was probably a bad sign that my computer touchpad was jumping the cursor all over the place, but it was probably a good sign that I shouldn't keep writing 3 page responses to a simple question. So I didn't try to rewrite it, and went on to other things.
    To my surprise, I came back here today and see that @Witness gave nearly the exact response that I had written. I even gave that response of hers an upvote, and I even agree with much that is in the second response she gave right after it.
    (Luke 3:21, 22) . . .Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22 and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (Luke 4:1) . . .Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness (Luke 4:17, 18) . . .So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor.. . . Then I had added a few additional verses, starting with:
    (Acts 10:37, 38) . . .starting from Galʹi·lee after the baptism that John preached: 38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing . . .
    (Hebrews 1:5-9) . . .For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? . . . 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
    Along with this, to help explain the context in Hebrews, I had added that the expression "You are my son, today I have become your father," was a formulaic expression for the anointing of kings like David and Solomon. This is clearly how Hebrews 1 is using it with the idea of the throne and scepter and the obeisance and "his Kingdom" -- "that is why . . . God anointed" him. 
    @Witness had gone directly to Psalm 45:7 which Hebrews quotes from and then used some of the same additional scriptures about the anointing of kings.
    @Witness went a little further on this point and added the priests to the equation and therefore tied in later scriptures in Hebrews (and Revelation, etc.) about how the kingdom is also a priesthood, which I had not thought to mention. But Hebrews happens to tie the priestly appointing (anointing) as part of the same event when Jehovah said at Jesus' baptism: "You are my son, today..."
    (Hebrews 5:1-6) . . .For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in their behalf over the things relating to God, so that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. . . . . 4 A man does not take this honor of his own accord, but he receives it only when he is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” 6 As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.”
    Also, you will notice that the article @Anna posted from the Aid book contains several of the same points that Witness made.
    The one point I take some exception too, @Patiently waiting for Truth, is that you have made more of the specific timing as if it is the most important thing to get out of this. And you may have "summoned" my take on this because you know that I will agree that it indicates the Kingdom did not start in 1914. I agree that it doesn't. But this doesn't mean we need to focus on exactly when Jesus was appointed as King or Priest, or when the Kingdom started, or when he was "King-Designate." Recall that David was anointed (by Samuel) before he became King, and that he was hailed as King by his early followers before he was officially made King after Saul's death.
    Specific timing of appointments and titles is not the importance of scripture to us today. It's the "fact" of Jesus' appointment to the "offices" of king and priest and mediator and his own sacrifice as a ransom payment for sin. Is it wrong to say Jesus was born king? Or what about the prophet Simeon?
    (Matthew 2:2) . . .“Where is the one born king of the Jews? . . .
    (Luke 2:25-32) . . .And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. 26 Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, 28 he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: 29 “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, 30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation 31 that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, 32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”
    I'll fall back on the argument that even if Jesus wasn't yet officially "anointed" ("Christ") at birth, he was designated ("appointed") to this purpose and this meant it was as good as accomplished for those who have faith in the fulfillment of Jehovah's purpose.
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This cursor jumping has happened to me many times over the last few years as well as all sorts of strange computer difficulties.  I figure it is demonic intervention, since Satan would rather squelch any truth about his enemy, Jesus Christ.  
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Then Pilate said to him, “So then you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I have come into the world: in order that I can testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”   John 18:38
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    Witness got a reaction from JW Insider in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Then Pilate said to him, “So then you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I have come into the world: in order that I can testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”   John 18:38
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Then Pilate said to him, “So then you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I have come into the world: in order that I can testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”   John 18:38
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    Witness got a reaction from JW Insider in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Correction, this should be 1 Cor 2:6-10
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Joel 3:14 - Multitudes, multitudes
        in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near
        in the valley of decision.
    We know that God isn't talking about a literal valley called "decision" in the last days.  We must "decide" within our heart what to choose - truth or lies -  life in Christ, or death in the darkness of Satan's "world".  
