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There is one Rock, one Fortress - the Almighty God and His Son, who works alongside Him.  (Ps 18:2)  They together, are the only Rock that we are admonished  to put faith in. (Col 2:9)  So far, I don't see many on this forum who have left the organization, not accepting this fact.  
To say that leaving the congregation/organization of JWs equates to leaving "Jehovah", shows a spiritual, mental gap, a lack of spiritual knowledge to have reached one's heart.  And that gap is quite large.  This creates both mental and spiritual instability - mental and spiritual "health problems", that can lead to one's downfall.  (Matt 7:24-27)
 Without using God's Word to support a claim that leaving the Wt. is the same as leaving God, shows the accusation up as a falsehood.  If a JW cannot make the distinction, the clear dividing line between God and an earthly, worldly corporation, then that JW and their comrades included, are idolaters.  (Col 2:8)  It is hypocrisy to say that God has chosen their organization over any other religious organization, when all are dependent on the same  resources that the world offers, to make their organization live and grow.  
To project that the organization of men is a "fortress", and belongs to God, is blasphemy.  And yes, the governing leaders do expect that what they have built, be upheld as "divine". (Rev 13:15)  
 It defies the only Temple/fortress God has sanctioned with His Holy Spirit.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 5:9,10; Rev 21:22-27) 
Only one, will be blessed and "inhabited" by God in His Kingdom.  (2 Cor 6:16; Gal 4:26; Rev 21:2-4)
Any who leave the Wt are "apostates" according to the doctrine of men, not according to God's Word.  
Jer 17:5  This is what the LORD says: Cursed is the person who trusts in mankind. He makes human flesh his strength, and his heart turns from the LORD.
 
 

It would be interesting to hear your opinion of what these two words mean.
Troll and Apostate.
Do you repeat this rubbish to try to reasure yourself that you beleive it ?  
But in reality you are upset that some of us are sensible people that have prayed to God through Christ and have been given a basic understanding of scripture so that we can prove how sinful and immoral the GB and it's multi organisations are. You are so upset that you have to keep repeating to yourself that we are 'crazy' 'dodos' 'hate OCD' 'venom'.  You need to keep saying these words to yourself, just as Arauna does, because it then stops you seeing the truth about your GB and the Orgs..
However, if God wishes it to happen, then some who come here will find truth.  
 

It seems any JW can be persuaded by the GB that the GB are the F&DS.
And it seems that any JW can be persuaded by their GB that 'God and Christ trust the GB'. 
So yes it does seem that people can be persuaded by the Devil. 
Quote "ALL !!!!!forums are the playground of the demons Anna"
If you truely believe this then why are you here ?   
I think disfellowshipping some people has caused them to commit suicide.  And the threats in the Watchtower mags over the years must have caused mental health problems for many. And ordering parents not to speak to d/fed children, and wives not to speak to d/fed husbands. You think all that instruction is from God ? Jesus said "Learn what this means 'I want mercy not sacrifice'". 
When an Elder phones my wife and tells my wife I was disfellowshipped. But my wife knows the truth, that i left the Org because of the immorality CSA in the Org earthwide. So my wife puts the Elder straight and the Elder replies, "It's all the same to us".  Think on that. That Elder is condemning me to death, because the Org teaches that 'You have to be a baptised JW to be saved'
This forum is very tame in comparrison. 

As a Christian and a lover of God and Christ, I forgive you. I forgive Tom and Thinking also.
 
 

Does this exposition on the definitions of some words, mean that it is (not) quite normal for JW members to so readily accept the changed definitions in so many GB teachings, which have taken on new meanings in relation to the original ones? Because you say yourself: One way is simply refuse to accept it.

WE agree then that people have 'hurt' Almighty God by working against the Holy Spirit.
The ones that did so are the ones that told the Anointed 'not to gather together for prayer or Bible study' Those ones also told the Anointed that the Anointed would be 'working against the Holy Spirit'. 
Those ones also say they are the F&DS and they falsely boast that God and Christ trust them. 
Yes, it quite to clear to see who have insulted Almighty God and Jesus Christ. It is your GB and their helpers.

