Witness

There are accounts of ritual “channeling” in Fred Franz’ time, in rooms or room branching off the tunnels.   It was through a little girl, and another woman also came forward with her account.  The first woman has been mentally scarred by what she experienced.  One would have to hear her reports and make up their own mind whether they are true or not.

The GB have separated themselves in title and in duties.
The elders have separated themselves in title and in duties.
They each meet as a body, separately from the congregation to address matters each group is assigned to.
The anointed are told they cannot “separate” themselves as a body and meet together to address any matters of teachings.  They have been assigned by God to teach, yet they are prevented from doing so.  (Mal 2:7; 1 Pet 2:5,9)  The anointed are under the dominating rule of both the GB and elders.  (Matt 24:48-51)
This oppression of one’s spirituality, of the gift of Holy Spirit that God gave them to use, has no scriptural backing.  On the contrary, it defies God’s word. (2 Thess 2:1-4; 1 Cor 3:16,17;  1 Cor 12)

Such sarcasm, when you have 8 men whom 8 million people fawn over, and who plead for funds to build their empire.  When you have thousands of elders demanding the attention of 8 million people on zoom meetings.  When your thousands of elders like vultures, gather your "service time" over the years.  Who label you as "inactive" if after 6 months you haven't given them anything. ("oh, did you hear that so-and-so is inactive??") Who will send you  behind closed doors if you begin to say anything public about the 8 men, and their falsehoods, that 8 million people fawn over. 
Sarcasm - has a Greek root - “to tear flesh, bite the lip in rage, sneer.”
You are so good at that, and so is A. Morris.  I wonder how the both of  you sleep at night.  
 
 
 

"All the time" is a bit over the top, but fair enough, I'll amend my previous statement:  
 
To read...
JWs  show David up for his sins; and seldom, if any, for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.

Really?  Maybe you or JWI can tell me the person's name.  No one here knows me personally.  
You've always been good at telling yarns.  🙂

I found this quote from a Wt. when researching,
"Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones!  w15 3/15 p. 8-9
One set of scriptures apparently prove that these false prophets are the faithful and discreet slave.  How thrilling!
 
 “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.  Mal 3:13-18

JWs have this habit of using David and his grave sin, as an example to excuse their leadership’s sins.  With David though, we have his documented expressions of great remorse spoken to God.  We have no expressions of remorse from any Wt. leader, only their examples of either hiding their sins, or making excuses for them.  I find it ironic that past articles in the Wt. will tell the story of a murderer being “saved” by the organization and he is received with open arms into the congregation. Wouldn't this past murderer be the example of repentance and not the example of sin?
Not so, with David.  He is usually shown up for his sins and never for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.  Likewise, the organization keeps a record of sin on all members, yet God in his mercy will forget our sins – only if we come to him in sincere repentance. 
Sinning against the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, has been committed by the organization since Rutherford, possibly before. (Matt 12:31) Ray Franz spoke truth, but he was disfellowshipped – considered dead in the eyes of God. (Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:20) This has happened throughout  Wt’s history to anointed ones who had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts.  Spiritual blood is on the hands of Wt’’s leadership. (Matt 23:33-36; Rev 17:3-6) Jesus spoke truth and he was killed for it, and they said he had a demon. I have been accused of the same thing here. (Matt 10:25)   It is a twisted concept that the leadership is righteous while unrepentant for their sins, yet any anointed priest who stands for truth and exposes lies, is the unrighteous one.  (Mark 3:28-30)
No, God does not consider the sins of a priest (if Russel was anointed) as forgotten, if he is never repentant before God and apologetic for the damage he has done to those whom he has taught.
No matter how much of what appears to be truth that he may have produced, he is still a bad “tree”.  (Matt 7:15-20)
 
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html

Such sarcasm, when you have 8 men whom 8 million people fawn over, and who plead for funds to build their empire.  When you have thousands of elders demanding the attention of 8 million people on zoom meetings.  When your thousands of elders like vultures, gather your "service time" over the years.  Who label you as "inactive" if after 6 months you haven't given them anything. ("oh, did you hear that so-and-so is inactive??") Who will send you  behind closed doors if you begin to say anything public about the 8 men, and their falsehoods, that 8 million people fawn over. 
Sarcasm - has a Greek root - “to tear flesh, bite the lip in rage, sneer.”
You are so good at that, and so is A. Morris.  I wonder how the both of  you sleep at night.  
 