    "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"  Deut 3:19
     
    One war, we will physically see.  That one is Satan’s diversion from the spiritual war at hand – the vital war to note. Although war began when Adam and Eve chose to listen to the lie, (Gen 3:15) the symbolic book of Revelation (Rev 1:1) explains what the culmination of this war is.  It is the war against those “kings” in Christ, and those who have left him to serve the father of the LIE. (John 8:44)  They have broken their covenant with God by tolerating falsehoods spoken from the mouths of false prophets and a powerful organization that rules over them. (Isa 28:15; Hos 8:1; 4:6)  (Matt 24:24, 15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3)  They are spiritual harlots.  (Hos 4:12;6:10; Rev 17:3-8)
    This is hostility between covenants and their “seed”, one of life in Jesus Christ and one of death under the Destroyer. (Gen 3:15; Rev 12:17) Armageddon involves the “kings of the earth” – which means those who will be found faithful, and those who have transgressed their covenant in Christ.  That’s what’s important to notice!  It doesn’t involve the political kings of the world.
    Rev 1:5 explains that the kings of the earth are Christ’s kings.  (Rev 5:9,10)                                                  Rev 6:15; 16:14; 17:2; 17:18; 18:3; 18:9; 19:19; 21:24 then continues to describe the war involving his faithful kings and the unfaithful kings - https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=kings+of+the+earth&begin=73&end=73
    These scriptures give the essence of the end battle of Armageddon:
    Rev 16:13-16 – “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
    16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.”
    You’ve always said, the Bible was written for the anointed.  Well, that includes the battle of Armageddon, but I say it is written about the anointed, and those with them who must heed the meaning of Revelation in the last days. (Rev 18:4-8)
    What comes out of the mouth of false prophets, but lies?  The two Beasts of Revelation work together; the false prophet directs the Beast from the Sea, that rises up from the wicked. (Isa 17:12-14; 57:20,21) Under the direction of governing leaders, this Beast “makes war with the saints.”  (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,11,12,15)
    The war includes JWs with them, those of the “whole world”.  It is based on one’s decision to listen to truth, or to listen to lies coming from the mouths of these “kings”.   
     Yes, knowing that Satan has a short period of time left, (Rev 12:12) he will devise a military diversion tactic from the most important war at hand – the spiritual war. (1 Pet 5:8; 2 Cor 10:4; Eph 6:11; 1 John 4:4) We see what the governing leadership has always concentrated on – the world’s politics, military conflict and a literal “king of the north”. They put the blame continually on Christendom’s sins.  That takes the heat off of what “trampling” is happening to God’s saints in the organization. (Dan 11:31-45)  This lying tactic has been very successful.  God’s holy people are under a “spell” – but it is their choice, their decision to remain with it. (1 Tim 4:1) Only by God reading our hearts and bestowing His grace to see us safely out, can one survive.  (Isa 42:16; Rev 16:12; Rom 8:19)
     Our hearts are sealed by our decision to search for justice and truth, or to love the lie.  (2 Thess 2:9-12)  Only a remnant of the anointed will be found to escape this trap – only a remnant of JWs who leaves Satan’s darkness, turn to Christ.  That has always been the case with God’s people when they have transgressed His decrees.  (Rom 9:27-29; Rev 11:1-3,7-10)
     You’ve entered the “valley of decision” and have decided to reject lies.  You have cut yourself off from false teachers and are looking for truth to be spoken through faithful anointed.  You have “come out of her” (Rev 18:4) where spiritual harlots sit on “many waters”, which are poisoned teachings and those who drink them up. (Rev 8;10,11; 17:15) Their defense is to call the faithful, the apostates. D. Splane’s latest talk to be available on the website this coming week, is about apostate “teachers” with “poisoned teachings”.  The GB, who obviously endorse lies, are fighting back with the faithful anointed ones very words used against them. 
    Can you see how this is war against “kings” and what comes out of their mouths?
    God is not the destroyer.  He can pass the decree that destruction is to take place, and He can also limit destruction as we see in the example of Job.  We also see that it was Satan who came against Job; and it will be Satan in his rage, who destroys the “earth”, until God says enough is enough. (Dan 7:26-28)   Satan is raging against the anointed in Christ, NOW.  I can’t even describe the extent, the destruction that Satan has caused in my physical life since leaving the organization.  Presently, I am evacuated from my home because of fires that are being held up as lack of diligence on the forest service’s part. They will face litigation.  But the house still stands despite all incredible odds.  God knows just how much we can tolerate, as in Job’s case. 