Yes, and there doesn’t have to be a contradiction to the scientific understanding of stars, if Mr. Flodin understood the spiritual meaning of the stars in the scriptures.  He used,
Neh 9:6- You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
He said it referred the multitudes as the holy angels of God.  Well, angels are messengers. (Greek meaning) God’s messengers of the New Covenant under Jesus Christ, are the anointed. (Mal 2:7; Heb 1:14)  This can refer to those sealed symbolic “144,000” "angels" who are of “heaven”.
“But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.”  Heb 12:23,24
They are also, the “stars” found in many scriptures.
Phil 2:14,15 -  ’Do everything without grumbling and arguing, so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world, by holding firm to the word of life. Then I can boast in the day of Christ that I didn’t run or labor for nothing.
 This following scripture is used by the other David Attenborough, in their illustrious presentation of the stars in the universe (I have heard a few people elsewhere noticing Wt’s choice to pick a close second to the original David. Couldn’t that be called a suggestive cheap trick?)
“He determines the number of the stars
    and calls them each by name.
Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
    his understanding has no limit.”  Ps 147:4,5
If He can number every hair on our head, of course He knows the number of literal stars present at any given time in the heavens. But, doesn’t it make more sense that God is “calling” a person by name, whom He compares to the stars in heaven?  Rom 1:1,6,7; Rev `17:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+1%3A1%2C6%2C7%3B+Rev+`17%3A14+&version=NKJV
To Abraham, he said - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”  Gen 15;5  (Gen 26:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? (The anointed are also, God’s “land” - 1 Cor 3:9-11) 
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements? 
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it? (Zech 2:1,2; Isa 28:17; Rev 11:1)
6 To what were its foundations fastened?  (Prov 9:1; 1 Tim 3:15; Rev 3:12)
Or who laid its cornerstone, (Isa 28:16; Matt 21:42; 1 Pet 2:4-8)
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Eph 2:19-22; Gal 3:26-29; Rev 19:1)
Jesus is the morning star. (Rev 22:16) If the anointed remain attached to the vine of light and truth, they also will shine like the stars in his right hand.  (Matt 5:14,15; John 15:4; Rev 1:20)
I can't believe the Wt. teaches that the elders are those stars in Rev 1:20.  How blasphemous.  Actually, I can believe it.
Eph 2:6 – “He also raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus”
“Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.”  Dan 12:3
But, the governing leaders won’t appreciate or share the spiritual symbolism of God’s stars, sun, moon and earth.  Instead, these fallen “star”/ leaders (Rev 8:10,11) are responsible for releasing their army to “trample” these stars/anointed under the feet of the “man of lawlessness”/elder body. (Rev 9:1-4,7-11; 2 Thess 2:1-4)
Dan 8:9 describes this man of sin as a “little horn” that emerges from the head of the Beast/organization of Rev 13:1,2.  It “grew exceedingly great” toward the “Beautiful Land”. (Joel 1:6; 2:3; Joel 3:2) Of course, that “land”, is another illustrative term describing God’s anointed under covenant – His “special possession” where His spirit dwells in each of their hearts.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  The elder body’s presence supersedes that of the anointed priesthood/Temple of God. 
“And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.”  Dan 8:10  (Rev 12:4)
“Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; *But he shall be broken without human means*.”  Dan 8:25
 "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 
8 *And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.*   2 Thess 2:4,8 
It is a quite the cunning trick to speak about the rebellion of Korah who desired to secure the priesthood, and without skipping a beat, turn around and say, “representing the royal priesthood is the elder body….rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!”
 
Who is the Fallen "Star" of Rev 12:4?
 
 