 
 

This is not for “Thinking” as that would be a waste of time.  Divine inspiration and “automatic writing” are two different things.  If Pearl was under the blind influence of demons who used her specifically to perform automatic writing, then why must she continually edit what she writes and fine tune her writing by the addition of more scriptures?  Prophesy is given by God, a gift in the Body of Christ.  (1 Cor 12:28,29)  Just because the GB admit they are not inspired by Holy Spirit, does not mean no one else, is.  Just because the GB continually blow it, in their understanding, doesn't mean God hasn't sent a "faithful" slave to get it right.  By the way, Pearl was also tossed out/disfellowshipped for speaking truth.  
In 2002, the organization referenced the work of the last “Elijah” as the “restoration of pure worship”, a work performed by all JWs in their preaching work. They were called the modern day “Elijah class”. Since then, I see no mention of an “Elijah” appearing in the last days.  If I remember right, they have also dropped assigning themselves as a prophet’s “class”; such as “Ezekiel class”, “Jeremiah class”, etc.  However, this cannot erase the scriptural fact that an “Elijah” does appear before the end.  
And the disciples asked him, saying, “Then why do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 And he answered and said, “Elijah indeed is coming, and will restore all things.”  Matt 17:10
Both the prophet Elijah and John the Baptist were specifically sent to God’s people under covenant.  They were given spiritual perception (as all prophets sent by God,  are given) to declare their sins and acts of idolatry, preaching the need to repent and turn back to God. (Mal 3:1-3; Zech 13:9) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal.3%3A1-3%3B+Zech.13%3A9&version=NIV
The work of the last prophet to come in the spirit and power of “Elijah”, follows a similar pattern as both Elijah and John the Baptist.  This message is also specifically directed to God’s spiritual “Israel”, His priesthood under the New Covenant. (Matt 25:6; Luke 21:36; Rev 8:6; Jer 6:17) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+25%3A6%3B+Luke+21%3A36%3B+Rev+8%3A6%3B+Jer+6%3A17&version=NIV
(Deut 10:8; 18:5; 21:5; 1 Cor 6:2; Heb 8:5; Rev 5:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Mal 2:7) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+10%3A8%3B+18%3A5%3B+21%3A5%3B+1+Cor+6%3A2%3B+Heb+8%3A5%3B+Rev+5%3A10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A5%2C9%3B+Mal+2%3A7&version=NIV
They have failed to serve God, “in spirit and truth”.  (John 4:23,24; Matt 25:25,26; Rev 3:2,3; Matt 25:5,6,7,13; Heb 6:12) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+4%3A23%2C24%3B+Matt+25%3A25%2C26%3B+Rev+3%3A2%2C3%3B+Matt+25%3A5%2C6%2C7%2C13%3B+Heb+6%3A12&version=NIV
 Those residing with them, should also respond to the message (Dan 12:1-3; Zech 8:23; Luke 1:17; Matt 10:40-42; John 7:38; 1 Cor 14:25; Rev 22:17). https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan+12%3A1-3%3B+Zech+8%3A23%3B+Luke+1%3A17%3B+Matt+10%3A40-42%3B+John+7%3A38%3B+1+Cor+14%3A25%3B+Rev+22%3A17&version=NIV
The last “Elijah”, and the inspired message of the last prophet appears among God’s people in the last days.  This trumpet call is for God’s priests of His spiritual Temple to prepare their hearts for the return of Jesus Christ.  (Ezek 33:6;Isa 40:3; Isa 58:1; Joel 2:1; Matt 24:31;25:6; Rev 11:1-3; Rev 22:6)  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek+33%3A6%3BIsa+40%3A3%3B+Isa+58%3A1%3B+Joel+2%3A1%3B+Matt+24%3A31%3B25%3A6%3B+Rev+11%3A1-3%3B+Rev+22%3A6++&version=NIV
As an anointed who has been blessed to see the understanding of the “man of lawlessness”, and Revelation's two beasts; and who declare the sins of “Israel”, she does not harbor a demon.  Again just as Jesus was accused of harboring a demon, obviously, Pearl is also accused of this. 
However, concerning this automatic writing/channeling, an ex-Bethel member has a lot say about it happening in Bethel.  He was given scriptures from Gen 28:10-15 by a "channeler"..  The explanation of those scripture is an evil dichotomy of the truth. Here, is the truth,  http://jacobsladder-obadiah.blogspot.com/
And here is the video.  If the man he spoke to had “notebook after notebook of this stuff”, why does he keep his “knowledge” to himself?  Why doesn't he share it with the GB? 
Or, maybe he does, and that's why they keep blowing it. 
 