    The primary war at hand is Satan’s lust to destroy the “woman’s seed”; both those faithful and those in his trap such as you were in, where he has “surrounded” them.  Rev 20:7-9  A literal war in Satan’s world could last for years and years and never give “birth” to Kingdom. (Job 14:4) What does bring the Kingdom, is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promise in the faithful, cleansed, anointed remnant and the completion of the Temple of God in Christ.  (Zech 4:6,7; Mal 3:1-5)  
     Do JWs realize this?  No, they believe their organization will survive a physical onslaught and be present in the Kingdom of God, its buildings included.  Their view is totally physical. Notice in 1 Cor 6:6-10 who the "rulers" were that could not perceive the spiritual wisdom of God, and who killed Jesus Christ.  Today's "rulers" "kill"/disfellowship the faithful anointed in Christ - men who have no spiritual wisdom.  
    JWs believe they are “safe” without even noticing the trampling of God’s priesthood under the covenant “woman” which is being attacked. (1 Thess 5:3; Rev 12:1-5)
     God removes His spiritual protection from those who refuse to turn back to Him, and Satan is allowed to  step in.  This is how the nation of Israel suffered when sinning and committing idolatry. 
    We also have evidence of who did the destroying, brought the plagues, and killed the firstborn in Egypt.  
    “He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.”  Ps 78:49
    “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer (meaning “grant”) the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.”  Exod 12:23
     
    The Kingdom will not arrive until the “harvest” of the sons of God is complete – the harvest of those in Christ who are faithful, and the harvest of the weeds that face condemnation by God’s Word. (Matt 13:24-39) Any person who has lived, and anyone on the earth right now, both the good and the bad, will be judged by the Father in righteousness.  That, we leave up to God. 
    What’s important for JWs, is their decision to either continue to listen to the lies that their leaders tell them, or to search out truth that Christ is providing – outside of the apostate city. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15) That truth, is the understanding of Revelation – the “wedding banquet of the Lamb”.  (Matt 22:1-14; 25:1-13)    We know that the temple in the anointed has been “given over to the Gentiles”/elders.  Yet, the GB somehow say the “temple” of 2 Thess 2:3,4 being trampled, is some sort of literal holy place…where, the UN and Christendom is involved?  It specifically states in 2 Thess 2:3,4, that it is God’s temple being dominated/trampled.   On the other hand, they tell every JW that they ARE NOW the spiritual temple.   This is confusion from conniving false teachers, that I believe are preparing to produce “new light” about 2 Thess 2:3,4.  If all JWs are taught now as God’s Temple, how easily they can then point to a physical nation coming against JWs, as the “man of lawlessness”.    Blasphemy.   
    As far as the earth being ruined?  It can be applied in a few ways: The first “earth” being ruined is God’s land/His dwelling in the hearts of the anointed, by the man of lawlessness who has trampled down His dwelling place/temple in the anointed.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3  Revelation speaks of the great locust scorpion army/elder body that afflicts God’s unsealed anointed.  Notice what it says,
    “They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.”  These elements of the earth can refer to people, to JWs.  Every person in the organization who stands against the elder army are afflicted.  (Rev 9:1-6)
    Yet any destruction of the literal earth by the destroyer, will be restored to life.  What is the primary destruction that Christ will cause?  He will destroy death.  (1 Cor 15:26; Rev 20:10,14,15).  When Christ returns, the man of lawlessness is destroyed by the “breath of his mouth”, the Word of God, which is like “fire”.  ( 2 Thess 2:8; Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10,14,15)
    God’s Word is the judge.  He can surrender us to perish under the covenant of death; or we are protected under the covenant of “life” in Jesus Christ, even if we lose our physical life. (John 1:4; 10:10; 6:58)
    “Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.”  Isa 33:1
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/when-is-satans-short-period-of-time.html
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Exactly.  I just had a few more thoughts
    At the anointing of God's priests, they become the “dwelling” of God’s Spirit:
    1 Cor 3:16 - Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
    That sounds similar to your scripture in Luke17:21, doesn’t it? 
     “nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[a]
    [a] –   “is within you”
    Jesus was talking not only to those disciples who would enter into the covenant with him, but this message was for the future, for the arrival of the Kingdom.  Because the anointed are part of the Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) under the New Covenant, New Jerusalem (Gal 4:26) – the Kingdom/dwelling of God is within their hearts. 