Yes, and there doesn’t have to be a contradiction to the scientific understanding of stars, if Mr. Flodin understood the spiritual meaning of the stars in the scriptures.  He used,
Neh 9:6- You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
He said it referred the multitudes as the holy angels of God.  Well, angels are messengers. (Greek meaning) God’s messengers of the New Covenant under Jesus Christ, are the anointed. (Mal 2:7; Heb 1:14)  This can refer to those sealed symbolic “144,000” "angels" who are of “heaven”.
“But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.”  Heb 12:23,24
They are also, the “stars” found in many scriptures.
Phil 2:14,15 -  ’Do everything without grumbling and arguing, so that you may be blameless and pure, children of God who are faultless in a crooked and perverted generation, among whom you shine like stars in the world, by holding firm to the word of life. Then I can boast in the day of Christ that I didn’t run or labor for nothing.
 This following scripture is used by the other David Attenborough, in their illustrious presentation of the stars in the universe (I have heard a few people elsewhere noticing Wt’s choice to pick a close second to the original David. Couldn’t that be called a suggestive cheap trick?)
“He determines the number of the stars
    and calls them each by name.
Great is our Lord and mighty in power;
    his understanding has no limit.”  Ps 147:4,5
If He can number every hair on our head, of course He knows the number of literal stars present at any given time in the heavens. But, doesn’t it make more sense that God is “calling” a person by name, whom He compares to the stars in heaven?  Rom 1:1,6,7; Rev `17:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Rom+1%3A1%2C6%2C7%3B+Rev+`17%3A14+&version=NKJV
To Abraham, he said - Then He brought him outside and said, “Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.” And He said to him, “So shall your descendants be.”  Gen 15;5  (Gen 26:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? (The anointed are also, God’s “land” - 1 Cor 3:9-11) 
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who determined its measurements? 
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it? (Zech 2:1,2; Isa 28:17; Rev 11:1)
6 To what were its foundations fastened?  (Prov 9:1; 1 Tim 3:15; Rev 3:12)
Or who laid its cornerstone, (Isa 28:16; Matt 21:42; 1 Pet 2:4-8)
7 When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Eph 2:19-22; Gal 3:26-29; Rev 19:1)
Jesus is the morning star. (Rev 22:16) If the anointed remain attached to the vine of light and truth, they also will shine like the stars in his right hand.  (Matt 5:14,15; John 15:4; Rev 1:20)
I can't believe the Wt. teaches that the elders are those stars in Rev 1:20.  How blasphemous.  Actually, I can believe it.
Eph 2:6 – “He also raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavens in Christ Jesus”
“Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.”  Dan 12:3
But, the governing leaders won’t appreciate or share the spiritual symbolism of God’s stars, sun, moon and earth.  Instead, these fallen “star”/ leaders (Rev 8:10,11) are responsible for releasing their army to “trample” these stars/anointed under the feet of the “man of lawlessness”/elder body. (Rev 9:1-4,7-11; 2 Thess 2:1-4)
Dan 8:9 describes this man of sin as a “little horn” that emerges from the head of the Beast/organization of Rev 13:1,2.  It “grew exceedingly great” toward the “Beautiful Land”. (Joel 1:6; 2:3; Joel 3:2) Of course, that “land”, is another illustrative term describing God’s anointed under covenant – His “special possession” where His spirit dwells in each of their hearts.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  The elder body’s presence supersedes that of the anointed priesthood/Temple of God. 
“And it grew up to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and some of the stars to the ground, and trampled them.”  Dan 8:10  (Rev 12:4)
“Through his cunning He shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule; And he shall exalt himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity. He shall even rise against the Prince of princes; *But he shall be broken without human means*.”  Dan 8:25
 "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God." 
8 *And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.*   2 Thess 2:4,8 
It is a quite the cunning trick to speak about the rebellion of Korah who desired to secure the priesthood, and without skipping a beat, turn around and say, “representing the royal priesthood is the elder body….rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders!”
 
Who is the Fallen "Star" of Rev 12:4?
 
 

AFTERNOON
1:35 Music-Video Presentation
1:45 Song No. 2
1:50 SYMPOSIUM: Use Creation to Build Your Faith
• Stars (Isaiah 40:26) 
“Lift up your eyes to heaven and see.Who has created these things?aIt is the One who brings out their army by number;He calls them all by name.bBecause of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power,cNot one of them is missing.
Kenneth Flodin gave new approach to understanding about stars. So, from the aspect of scientific knowledge, stars have their own lifespan, they are not eternal. The stars “explode” at some point. This is also assumed for our Sun, which will cease to exist in a few billion years.
Now, if God created the stars and gave them names, and none of them ever ceased to exist according to the words of the Bible, then today’s scientific knowledge is incorrect. 
But now Kenneth Flodin appears on the scene, who does not oppose today's science knowledge about/of the stars, already gives a new interpretation of a biblical passage that reconciles it with science. KF does not deny that stars “die”. He does not deny that the stars are “missing”. He comes to a compromise solution between the religious and the scientific.
It provides believers with a satisfactory explanation in which two different and opposing settings can coexist. But he goes further than that. He begins to use this "new explanation of truth" or so called  "beliefs  clarified", to strengthen the believers' hope in the resurrection of the dead.
So, KF summarizes that the star is “dead and missing,” but only in a literal sense. Actually that is an insignificant fact. What is more important is the claim that this star is still alive. And imagine where and how. In God's memory. So, all dead sparrows also live in God's memory. And all the lizards and all the worms, and so on. But to all the happiness and joy of Kenneth and most JWs, God will not deal with the resurrection of stars, sparrows, lizards and worms or our pets, but only with the resurrection of dead people.
We should not enter into God's choice of who will be resurrected and when, but we should certainly be careful when GB introduces a new interpretation of a biblical text/verse that either insufficiently or incorrectly showed "the truth" about the stars in time of Isaiah, or was poorly translated, or misrepresented God's relationship to the stars. Or Isaiah may not have been very inspired as he wrote this line. Or was it just a poetic expression that speaks of the sublimity of God, not that the stars will never disappear (literally or in memory).
This example of the one biblical verse, WTJWorg and our religious or other beliefs that stem from this kind of perception and understanding of the words in the Bible, should be a reason for us to be more careful about what we actually want to believe.
 