 
 
 
 

I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. 
“Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5
Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.

Really?  Maybe you or JWI can tell me the person's name.  No one here knows me personally.  
You've always been good at telling yarns.  🙂

"All the time" is a bit over the top, but fair enough, I'll amend my previous statement:  
 
To read...
JWs  show David up for his sins; and seldom, if any, for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.

This Psalm seems to describe what the outcast, those who turn to Jesus Christ, (Heb 13:13), and perhaps including the victims of abuse and shunning, feel and believe regarding the trap they have left.
"Why, Lord, do you stand far off?
    Why do you hide yourself in times of trouble?
2 In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak,
    who are caught in the schemes he devises.
3 He boasts about the cravings of his heart;  ("organization"
    he blesses the greedy and reviles the Lord.
4 In his pride the wicked man does not seek him;
    in all his thoughts there is no room for God. (How can there be, when an organization is exalted? Isa 46:5)
5 His ways are always prosperous;
    your laws are rejected by him;
    he sneers at all his enemies.
6 He says to himself, “Nothing will ever shake me.”
    He swears, “No one will ever do me harm.”
7 His mouth is full of lies and threats;
    trouble and evil are under his tongue.
8 He lies in wait near the villages;
    from ambush he murders the innocent.
His eyes watch in secret for his victims;
9     like a lion in cover he lies in wait.
He lies in wait to catch the helpless;
    he catches the helpless and drags them off in his net.
10 His victims are crushed, they collapse;
    they fall under his strength.  (Dan 8:13; 11:31; Matt 24:15,16; Mark 13:14; 2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev 11:1,2)
11 He says to himself, “God will never notice;
    he covers his face and never sees.”
12 Arise, Lord! Lift up your hand, O God.
    Do not forget the helpless.
13 Why does the wicked man revile God?
    Why does he say to himself,
    “He won’t call me to account”?
14 But you, God, see the trouble of the afflicted;
    you consider their grief and take it in hand.
The victims commit themselves to you;
    you are the helper of the fatherless.
15 Break the arm of the wicked man;
    call the evildoer to account for his wickedness
    that would not otherwise be found out.
16 The Lord is King for ever and ever;
    the nations will perish from his land.
17 You, Lord, hear the desire of the afflicted;
    you encourage them, and you listen to their cry,
18 defending the fatherless and the oppressed,
    so that mere earthly mortals
    will never again strike terror."  Ps 10
I found this to be a good audio reading - https://www.biblegateway.com/audio/suchet/nivuk/Ps.10
 
How is the Kingdom Like Fish Caught in a Net?
 