    KJV 1 Cor 3:16 –“ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    So, what do we see God’s holy people looking for, while in the Wt?  They are looking for literal signs of the birth of the Kingdom. But, Jesus is specifically saying the coming of the kingdom “is not something that can be observed”.  THEY, God’s saints, are the kingdom, as Jesus is, but they are falling for lies.  Only if they remove themselves from this trap of “empty philosophy”, will God’s spirit continue to dwell in their hearts.(Luke 21:20; Matt 24:3,24,25,4,5,9-11,13,21; Dan 12:1,4; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  
    They must wake up and submit fully to Jesus Christ, in repentance, (Mal 3:1-4) and get out from under the rule of a wicked slave and “uncircumcised” “Gentiles”.  (Isa 52:1; Dan 8:11,12,17; Matt 24:15,16,48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; 3:16;18:4-8; 1 Pet 2:6; Rev 3:17,18) 
    The battle of Armageddon takes place within each one of us, not on the playground of Satan. It involves our choice of either truth or lies. 
    (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
     (Isa 43:8,9; Dan 7:22; Matt 25:9,10; 1 Cor 11:18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 7:20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A8%2C9%3B+Dan+7%3A22%3B+Matt+25%3A9%2C10%3B+1+Cor+11%3A18%2C19%3B+Mal+3%3A18%3B+Matt+7%3A20&version=NIV
    So you see, people are saying, and have been saying for quite awhile, that the kingdom is within the hearts of the anointed priests of God.  Luke 17:21  
     
    https://pearl-sign.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Dmitar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Joel 3:14 - Multitudes, multitudes
        in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near
        in the valley of decision.
    We know that God isn't talking about a literal valley called "decision" in the last days.  We must "decide" within our heart what to choose - truth or lies -  life in Christ, or death in the darkness of Satan's "world".  
    "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live"  Deut 3:19
     
    One war, we will physically see.  That one is Satan’s diversion from the spiritual war at hand – the vital war to note. Although war began when Adam and Eve chose to listen to the lie, (Gen 3:15) the symbolic book of Revelation (Rev 1:1) explains what the culmination of this war is.  It is the war against those “kings” in Christ, and those who have left him to serve the father of the LIE. (John 8:44)  They have broken their covenant with God by tolerating falsehoods spoken from the mouths of false prophets and a powerful organization that rules over them. (Isa 28:15; Hos 8:1; 4:6)  (Matt 24:24, 15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3)  They are spiritual harlots.  (Hos 4:12;6:10; Rev 17:3-8)
    This is hostility between covenants and their “seed”, one of life in Jesus Christ and one of death under the Destroyer. (Gen 3:15; Rev 12:17) Armageddon involves the “kings of the earth” – which means those who will be found faithful, and those who have transgressed their covenant in Christ.  That’s what’s important to notice!  It doesn’t involve the political kings of the world.
    Rev 1:5 explains that the kings of the earth are Christ’s kings.  (Rev 5:9,10)                                                  Rev 6:15; 16:14; 17:2; 17:18; 18:3; 18:9; 19:19; 21:24 then continues to describe the war involving his faithful kings and the unfaithful kings - https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=kings+of+the+earth&begin=73&end=73
    These scriptures give the essence of the end battle of Armageddon:
    Rev 16:13-16 – “And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
    16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.”
    You’ve always said, the Bible was written for the anointed.  Well, that includes the battle of Armageddon, but I say it is written about the anointed, and those with them who must heed the meaning of Revelation in the last days. (Rev 18:4-8)
    What comes out of the mouth of false prophets, but lies?  The two Beasts of Revelation work together; the false prophet directs the Beast from the Sea, that rises up from the wicked. (Isa 17:12-14; 57:20,21) Under the direction of governing leaders, this Beast “makes war with the saints.”  (Rev 13:1,2,4-7,11,12,15)
    The war includes JWs with them, those of the “whole world”.  It is based on one’s decision to listen to truth, or to listen to lies coming from the mouths of these “kings”.   