Why don't you ask again, and tell the truth about what you hear.    We do Bible study together, we read scriptures together.    When I related your accusation that she does automatic writing - "channeling", she said:  
“Writes down what is given to him?  I don’t do that.  I just hear the scriptures in my mind, look them up and give them to the readers.  Jesus said that the spirit would recall what Jesus said, and that’s what happens.  I receive no direction about what words to write.  Only scripture.  That’s what makes it laborious.  I have to explain how the scriptures fit, if that becomes necessary.  No automatic writing here.  It’s work.” 
 

How absolutely incredible, but very believable, that they have skirted the words of Jesus Christ to validate their spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping,  as well as sending individuals off for physical slaughter, in the name of “Jehovah’s organization”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborand hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48
They have never adopted Christ’s “new wine”.  Matt 9:17. 
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”  2 Pet 3:9
The desire to “hate” is in the Armageddon belief.  It is the believe that God or Jesus will murder everyone whom they “hate” through the most physically disgusting means….yet, they don’t believe in a literal fiery hell – a selling point (of actual truth) in their preaching work. 
The destroyer is Satan, not the Father and not Jesus Christ. 
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  John 10:10
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”  1 Tim 4:1

Then in a vision of the night the mystery was revealed to Daniel; then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel said:
“Let his name, the name of God, be blessed throughout the ages,
    for the wisdom and the power are his.
21 And he changes the times and the seasons,
    and he deposes kings and he sets up kings;
he gives wisdom to wise men
    and knowledge to men who know understanding.
22 He reveals the deep and the hidden things;
    he knows what is in the darkness,
    and the light dwells with him."  Dan chapter 2
I already have. 

 

Well, you didn't answer my question. 
But perhaps you do agree with Gerrit Loesh, since you brought up the great crowd and asked the question, “Would You like to be a Member of the Great Crowd that survives the Last Days?"
You didn’t specify that the great crowd are the sealed anointed priests, who successfully come out of the great tribulation.  Are they not the only ones to serve in the Temple/sanctuary of God?
Num 18:19 – “The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons and your family are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the sanctuary, and you and your sons alone are to bear the responsibility for offenses connected with the priesthood."
"You are to be responsible for the care of the sanctuary and the altar, so that my wrath will not fall on the Israelites again."
"But only you and your sons may serve as priests in connection with everything at the altar and inside the curtain. I am giving you the service of the priesthood as a gift. Anyone else who comes near the sanctuary is to be put to death."
All the offerings of the holy [gifts,] which the sons of Israel offer to the LORD, I have given to you and your sons and your daughters with you, as a permanent allotment. It is a permanent covenant of salt before the LORD to you and your descendants with you."  Num 18:1,5,7, 18
So, Rev 7:13-15 reads:   Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
    will shelter them with his presence.”
Why did you leave out verse 15, showing that it is the sealed anointed “living stones” who serve in the God’s Temple?   They, are the great crowd who successfully come out of the great tribulation. They are the ones who are victorious over the Beast. ( Rev 13:15; 11:1-3,7,11,12; 15:2) This is why they are “great”, “which no man could number” – only God will number them, not a man.  Do you know this, but are afraid to say the GB are wrong about who comprise the great crowd?  Is that why you didn't cite the verse?
Do you believe God would break His covenant with the priesthood ,and allow others to serve Him "in the temple". This isn't a literal temple, since it is built with priestly "living stones", and includes Jesus and the Father.  (1 Pet 2:5,9; Rev 21:22-24) The anointed ARE the Temple/dwelling of God under their Head, High Priest and chief cornerstone.  1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22  They are one in Christ, Christ is one with the Father.  (John 10:30; 17:22,23)
Jer 33:20,21  "This is what the Lord says: ‘If you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night, so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, 21 then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne. "
 Are you an anointed priest?  Shouldn’t we serve/worship God “in spirit and in TRUTH”?  John 4:24
Exod 40:15 - “Anoint them just as you anointed their father, so they may serve me as priests. Their anointing will be to a priesthood that will continue throughout their generations.”
 