 

You are in good company.
22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23

I found this quote from a Wt. when researching,
"Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones!  w15 3/15 p. 8-9
One set of scriptures apparently prove that these false prophets are the faithful and discreet slave.  How thrilling!
 
 “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.  Mal 3:13-18

JWs have this habit of using David and his grave sin, as an example to excuse their leadership’s sins.  With David though, we have his documented expressions of great remorse spoken to God.  We have no expressions of remorse from any Wt. leader, only their examples of either hiding their sins, or making excuses for them.  I find it ironic that past articles in the Wt. will tell the story of a murderer being “saved” by the organization and he is received with open arms into the congregation. Wouldn't this past murderer be the example of repentance and not the example of sin?
Not so, with David.  He is usually shown up for his sins and never for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.  Likewise, the organization keeps a record of sin on all members, yet God in his mercy will forget our sins – only if we come to him in sincere repentance. 
Sinning against the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, has been committed by the organization since Rutherford, possibly before. (Matt 12:31) Ray Franz spoke truth, but he was disfellowshipped – considered dead in the eyes of God. (Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:20) This has happened throughout  Wt’s history to anointed ones who had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts.  Spiritual blood is on the hands of Wt’’s leadership. (Matt 23:33-36; Rev 17:3-6) Jesus spoke truth and he was killed for it, and they said he had a demon. I have been accused of the same thing here. (Matt 10:25)   It is a twisted concept that the leadership is righteous while unrepentant for their sins, yet any anointed priest who stands for truth and exposes lies, is the unrighteous one.  (Mark 3:28-30)
No, God does not consider the sins of a priest (if Russel was anointed) as forgotten, if he is never repentant before God and apologetic for the damage he has done to those whom he has taught.
No matter how much of what appears to be truth that he may have produced, he is still a bad “tree”.  (Matt 7:15-20)
 
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html

I found this quote from a Wt. when researching,
"Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones!  w15 3/15 p. 8-9
One set of scriptures apparently prove that these false prophets are the faithful and discreet slave.  How thrilling!
 
 “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.  Mal 3:13-18

JWs have this habit of using David and his grave sin, as an example to excuse their leadership’s sins.  With David though, we have his documented expressions of great remorse spoken to God.  We have no expressions of remorse from any Wt. leader, only their examples of either hiding their sins, or making excuses for them.  I find it ironic that past articles in the Wt. will tell the story of a murderer being “saved” by the organization and he is received with open arms into the congregation. Wouldn't this past murderer be the example of repentance and not the example of sin?
Not so, with David.  He is usually shown up for his sins and never for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.  Likewise, the organization keeps a record of sin on all members, yet God in his mercy will forget our sins – only if we come to him in sincere repentance. 
Sinning against the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, has been committed by the organization since Rutherford, possibly before. (Matt 12:31) Ray Franz spoke truth, but he was disfellowshipped – considered dead in the eyes of God. (Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:20) This has happened throughout  Wt’s history to anointed ones who had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts.  Spiritual blood is on the hands of Wt’’s leadership. (Matt 23:33-36; Rev 17:3-6) Jesus spoke truth and he was killed for it, and they said he had a demon. I have been accused of the same thing here. (Matt 10:25)   It is a twisted concept that the leadership is righteous while unrepentant for their sins, yet any anointed priest who stands for truth and exposes lies, is the unrighteous one.  (Mark 3:28-30)
No, God does not consider the sins of a priest (if Russel was anointed) as forgotten, if he is never repentant before God and apologetic for the damage he has done to those whom he has taught.
No matter how much of what appears to be truth that he may have produced, he is still a bad “tree”.  (Matt 7:15-20)
 
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html

I found this quote from a Wt. when researching,
"Third, consider some of our recent refinements in understanding. For example, our clarified understanding of “the faithful and discreet slave,” published in the July 15, 2013, Watchtower, thrilled us. (Matt 24:45-47) It was explained that the faithful slave is the Governing Body, while the “domestics” are all those who are fed spiritually, whether of the anointed or of the “other sheep.” (John 10:16) What a delight it is to learn such truths and to teach them to new ones!  w15 3/15 p. 8-9
One set of scriptures apparently prove that these false prophets are the faithful and discreet slave.  How thrilling!
 