     Yes, knowing that Satan has a short period of time left, (Rev 12:12) he will devise a military diversion tactic from the most important war at hand – the spiritual war. (1 Pet 5:8; 2 Cor 10:4; Eph 6:11; 1 John 4:4) We see what the governing leadership has always concentrated on – the world’s politics, military conflict and a literal “king of the north”. They put the blame continually on Christendom’s sins.  That takes the heat off of what “trampling” is happening to God’s saints in the organization. (Dan 11:31-45)  This lying tactic has been very successful.  God’s holy people are under a “spell” – but it is their choice, their decision to remain with it. (1 Tim 4:1) Only by God reading our hearts and bestowing His grace to see us safely out, can one survive.  (Isa 42:16; Rev 16:12; Rom 8:19)
     Our hearts are sealed by our decision to search for justice and truth, or to love the lie.  (2 Thess 2:9-12)  Only a remnant of the anointed will be found to escape this trap – only a remnant of JWs who leaves Satan’s darkness, turn to Christ.  That has always been the case with God’s people when they have transgressed His decrees.  (Rom 9:27-29; Rev 11:1-3,7-10)
     You’ve entered the “valley of decision” and have decided to reject lies.  You have cut yourself off from false teachers and are looking for truth to be spoken through faithful anointed.  You have “come out of her” (Rev 18:4) where spiritual harlots sit on “many waters”, which are poisoned teachings and those who drink them up. (Rev 8;10,11; 17:15) Their defense is to call the faithful, the apostates. D. Splane’s latest talk to be available on the website this coming week, is about apostate “teachers” with “poisoned teachings”.  The GB, who obviously endorse lies, are fighting back with the faithful anointed ones very words used against them. 
    Can you see how this is war against “kings” and what comes out of their mouths?
    God is not the destroyer.  He can pass the decree that destruction is to take place, and He can also limit destruction as we see in the example of Job.  We also see that it was Satan who came against Job; and it will be Satan in his rage, who destroys the “earth”, until God says enough is enough. (Dan 7:26-28)   Satan is raging against the anointed in Christ, NOW.  I can’t even describe the extent, the destruction that Satan has caused in my physical life since leaving the organization.  Presently, I am evacuated from my home because of fires that are being held up as lack of diligence on the forest service’s part. They will face litigation.  But the house still stands despite all incredible odds.  God knows just how much we can tolerate, as in Job’s case. 
    The primary war at hand is Satan’s lust to destroy the “woman’s seed”; both those faithful and those in his trap such as you were in, where he has “surrounded” them.  Rev 20:7-9  A literal war in Satan’s world could last for years and years and never give “birth” to Kingdom. (Job 14:4) What does bring the Kingdom, is the fulfillment of the New Covenant promise in the faithful, cleansed, anointed remnant and the completion of the Temple of God in Christ.  (Zech 4:6,7; Mal 3:1-5)  
     Do JWs realize this?  No, they believe their organization will survive a physical onslaught and be present in the Kingdom of God, its buildings included.  Their view is totally physical. Notice in 1 Cor 6:6-10 who the "rulers" were that could not perceive the spiritual wisdom of God, and who killed Jesus Christ.  Today's "rulers" "kill"/disfellowship the faithful anointed in Christ - men who have no spiritual wisdom.  
    JWs believe they are “safe” without even noticing the trampling of God’s priesthood under the covenant “woman” which is being attacked. (1 Thess 5:3; Rev 12:1-5)
     God removes His spiritual protection from those who refuse to turn back to Him, and Satan is allowed to  step in.  This is how the nation of Israel suffered when sinning and committing idolatry. 
    We also have evidence of who did the destroying, brought the plagues, and killed the firstborn in Egypt.  
    “He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.”  Ps 78:49
    “For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer (meaning “grant”) the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.”  Exod 12:23
     
    The Kingdom will not arrive until the “harvest” of the sons of God is complete – the harvest of those in Christ who are faithful, and the harvest of the weeds that face condemnation by God’s Word. (Matt 13:24-39) Any person who has lived, and anyone on the earth right now, both the good and the bad, will be judged by the Father in righteousness.  That, we leave up to God. 