Great Crowd Serves in the Temple

I understand that, and its not something that I would tend to dwell on; but I personally feel knowing the manipulating power of Satan, can explain how he uses individuals to do his will.  
This is only the second time that I have visited this video.  Last night I listened the entire episode, skipping through Rick’s comments and a question by a listener about her belief in the trinity.  Whether her mess-up with key words were a Freudian slip, I can’t say, since I have a touch of dyslexia and tend to twist my words around at times.  I was a victim of child abuse..besides dyslexia, perhaps I am guilty of such Freudian slips??  Maybe.   She expressed several times that she was not sexually abused, but treated as a “princess”; which is interesting. since another person who claims to be used by the leaders for automatic writing, said the same thing.  At the last part, Barbara Anderson came in and quizzed her pretty heavily about people, etc.  She said that at the woman’s young age of three when this journey began, the tunnels had not been built.  Later, it could be credible that she was actually led into another “tunnel” off the main tunnel, if that was truly the case.    Barbara said there was a large kitchen with narrow corridors that could have been where the woman was led, when very small.  Barbara also corrected her that her description was not as the woman stated, a case of “SRA”, since it didn’t include horrid acts and details.  Althought the other woman’s account, most certainly did. However, this woman explained that she was “drugged” through her childhood, naming the drugs used and injections given to her by her aunt, which appeared to be administered for no reason.
One comment she made was interesting, she said she wasn’t demon possessed, but demon obsessed.  I could understand that.  When my husband and I were in the organization, our first son at the age of about two, had an “invisible friend”.  He began to talk when he was 1 ½ years, and by two could carry on a conversation with us quite well.  He would tell us what his “friend” was doing; what he liked, and conversations they had together.  We asked what his friend’s name was, he said “Harsha”.  We thought that was a strange choice for a little boy to come up with.   Not until leaving the organization, did I run across this name in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.  When looking up its meaning, I was rather shocked.  It means, “mute”. 

This is her interview.  I listened again to the first hour where she does mention the tunnels and describes the tunnel in detail, that took her to the room where she channeled.   She spoke of many people involved in the automatic writing, perhaps you will recognize those names not so obvious, I only recognize the more prominent ones.    She said her place was to channel the book of Daniel, chapters 11,12.  This woman also mentions the book "Angels And Women" and said her father would read it her when she was small.  
 The other woman, "the first woman"  who I feel may be mentally damaged because of her childhood and the pressure put upon her, has her website posted below the video – Veronica Houston.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JVdBHKTtE
 

Why don't you ask again, and tell the truth about what you hear.    We do Bible study together, we read scriptures together.    When I related your accusation that she does automatic writing - "channeling", she said:  
“Writes down what is given to him?  I don’t do that.  I just hear the scriptures in my mind, look them up and give them to the readers.  Jesus said that the spirit would recall what Jesus said, and that’s what happens.  I receive no direction about what words to write.  Only scripture.  That’s what makes it laborious.  I have to explain how the scriptures fit, if that becomes necessary.  No automatic writing here.  It’s work.” 
 

How absolutely incredible, but very believable, that they have skirted the words of Jesus Christ to validate their spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping,  as well as sending individuals off for physical slaughter, in the name of “Jehovah’s organization”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborand hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48
They have never adopted Christ’s “new wine”.  Matt 9:17. 
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”  2 Pet 3:9
The desire to “hate” is in the Armageddon belief.  It is the believe that God or Jesus will murder everyone whom they “hate” through the most physically disgusting means….yet, they don’t believe in a literal fiery hell – a selling point (of actual truth) in their preaching work. 
The destroyer is Satan, not the Father and not Jesus Christ. 
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  John 10:10
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”  1 Tim 4:1

Why don't you ask again, and tell the truth about what you hear.    We do Bible study together, we read scriptures together.    When I related your accusation that she does automatic writing - "channeling", she said:  
“Writes down what is given to him?  I don’t do that.  I just hear the scriptures in my mind, look them up and give them to the readers.  Jesus said that the spirit would recall what Jesus said, and that’s what happens.  I receive no direction about what words to write.  Only scripture.  That’s what makes it laborious.  I have to explain how the scriptures fit, if that becomes necessary.  No automatic writing here.  It’s work.” 
 