 “You have spoken arrogantly against me,” says the Lord.
“Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’
14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What do we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? 15 But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly evildoers prosper, and even when they put God to the test, they get away with it.’”
Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.
17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.  Mal 3:13-18

JWs have this habit of using David and his grave sin, as an example to excuse their leadership’s sins.  With David though, we have his documented expressions of great remorse spoken to God.  We have no expressions of remorse from any Wt. leader, only their examples of either hiding their sins, or making excuses for them.  I find it ironic that past articles in the Wt. will tell the story of a murderer being “saved” by the organization and he is received with open arms into the congregation. Wouldn't this past murderer be the example of repentance and not the example of sin?
Not so, with David.  He is usually shown up for his sins and never for his extensive documented request to God for repentance.  Likewise, the organization keeps a record of sin on all members, yet God in his mercy will forget our sins – only if we come to him in sincere repentance. 
Sinning against the Holy Spirit, the unforgiveable sin, has been committed by the organization since Rutherford, possibly before. (Matt 12:31) Ray Franz spoke truth, but he was disfellowshipped – considered dead in the eyes of God. (Luke 12:11,12; Matt 10:20) This has happened throughout  Wt’s history to anointed ones who had the Holy Spirit poured into their hearts.  Spiritual blood is on the hands of Wt’’s leadership. (Matt 23:33-36; Rev 17:3-6) Jesus spoke truth and he was killed for it, and they said he had a demon. I have been accused of the same thing here. (Matt 10:25)   It is a twisted concept that the leadership is righteous while unrepentant for their sins, yet any anointed priest who stands for truth and exposes lies, is the unrighteous one.  (Mark 3:28-30)
No, God does not consider the sins of a priest (if Russel was anointed) as forgotten, if he is never repentant before God and apologetic for the damage he has done to those whom he has taught.
No matter how much of what appears to be truth that he may have produced, he is still a bad “tree”.  (Matt 7:15-20)
 
 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-is-worst-sin-wt-has-done.html

Spiritual drunkenness, on the "harlot's" wine.  Luke 12:45,46; Isa 28:1-4,7,8,14; Jer 5:31; Micah 2:11; Hos 7:5; Rev 17:2; 14:8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+12%3A45%2C46%3B+Isa+28%3A1-4%2C7%2C8%2C14%3B+Jer+5%3A31%3B+Micah+2%3A11%3B+Hos+7%3A5%3B+Rev+17%3A2%3B+14%3A8&version=NKJV

It wasn't me that did the blaming of their own people. Hypocrits 
I'll just place this here again. 
 
It must take a very dull or almost dead conscience to remain a JW. 

Yes indeed. Didn't the Leaders of the Watchtower BLAME the CONGREGANTS  for 'getting it wrong about 1975' 

That is so funny considering the topic you've made here and the length of your first comment. 
You seem concerned about people's attitudes and about people 'grumbling'. 
I'm more concerned about the way JWs bring shame on God and Christ. 
 

How to use lawyers in court, seems to be their expertise - that and the basic elements of running an earthly organization.  But that is the irony, isn’t it?  Men who have failed to interpret the spiritual meaning of God's word over and over again, are telling JWs that they will teach the pillars of faith from the past.  And that there is no doubt that the leaders will be in a literal heavenly office (using their knowledge of running a corporation on earth) when their Armageddon breaks out.  They, will be exalted over all.  But, about these uninspired men, the leadership said in 1959, An accurate knowledge of the future cannot be gained from such people.”  Wt 1959/7/1 pg 389-390
How then, will they be able to teach those who were “inspired”?  Isa 28:7-10   https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+28%3A7-10&version=LEB