    What’s important for JWs, is their decision to either continue to listen to the lies that their leaders tell them, or to search out truth that Christ is providing – outside of the apostate city. (John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 13:15) That truth, is the understanding of Revelation – the “wedding banquet of the Lamb”.  (Matt 22:1-14; 25:1-13)    We know that the temple in the anointed has been “given over to the Gentiles”/elders.  Yet, the GB somehow say the “temple” of 2 Thess 2:3,4 being trampled, is some sort of literal holy place…where, the UN and Christendom is involved?  It specifically states in 2 Thess 2:3,4, that it is God’s temple being dominated/trampled.   On the other hand, they tell every JW that they ARE NOW the spiritual temple.   This is confusion from conniving false teachers, that I believe are preparing to produce “new light” about 2 Thess 2:3,4.  If all JWs are taught now as God’s Temple, how easily they can then point to a physical nation coming against JWs, as the “man of lawlessness”.    Blasphemy.   
    As far as the earth being ruined?  It can be applied in a few ways: The first “earth” being ruined is God’s land/His dwelling in the hearts of the anointed, by the man of lawlessness who has trampled down His dwelling place/temple in the anointed.  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3  Revelation speaks of the great locust scorpion army/elder body that afflicts God’s unsealed anointed.  Notice what it says,
    “They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.”  These elements of the earth can refer to people, to JWs.  Every person in the organization who stands against the elder army are afflicted.  (Rev 9:1-6)
    Yet any destruction of the literal earth by the destroyer, will be restored to life.  What is the primary destruction that Christ will cause?  He will destroy death.  (1 Cor 15:26; Rev 20:10,14,15).  When Christ returns, the man of lawlessness is destroyed by the “breath of his mouth”, the Word of God, which is like “fire”.  ( 2 Thess 2:8; Jer 23:29; Rev 20:10,14,15)
    God’s Word is the judge.  He can surrender us to perish under the covenant of death; or we are protected under the covenant of “life” in Jesus Christ, even if we lose our physical life. (John 1:4; 10:10; 6:58)
    “Woe to you, destroyer, you who have not been destroyed! Woe to you, betrayer, you who have not been betrayed! When you stop destroying, you will be destroyed; when you stop betraying, you will be betrayed.”  Isa 33:1
     
    https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/when-is-satans-short-period-of-time.html
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Exactly.  I just had a few more thoughts
    At the anointing of God's priests, they become the “dwelling” of God’s Spirit:
    1 Cor 3:16 - Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
    That sounds similar to your scripture in Luke17:21, doesn’t it? 
     “nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[a]
    [a] –   “is within you”
    Jesus was talking not only to those disciples who would enter into the covenant with him, but this message was for the future, for the arrival of the Kingdom.  Because the anointed are part of the Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) under the New Covenant, New Jerusalem (Gal 4:26) – the Kingdom/dwelling of God is within their hearts. 
    KJV 1 Cor 3:16 –“ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    So, what do we see God’s holy people looking for, while in the Wt?  They are looking for literal signs of the birth of the Kingdom. But, Jesus is specifically saying the coming of the kingdom “is not something that can be observed”.  THEY, God’s saints, are the kingdom, as Jesus is, but they are falling for lies.  Only if they remove themselves from this trap of “empty philosophy”, will God’s spirit continue to dwell in their hearts.(Luke 21:20; Matt 24:3,24,25,4,5,9-11,13,21; Dan 12:1,4; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  
    They must wake up and submit fully to Jesus Christ, in repentance, (Mal 3:1-4) and get out from under the rule of a wicked slave and “uncircumcised” “Gentiles”.  (Isa 52:1; Dan 8:11,12,17; Matt 24:15,16,48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; 3:16;18:4-8; 1 Pet 2:6; Rev 3:17,18) 
    The battle of Armageddon takes place within each one of us, not on the playground of Satan. It involves our choice of either truth or lies. 
    (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
     (Isa 43:8,9; Dan 7:22; Matt 25:9,10; 1 Cor 11:18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 7:20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A8%2C9%3B+Dan+7%3A22%3B+Matt+25%3A9%2C10%3B+1+Cor+11%3A18%2C19%3B+Mal+3%3A18%3B+Matt+7%3A20&version=NIV
    So you see, people are saying, and have been saying for quite awhile, that the kingdom is within the hearts of the anointed priests of God.  Luke 17:21  
     
    https://pearl-sign.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
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    Witness got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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