This is her interview.  I listened again to the first hour where she does mention the tunnels and describes the tunnel in detail, that took her to the room where she channeled.   She spoke of many people involved in the automatic writing, perhaps you will recognize those names not so obvious, I only recognize the more prominent ones.    She said her place was to channel the book of Daniel, chapters 11,12.  This woman also mentions the book "Angels And Women" and said her father would read it her when she was small.  
 The other woman, "the first woman"  who I feel may be mentally damaged because of her childhood and the pressure put upon her, has her website posted below the video – Veronica Houston.   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-JVdBHKTtE
 

Why don't you ask again, and tell the truth about what you hear.    We do Bible study together, we read scriptures together.    When I related your accusation that she does automatic writing - "channeling", she said:  
“Writes down what is given to him?  I don’t do that.  I just hear the scriptures in my mind, look them up and give them to the readers.  Jesus said that the spirit would recall what Jesus said, and that’s what happens.  I receive no direction about what words to write.  Only scripture.  That’s what makes it laborious.  I have to explain how the scriptures fit, if that becomes necessary.  No automatic writing here.  It’s work.” 
 

How absolutely incredible, but very believable, that they have skirted the words of Jesus Christ to validate their spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping,  as well as sending individuals off for physical slaughter, in the name of “Jehovah’s organization”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborand hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48
They have never adopted Christ’s “new wine”.  Matt 9:17. 
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”  2 Pet 3:9
The desire to “hate” is in the Armageddon belief.  It is the believe that God or Jesus will murder everyone whom they “hate” through the most physically disgusting means….yet, they don’t believe in a literal fiery hell – a selling point (of actual truth) in their preaching work. 
The destroyer is Satan, not the Father and not Jesus Christ. 
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  John 10:10
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”  1 Tim 4:1

How absolutely incredible, but very believable, that they have skirted the words of Jesus Christ to validate their spiritual “killing”/disfellowshipping,  as well as sending individuals off for physical slaughter, in the name of “Jehovah’s organization”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighborand hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”  Matt 5:43-48
They have never adopted Christ’s “new wine”.  Matt 9:17. 
“The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.”  2 Pet 3:9
The desire to “hate” is in the Armageddon belief.  It is the believe that God or Jesus will murder everyone whom they “hate” through the most physically disgusting means….yet, they don’t believe in a literal fiery hell – a selling point (of actual truth) in their preaching work. 
The destroyer is Satan, not the Father and not Jesus Christ. 
“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.”  John 10:10
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”  1 Tim 4:1

Here’s another one on top of that. This is how JW’s are told to truly feel about us:
“Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."- Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22. - Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420
What does Gods word equate hate to?
“Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” John 3:15
Their very own leadership is telling them to become murderers.

The GB have separated themselves in title and in duties.
The elders have separated themselves in title and in duties.
They each meet as a body, separately from the congregation to address matters each group is assigned to.
The anointed are told they cannot “separate” themselves as a body and meet together to address any matters of teachings.  They have been assigned by God to teach, yet they are prevented from doing so.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  The anointed are under the dominating rule of both the GB and elders.  (Matt 24:48-51)
This oppression of one’s spirituality, of the gift of Holy Spirit that God gave them to use, has no scriptural backing.  On the contrary, it defies God’s word. (2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Cor 3:16,17;  1 Cor 12)

The GB have separated themselves in title and in duties.
The elders have separated themselves in title and in duties.
They each meet as a body, separately from the congregation to address matters each group is assigned to.
The anointed are told they cannot “separate” themselves as a body and meet together to address any matters of teachings.  They have been assigned by God to teach, yet they are prevented from doing so.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  The anointed are under the dominating rule of both the GB and elders.  (Matt 24:48-51)
This oppression of one’s spirituality, of the gift of Holy Spirit that God gave them to use, has no scriptural backing.  On the contrary, it defies God’s word. (2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Cor 3:16,17;  1 Cor 12)